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Faricar
Caldari Infinite Innovations Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:17:00 -
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There are some serious problems with the drake and its powergrid.
I fitted the highs with 7x Heavy Assault Missile Launchers and i had to fit 1x RCU just to fit them... It is impossible to have an effective passive tank because you need all the low slots for RCUs this causes you, 1) not able to put flux coils or shield power relays on. (low recharge rate which is needed for passive tanking) 2) can't put any Shield Extenders on. (lower shield also leading to lower recharge rate).
All these things make a passive tank on the Drake unworkable.
Discuss.
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Faricar
Caldari Infinite Innovations Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:17:00 -
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There are some serious problems with the drake and its powergrid.
I fitted the highs with 7x Heavy Assault Missile Launchers and i had to fit 1x RCU just to fit them... It is impossible to have an effective passive tank because you need all the low slots for RCUs this causes you, 1) not able to put flux coils or shield power relays on. (low recharge rate which is needed for passive tanking) 2) can't put any Shield Extenders on. (lower shield also leading to lower recharge rate).
All these things make a passive tank on the Drake unworkable.
Discuss.
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Zosimos Sabina
Amarr Loot
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:18:00 -
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Top tier guns usually require a fitting mod. If you increase PG on Drake you boost it's active tank even more.
Try a passive setting with Assault launchers.
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Zosimos Sabina
Amarr Loot
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:18:00 -
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Top tier guns usually require a fitting mod. If you increase PG on Drake you boost it's active tank even more.
Try a passive setting with Assault launchers.
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Faricar
Caldari Infinite Innovations Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:20:00 -
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A passive tank in unworkable because the low slots are taken up with RCUs
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:20:00 -
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Unless they have nerfed the drake PG since yesterday, it is fine. With my skills I fit 7x heavy assault and 3x large II extenders perfectly fine.
Admittedly when all was said and done I just left a hislot empty, didn't feel the need for a small nos, but it was still a perfectly fine build.
You might want to look at your engineering, advanced weapon upgrades and shield upgrades levels before trying to get the "most" out of this ship.
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MellaRinn
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: MellaRinn on 27/10/2006 15:20:49 Drake is not Ferox on steroids for half-minute lv3q18 misison running, kthx... :/
Perhaps it pwns the ferox in PvP like every other BC, tho? :)
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:20:00 -
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electronics 5, Engineering 5, Weapon upgrades 5 and advanced weapon upgrades trained to 3-4?
Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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Faricar
Caldari Infinite Innovations Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:20:00 -
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A passive tank in unworkable because the low slots are taken up with RCUs
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:20:00 -
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Unless they have nerfed the drake PG since yesterday, it is fine. With my skills I fit 7x heavy assault and 3x large II extenders perfectly fine.
Admittedly when all was said and done I just left a hislot empty, didn't feel the need for a small nos, but it was still a perfectly fine build.
You might want to look at your engineering, advanced weapon upgrades and shield upgrades levels before trying to get the "most" out of this ship.
In Corporate Caldari, taxes pay YOU. |
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MellaRinn
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: MellaRinn on 27/10/2006 15:20:49 Drake is not Ferox on steroids for half-minute lv3q18 misison running, kthx... :/
Perhaps it pwns the ferox in PvP like every other BC, tho? :)
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:20:00 -
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electronics 5, Engineering 5, Weapon upgrades 5 and advanced weapon upgrades trained to 3-4?
Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:21:00 -
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http://phaze9.moonmanstudio.com/evepics/kali/drake1invuln.png
That worked well with two large t2 extenders on, 1 invuln and 3 specifics. The BCUs can come off for shield relays etc. It was fully sustainable.
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Faricar There are some serious problems with the drake and its powergrid.
I fitted the highs with 7x Heavy Assault Missile Launchers and i had to fit 1x RCU just to fit them... It is impossible to have an effective passive tank because you need all the low slots for RCUs this causes you, 1) not able to put flux coils or shield power relays on. (low recharge rate which is needed for passive tanking) 2) can't put any Shield Extenders on. (lower shield also leading to lower recharge rate).
All these things make a passive tank on the Drake unworkable.
Discuss.
uhm... no
the drake is powerfull as it is now. -------
Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Arknen
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:21:00 -
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I managed to fit 7 HALs with 2 T2 large extenders for a shield of over 18k as well as an EM and thermal passive hardeners with some other bits in with no problems. I had damage mods and PDSs in lows.
What skills do you have?
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:21:00 -
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http://phaze9.moonmanstudio.com/evepics/kali/drake1invuln.png
That worked well with two large t2 extenders on, 1 invuln and 3 specifics. The BCUs can come off for shield relays etc. It was fully sustainable.
I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue. |
Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Faricar There are some serious problems with the drake and its powergrid.
I fitted the highs with 7x Heavy Assault Missile Launchers and i had to fit 1x RCU just to fit them... It is impossible to have an effective passive tank because you need all the low slots for RCUs this causes you, 1) not able to put flux coils or shield power relays on. (low recharge rate which is needed for passive tanking) 2) can't put any Shield Extenders on. (lower shield also leading to lower recharge rate).
All these things make a passive tank on the Drake unworkable.
Discuss.
uhm... no
the drake is powerfull as it is now. -------
Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Arknen
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:21:00 -
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I managed to fit 7 HALs with 2 T2 large extenders for a shield of over 18k as well as an EM and thermal passive hardeners with some other bits in with no problems. I had damage mods and PDSs in lows.
What skills do you have?
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MellaRinn
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: MellaRinn on 27/10/2006 15:23:39
Originally by: Arknen I managed to fit 7 HALs with 2 T2 large extenders for a shield of over 18k as well as an EM and thermal passive hardeners with some other bits in with no problems. I had damage mods and PDSs in lows.
What skills do you have?
It's irrelevant what skills he hass if he wants to fit full HAL or HML in his, 8th slot, and still fill lows with SPRs rather than anything else, liek teh Ferox build that runs lv3s in a blink of an eye with full room aggros :P
Originally by: Faricar
Originally by: AKULA UrQuan electronics 5, Engineering 5, Weapon upgrades 5 and advanced weapon upgrades trained to 3-4?
No they aren't but still noobs like me are still meant to be able to fit something to the ship lol... (I have 4,4,4,0 respectively) so very close...
Erm... No... as you mentioned "noobs" (skillwise) are NOT supposed to fit BEST setups on ships, cause what would you have lv5s for????
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MellaRinn
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: MellaRinn on 27/10/2006 15:23:39
Originally by: Arknen I managed to fit 7 HALs with 2 T2 large extenders for a shield of over 18k as well as an EM and thermal passive hardeners with some other bits in with no problems. I had damage mods and PDSs in lows.
What skills do you have?
It's irrelevant what skills he hass if he wants to fit full HAL or HML in his, 8th slot, and still fill lows with SPRs rather than anything else, liek teh Ferox build that runs lv3s in a blink of an eye with full room aggros :P
Originally by: Faricar
Originally by: AKULA UrQuan electronics 5, Engineering 5, Weapon upgrades 5 and advanced weapon upgrades trained to 3-4?
No they aren't but still noobs like me are still meant to be able to fit something to the ship lol... (I have 4,4,4,0 respectively) so very close...
Erm... No... as you mentioned "noobs" (skillwise) are NOT supposed to fit BEST setups on ships, cause what would you have lv5s for????
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Faricar
Caldari Infinite Innovations Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan electronics 5, Engineering 5, Weapon upgrades 5 and advanced weapon upgrades trained to 3-4?
No they aren't but still noobs like me are still meant to be able to fit something to the ship lol... (I have 4,4,4,0 respectively) so very close...
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Faricar
Caldari Infinite Innovations Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan electronics 5, Engineering 5, Weapon upgrades 5 and advanced weapon upgrades trained to 3-4?
No they aren't but still noobs like me are still meant to be able to fit something to the ship lol... (I have 4,4,4,0 respectively) so very close...
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Blind Man
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Faricar There are some serious problems with the drake and its powergrid.
I fitted the highs with 7x Heavy Assault Missile Launchers and i had to fit 1x RCU just to fit them... It is impossible to have an effective passive tank because you need all the low slots for RCUs this causes you, 1) not able to put flux coils or shield power relays on. (low recharge rate which is needed for passive tanking) 2) can't put any Shield Extenders on. (lower shield also leading to lower recharge rate).
All these things make a passive tank on the Drake unworkable.
Discuss.
uhm... no
the drake is powerfull as it is now.
yep, i could fit 6 arb heavy assaults and 3 large shield extenders without fitting mods.
It's great flying Amarr, ain't it? |
Blind Man
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Faricar There are some serious problems with the drake and its powergrid.
I fitted the highs with 7x Heavy Assault Missile Launchers and i had to fit 1x RCU just to fit them... It is impossible to have an effective passive tank because you need all the low slots for RCUs this causes you, 1) not able to put flux coils or shield power relays on. (low recharge rate which is needed for passive tanking) 2) can't put any Shield Extenders on. (lower shield also leading to lower recharge rate).
All these things make a passive tank on the Drake unworkable.
Discuss.
uhm... no
the drake is powerfull as it is now.
yep, i could fit 6 arb heavy assaults and 3 large shield extenders without fitting mods.
It's great flying Amarr, ain't it? |
Arknen
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: MellaRinn Edited by: MellaRinn on 27/10/2006 15:23:39 It's irrelevant what skills he hass if he wants to fit full HAL or HML in his, 8th slot, and still fill lows with SPRs rather than anything else, liek teh Ferox build that runs lv3s in a blink of an eye with full room aggros :P
I don't think that was what he was asking. It looked like he was just having some basic fitting problems for basic stuff like the 7 HALs you would expect to be able to fit and a shield extender. In this event the skills he has would really help him fit it as I and others have shown it is entirely possible.
Faricar, I'd suggest getting the skills Akula mentioned up to 5 to get the most from the Drake or lower your expectations on what you can fit in it for a bit. 6 HALs would reduce the load and allow you to fit your passive tank for now.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:38:00 -
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If he sticks with the old Heavy launchers the passive tank should work fine. Course, I enjoy active tanks a bit more and the drake's larger cap allows for a rather nice active tank.
Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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Pottsey
Gallente Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:43:00 -
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"A passive tank in unworkable because the low slots are taken up with RCUs" Can you not use PDS for both PG and a passive tank boost? Also never use flux modules they are bad, very bad.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Paigan
Amarr Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.27 15:45:00 -
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Drake is good as it is, even better then expected. Maybe even too good (I'm saying this as someone who mostly flies Caldari ships and put much hope in this ship).
You can easily fit a superb passive tank with 7x Heavy Missile Launcher.
If you want to make it a short range pwn mobile, you'll just have to sacrifice some tank, just like other have to as well. -- This game is still in beta stage |
Deathdealerdoc
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Posted - 2006.10.27 17:19:00 -
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Don't forget you can use rigs when fitting it, I put in a rof and power grid rig helped a ton.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.27 17:34:00 -
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Please continue this discussion in the Tier 2 BC Sticky
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