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Anny Jackson
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.12 12:58:24 -
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Yeah, after the nerf T3 destroyers will cost like 65-70kk, which is still a little bit more than assault frigs and way less than pirate frigs (especially considering insuranse). And t3 destrtoyers will still be much better than any frig. So CCP will have to nerf them again, untill they become a little bit better than assaults, a little more expensive, and another ships nobody cares about.
Right now T3 destroyers are unique, because you can have a small scale pvp in nano-era style with them. You can actually play hit&run warfare with them, trying outmaneuver all those blobs with zillion logists. And I agree to pay sunstentially more for my favorite pvp style than 60-70kk. Make them cost like HACs, so they will become ships for a few. But don't nerf their stats, because the game is way too boring without such ships. |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
239
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Posted - 2015.04.12 13:32:30 -
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Anny Jackson wrote:Yeah, after the nerf T3 destroyers will cost like 65-70kk
[citation needed]
Build costs for each went up by around 12mil, so the current price of 44-45 mil reflects that already, and will likely settle here.
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Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1510
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Posted - 2015.04.12 15:49:52 -
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They are broken as **** and completely killed the healthy frigate meta in low and nullsec. Having a ship with a 40m sig go 6km/s with 23k EHP and be unscrammable is beyond imbalanced.
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God's Apples
Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep
591
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Posted - 2015.04.12 17:16:21 -
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It's a good thing they don't put you in charge of game balance...
"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
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Ryder 'ook
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
147
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Posted - 2015.04.12 19:57:56 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:They are broken as **** and completely killed the healthy frigate meta in low and nullsec. Having a ship with a 40m sig go 6km/s with 23k EHP and be unscrammable is beyond imbalanced.
Exaggeration doesn't help your argument, it just makes you look butthurt.
Those tears are delicious.
Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.
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Dato Koppla
Konvict Cartel The Asylum.
783
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Posted - 2015.04.12 20:37:21 -
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Anny Jackson wrote:Yeah, after the nerf T3 destroyers will cost like 65-70kk, which is still a little bit more than assault frigs and way less than pirate frigs (especially considering insuranse). And t3 destrtoyers will still be much better than any frig. So CCP will have to nerf them again, untill they become a little bit better than assaults, a little more expensive, and another ships nobody cares about.
Right now T3 destroyers are unique, because you can have a small scale pvp in nano-era style with them. You can actually play hit&run warfare with them, trying outmaneuver all those blobs with zillion logists. And I agree to pay sunstentially more for my favorite pvp style than 60-70kk. Make them cost like HACs, so they will become ships for a few. But don't nerf their stats, because the game is way too boring without such ships.
I totally agree with you. In fact, my favourite 'style' of gameplay is winning all the time. So I think we should increase the price to 10 bil and buff them to have a module that can instant kill any sub capital ship once every 10 minutes (like a mini doomsday). Also cloaky, interdiction nullified, 500k EHP and cannot be pointed.
Ryder 'ook wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:They are broken as **** and completely killed the healthy frigate meta in low and nullsec. Having a ship with a 40m sig go 6km/s with 23k EHP and be unscrammable is beyond imbalanced. Exaggeration doesn't help your argument, it just makes you look butthurt. Those tears are delicious.
It's not exaggeration, with links you can achieve those numbers easily although you'd need to go into defense mode to get the EHP which you can easily do once you've caught your target. |
Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4345
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Posted - 2015.04.13 00:44:55 -
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Anny Jackson wrote:But don't nerf their stats, because the game is way too boring without such ships. Nerf them again you say?!
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
567
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Posted - 2015.04.13 00:55:12 -
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The correct way to nerf t3 destroyers is to delete them.
There are all our dominion
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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
77
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Posted - 2015.04.13 13:59:04 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:The correct way to nerf t3 destroyers is to blow them up.
FTFY
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Mira Chieve
Star Kingdom of Manticore
0
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Posted - 2015.04.13 18:51:01 -
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Never had a problem with them, I can solo kill them in a damn Moa pretty easily.
But then again that is in null, so no fancy pods and stuff. |
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Nalia White
Tencus
102
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Posted - 2015.04.15 16:17:23 -
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all they need is not to be able to fit a 10mn afterburner and they die easely to a cruiser.
btw a rapier will tear them a new one even now. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
93
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Posted - 2015.04.15 17:13:42 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:The correct way to nerf t3 destroyers is to delete them.
lol yep. T3 cruiser out tanking and out damaging cruisers now.
Nalia White wrote:all they need is not to be able to fit a 10mn afterburner and they die easely to a cruiser.
btw a rapier will tear them a new one even now.
Last time I attacked one, I was doing 32 damage per volley compared to base volley of 1200.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
739
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Posted - 2015.04.16 22:05:15 -
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I hate everything about t3 dessies.
Concept of a ship that can change modes in space is awesome.... apart from the fact this is EVE not a game of gundum. Balancing this was always going to be a fools errand of iteration after iteration.
They completely wrecked the meta for small ships. Delete them now or just do a battlecruiser style balance pass on them. |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
269
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Posted - 2015.04.16 22:26:31 -
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Flat out removing them is better then balancing them, they add absolutely nothing to the game. All past ship additions did something unique and had a newish niche, you had super ganky bcs, the ultimate nano ships (mordus) and so on, t3ds are simply way bettter destroyers survialwise, they dont do more dps or do anything else unique (the mode change is just rp in reality).
The meta would be better if they were not in it flat out. **** ship class. |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
578
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:57:24 -
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They could do with some bigger trade-offs and more limitations on mode-flipping.
But I don't think they're as broken as they're being made out to be. |
Eanok
POS Party Low-Class
15
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Posted - 2015.04.17 21:04:54 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:They are broken as **** and completely killed the healthy frigate meta in low and nullsec. Having a ship with a 40m sig go 6km/s with 23k EHP and be unscrammable is beyond imbalanced.
Kiting Tristian can kill a 10mn svipul. Start flying Tristans, lol |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
269
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Posted - 2015.04.17 21:18:22 -
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No they cant, svipul can tank them forever (or at least long enough to kill off all its drones, rendering its dps 0) |
Eanok
POS Party Low-Class
15
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Posted - 2015.04.18 00:09:17 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:No they cant, svipul can tank them forever (or at least long enough to kill off all its drones, rendering its dps 0)
Negative, Tristan with a TD owns face against a 10mn fit Slippery Nipple Svipul. You not land a single blow on the drones. I dont think you can self rep with any 10mn fit. Soooooooo....... Svipul dies
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Paranoid Loyd
4784
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Posted - 2015.04.18 00:13:42 -
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It's funny that you have no Svipul kills with a Tristan but you lost your TD Tristan to one.
How long does it take to kill a Svipul with no Nuets and 80 DPS?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Eanok
POS Party Low-Class
15
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Posted - 2015.04.18 00:14:30 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:It's funny that you have no Svipul kills with a Tristan but you lost your TD Tristan to one.
Indeed I did. he was MWD fit with light missiles. I'm not gonna splode a corpies Svipul |
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Eanok
POS Party Low-Class
15
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Posted - 2015.04.18 00:17:25 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:How long does it take to kill a Svipul with no Nuets and 80 DPS?
About 4 min..
Tell ya what, and this is no BS. If you (anybody, not you in particular) are an excellent kiting pilot, fit my exact Tristan and fight someone with a 10mn Svipul. They cant come around fast enough to rubberband into scram range. Even if they do, theyre most likely gonna move right outa range and lose any web or scram.
If you're a good kiter you beat the Svipul all day erry day |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
269
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Posted - 2015.04.18 00:44:21 -
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You can easily kill drones, even with multiple tds on you, they orbit it such a fashion that you can lower transversal to 0, meaning you can always hit them, and since you have access to barrage you can hit them even when range tded, not to mention that you can tank the tristan till downtime by passive recharge alone.
Not to mention the fact that the svipul can heat its ab and approach, due to its heat bonus it can heat for way longer meaning its actually faster then the tristan overall (cause the svipul can heat its propmods for 8min, tristant can do so for 1 min). |
abrasive soap
State Protectorate Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.04.20 18:16:25 -
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I soloed a confessor with an algos last week (seemed he had a pretty standard fit and he nearly killed my ship)
The confessor is not that op, but the svipul is a different story |
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