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 CCP Falcon 11186     |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:48:12 -
[1] - Quote We are aware of a large player drop that occured today at around 16:35. Tranquility and all associated services are operating fine, so we're currently looking at the cause of this player drop. If there's anything else to update with, it'll happen in this thread. - F CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
 Iam The Flash S.O.E Brotherhood 6 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:51:15 -
[2] - Quote Yeh u gonna tell us all is fine again falcon clearly it's not, 4th day in a row but yeh all is fine no? |
 Cubey James Smacktards 0 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:51:19 -
[3] - Quote Thanks for the update. |
 Jenshae Chiroptera 1278 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:52:04 -
[4] - Quote Please paste a tracert with your home IP address removed and the nation you are residing in. Thank you. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
 5v3N State Protectorate Caldari State 0 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:52:19 -
[5] - Quote All fine and log shows nothing, yet the player numbers drop and drop |
 ISquishWorms 255 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:52:41 -
[6] - Quote Do not care if TQ is fine if I am unable to connect and play without getting disconnected what is the point? This is been happening a number of days now sometimes multiple times a day. Please fix it. GÇÿNo, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhhGÇÖ. |
 Wombat Ribeye Vombatus Ursinus 1 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:52:52 -
[7] - Quote ccplease |
 SecretService Secret Services 0 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:53:34 -
[8] - Quote All is fine? This is unbearable for the last days. We can't do anything... disconnecting while vulnerable is no fun! |
 Lina Sovereign Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis 2 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:53:59 -
[9] - Quote This week was very bad indeed. |
 OverlordY Interspan 6 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:54:07 -
[10] - Quote http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility dropped to 0 apparently. |
 Shell Seeker Holy Security Homeguard Intelligence Team 0 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:56:33 -
[11] - Quote OverlordY wrote: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility dropped to 0 apparently. No, I was not kicked out. Others from germany were hit though. |
 Ivarr Kerensky Kerensky Tactical Group 13 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 16:59:37 -
[12] - Quote Lots of (future) ignorant replies in this thread. Let me explain it for the somewhat slower people: What Falcon meant is that TQ hardware and internal routing works just fine and that, thus, the issue is something external. Meaning it's a) not their fault and b) not within their grasp to immediately troubleshoot or mend. Now, take your uninformed entitlement somewhere else. Thanks. Excellence is an attitude. |
 Eria Quint Republic University Minmatar Republic 1 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:00:06 -
[13] - Quote Some friends from Belgium were also kicked out, although not everybody. |
 Garmyne Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 13 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:01:56 -
[14] - Quote If all is fine Falcon, then why can't I stay connected for more than an hour? |
 wagg NewRingsOrion Northern Associates. 0 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:02:45 -
[15] - Quote Relax guys. It's just a game. Drink a cup of tea :) |
 Lion Arthie Dedonic Blue 1 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:03:11 -
[16] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: We are aware of a large player drop that occured today at around 16:35. Tranquility and all associated services are operating fine, so we're currently looking at the cause of this player drop. If there's anything else to update with, it'll happen in this thread. - F According to your post yesterday: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=418170 , wasn't this issue 'resolved externally' already? |
Iam The Flash S.O.E Brotherhood 7 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:03:43 -
[17] - Quote How is it not their fault? Nothing else stopped working for me. Three server conenctions to work stayed up, 2 x FTP clients working fine, teamspeak working fine, skype working fine. No issue with youtube or ctrlaltdel online either. Yeh three eve accounts shut down n refuse to connect And it's not their fault? lol much m8 |
 Luna Deos GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:04:33 -
[18] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: Yeh u gonna tell us all is fine again falcon clearly it's not, 4th day in a row but yeh all is fine no? Doesn't necessarily mean it's CCP that is the issue. Anything on the tier 1 or 2 networks that connects you to Iceland could be involved. Take a look at http://internetpulse.com/ sometime when you're having issues like this. You'll probably find there's an event going on that is neither your fault nor the fault of whoever has a service you're trying to use. |
Ivarr Kerensky Kerensky Tactical Group 17 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:05:38 -
[19] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: How is it not their fault? Nothing else stopped working for me. Three server conenctions to work stayed up, 2 x FTP clients working fine, teamspeak working fine, skype working fine. No issue with youtube or ctrlaltdel online either. Yeh three eve accounts shut down n refuse to connect And it's not their fault? lol much m8 ISP routing, look it up. Excellence is an attitude. |
 EnForceR Zealot Spectraliz IIZ 9 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:07:23 -
[20] - Quote -ñ-¦-¦-+-+-¦-ï-¦ -+-¦-Ç-¦-+-+-¦-+ -¦-+-¦-¦-é-î! -Ñ-Ç-+-ü-é-+-ü -¦-+-ü-¦-Ç-¦-ü! -í -¦-+-æ-+ -¦-+-ü-+-+-+-¦-¦-é-+-¦-+! |
Iam The Flash S.O.E Brotherhood 7 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:07:23 -
[21] - Quote Ivarr Kerensky wrote: Iam The Flash wrote: How is it not their fault? Nothing else stopped working for me. Three server conenctions to work stayed up, 2 x FTP clients working fine, teamspeak working fine, skype working fine. No issue with youtube or ctrlaltdel online either. Yeh three eve accounts shut down n refuse to connect And it's not their fault? lol much m8 ISP routing, look it up. Yes my ISP just decided en-mass with HUNDREDS of other ISP'S to shut down our connections to CCP Gaming. Yeh, tottally. Idiot |
OverlordY Interspan 6 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:11:08 -
[22] - Quote There Eve server is in London. The server itself is fine. But connections TO IT, keep being dropped. Probably a router in the same building / datacentre is faulty. |
Ivarr Kerensky Kerensky Tactical Group 17 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:11:48 -
[23] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: Yes my ISP just decided en-mass with HUNDREDS of other ISP'S to shut down our connections to CCP Gaming. Yeh, tottally. Idiot I'll just quote this for future generations, to laugh at. Perhaps you (and we) should come to realise that you're not really that knowledgeable when it comes to the inner workings of the intertubes. Excellence is an attitude. |
 WhiteFerret Viziam Amarr Empire 0 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:16:09 -
[24] - Quote EnForceR Zealot wrote: -ñ-¦-¦-+-+-¦-ï-¦ -+-¦-Ç-¦-+-+-¦-+ -¦-+-¦-¦-é-î! -Ñ-Ç-+-ü-é-+-ü -¦-+-ü-¦-Ç-¦-ü! -í -¦-+-æ-+ -¦-+-ü-+-+-+-¦-¦-é-+-¦-+! No, please dont invade Iceland, because you cant login in to EVE. |
CCP Falcon 11189 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:16:31 -
[25] - Quote UPDATE - 12/04/2015 - 17:13 After extensive investigation, we've been able to confirm that the connection issues experienced by players over the last few days have been caused by a series of DDoS attacks targeted at Tranquility. Tranquility is perfectly healthy and is running fine, however we're currently working on resolving the situation, and the network issues that the attacks are causing. We apologize for any interruption that the connection issues caused by these incidents are causing to your gameplay. CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
 Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 1 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:16:49 -
[26] - Quote Ivarr Kerensky wrote: Now, take your uninformed entitlement somewhere else. Thanks. People usually feel entitled, when they already paid upfront for something that isn't working. Generally that's because they actually ARE entitled...thats what paying for something does. It gives you a title...usually the title is like "paying customer" and it does come with "entitlements" believe it or not. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1278 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:18:13 -
[27] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: It can be the ISP nearest or near CCPs servers.Yes my ISP just decided en-mass with HUNDREDS of other ISP'S to shut down our connections to CCP Gaming. Yeh, tottally. Idiot Such an obvious failure of basic logic is really pathetic. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Cubey James Smacktards 0 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:19:52 -
[28] - Quote Damn script kiddies. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1278 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 17:21:55 -
[29] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Was it CCP?UPDATE - 12/04/2015 - 17:13 After extensive investigation, we've been able to confirm that the connection issues experienced by players over the last few days have been caused by a series of DDoS attacks targeted at Tranquility. Tranquility is perfectly healthy and is running fine, however we're currently working on resolving the situation, and the network issues that the attacks are causing. We apologize for any interruption that the connection issues caused by these incidents are causing to your gameplay. I remember talk a few years ago when there was a rash of DDoS attacks. One of the gaming companies had made an agreement with other companies that if it happened their client did a series of fall back connections that routed through other companies. Basically a few white listed IP addresses (with a lot of hardware backing them up) that connections were estabilished via and initiated by the client. Distributing and nullifying the attacks. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
 Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5119 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 18:09:50 -
[30] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Iam The Flash wrote: It can be the ISP nearest or near CCPs servers.Yes my ISP just decided en-mass with HUNDREDS of other ISP'S to shut down our connections to CCP Gaming. Yeh, tottally. Idiot Such an obvious failure of basic logic is really pathetic. I think a lot of people don't understand how the internet is actually wired together. (mostly because they don't need to know) For those people, the short (and incorrect, but close enough for government work) version is: You connect to your ISP. Your ISP connects to other isps. Those ISPs connect to the vendor that CCP gets their bandwidth from. That connects to CCP's server. There are often 15+ hops between you and the servers you're talking to (30 is around the maximum that will be supported. ish.) a failure or overuse of any of those (This is what a DDOS does, in addition to overloading servers) leads to you unable to connect. https://www.linx.net/index.html is one of the interchanges between ISPs Woo! CSM X! Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
 Louise Beethoven Hedion University Amarr Empire 134 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 18:42:21 -
[31] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: Ivarr Kerensky wrote: Iam The Flash wrote: How is it not their fault? Nothing else stopped working for me. Three server conenctions to work stayed up, 2 x FTP clients working fine, teamspeak working fine, skype working fine. No issue with youtube or ctrlaltdel online either. Yeh three eve accounts shut down n refuse to connect And it's not their fault? lol much m8 ISP routing, look it up. Yes my ISP just decided en-mass with HUNDREDS of other ISP'S to shut down our connections to CCP Gaming. Yeh, tottally. Idiot   |
 Bj Queeen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 18:55:27 -
[32] - Quote All these tears make me happy. All of you screaming at Falcon and CCP are pretty stupid. Do you guys even know how to Internets? |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1279 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 19:00:42 -
[33] - Quote Bj Queeen wrote: I remember a time where it was a moderately complicated process to log into the nearest university and even a bit later than that when more was linked up and wide spread. People needed some brains or the social skills to convince others to help set them up to log on. Do you guys even know how to Internets? (I even remember programs being printed and needing to type them in as that was more full proof than floppies that were frequently corrupted)  I miss those days when the very act of getting online filtered out so many people.  CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Garmyne Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 13 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 19:14:04 -
[34] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: UPDATE - 12/04/2015 - 17:13 After extensive investigation, we've been able to confirm that the connection issues experienced by players over the last few days have been caused by a series of DDoS attacks targeted at Tranquility. Tranquility is perfectly healthy and is running fine, however we're currently working on resolving the situation, and the network issues that the attacks are causing. We apologize for any interruption that the connection issues caused by these incidents are causing to your gameplay. Steve Ronuken wrote: I think a lot of people don't understand how the internet is actually wired together. (mostly because they don't need to know) For those people, the short (and incorrect, but close enough for government work) version is: You connect to your ISP. Your ISP connects to other isps. Those ISPs connect to the vendor that CCP gets their bandwidth from. That connects to CCP's server. There are often 15+ hops between you and the servers you're talking to (30 is around the maximum that will be supported. ish.) a failure or overuse of any of those (This is what a DDOS does, in addition to overloading servers) leads to you unable to connect. https://www.linx.net/index.html is one of the interchanges between ISPs Thank you both for you answers, the issue is now a lot clearer. Bj Queeen wrote: All these tears make me happy. All of you screaming at Falcon and CCP are pretty stupid. Do you guys even know how to Internets? I have a car, do I now need to be a fully qualified mechanic to operate one? NO! So at the same I don't not need to be an internet nerd to own a computer. All I (we) needed was a non sanctimonious and non patronizing answer to a simple question. |
 Hicksimus Xion Limited Resonance. 582 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 19:23:14 -
[35] - Quote I do understand that not every connection related problem between us and Tranquility is CCP's problem but I also can't stress enough that CCP has a very high rate of connection issues with players as compared to other MMOs or even multiplayer games in general. I think more is at work here than just internet magic and script kiddies. Perhaps the same people that made pos code are responsible for networking. Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1280 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 19:24:32 -
[36] - Quote Garmyne Atavuli wrote: You don't need to be a mechanic but you do have some understanding on how a vehicle is directed down roads using sign posts. I have a car, do I now need to be a fully qualified mechanic to operate one? NO! So at the same I don't not need to be an internet nerd to own a computer. All I (we) needed was a non sanctimonious and non patronizing answer to a simple question. The levels of cluelessness demostrated earlier in this thread are ridiculous. To the point that I feel that there really are people like this. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
 Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1027 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 19:34:40 -
[37] - Quote The internet is like a series of tubes, Quick! put some draino in it! @ChainsawPlankto |
 Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3778 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 19:37:21 -
[38] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: That was quite funny, thanks.To the point that I feel that there really are people like this. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5120 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 19:45:33 -
[39] - Quote Hicksimus wrote: I do understand that not every connection related problem between us and Tranquility is CCP's problem but I also can't stress enough that CCP has a very high rate of connection issues with players as compared to other MMOs or even multiplayer games in general. I think more is at work here than just internet magic and script kiddies. Perhaps the same people that made pos code are responsible for networking. One of the major differences is that to take down the other MMOs, you have to hit multiple endpoints, or it'll only go down in a single area. It's not uncommon to happen, but you hear a lot less about it, as it only affects a couple of thousand people, rather than, say, everyone playing WoW. CCP are pretty good at the mitigation. It tends to be less than an hour, then everything is back. If you look at what happened at Christmas for the XBOne and PS4, you'll see that's actually pretty good. http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/03/05/phil-spencer-addresses-christmas-day-xbox-live-and-psn-ddos-attacks Woo! CSM X! Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
 Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 104 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 20:03:33 -
[40] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: Ivarr Kerensky wrote: Iam The Flash wrote: How is it not their fault? Nothing else stopped working for me. Three server conenctions to work stayed up, 2 x FTP clients working fine, teamspeak working fine, skype working fine. No issue with youtube or ctrlaltdel online either. Yeh three eve accounts shut down n refuse to connect And it's not their fault? lol much m8 ISP routing, look it up. Yes my ISP just decided en-mass with HUNDREDS of other ISP'S to shut down our connections to CCP Gaming. Yeh, tottally. Idiot CCP doesn't like you, unsub please!  Just Add Water |
 Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 328 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 20:19:08 -
[41] - Quote ISquishWorms wrote: Do not care if TQ is fine if I am unable to connect and play without getting disconnected what is the point? This is been happening a number of days now sometimes multiple times a day. Please fix it. How do you fix a ddos attack? EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
 Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1724 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 20:23:50 -
[42] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: So, because of money, adults are entitled to behave like children?Ivarr Kerensky wrote: Now, take your uninformed entitlement somewhere else. Thanks. People usually feel entitled, when they already paid upfront for something that isn't working. Generally that's because they actually ARE entitled...thats what paying for something does. It gives you a title...usually the title is like "paying customer" and it does come with "entitlements" believe it or not. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
 Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 76 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 20:47:25 -
[43] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: ISquishWorms wrote: Do not care if TQ is fine if I am unable to connect and play without getting disconnected what is the point? This is been happening a number of days now sometimes multiple times a day. Please fix it. How do you fix a ddos attack? This will help you: Distributed Denial-of-Service ( DDoS ) EVEBoard ...Just over 20million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull" |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1729 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 21:13:34 -
[44] - Quote Celise Katelo wrote: Lan Wang wrote: ISquishWorms wrote: Do not care if TQ is fine if I am unable to connect and play without getting disconnected what is the point? This is been happening a number of days now sometimes multiple times a day. Please fix it. How do you fix a ddos attack? This will help you: Distributed Denial-of-Service ( DDoS )  This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 328 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 21:21:40 -
[45] - Quote Celise Katelo wrote: Lan Wang wrote: ISquishWorms wrote: Do not care if TQ is fine if I am unable to connect and play without getting disconnected what is the point? This is been happening a number of days now sometimes multiple times a day. Please fix it. How do you fix a ddos attack? This will help you: Distributed Denial-of-Service ( DDoS ) http://www.pcgamer.com/why-are-ddos-attacks-so-hard-to-stop/ TL;DR: Each side will continue to up their game a bit," he said, meaning that more sophisticated security will only lead to more sophisticated attacks. EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
 Dradis Aulmais Jump On Contact Sock Puppet Federation 746 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 21:51:19 -
[46] - Quote Hicksimus wrote: I do understand that not every connection related problem between us and Tranquility is CCP's problem but I also can't stress enough that CCP has a very high rate of connection issues with players as compared to other MMOs or even multiplayer games in general. I think more is at work here than just internet magic and script kiddies. Perhaps the same people that made pos code are responsible for networking. Other mmos are multi shard with their player base spread across multiple server clusters in different areas so a single cluster going down will not effect the entire base. CCP has one massive shard running on a massive server cluster one server going down would effect that. Other mmos can easily roll the effected server to a back up or secondary cluster at another location. WoW can roll a North American server to a different cluster group if one is being attack. T do that with Eve wild be a mountainous challenge and expense of capital. I'm cloaked in your thread, stealing your info. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1729 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 21:55:28 -
[47] - Quote Lan.... please realise both the futility ... ... and the insanity behind this. The greater man does not argue, but realise and accept the unchangeable. This includes accepting that most people aren't "the greater man". There is, of course, insanity behind constantly trying to tell people that they are insane when they constantly try to tell people something these peopl are unwilling or unable to realise and accept ... ... but I try only once per thread and once per person. In the end it's good to try ... ... but when it's obvious that progress is not going to happen ... ... it's insane to try mkre than once. *hugs* This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
ISquishWorms 256 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 21:59:22 -
[48] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: ISquishWorms wrote: Do not care if TQ is fine if I am unable to connect and play without getting disconnected what is the point? This is been happening a number of days now sometimes multiple times a day. Please fix it. How do you fix a ddos attack? At the time of posting this no information had been provided as to the cause. GÇÿNo, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhhGÇÖ. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1729 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 22:01:10 -
[49] - Quote ISquishWorms wrote: Lan Wang wrote: ISquishWorms wrote: Do not care if TQ is fine if I am unable to connect and play without getting disconnected what is the point? This is been happening a number of days now sometimes multiple times a day. Please fix it. How do you fix a ddos attack? At the time of posting this no information had been provided as to the cause. CCP Falcon posted it's a DDoS. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Bj Queeen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 8 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 22:09:00 -
[50] - Quote Garmyne Atavuli wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: UPDATE - 12/04/2015 - 17:13 After extensive investigation, we've been able to confirm that the connection issues experienced by players over the last few days have been caused by a series of DDoS attacks targeted at Tranquility. Tranquility is perfectly healthy and is running fine, however we're currently working on resolving the situation, and the network issues that the attacks are causing. We apologize for any interruption that the connection issues caused by these incidents are causing to your gameplay. Steve Ronuken wrote: I think a lot of people don't understand how the internet is actually wired together. (mostly because they don't need to know) For those people, the short (and incorrect, but close enough for government work) version is: You connect to your ISP. Your ISP connects to other isps. Those ISPs connect to the vendor that CCP gets their bandwidth from. That connects to CCP's server. There are often 15+ hops between you and the servers you're talking to (30 is around the maximum that will be supported. ish.) a failure or overuse of any of those (This is what a DDOS does, in addition to overloading servers) leads to you unable to connect. https://www.linx.net/index.html is one of the interchanges between ISPs Thank you both for your answers, the issue is now a lot clearer. Bj Queeen wrote: All these tears make me happy. All of you screaming at Falcon and CCP are pretty stupid. Do you guys even know how to Internets? I have a car, do I now need to be a fully qualified mechanic to operate one? NO! So at the same I don't not need to be an internet nerd to own a computer. All I (we) needed was a non sanctimonious and non patronizing answer to a simple question. You were given a answer and yet you still had a problem understanding. Should we draw it in crayon for you? I think there should be a minimum IQ level people should reach before they are allowed to access the internet. |
ISquishWorms 256 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 22:11:39 -
[51] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: ISquishWorms wrote: Lan Wang wrote: ISquishWorms wrote: Do not care if TQ is fine if I am unable to connect and play without getting disconnected what is the point? This is been happening a number of days now sometimes multiple times a day. Please fix it. How do you fix a ddos attack? At the time of posting this no information had been provided as to the cause. CCP Falcon posted it's a DDoS. Do I misinterpret you post somehow? He did this is true but not at the time I made that post. So when I made that post I had no idea that it was a DDoS attack. GÇÿNo, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhhGÇÖ. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1738 |
Posted - 2015.04.12 22:18:14 -
[52] - Quote ISquishWorms wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: ISquishWorms wrote: Lan Wang wrote: ISquishWorms wrote: Do not care if TQ is fine if I am unable to connect and play without getting disconnected what is the point? This is been happening a number of days now sometimes multiple times a day. Please fix it. How do you fix a ddos attack? At the time of posting this no information had been provided as to the cause. CCP Falcon posted it's a DDoS. Do I misinterpret you post somehow? He did this is true but not at the time I made that post. So when I made that post I had no idea that it was a DDoS attack. Ah, yes! :) This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1288 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 01:15:32 -
[53] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: There is a link to a document in this thread.Celise Katelo wrote: http://www.pcgamer.com/why-are-ddos-attacks-so-hard-to-stop/Lan Wang wrote: ISquishWorms wrote: How do you fix a ddos attack?Do not care if TQ is fine if I am unable to connect and play without getting disconnected what is the point? This is been happening a number of days now sometimes multiple times a day. Please fix it. This will help you: Distributed Denial-of-Service ( DDoS ) TL;DR: Each side will continue to up their game a bit," he said, meaning that more sophisticated security will only lead to more sophisticated attacks. I also spelled out how companies can co-operate and shed the bot net load. Another example was provided of how they can not attack too many servers at one time, that helps support this. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Garmyne Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 14 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 02:02:33 -
[54] - Quote Bj Queeen wrote: You were given a answer and yet you still had a problem understanding. Should we draw it in crayon for you? I think there should be a minimum IQ level people should reach before they are allowed to access the internet. Post #1 - The original Dev post, where Falcon says "everthing is fine" Post #14 - Where I ask "how come I keep disconnecting" Post #25 - Where Falcon explains "it's due DDoS Attacks" Post #34 - Where I thank Falcon and a CSM member for the explanation. So, as you can see, the ANSWER came AFTER the question! And you talk about IQ? |
 Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 299 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 03:32:46 -
[55] - Quote asf the first ddos attack I have not be able to long on to eve as the launcher no longer fully loads, and as of 1020 0325 4/13 have I been able to log into the forums (most of my attempts have led to "page can not be found" when logging in) my account will expire shortly for the first time since 05. so I will be forced to be on standby for when the servers are in better health. until then farewell "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith |
 snffenix Gila Knights 0 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 08:30:53 -
[56] - Quote You see Falcon, if you leave it so late to tell the truth and instead reassure everyone there's nothing wrong when there is something wrong (and people are getting more and more fed up of constantly getting disconnected, losing ships and cargo when there's officially 'nothing wrong and nothing to see here-move along') we then sound off when you do come clean. Does annoyance sound better on a Monday than Sunday? I'd much rather know the problem is a ddos and have some vestigial sympathy for you all than to know there's something wrong but not be informed and treated as if it's the players who are deluded. Why Sir, we pay the wages of CCP staff through our subscriptions. Not saying we own your butt but you understand our collective frustrations nonetheless. Anyway we've both got things off our chests this morning and I'll have to keep putting up with getting disconnected... |
 ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 4305 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 08:53:55 -
[57] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it. The Rules: 29. Please use the correct language when posting on the forums. The default language for posting on the EVE Online forums is English. Please use English when posting as a courtesy to other forum users, unless the forum channel is specifically created for discussion in another language as part of our localized language specific sub-forums. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) |
 War Kitten Panda McLegion 6011 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 10:52:27 -
[58] - Quote snffenix wrote: You see Falcon, if you leave it so late to tell the truth and instead reassure everyone there's nothing wrong when there is something wrong (and people are getting more and more fed up of constantly getting disconnected, losing ships and cargo when there's officially 'nothing wrong and nothing to see here-move along') we then sound off when you do come clean. Does annoyance sound better on a Monday than Sunday? I'd much rather know the problem is a ddos and have some vestigial sympathy for you all than to know there's something wrong but not be informed and treated as if it's the players who are deluded. Why Sir, we pay the wages of CCP staff through our subscriptions. Not saying we own your butt but you understand our collective frustrations nonetheless. Anyway we've both got things off our chests this morning and I'll have to keep putting up with getting disconnected... Not knowing what the problem is yet, but seeing that tranquility itself is running fine and posting that information, is not lying. Posting that they are still looking into the issue is not reassuring people that there is nothing wrong. Reading comprehension isn't that difficult. Simply put aside your prejudices and read what is written, taking time to look up any difficult words that might confuse. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
 afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1053 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 11:33:06 -
[59] - Quote snffenix wrote: You see Falcon, if you leave it so late to tell the truth and instead reassure everyone there's nothing wrong when there is something wrong (and people are getting more and more fed up of constantly getting disconnected, losing ships and cargo when there's officially 'nothing wrong and nothing to see here-move along') we then sound off when you do come clean. Does annoyance sound better on a Monday than Sunday? I'd much rather know the problem is a ddos and have some vestigial sympathy for you all than to know there's something wrong but not be informed and treated as if it's the players who are deluded. Why Sir, we pay the wages of CCP staff through our subscriptions. Not saying we own your butt but you understand our collective frustrations nonetheless. Anyway we've both got things off our chests this morning and I'll have to keep putting up with getting disconnected... I see you've never been at the sharp end of diagnosing an intermittent IT problem where the only thing each respective area can tell you is "it all looks ok from here at the moment, but we're still checking". Frustration I get, but if you think folks aren't crawling all over this, typically whilst being shouted at by idiot managers who couldnt find their arse from a power button suggesting some ludicrous plan to "fix" it all the while knowing that the problem is a major one...I don't know what to say. |
 Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Gate Camp Theory 1576 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 14:46:17 -
[60] - Quote Is this something happening to EU based Players as well? I have not expirienced any problems (then again I was maybe just not online during the server problems?) TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP |
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1056 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 14:49:11 -
[61] - Quote It happened to me night before last, EU. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 2 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 15:26:07 -
[62] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: So, because of money, adults are entitled to behave like children? Exactly what part of what I said was childish? If you are referring to other people, you do realise many people are actually children that play eve right? Some of them legally, and some just mentally, but the fact remains. If you pay for performance and that contract is not being fulfilled, then you have the right to ask why, when it will be fixed, and what compensation they intend to make for breaching the contract. For some people, a simple "we're sorry for the inconvenience" isn't sufficient. If you actually ever held a job, you'd know that when you promise something where money changes hands, you provide it, or you make remedy (like a refund, or a discount, or some other form of restitution). Welcome to contracts and you 101. A consumer (in any field) has the right to demand remedy when a service they paid for isn't met as per the agreement. CCP Falcon just saying "oops sorry, we're working on it" [paraphrased], obviously isn't satisfactory for some people, in fact I'm willing to bet a bit more communication might make people less annoyed and less likely to demand remedy. "Oops we're working on it" [paraphrased] works for about 1 day, then you need to start communicating. As it stands now, there is no indication of how CCP intend to make restitution to those that were affected. |
 Xercodo Xovoni Directorate 4161 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 16:23:26 -
[63] - Quote Garmyne Atavuli wrote: I have a car, do I now need to be a fully qualified mechanic to operate one? NO! So at the same I don't not need to be an internet nerd to own a computer. All I (we) needed was a non sanctimonious and non patronizing answer to a simple question. When most of you claim to be experts because you once fixed a lawn mower, so that you are qualified to call bullshit on the repair bill for an 18-wheeler's engine, your gonna get some patronizing as **** answers. Though in that case what'd probably happen is you'd vow to never go back to such an "expensive mechanic", the mechanic will be happy be rid of you, and then laugh when he hears from friend that you tried to fill your diesel tank with normal gas a month later. The Drake is a Lie |
 Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10702 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 16:31:38 -
[64] - Quote I think the issue was how it took 3 or 4 days to confirm what people were thinking in the 1st place. The whole "TQ is fine" think struck the wrong tone with a lot of us, a better answer would have been "we're investigating but it doesn't seem like a problem on our end, we'll keep you posted". And i'm just speculating here, but sometimes public information people forget that not everyone uses all the same information sources (that happens with my organization as well). What I mean is this: the public information guy is posting on twitter, facebook, other forms of social media, by the time he gets to the forums we have set up he's like "damn it I've explained this 6 times already" and that last notification is...not as polite as the 1st 6. But the guy who just uses the forum just sees a bad message and things "what an a-hole". I mention this because I found the twitter and facebook notifications to be WAY more clear than what ended up on the forum. Thank you CCP for working on a frustrating problem. I got lucky, I was in Incursion sites EVERY time there was a mass disconnect and didn't lose my ship lol. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1295 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 16:36:21 -
[65] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: "Hey you! Yea, you Twin Towers management! How dare you have a building that is a pile of rubble?! I demand to know why you did not plan for this! Eve Solecist wrote: So, because of money, adults are entitled to behave like children? Exactly what part of what I said was childish? If you are referring to other people, you do realise many people are actually children that play eve right? Some of them legally, and some just mentally, but the fact remains. If you pay for performance and that contract is not being fulfilled, then you have the right to ask why, when it will be fixed, and what compensation they intend to make for breaching the contract. For some people, a simple "we're sorry for the inconvenience" isn't sufficient. . You failed to fulfil my rental agreement! I demand compensation right now!" There is a difference between someone dropping the ball and not upgrading some hardware or replacing something faulty and a deliberate attack on infrastructure. Essentially, I think the thing that is annoying is people demanding, making a lot of "noise" and "getting in the way" of those that are trying to work toward a solution. "Who started this fire?!" "Could you get out of the way? We are still trying to put the fire out." CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
 Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1527 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 16:50:49 -
[66] - Quote I'm not sure where all the shock and anger is coming from in this thread. Tranquility has been under constant DDoS attacks ever since the EULA enforcement changes this past winter, and maybe even before then. Mad people are mad. For those ~demanding~ various things of CCP and CCP Falcon: you do realize that life is not a TV show, and it can take more than 5 minutes to figure out what the problem is? And you do realize that you are the guy watching a business owner getting attacked by thugs and shouting at the owner to pay more attention to the PAYING CUSTOMER IN LINE AT HIS REGISTER?!?!?!?!1 It's a disconnect from a game. Stand up from the computer. Stretch. Get a beer. Maybe go outside. It's OK. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X! |
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Gate Camp Theory 1576 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 17:11:00 -
[67] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: So, because of money, adults are entitled to behave like children? Exactly what part of what I said was childish? If you are referring to other people, you do realise many people are actually children that play eve right? Some of them legally, and some just mentally, but the fact remains. If you pay for performance and that contract is not being fulfilled, then you have the right to ask why, when it will be fixed, and what compensation they intend to make for breaching the contract. For some people, a simple "we're sorry for the inconvenience" isn't sufficient. If you actually ever held a job, you'd know that when you promise something where money changes hands, you provide it, or you make remedy (like a refund, or a discount, or some other form of restitution). Welcome to contracts and you 101. A consumer (in any field) has the right to demand remedy when a service they paid for isn't met as per the agreement. CCP Falcon just saying "oops sorry, we're working on it" [paraphrased], obviously isn't satisfactory for some people, in fact I'm willing to bet a bit more communication might make people less annoyed and less likely to demand remedy. "Oops we're working on it" [paraphrased] works for about 1 day, then you need to start communicating. As it stands now, there is no indication of how CCP intend to make restitution to those that were affected. I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MANAGER OF THIS CCPMART RIIIGGHT NAAOWWW! NAAAOOWWW TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP |
Dradis Aulmais Jump On Contact Sock Puppet Federation 757 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 18:10:12 -
[68] - Quote Re read your TOS CCP is not liable for acts out side their control. You wouldn't be able to get a refund if a volcano wiped out CCP Bar Certified General Counsel Attorney at Law Crime and Punishment JAG Gallente Federal Navy Clients Deep Space Mining Corp *Brave Crewmen of the Brave Corporations * Quafe |
 Nalia White Tencus 99 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 18:32:43 -
[69] - Quote Dradis Aulmais wrote: Re read your TOS CCP is not liable for acts out side their control. You wouldn't be able to get a refund if a volcano wiped out CCP or let's say you bought a car and are driving up the mountain when the weather turns bad and makes the road INACCESSABLE. you don't turn to your car mechanic then too :) he will just say: "your car is fine" wow that's acutaly a pretty good analogy with the road as the internet tube... :P |
 Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3294 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 18:36:06 -
[70] - Quote " If you pay for performance and that contract is not being fulfilled, then you have the right to ask why, when it will be fixed, and what compensation they intend to make for breaching the contract." The contract between you and CCP says "Upon establishing a valid Account, and subject to your continued compliance with the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to access the System" and "CCP is not responsible for your access to the Internet" In other words, the contract says you can access their system provided you have insured there is an internet connection between you and the system. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1297 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 18:45:57 -
[71] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Anyone super rich and wants to run a private network directly to CCP within England? In other words, the contract says you can access their system provided you have insured there is an internet connection between you and the system. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
 Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 342 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 18:52:04 -
[72] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: So, because of money, adults are entitled to behave like children?Ivarr Kerensky wrote: Now, take your uninformed entitlement somewhere else. Thanks. People usually feel entitled, when they already paid upfront for something that isn't working. Generally that's because they actually ARE entitled...thats what paying for something does. It gives you a title...usually the title is like "paying customer" and it does come with "entitlements" believe it or not. Yeah, when I go out and order a $100 steak I just smile and laugh when it fails to appear on my table. |
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1529 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 18:58:31 -
[73] - Quote Harrison Tato wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: So, because of money, adults are entitled to behave like children?Ivarr Kerensky wrote: Now, take your uninformed entitlement somewhere else. Thanks. People usually feel entitled, when they already paid upfront for something that isn't working. Generally that's because they actually ARE entitled...thats what paying for something does. It gives you a title...usually the title is like "paying customer" and it does come with "entitlements" believe it or not. Yeah, when I go out and order a $100 steak I just smile and laugh when it fails to appear on my table. You mean, while there are armed robbers holding the restaurant up? You keep forgetting, conveniently, that CCP's game is under external attack. This is not a question of "CCP accidentally the whole server." There's a hostile third party disrupting the path between you and your steak, and it is unreasonable to expect the staff to continue as if nothing was going on. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X! |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1297 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 19:40:24 -
[74] - Quote We have done this to ourselves. Spoon feeding people to get the numbers in our groups higher. *Sigh* CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
 Summerveign Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 19:43:40 -
[75] - Quote Too many fails CCP. It was the last for me. Hope you'll do better. GL & HF |
Garmyne Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 16 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 20:18:14 -
[76] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Garmyne Atavuli wrote: I have a car, do I now need to be a fully qualified mechanic to operate one? NO! So at the same I don't not need to be an internet nerd to own a computer. All I (we) needed was a non sanctimonious and non patronizing answer to a simple question. When most of you claim to be experts because you once fixed a lawn mower, so that you are qualified to call bullshit on the repair bill for an 18-wheeler's engine, your gonna get some patronizing as **** answers. Though in that case what'd probably happen is you'd vow to never go back to such an "expensive mechanic", the mechanic will be happy be rid of you, and then laugh when he hears from friend that you tried to fill your diesel tank with normal gas a month later. Huh? quite what that nonsense had to do with my original post is beyond me. If brains where dynamite...... EDIT.. The FULL quote: Bj Queeen wrote: All these tears make me happy. All of you screaming at Falcon and CCP are pretty stupid. Do you guys even know how to Internets? I have a car, do I now need to be a fully qualified mechanic to operate one? NO! So at the same I don't not need to be an internet nerd to own a computer. All I (we) needed was a non sanctimonious and non patronizing answer to a simple question.[/quote] |
 Johnny Jinks The Minutemen The Bastion 42 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 21:26:06 -
[77] - Quote lol someone done got ganked. probs cause of the sov changes and afk cloakers. |
 xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers 251 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 22:59:32 -
[78] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: How is it not their fault? Nothing else stopped working for me. Three server conenctions to work stayed up, 2 x FTP clients working fine, teamspeak working fine, skype working fine. No issue with youtube or ctrlaltdel online either. Yeh three eve accounts shut down n refuse to connect And it's not their fault? lol much m8 "a series of DDoS attacks targeted at Tranquility. " so which part of this are you having trouble understanding? it didn't target the following. your server in work. your FTP servers. your teamspeak server. your skype server. your ISP. your machine. nor where youtube targeted. Tranquility was the target. |
 DeltaAgent26a 0 |
Posted - 2015.04.13 23:03:38 -
[79] - Quote Random DC's still occurring, two of my allies just dropped, and I am guessing that they ill not be able to log back in any time soon. Fleets are pointless due to random DC's, never know when logi or command ships are going to drop off. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1301 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 00:50:04 -
[80] - Quote DeltaAgent26a wrote: Maverick would be so disappointed in you. never know when logi or command ships are going to drop off. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
 Glathull Warlock Assassins 1015 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 03:35:35 -
[81] - Quote DeltaAgent26a wrote: Random DC's still occurring, two of my allies just dropped, and I am guessing that they ill not be able to log back in any time soon. Fleets are pointless due to random DC's, never know when logi or command ships are going to drop off. Le sigh. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon |
 Don Purple Snuggle Society. 1168 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 05:26:52 -
[82] - Quote my entire fleet dc'd leaving me alone on a dickstar, good time :D Enjoy the game kiddos. Thankyou ccp for your hard work. I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 07:48:36 -
[83] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: The contract between you and CCP says "Upon establishing a valid Account, and subject to your continued compliance with the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to access the System" and "CCP is not responsible for your access to the Internet" In other words, the contract says you can access their system provided you have insured there is an internet connection between you and the system. It also states, that my plex or cash subscription, is valid for 30 days. Let me just ask the question from CCP's perspective then. If I fail to pay my subscription because the bank was closed for a few days and I couldn't access my money, or my credit card was faulty or some other fault that is NOT my own, would CCP give me 4 days of free play time? The answer is no, they would unsub my account until I paid for the service as per the contract agreement. Why then is it ok for CCP to not provide the service for the stated period of 30 days? That's a rhetorical question, it's not ok. CCP Can easily grant 4 additional days, or a plex amount equal to 4 days worth based on current plex per dollar prices, or grant other in game assetts that essentially cost them nothing but make restitution for their breach of contract. CCP will ban you the second you don't adhere to their EULA, why do you seem to think the EULA is a one way contract? It is not, and CCP not only can, but need to be held to the same standards they impose on the players. EULA is a Standard form contract Offer - The EULA describes the terms and conditions under which you may (i) use the Software; (ii) subscribe to, access and use EVE Online Consideration - Upon establishing a new Account, you will be entitled to play EVE for a stated period of time (not to exceed thirty (30) days) without paying a subscription fee (the "Trial Period"). If your Account is not terminated in accordance with the procedures set forth below within the stated Trial Period, you will be charged the subscription fees as described during the registration process when you established your Account. (ie exchange cash for a service) Acceptance - Accept EULA, download client, Buy plex, start playing. So, I still see no response from CCP Falcon as to how they intend to make whole those that were unable to access their accounts due to the DDOS attacks. |
 Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 654 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 08:17:12 -
[84] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: The contract between you and CCP says "Upon establishing a valid Account, and subject to your continued compliance with the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to access the System" and "CCP is not responsible for your access to the Internet" In other words, the contract says you can access their system provided you have insured there is an internet connection between you and the system. It also states, that my plex or cash subscription, is valid for 30 days. Let me just ask the question from CCP's perspective then. If I fail to pay my subscription because the bank was closed for a few days and I couldn't access my money, or my credit card was faulty or some other fault that is NOT my own, would CCP give me 4 days of free play time? The answer is no, they would unsub my account until I paid for the service as per the contract agreement. Why then is it ok for CCP to not provide the service for the stated period of 30 days? That's a rhetorical question, it's not ok. CCP Can easily grant 4 additional days, or a plex amount equal to 4 days worth based on current plex per dollar prices, or grant other in game assetts that essentially cost them nothing but make restitution for their breach of contract. CCP will ban you the second you don't adhere to their EULA, why do you seem to think the EULA is a one way contract? It is not, and CCP not only can, but need to be held to the same standards they impose on the players. EULA is a Standard form contract Offer - The EULA describes the terms and conditions under which you may (i) use the Software; (ii) subscribe to, access and use EVE Online Consideration - Upon establishing a new Account, you will be entitled to play EVE for a stated period of time (not to exceed thirty (30) days) without paying a subscription fee (the "Trial Period"). If your Account is not terminated in accordance with the procedures set forth below within the stated Trial Period, you will be charged the subscription fees as described during the registration process when you established your Account. (ie exchange cash for a service) Acceptance - Accept EULA, download client, Buy plex, start playing. So, I still see no response from CCP Falcon as to how they intend to make whole those that were unable to access their accounts due to the DDOS attacks. Because it's you're responsibility to ensure your connection works, not CCPs. As long as the servers remain open to outside connections then CCP is fulfilling its end of the agreement, connection issues involving things outside their network are none of their concern. Look at it this way, if your connection had worked during the time in question would you have been able to log in and play the game? If the answer is yes, which I know it was because half the playerbase didn't get disconnected, then CCP has fulfilled their obligations and you havent got a leg to stand on. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin you're welcome |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 107 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 08:17:46 -
[85] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: QQ moar! what you failed to realize is that, if CCP starts to give any kind of compensation because of this incident, the script kiddies who are doing this criminal act will be having even more reason to do this, yeah? Just Add Water |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 332 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 08:29:58 -
[86] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: The contract between you and CCP says "Upon establishing a valid Account, and subject to your continued compliance with the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to access the System" and "CCP is not responsible for your access to the Internet" In other words, the contract says you can access their system provided you have insured there is an internet connection between you and the system. It also states, that my plex or cash subscription, is valid for 30 days. Let me just ask the question from CCP's perspective then. If I fail to pay my subscription because the bank was closed for a few days and I couldn't access my money, or my credit card was faulty or some other fault that is NOT my own, would CCP give me 4 days of free play time? The answer is no, they would unsub my account until I paid for the service as per the contract agreement. Why then is it ok for CCP to not provide the service for the stated period of 30 days? That's a rhetorical question, it's not ok. CCP Can easily grant 4 additional days, or a plex amount equal to 4 days worth based on current plex per dollar prices, or grant other in game assetts that essentially cost them nothing but make restitution for their breach of contract. CCP will ban you the second you don't adhere to their EULA, why do you seem to think the EULA is a one way contract? It is not, and CCP not only can, but need to be held to the same standards they impose on the players. EULA is a Standard form contract Offer - The EULA describes the terms and conditions under which you may (i) use the Software; (ii) subscribe to, access and use EVE Online Consideration - Upon establishing a new Account, you will be entitled to play EVE for a stated period of time (not to exceed thirty (30) days) without paying a subscription fee (the "Trial Period"). If your Account is not terminated in accordance with the procedures set forth below within the stated Trial Period, you will be charged the subscription fees as described during the registration process when you established your Account. (ie exchange cash for a service) Acceptance - Accept EULA, download client, Buy plex, start playing. So, I still see no response from CCP Falcon as to how they intend to make whole those that were unable to access their accounts due to the DDOS attacks. would you agree to have 4 free days game time but remove 4 days of training from your account to compensate? im sure if ccp had an severe issue from their end then you would be compensated, i mean they reimburse plenty of ships and pods due to technical issues. EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 08:38:15 -
[87] - Quote Darek Castigatus wrote: Because it's you're responsibility to ensure your connection works, not CCPs. As long as the servers remain open to outside connections then CCP is fulfilling its end of the agreement, connection issues involving things outside their network are none of their concern. Look at it this way, if your connection had worked during the time in question would you have been able to log in and play the game? If the answer is yes, which I know it was because half the playerbase didn't get disconnected, then CCP has fulfilled their obligations and you havent got a leg to stand on. My connection was working fine, it was just my connection to the EVE server that was being affected. So, you're telling me the objective of a "denial of service" is not denying service of the EVE cluster? Interesting, why is it it's called a denial of service, and not a clientside attack, or something else? Because it is denying SERVICE...by definition. Service is not my responsibility, access is, and my internet access to anything else was completely unaffected. Again, another argument that attempts to blame the customer. |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 332 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 08:39:59 -
[88] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Darek Castigatus wrote: Because it's you're responsibility to ensure your connection works, not CCPs. As long as the servers remain open to outside connections then CCP is fulfilling its end of the agreement, connection issues involving things outside their network are none of their concern. Look at it this way, if your connection had worked during the time in question would you have been able to log in and play the game? If the answer is yes, which I know it was because half the playerbase didn't get disconnected, then CCP has fulfilled their obligations and you havent got a leg to stand on. My connection was working fine, it was just my connection to the EVE server that was being affected. So, you're telling me the objective of a "denial of service" is not denying service of the EVE cluster? Interesting, why is it it's called a denial of service, and not a clientside attack, or something else? Because it is denying SERVICE...by definition. Service is not my responsibility, access is, and my internet access to anything else was completely unaffected. Again, another argument that attempts to blame the customer. maybe its you causing the ddos to get much compensation and free stuffs? EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 08:45:47 -
[89] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: would you agree to have 4 free days game time but remove 4 days of training from your account to compensate? im sure if ccp had an severe issue from their end then you would be compensated, i mean they reimburse plenty of ships and pods due to technical issues. maybe you should go on twitter and shout at lizard squad or whoever the fck done it and tell them you demand answers to this scam, im sure they like tears as much as the eve players I'm more than happy to negotiate with CCP the terms of restitution. As you are not them, I will not agree to any terms you suggest. Actually no, CCP does not reimburse easily. For example your ship is blown up due to server side lag (happened to me plenty of times). The reimburse the hull, and all items that were destroyed when your ship blew up. Forget about getting the rest of your 13 trillion isk fit back that was dropped and someone else profited off when you died, because some people abuse the system, CCP policy is only reimburse stuff they know isn't being duplicated. So no, you do NOT get total value reimbursed, this value could be negligible or as I mentioned a massive amount, depending on what mods you had fitted. And that's right isn't it, because valid complaints about policy, service, or contractual agreements, are just "tears". It is a legitimate complaint that still wont be addressed by CCP Falcon, they just stick their fingers in their ears and go "lalalala" until people like you shout down valid argument or attempt logical fallacies like appeal to ridicule to stiffle dissent or argument you can't possibly agree with. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 08:50:52 -
[90] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: maybe its you causing the ddos to get much compensation and free stuffs? Yeah sure, I would risk federal prison for isk. Hacking and DDOS is a federal offence, that means federal prison, I am way too pretty for federal prison, so in the interest of protecting my own keyster, I would never engage in something so stupid. The risk vs reward of such activity is not worth the payoff. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 08:57:06 -
[91] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: what you failed to realize is that, if CCP starts to give any kind of compensation because of this incident, the script kiddies who are doing this criminal act will be having even more reason to do this, yeah? Not my problem, and I never said "QQ moar!" so please don't misquote me. I'm older than a 12yr old that talks like that rather than engage in adult discussion. So if your money was stolen from a Bank, due to a criminal act, the bank doesn't just go "oops sorry you lost your stuff", they have insurance to cover legitimate claims on property. If CCP hasn't bothered with Liability Insurance, that is not my problem either. Would you be happy if the bank just said oops sorry, not our fault, we'll just restore some of what you lost? |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1854 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 08:58:33 -
[92] - Quote People like Ecklectrix are frightening. They do not care about anything else but what they want. At some point I am sure they would kill someone, because they know no borders and believe they can behave however they want. Thinking Ero is a sociopath while these people are allowed to run around is plain nuts. Thread should be locked, because it's pure ranting, out of date and infested by sick antisocial monsters. Can't we petition to have such "human beings" permabanned? This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 109 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 08:59:25 -
[93] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: My connection was working fine, it was just my connection to the EVE server that was being affected. So, you're telling me the objective of a "denial of service" is not denying service of the EVE cluster? Interesting, why is it it's called a denial of service, and not a clientside attack, or something else? Because it is denying SERVICE...by definition. Service is not my responsibility, access is, and my internet access to anything else was completely unaffected. Again, another argument that attempts to blame the customer. this is one of the d*mbest and most ignorant post i've ever seen here in this thread. have you even bothered checking out what DDoS means, why it's named like that and how it works? you should actually be very thankful that the only thing being affected by this attack is your connection to EvE and not everything else because they're targeting somebody else and not you. Just Add Water |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 109 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:03:47 -
[94] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: what you failed to realize is that, if CCP starts to give any kind of compensation because of this incident, the script kiddies who are doing this criminal act will be having even more reason to do this, yeah? Not my problem, and I never said "QQ moar!" so please don't misquote me. I'm older than a 12yr old that talks like that rather than engage in adult discussion. So if your money was stolen from a Bank, due to a criminal act, the bank doesn't just go "oops sorry you lost your stuff", they have insurance to cover legitimate claims on property. If CCP hasn't bothered with Liability Insurance, that is not my problem either. Would you be happy if the bank just said oops sorry, not our fault, we'll just restore some of what you lost? my point still stands that if CCP starts to give anybody any compensation that this attack would be encouraged even more.  Just Add Water |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:05:08 -
[95] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: People like Ecklectrix are frightening. They do not care about anything else but what they want. At some point I am sure they would kill someone, because they know no borders and believe they can behave however they want. Thinking Ero is a sociopath while these people are allowed to run around is plain nuts. Thread should be locked, because it's pure ranting, out of date and infested by sick antisocial monsters. Can't we petition to have such "human beings" permabanned? You do not know me, your judgement is poor, and I would warn against attempting to defame me on a public forum. Your suggestion is not only offensive, but libelous. It has nothing to do actually with what I want. It has to do with what I am legally and contractually entitled to. If you think people enforcing their legal rights is sociopathic, you should really work on that. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1854 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:09:56 -
[96] - Quote Please sue me for talking to an anonymous internet characer. Please. Go ahead, big mouth. You prove my point! I am talking to an anonymous internet characer and you are so COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED and FULL OF YOURSELF you believe you can sue me for that! Come at me, bro! People like you should be locked up! This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:10:24 -
[97] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: this is one of the d*mbest and most ignorant post i've ever seen here in this thread. have you even bothered checking out what DDoS means, why it's named like that and how it works? In computing, a denial-of-service (DoS) or distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack is an attempt to make a machine or network resource unavailable to its intended users. A DoS attack generally consists of efforts to temporarily or indefinitely interrupt or suspend services of a host connected to the Internet. Sorry, who is the host connected to the internet, is that me, or CCP? Host...hrm...sounds like CCP. Sorry, who are the intended users, is it me, or is it CCP? Sure sounds like that applies to me. and no, compensating those affected by the attack can be done at no real monetary cost by CCP, as I suggested earlier the can easily provide in game content which costs them nothing. The hackers do not benefit, only the people unable to access their pre-paid for service will be restored. There will be no benefit, it restores both parties to the original terms. Go read about "specific performance" |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1854 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:13:12 -
[98] - Quote Oh btw! CCP is ENTITLED to ban you for NO REASON and that's EXACTLY what they should do! Goodbye, freak! This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:17:37 -
[99] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Please sue me for talking to an anonymous internet characer. Please. Go ahead, big mouth. You prove my point! I am talking to an anonymous internet characer and you are so COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED and FULL OF YOURSELF you believe you can sue me for that! Come at me, bro! People like you should be locked up! CCP ban this guy for breaching the EULA. |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 111 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:21:19 -
[100] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: People like Ecklectrix are frightening. They do not care about anything else but what they want. At some point I am sure they would kill someone, because they know no borders and believe they can behave however they want. Thinking Ero is a sociopath while these people are allowed to run around is plain nuts. Thread should be locked, because it's pure ranting, out of date and infested by sick antisocial monsters. Can't we petition to have such "human beings" permabanned? You do not know me, your judgement is poor, and I would warn against attempting to defame me on a public forum. Your suggestion is not only offensive, but libelous. It has nothing to do actually with what I want. It has to do with what I am legally and contractually entitled to. If you think people enforcing their legal rights is sociopathic, you should really work on that. if you feel violated, you are also entitled as per contract to unsub, nobody will stop you. please do so as soon as possible as a sign of protest on how CCP have deliberately abused your rights. thank you. Just Add Water |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 332 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:22:53 -
[101] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: this is one of the d*mbest and most ignorant post i've ever seen here in this thread. have you even bothered checking out what DDoS means, why it's named like that and how it works? In computing, a denial-of-service (DoS) or distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack is an attempt to make a machine or network resource unavailable to its intended users. A DoS attack generally consists of efforts to temporarily or indefinitely interrupt or suspend services of a host connected to the Internet. Sorry, who is the host connected to the internet, is that me, or CCP? Host...hrm...sounds like CCP. Sorry, who are the intended users, is it me, or is it CCP? Sure sounds like that applies to me. and no, compensating those affected by the attack can be done at no real monetary cost by CCP, as I suggested earlier the can easily provide in game content which costs them nothing. The hackers do not benefit, only the people unable to access their pre-paid for service will be restored. There will be no benefit, it restores both parties to the original terms. Go read about "specific performance" there is benefit for people who did not experience any disconnections, i personally was cut off for around 3 minutes (if that), not really compensatable is it? but you should get compensated and other should not? how does ccp determine who exactly was affected? anyway only thing thats gonna happen here is thread locked for ranting EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:25:10 -
[102] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: if you feel violated, you are also entitled as per contract to unsub, nobody will stop you. please do so as soon as possible as a sign of protest on how CCP have deliberately abused your rights. thank you. So, are you CCP Falcon, or a CCP representative at all? Why do you think what you have to say is actually useful, in any way? CCP Falcon, I am talking to you. What do you intend to do for those that have legitimate complaint? You can feel free to contact me personally rather than on the forum, either way is fine with me, given there are so many inter-meddlers that may be the best option. |
Garmyne Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 16 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:28:28 -
[103] - Quote *reaches for the popcorn* |
 Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 301 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:32:13 -
[104] - Quote Calm down people. DDoS is just part of the meta. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 332 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:33:22 -
[105] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: if you feel violated, you are also entitled as per contract to unsub, nobody will stop you. please do so as soon as possible as a sign of protest on how CCP have deliberately abused your rights. thank you. So, are you CCP Falcon, or a CCP representative at all? Why do you think what you have to say is actually useful, in any way? CCP Falcon, I am talking to you. What do you intend to do for those that have legitimate complaint? You can feel free to contact me personally rather than on the forum, either way is fine with me, given there are so many inter-meddlers that may be the best option. why are you ranting on the "public" forum if you dont want other peoples opinion, why not file a petition instead moaning at people with "So, are you CCP Falcon, or a CCP representative at all?" EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
 Hector Skunk Highsecberg. 32 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:33:29 -
[106] - Quote May I? The best course of action is to ignore such individuals because that's what ticks them off the most. When no one shows interest for their silly demands they will explode inside and that's what you should be aiming for. I am Hector Skunk. - "Tisiphone Dira > I feel bullied." |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:39:45 -
[107] - Quote Yep, somehow I am the bad guy for simply asking for what I paid for. I should explode on the inside. Mmm hmm. The EVE player base is so immature. All you flame trolls need to ask yourself why you are directing your anger at me for simply asking for restitution. RESTITUTION not benefit. Been a player for many years, paid loads of dollars towards this game, all I ask is to get the value I pay for, it's not an unreasonable request, and the only reason it was brought up was because one of the flame trolls suggested people shouldn't feel entitled. I pay for it, that legally entitles me. Get over it. |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 111 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:39:58 -
[108] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: if you feel violated, you are also entitled as per contract to unsub, nobody will stop you. please do so as soon as possible as a sign of protest on how CCP have deliberately abused your rights. thank you. So, are you CCP Falcon, or a CCP representative at all? Why do you think what you have to say is actually useful, in any way? CCP Falcon, I am talking to you. What do you intend to do for those that have legitimate complaint? You can feel free to contact me personally rather than on the forum, either way is fine with me, given there are so many inter-meddlers that may be the best option. no i am not from CCP or related to anyone from CCP, what i said is my suggestion to you and to remind you that unsubbing is indeed one of your rights in case you missed that one out. we are all affected by these attacks, and i can only imagine that CCP is affected the most since after all this is their livelihood/source of income but not everbody is narrow minded like you. so we know what to feel and how to act, even if our right as customers are being violated, mmmmkay? Just Add Water |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 332 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:40:58 -
[109] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Yep, somehow I am the bad guy for simply asking for what I paid for. I should explode on the inside. Mmm hmm. The EVE player base is so immature. All you flame trolls need to ask yourself why you are directing your anger at me for simply asking for restitution. RESTITUTION not benefit. Been a player for many years, paid loads of dollars towards this game, all I ask is to get the value I pay for, it's not an unreasonable request, and the only reason it was brought up was because one of the flame trolls suggested people shouldn't feel entitled. I pay for it, that legally entitles me. Get over it. the only anger seems to be coming from you, you sound so mad im scared to go near your tears EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Garmyne Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 17 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:41:59 -
[110] - Quote Hector Skunk wrote: May I? The best course of action is to ignore such individuals because that's what ticks them off the most. When no one shows interest for their silly demands they will explode inside and that's what you should be aiming for. Aww., dont spoil it. Your just like my missus, i'm sat there watching a good film and she just sits down and turns the t.v channel over. Now I've got to look at ponys and rainbows.  |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:46:24 -
[111] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: Yep, somehow I am the bad guy for simply asking for what I paid for. I should explode on the inside. Mmm hmm. The EVE player base is so immature. All you flame trolls need to ask yourself why you are directing your anger at me for simply asking for restitution. RESTITUTION not benefit. Been a player for many years, paid loads of dollars towards this game, all I ask is to get the value I pay for, it's not an unreasonable request, and the only reason it was brought up was because one of the flame trolls suggested people shouldn't feel entitled. I pay for it, that legally entitles me. Get over it. the only anger seems to be coming from you, you sound so mad im scared to go near your tears You sound mad that you percieve that I'm mad. I don't get mad, I get restitution. |
Hector Skunk Highsecberg. 33 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:52:19 -
[112] - Quote The other way around I advise the person who believes to deserve compensation to stop throwing a fit on a plattform which is completely useless for you and instead use the support system to "demand" compensation. Further I advise seeking legal council in case your demands will not be met. So far you are all bark but no spark. Put your money where your mouth is and stop behaving like a child. I am Hector Skunk. - "Tisiphone Dira > I feel bullied." |
Hector Skunk Highsecberg. 33 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 09:53:13 -
[113] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: Yep, somehow I am the bad guy for simply asking for what I paid for. I should explode on the inside. Mmm hmm. The EVE player base is so immature. All you flame trolls need to ask yourself why you are directing your anger at me for simply asking for restitution. RESTITUTION not benefit. Been a player for many years, paid loads of dollars towards this game, all I ask is to get the value I pay for, it's not an unreasonable request, and the only reason it was brought up was because one of the flame trolls suggested people shouldn't feel entitled. I pay for it, that legally entitles me. Get over it. the only anger seems to be coming from you, you sound so mad im scared to go near your tears You sound mad that you percieve that I'm mad. I don't get mad, I get restitution. You will get nothing. Prove me wrong. I dare you. I am Hector Skunk. - "Tisiphone Dira > I feel bullied." |
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 4314 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 10:11:17 -
[114] - Quote I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules: 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counter productive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 111 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 10:33:32 -
[115] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules: 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counter productive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. petition to close this thread please. thank you. Just Add Water |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 332 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 10:35:22 -
[116] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: ISD Ezwal wrote: I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules: 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counter productive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. petition to close this thread please. thank you. +1 EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1872 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 11:12:25 -
[117] - Quote You have to request it politely via the flag ... ... and should provide reason for the ISD to grant your request. You have my Like and coming deserved ban as well. I had enough of this anyway. People say CODE publicly chestbeats about DDoSing the servers, there's someone who deliberately does not respond when i ask about it and then there is this crap that smells so much like metagaming it stinks to the roof. It's completely nuts. Nuts! I'm outta here. Enjoy the silence, ISD Ezwal. :) This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 11:20:13 -
[118] - Quote Darek Castigatus wrote: Look at it this way, if your connection had worked during the time in question would you have been able to log in and play the game? If the answer is yes, which I know it was because half the playerbase didn't get disconnected, then CCP has fulfilled their obligations and you havent got a leg to stand on. My connection did work. I had internet connection to other games, email, banking, everything except eve. Eve connects via the eve download content client - my connection was being refused by the client - programmed by CCP, connecting to CCP servers, this is their issue not mine. Large groups of areas were disconnected, it certainly wasn't isolated to my connection. Whether this is a routing issue then this just means CCP needs to put in place alternate routes in cases of DDOS. Anyhow, the why and where are irrelevant, they are distractions - all that is important is the sollution |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1303 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 11:58:39 -
[119] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: You are wrong. blah Move on to the next storm in a tea cup, please. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 12:13:48 -
[120] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: You are wrong. Move on to the next storm in a tea cup, please. That sounds like your opinion, and I choose not to accept it. Subjective. I resent your "storm in a tea cup" comment, as it suggests my money and consumer rights are unimportant. Again, subjective. It isnt the first time that CCP ignores it's obligations contractually to the consumers. If CCP "whoever" wishes to actually provide information to people why they consider they should not provide compensation and justify that with evidence and facts about where exactly the problem occurred and who should be held responsible that would be nice, but it seems paying customers do not merit an explanation from the gods. Again, showing CCP has a non-communication policy with the player base (yes that's right, players pay money up-front to play). If I just had some details from CCP I could make informed decisions about exactly who is at fault. Unfortunately, you all seem to think that you can speak for CCP, you can't, you are speculating as to who, how, why and where as much as anyone else is because you lack the information. CCP needs advise on their intentions regarding compensation of lost time and or items caused by the loss of connection to paying customers. |
Lion Arthie Dedonic Blue 1 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 12:32:04 -
[121] - Quote Greetings all o/ Thanks to the guy who has posted that link previously in this thread (https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc722931.aspx). Being a techy noob, I understood the situation abit more. And now that this issue is known as being DDoS, let us work collectively with CCP to figure out possible solutions. In the linked article, the author P.Robichaux points out that the most common way to make a DDoS attack is by using 'Trojan horse', which by his definition is "an innocuous-looking but secretly malicious program that unsuspecting people will run" (read from the link for further information). See, I am not at all familiar with the techy stuffs/processes going on in the background on networks/internet etc., and while assuming that the programmers at CCP Hq have the required skills to detect 'trojan horse' codes, I propose this: that CCP have a piece of code implemented in the core of all susbcribers client (or in the Launcher) which will detect the remote triggering of such 'trojan horse' from unsuspecting pc/mac, point it out to the user and block it from harming the Eve network. I suppose 3rd party antivirus/firewall softwares would do that already, but some of those entities may as well be the source of the problem. I also suppose this has already been implemented before. But, oh well, I am trying to find solutions. Flysafe o/ |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 114 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 12:33:25 -
[122] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: If I just had some details from CCP I could make informed decisions about exactly who is at fault. Honestly, what it is so hard to understand? the OP of CCP Falcon is clear as the sun. CCP Falcon wrote: UPDATE - 12/04/2015 - 17:13 After extensive investigation, we've been able to confirm that the connection issues experienced by players over the last few days have been caused by a series of DDoS attacks targeted at Tranquility. Tranquility is perfectly healthy and is running fine, however we're currently working on resolving the situation, and the network issues that the attacks are causing. We apologize for any interruption that the connection issues caused by these incidents are causing to your gameplay. There was or is a series of DDoS attack. The ones at fault are the script kiddies doing this, they are to blame - the culprit, the criminals (atleast in my country they are)! and like any other criminals they hide, so it's not easy for them to be caught. Just Add Water |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1304 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 12:33:25 -
[123] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Here are the facts as stated by a member of CCPUnfortunately, you all seem to think that you can speak for CCP, you can't, you are speculating as to who, how, why and where as much as anyone else is because you lack the information. - They had a DDoS attack - YOUR ability to connect to their servers was disrupted. It was a rather minor disruption and your demands create more work than it is worth implementing. If CCP takes your minority over the top whining seriously they open a door of precidents where they will be falling over themselves to wipe noses to the point they will end up writing personal letters of apology because down time took one minute longer than scheduled. Get over yourself. Lion Arthie wrote: The attacks will be coming from a bot-net, this is a wide range of personal computers running substandard anti-virus and malware programs or in some cases the programs can not be detected yet. that CCP have a piece of code implemented in the core of all susbcribers client (or in the Launcher) which will detect the remote triggering of such 'trojan horse' from unsuspecting pc/mac, point it out to the user and block it from harming the Eve network. I suppose 3rd party antivirus/firewall softwares would do that already, but some of those entities may as well be the source of the problem. I also suppose this has already been implemented before. But, oh well, I am trying to find solutions. The trojan program was frequently spread via people opening spam e-mails with attachments. It is more frequent for the code to be injected into your computer via dodgy websites these days. This means that computers that are infected and used in this bot-net are well beyond the reach of CCP's launcher for EVE. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 12:44:01 -
[124] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: Here are the facts as stated by a member of CCPUnfortunately, you all seem to think that you can speak for CCP, you can't, you are speculating as to who, how, why and where as much as anyone else is because you lack the information. - They had a DDoS attack - YOUR ability to connect to their servers was disrupted. It was a rather minor disruption and your demands create more work than it is worth implementing. If CCP takes your minority over the top whining seriously they open a door of precidents where they will be falling over themselves to wipe noses to the point they will end up writing personal letters of apology because down time took one minute longer than scheduled. Get over yourself. I'm quite sick of your personal attacks. Nowhere have I name called, or personally attacked you. Keep it civil. I am just as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. The explanation from CCP Falcon in no way takes responsibility for providing a service away from CCP. In fact Falcon stated that they were "working on the network issues this is causing" so therefore there was action they could take to resolve the denial of service - it is not something I can do, in fact the EULA prohibits me from altering the client to change its routing. At the end of the day, you keep talking as though you have some authority over me, perhaps one should look in the mirror before telling others to get over themselves. Where did I ever complain about prolonged downtime? Where did I ever make it a bigger deal than what it is? DDOS Happened, service was denied to thousands of users. I'm not asking for hand holding, nor nose wiping - those are not part of the contract between me and CCP. Service for money - now thats part of the complaint. And nice false equivalency argument there, 1 minute of prolonged downtime, versus 4+ days of unable to connect. The two are hardly on par with each other. Again, your opinion that it is not important is subjective, had CCP Whoever bothered to respond, they could have by now and I'd have nothing more to keep asking for. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1306 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 12:50:48 -
[125] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: That this thread wasn't locked when you started ranting earlier in it leads me to believe they are just letting you vent your frustrations. Blah. "There there. Made enough noise yet? Feeling better? Now go back to your game and blow up some space ships." CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6016 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 12:55:28 -
[126] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: Here are the facts as stated by a member of CCPUnfortunately, you all seem to think that you can speak for CCP, you can't, you are speculating as to who, how, why and where as much as anyone else is because you lack the information. - They had a DDoS attack - YOUR ability to connect to their servers was disrupted. It was a rather minor disruption and your demands create more work than it is worth implementing. If CCP takes your minority over the top whining seriously they open a door of precidents where they will be falling over themselves to wipe noses to the point they will end up writing personal letters of apology because down time took one minute longer than scheduled. Get over yourself. I'm quite sick of your personal attacks. Nowhere have I name called, or personally attacked you. Keep it civil. I am just as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. The explanation from CCP Falcon in no way takes responsibility for providing a service away from CCP. In fact Falcon stated that they were "working on the network issues this is causing" so therefore there was action they could take to resolve the denial of service - it is not something I can do, in fact the EULA prohibits me from altering the client to change its routing. At the end of the day, you keep talking as though you have some authority over me, perhaps one should look in the mirror before telling others to get over themselves. Where did I ever complain about prolonged downtime? Where did I ever make it a bigger deal than what it is? DDOS Happened, service was denied to thousands of users. I'm not asking for hand holding, nor nose wiping - those are not part of the contract between me and CCP. Service for money - now thats part of the complaint. And nice false equivalency argument there, 1 minute of prolonged downtime, versus 4+ days of unable to connect. The two are hardly on par with each other. Again, your opinion that it is not important is subjective, had CCP Whoever bothered to respond, they could have by now and I'd have nothing more to keep asking for. I suggest you go back and re-read the terms of service contract you have entered into with CCP. You will discover your errors in good time, I am confident. Until then, you are certainly entitled to have an opinion, however wrong it may be. You're not the first person on the interwebs to have this opinion, and you won't be the last. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 12:58:26 -
[127] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: That this thread wasn't locked when you started ranting ealier in it leads me to believe they are just letting you vent your frustrations. Blah. "There there. Made enough noise yet? Feeling better? Now go back to your game and blow up some space ships." From the EULA: A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. As I see it, non-communication with the player base, and information regarding subscriptions and future possible DDOS attacks is all on topic. It seems you are the one that keeps going off topic on rants about how much you don't like what I have to say. The hypocricy of the whiner calling someone else a whiner is ...... exquisite. |
 Dots State Protectorate Caldari State 60 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 12:59:18 -
[128] - Quote Ecklectrix, you're paying to be able to log into EVE, not so that CCP can fix the whole Internet or rid us of every hacker and malcontent. Your expectations are unrealistic. everything is better with ߦêߦÆߦù-ó on it |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1306 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:01:18 -
[129] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: blah I conclude that you are a drama troll and shall be ignoring you hence forth. (Reminder to others you can click a person's name and chose to hide posts) CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:12:20 -
[130] - Quote War Kitten wrote: I suggest you go back and re-read the terms of service contract you have entered into with CCP. You will discover your errors in good time, I am confident. Until then, you are certainly entitled to have an opinion, however wrong it may be. You're not the first person on the interwebs to have this opinion, and you won't be the last. I suggest you study contract law. I also suggest you read the terms in the EULA. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY Except as set forth below, CCP's maximum liability for any and all claims arising out of or in connection with your Account, the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, and any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, shall not exceed an amount equal to the value of one (1) month's subscription fees. In the event of a material breach of CCP's obligations to provide access to and use of your Account, the System, Game, Game Content or User Content, your sole and exclusive remedy shall be a refund of any pre-paid subscription fees attributable to the period during which you were denied such access and use, or an amount equal to the value of three (3) months' subscription fees, whichever is less. GOVERNING LAW AND EXCLUSIVE FORUM The EULA, and the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be governed and construed by and in accordance with the laws of the Republic of Iceland. The EULA shall not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods. |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 115 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:18:55 -
[131] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: I suggest you study contract law. I also suggest you read the terms in the EULA. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY Except as set forth below, CCP's maximum liability for any and all claims arising out of or in connection with your Account, the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, and any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, shall not exceed an amount equal to the value of one (1) month's subscription fees. In the event of a material breach of CCP's obligations to provide access to and use of your Account, the System, Game, Game Content or User Content, your sole and exclusive remedy shall be a refund of any pre-paid subscription fees attributable to the period during which you were denied such access and use, or an amount equal to the value of three (3) months' subscription fees, whichever is less. GOVERNING LAW AND EXCLUSIVE FORUM The EULA, and the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be governed and construed by and in accordance with the laws of the Republic of Iceland. The EULA shall not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods. Don't qoute the things that are only convinient to you. Please describe CCP's OBLIGATIONS under the EULA Just Add Water |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:20:03 -
[132] - Quote Dots wrote: Ecklectrix, you're paying to be able to log into EVE, not so that CCP can fix the whole Internet or rid us of every hacker and malcontent. Your expectations are unrealistic. Where did I ask for that? My request is simple. 1. Reimburse, or compensate for the time the servers were unaccessible due to DDOS or whatever the cause was that had nothing to do with me. The end. |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 336 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:25:12 -
[133] - Quote NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures. EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6016 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:26:20 -
[134] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: War Kitten wrote: I suggest you go back and re-read the terms of service contract you have entered into with CCP. You will discover your errors in good time, I am confident. Until then, you are certainly entitled to have an opinion, however wrong it may be. You're not the first person on the interwebs to have this opinion, and you won't be the last. I suggest you study contract law. I also suggest you read the terms in the EULA. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY Except as set forth below, CCP's maximum liability for any and all claims arising out of or in connection with your Account, the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content, EULA, and any other services or materials provided in connection therewith, shall not exceed an amount equal to the value of one (1) month's subscription fees. In the event of a material breach of CCP's obligations to provide access to and use of your Account, the System, Game, Game Content or User Content, your sole and exclusive remedy shall be a refund of any pre-paid subscription fees attributable to the period during which you were denied such access and use, or an amount equal to the value of three (3) months' subscription fees, whichever is less. GOVERNING LAW AND EXCLUSIVE FORUM The EULA, and the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be governed and construed by and in accordance with the laws of the Republic of Iceland. The EULA shall not be governed by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods. And your argument is that CCP is in material breach of their obligations to provide access to and use of your account, the system, game, etc? Let's see your proof of this breach. Contract law requires proof. Simply being incapable of accessing the system is not proof that CCP failed to provide access. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 115 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:26:33 -
[135] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Dots wrote: Ecklectrix, you're paying to be able to log into EVE, not so that CCP can fix the whole Internet or rid us of every hacker and malcontent. Your expectations are unrealistic. Where did I ask for that? My request is simple. 1. Reimburse, or compensate for the time the servers were unaccessible due to DDOS or whatever the cause was that had nothing to do with me. The end. Wrong. CCP doesn't need to compensate or reimburse you dong if the reasons of your inability to access/use their products is NOT in their OBLIGATIONS as per the EULA. So again, describe CCP's OBLIGATION under the EULA Just Add Water |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:27:33 -
[136] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Don't qoute the things that are only convinient to you. Please describe CCP's OBLIGATIONS under the EULA Seems to me, you can provide that quote. I'll leave that to you. Don't ask me to do your legwork for you. There is such a thing as "unfair terms" and they can not waive all their responsibility just because they wrote it into the EULA. In addition, they have provided terms for remedy (which was what I posted earlier) They can not post terms for remedy, and then elsewhere state that they provide no remedy in any case what-so-ever, these are called contradictory terms and will be void. In addition go read icelandic contract law, particularly article 36. A contract is unfair if it is contrary to good business practices and materially distorts the balance between the rights and obligations of the contracting parties, to the disadvantage of the consumer. If a term of this kind is set aside, in full or in part, or amended, the contract shall, at the request of the consumer, remain valid in other respects without change if it can be performed without the term also read article 40. Then get back to me. |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 115 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:30:33 -
[137] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Don't qoute the things that are only convinient to you. Please describe CCP's OBLIGATIONS under the EULA Seems to me, you can provide that quote. I'll leave that to you. Don't ask me to do your legwork for you. There is such a thing as "unfair terms" and they can not waive all their responsibility just because they wrote it into the EULA. In addition, they have provided terms for remedy (which was what I posted earlier) They can not post terms for remedy, and then elsewhere state that they provide no remedy in any case what-so-ever, these are called contradictory terms and will be void. In addition go read icelandic contract law, particularly article 36. A contract is unfair if it is contrary to good business practices and materially distorts the balance between the rights and obligations of the contracting parties, to the disadvantage of the consumer. If a term of this kind is set aside, in full or in part, or amended, the contract shall, at the request of the consumer, remain valid in other respects without change if it can be performed without the term also read article 40. Then get back to me. The burden to prove that your rights have been violated is on you. lol, nice try.  Just Add Water |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6016 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:33:59 -
[138] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Don't qoute the things that are only convinient to you. Please describe CCP's OBLIGATIONS under the EULA Seems to me, you can provide that quote. I'll leave that to you. Don't ask me to do your legwork for you. There is such a thing as "unfair terms" and they can not waive all their responsibility just because they wrote it into the EULA. In addition, they have provided terms for remedy (which was what I posted earlier) They can not post terms for remedy, and then elsewhere state that they provide no remedy in any case what-so-ever, these are called contradictory terms and will be void. In addition go read icelandic contract law, particularly article 36. A contract is unfair if it is contrary to good business practices and materially distorts the balance between the rights and obligations of the contracting parties, to the disadvantage of the consumer. If a term of this kind is set aside, in full or in part, or amended, the contract shall, at the request of the consumer, remain valid in other respects without change if it can be performed without the term also read article 40. Then get back to me. If you think you've got a case, take it to court. The judge can then tell you that you're wrong, just like everyone else is doing. Then get back to us. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:43:07 -
[139] - Quote War Kitten wrote: If you think you've got a case, take it to court. The judge can then tell you that you're wrong, just like everyone else is doing. Then get back to us. Well it seems you're already judge jury and executioner, in the court of public opinion. Commence the burning at the stake or whatever it is you need to do win e-points bud. What I do, if anything, legally, will be my concern and not yours. And would not be something posted on a forum. Having said that, if CCP Falcon or any other CCP would like to get back to me, I'd much prefer some discussion about it rather than internet tools thinking they know what they are on about continually flaming me. Its been how many days now guys?(CCP) It doesn't take long to provide a statement on it. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:48:39 -
[140] - Quote War Kitten wrote: And your argument is that CCP is in material breach of their obligations to provide access to and use of your account, the system, game, etc? Let's see your proof of this breach. Contract law requires proof. Simply being incapable of accessing the system is not proof that CCP failed to provide access. Ah...no but if CCP really wants a full audit ordered by a court...or they could just reimburse as they are supposed to, that would most likely end up a lot cheaper, and would be the right thing to do seeing as their paying customers got screwed. All you screamers seem to be attacking me as though it was me that did the DDOS. I paid for 90 days of play, all I want is 90 days of play. Fix it. |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6017 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:55:31 -
[141] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: War Kitten wrote: If you think you've got a case, take it to court. The judge can then tell you that you're wrong, just like everyone else is doing. Then get back to us. Well it seems you're already judge jury and executioner, in the court of public opinion. Commence the burning at the stake or whatever it is you need to do win e-points bud. Nope, I'm no judge, nor member of the jury. I just know you're wrong and thought I'd help you out with one more opinion. You did come here posting looking for opinions right? Also, you're beginning to resort to name-calling. That's not polite. Quote: What I do, if anything, legally, will be my concern and not yours. And would not be something posted on a forum. Then for goodness sake, stop posting it on the forum. Nobody agrees with you, and most have given up trying to point out where you're making your mistakes. Quote: Having said that, if CCP Falcon or any other CCP would like to get back to me, I'd much prefer some discussion about it rather than internet tools thinking they know what they are on about continually flaming me. Its been how many days now guys?(CCP) It doesn't take long to provide a statement on it. Oh my, more name-calling. There are far better ways to contact CCP than posting in the forums. You should try them. They're not going to join your little flame war, though I'd wager a few of them are reading along and snickering while the rest of us play. :) I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1535 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 13:56:05 -
[142] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Ah...no but if CCP really wants a full audit ordered by a court...or they could just reimburse as they are supposed to, that would most likely end up a lot cheaper, and would be the right thing to do seeing as their paying customers got screwed. Wow. Do you imagine you'll get better service now that you're threatening coercion? Have you spent any time working in an any service industry, ever? Ecklectrix wrote: All you screamers seem to be attacking me as though it was me that did the DDOS. I paid for 90 days of play, all I want is 90 days of play. Fix it. We're trying to break you out of your overly simple and woefully insufficient model. This is not between you and CCP. There is a hostile third party disrupting service between you and CCP. CCP can't just "fix it," because it's not just their problem. Until you accept that, you're not going to get anywhere. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X! |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6017 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 14:02:26 -
[143] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: War Kitten wrote: And your argument is that CCP is in material breach of their obligations to provide access to and use of your account, the system, game, etc? Let's see your proof of this breach. Contract law requires proof. Simply being incapable of accessing the system is not proof that CCP failed to provide access. Ah...no but if CCP really wants a full audit ordered by a court...or they could just reimburse as they are supposed to, that would most likely end up a lot cheaper, and would be the right thing to do seeing as their paying customers got screwed. All you screamers seem to be attacking me as though it was me that did the DDOS. I paid for 90 days of play, all I want is 90 days of play. Fix it. More empty legal threats? Why are CCP "supposed to" reimburse you if everything in their control, and everything they have promised to provide, is working to the best of their ability? They even go above and beyond, trying to detect and prevent these external attacks on the network as best they can, because it is in their interest to. But it is not something they are contractually bound to do. I seriously doubt you even understand how the internet works, and this is leading to your faulty conclusions. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 14:08:44 -
[144] - Quote Dersen Lowery wrote: Wow. Do you imagine you'll get better service now that you're threatening coercion? Have you spent any time working in an any service industry, ever? We're trying to break you out of your overly simple and woefully insufficient model. This is not between you and CCP. There is a hostile third party disrupting service between you and CCP. CCP can't just "fix it," because it's not just their problem. Until you accept that, you're not going to get anywhere. Where exactly is it you think I'm trying to get? Yawn. It is simple. Service paid for in advance. Service not recieved. It doesn't get any simpler. Tranquility was the target not "the general interwebs" nor, my "personal internet connection." Threatening coercion would be superfluous. Given that coercion is a threat. What exactly is it you think a court does though, it will compel the losing party...that, my friend is also a form of coercion.... so coercion is not something negative even though you've tried to paint me that way. I, however, threatened no such thing, I merely pointed out that the only way someone could make a claim would be to audit the logs to be able to trace who was responsible. This would be costly for CCP. How you wish to interpret that comment is your issue. I suggest to you CCP already knows it can be held liable, they would be wise to just do the right thing by the people that got screwed, it literally doesn't cost them a cent, and they then remove themselves from the posibility of unjust enrichement. In addition - when was the last time you got anything without asking for it? Think CCP will just offer it up out of the goodness of their heart? Squeeky wheel gets the oil. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 14:27:22 -
[145] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Why are CCP "supposed to" reimburse you if everything in their control, and everything they have promised to provide, is working to the best of their ability? They even go above and beyond, trying to detect and prevent these external attacks on the network as best they can, because it is in their interest to. But it is not something they are contractually bound to do. I seriously doubt you even understand how the internet works, and this is leading to your faulty conclusions. It's called unjust enrichment, look it up. |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 115 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 14:37:19 -
[146] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: War Kitten wrote: Why are CCP "supposed to" reimburse you if everything in their control, and everything they have promised to provide, is working to the best of their ability? They even go above and beyond, trying to detect and prevent these external attacks on the network as best they can, because it is in their interest to. But it is not something they are contractually bound to do. I seriously doubt you even understand how the internet works, and this is leading to your faulty conclusions. It's called unjust enrichment, look it up. lol, this is not applicable, no party had been enriched deliberately or by chance in this case. CCP infact, is even the prime victim in all of this. Did CCP benefited in one way or another in this situation? again, nice try. Just Add Water |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 14:42:30 -
[147] - Quote They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did. |
 Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 51 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 14:46:39 -
[148] - Quote QUESTION! What if theoretically for the next 30 days these attacks happen multiple times a day. Will it then be a problem worthy of compensation? If so, what is the cut off point from no compensation to compensation? 10days? 15days? 7days? 30days? You cant tell me with a straight face if this happens everyday for a month even if it aint ccps fault that we should continue to be charged. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1313 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 14:54:05 -
[149] - Quote Relevant. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 338 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 14:57:16 -
[150] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: QUESTION! What if theoretically for the next 30 days these attacks happen multiple times a day. Will it then be a problem worthy of compensation? If so, what is the cut off point from no compensation to compensation? 10days? 15days? 7days? 30days? You cant tell me with a straight face if this happens everyday for a month even if it aint ccps fault that we should continue to be charged. you make it sound like your forced into paying money to ccp, its a games company not the government you are well within your rights to desub and file a dispute with paypal or credit card company to reverse your last months payment EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 116 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 14:58:17 -
[151] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did. And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem. true you paid them, still no proof that they benefited from this, for all we know you are the one who chose not to avail their services.  how can they be sure that you are indeed trying to log-in for real? after all their servers are fine. maybe you are just riding the wave and just want to seize the oppurtunity to take an advantage? again, the burden of proof is on you, try again. Just Add Water |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:01:00 -
[152] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did. And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem. true you paid them, still no proof that they benefited from this, for all we know you are the one who chose not to avail their services. how can they be sure that you are indeed trying to log-in for real? after all their servers are fine. maybe you are just riding the wave and just want to seize the oppurtunity to take an advantage? again, the burden of proof is on you, try again. do you even know how a contract works? |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 338 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:03:41 -
[153] - Quote its hardly a contract, you are merely agreeing to some terms which state they dont guarantee the service to be active 100% of the time EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1535 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:03:49 -
[154] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did. Tranquility has been up the whole time, thanks to a considerable effort on their part. EVE Online is not the Internet. Ecklectrix wrote: And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem. One of the major appeals of DDOS attacks is that they are nearly impossible to trace to anyone. So what you are effectively asking is for CCP to take the blame and the financial hit on behalf of a party hostile to them. All because you're losing your **** over access to a game. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X! |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1314 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:06:16 -
[155] - Quote I am getting more and more angry!  Why won't people rage with me?  I know I am special enough to start a mob!  CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:07:29 -
[156] - Quote Dersen Lowery wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did. Tranquility has been up the whole time, thanks to a considerable effort on their part. EVE Online is not the Internet. Ecklectrix wrote: And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem. One of the major appeals of DDOS attacks is that they are nearly impossible to trace to anyone. So what you are effectively asking is for CCP to take the blame and the financial hit on behalf of a party hostile to them. All because you're losing your **** over access to a game. So I should bear the cost of it? All of the people affected should collectively bear the cost? CCP has insurance for that sort of thing, the consumer does not. And tranquility was NOT up the whole time, tranquility was the target of the DDOS attacks. |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6019 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:09:01 -
[157] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: I don't need to understand how the interwebs works, so if you wish to insult me knowledge of how it does work go ahead, it is quite plainly irrelevant. I also know that if I went around screwing my customers out of 4 days of work every quarter, I'd be out of business in a hurry. Yawn. It is simple. Service paid for in advance. Service not recieved. It doesn't get any simpler. Tranquility was the target not "the general interwebs" nor, my "personal internet connection." I knew it! Your expertise is contracts, but not the internet. You have no idea how the internet works, but believe that to be irrelevant to your case. You are wrong. CCP does not provide the internet, they provide Tranquility. Tranquility was available. The internet between you and CCP was the broken part. A good analogy would help here, and several were provided earlier, but you ignored them, so I'll stick to this case. The service CCP provides does not include the internet. They provide game servers and game data and an account for you to login to and play on their servers, and they connect it to the internet to make it accessible to you. Their liability and ability to provide service ends at their connection to the internet. If you knew a little more about how the internet worked, you might see things differently. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
 Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1250 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:10:47 -
[158] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: Yeh u gonna tell us all is fine again falcon clearly it's not, 4th day in a row but yeh all is fine no? Because its CCP's fault that some random got pissed off at his alliance leader's decision to drop sov, or evac, or whatever. Maybe mommy took away his credit card because he spent too much money on purple-fit Navy Ravens. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 117 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:12:48 -
[159] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did. And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem. true you paid them, still no proof that they benefited from this, for all we know you are the one who chose not to avail their services. how can they be sure that you are indeed trying to log-in for real? after all their servers are fine. maybe you are just riding the wave and just want to seize the oppurtunity to take an advantage? again, the burden of proof is on you, try again. do you even know how a contract works? I actually don't need to prove anything to you, your dis-Honor. sure i do, but i am the one usually giving the service. so i won't let some wierdo to have my way with me. i asked you a couple of times which obligation CCP didn't fullfill that you think violated your right? you keep saying that, "i paid therefore i'll receive". well honey, it ain't that easy. you can give all your money to CCP, if what you're asking is beyond their obligation, you won't get *******. Just Add Water |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:13:34 -
[160] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: its hardly a contract, you are merely agreeing to some terms which state they dont guarantee the service to be active 100% of the time yeah, thats called a contract bud. And saying "you will pay us for a service that we don't gaurantee we can provide" is unfair terms which unduly benefit the offeror (which are always ammended in the favor of the consumer) |
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1537 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:22:26 -
[161] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: So I should bear the cost of it? All of the people affected should collectively bear the cost? CCP has insurance for that sort of thing, the consumer does not. And tranquility was NOT up the whole time, tranquility was the target of the DDOS attacks. You need to understand that Tranquility can be up and humming along nicely, but you still can't access it because something else on the Internet, which may or may not be a third-party service directly attached to Tranquility, is down or under attack. This used to happen more frequently: I still remember regular amounts of rage when Amazon's mass emails would knock over some poor little server that they happened to get routed through. In this case, CCP is in your position only much more so, where they're paying a large amount of money for bandwidth for Tranquility, and it's being denied to them by the DDOS attack. There are links in this thread showing how DDOS attacks work. You should really take some time to educate yourself. The client's communication with the server is NOT a direct transaction between you and CCP. You don't have insurance on your payment, incidentally, because it's not worth insuring $10/month. For what CCP pays for hosting and bandwidth, insurance makes perfect sense. And that's essentially what you're doing. You're freaking out over a temporary loss of access to a cheap entertainment service. You know what? I don't have a terribly good connection to Tranquility either, so I'm playing Elder Scrolls Online. The amount of money I'm "losing" to the interruption of service wouldn't even get me a coffee. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X! |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 342 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:22:38 -
[162] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: "I am trying to stand on two feet but one is in quicksand." I don't need to understand how the interwebs works, . Ignorance confessed. Operation successful. With your history of misquoting that's interesting. However, show me where I need to understand how the internet works to know that when I pay for a service its either supplied or money back? Consumer rights bud, has absolutely JACK to do with the interwebs, so sue me, I don't NEED to know how it works, thats why I pay people to do that work for me...you know like CCP gets paid to provide me with 4 days of air...oh wait, that wasn't what I paid for. i would hate to work for your internet company godforbid your internet going down for 5 minutes EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6020 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:23:29 -
[163] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: So I should bear the cost of it? All of the people affected should collectively bear the cost? CCP has insurance for that sort of thing, the consumer does not. And tranquility was NOT up the whole time, tranquility was the target of the DDOS attacks. Tranquility was most certainly up the whole time. 2 of my characters lost connection, but one stayed connected. When CCP Falcon said that Tranquility was the target, he was simplifying things for laymen like yourself. Tranquility does not respond to these pings and discards DDoS traffic. Tranquility was just fine and kept on simulating spaceships. What happened was the network, a collection of computers that route internet traffic from place to place, became congested with too much traffic, and some of it was unable to get through in a timely fashion. This is what a DDoS attack does - flood the network with traffic so that legitimate traffic has trouble getting through. Different points on this network can be targeted, and the target here was apparently the front door to Tranquility. Hundreds of thousands of network packets arrived on Tranquility's front door, and asked to come in and play, and Tranquility politely ignored those improper requests and allowed the proper requests that reached the front door to come right in. But network packets are a fickle bunch, and they don't have a lot of patience. This is because they live very short lives. When the front door to CCP becomes so clogged with packets trying to get in, some of the packets just wont live long enough to make it to the front door. If network packets were allowed to have long lives, the internet would be absolutely filled with packets and clogged to the brim and nothing would ever get anywhere. But at no time did Tranquility go down, become non-functional, or even get rebooted. Your packets just couldn't get in because of all the jerks trying to flood the front door. That's not CCP's fault or yours. It's just a fact of life on the internet. Hopefully now you know a little more about how the internet works. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:26:12 -
[164] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: Lan Wang wrote: its hardly a contract, you are merely agreeing to some terms which state they dont guarantee the service to be active 100% of the time yeah, thats called a contract bud. And saying "you will pay us for a service that we don't gaurantee we can provide" is unfair terms which unduly benefit the offeror (which are always ammended in the favor of the consumer) do you realise how silly your argument actually sounds? Contract 1) n. an agreement with specific terms between two or more persons or entities in which there is a promise to do something in return for a valuable benefit known as consideration. Since the law of contracts is at the heart of most business dealings, it is one of the three or four most significant areas of legal concern and can involve variations on circumstances and complexities. The existence of a contract requires finding the following factual elements: a) an offer; b) an acceptance of that offer which results in a meeting of the minds; c) a promise to perform; d) a valuable consideration (which can be a promise or payment in some form); e) a time or event when performance must be made (meet commitments); f) terms and conditions for performance, including fulfilling promises; g) performance. Learn it, you'll use it every day of your life. |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10710 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:26:43 -
[165] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: And saying "you will pay us for a service that we don't gaurantee we can provide" is unfair terms which unduly benefit the offeror (which are always ammended in the favor of the consumer) This is what you agree to when you pay your sub. Allow me to introduce you to the CONTRACT you signed. http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/?_ga=1.119401097.1006405533.1429024243 Quote: NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures. |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10710 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:29:02 -
[166] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: Lan Wang wrote: its hardly a contract, you are merely agreeing to some terms which state they dont guarantee the service to be active 100% of the time yeah, thats called a contract bud. And saying "you will pay us for a service that we don't gaurantee we can provide" is unfair terms which unduly benefit the offeror (which are always ammended in the favor of the consumer) do you realise how silly your argument actually sounds? Contract 1) n. an agreement with specific terms between two or more persons or entities in which there is a promise to do something in return for a valuable benefit known as consideration. Since the law of contracts is at the heart of most business dealings, it is one of the three or four most significant areas of legal concern and can involve variations on circumstances and complexities. The existence of a contract requires finding the following factual elements: a) an offer; b) an acceptance of that offer which results in a meeting of the minds; c) a promise to perform; d) a valuable consideration (which can be a promise or payment in some form); e) a time or event when performance must be made (meet commitments); f) terms and conditions for performance, including fulfilling promises; g) performance. Learn it, you'll use it every day of your life. Learn the contract you signed. |
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1540 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:30:03 -
[167] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Contract 1) n. an agreement with specific terms between two or more persons or entities in which there is a promise to do something in return for a valuable benefit known as consideration. I believe that you'll find that CCP's contract takes into account the fact that there's a famously uncontrollable and occasionally unreliable medium connecting the client to the server, and that CCP is not liable for what happens in that medium. Tranquility's been up, and it's been hooked up to the Internet on a fat, expensive pipe. That is the extent of CCP's responsibility, because they cannot possibly be responsible for anything beyond that. You can shout "CONTRACTS!" until you're blue in the face, and it simply can't change anything about that simple reality. Go for a walk in a park or something. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X! |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:31:15 -
[168] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Hopefully now you know a little more about how the internet works. Wow, a civil response, thanks for the education on it. It still does not mean CCP didn't get unjustly enriched by the attacks, unjust enrichment does not require it to be their fault, simply for them to recieve a payment for a service they were unable, at the time, to provide. |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10710 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:36:59 -
[169] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: War Kitten wrote: Hopefully now you know a little more about how the internet works. Wow, a civil response, thanks for the education on it. It still does not mean CCP didn't get unjustly enriched by the attacks, unjust enrichment does not require it to be their fault, simply for them to recieve a payment for a service they were unable, at the time, to provide. "Unjustly enriched" means they received money (or some other kind of consideration) while not providing the service in the way they said they would. In the contract you signed, they covered that, and you you STILL decided to give them money even though they told you "we don't guarantee you will have access to the system when you want". The problem is that you didn't read the contract you signed, not that CCP did anything wrong. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1318 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:38:06 -
[170] - Quote Thread summary added to the fourth post. Hopefully it will save some people from wasting their time on this thread.  CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 343 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:38:10 -
[171] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: War Kitten wrote: Hopefully now you know a little more about how the internet works. Wow, a civil response, thanks for the education on it. It still does not mean CCP didn't get unjustly enriched by the attacks, unjust enrichment does not require it to be their fault, simply for them to recieve a payment for a service they were unable, at the time, to provide. http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/sony-psn-hacking-lawsuit-thrown-out-by-judge-1106766 Key Points: A California district judge threw out the charges, saying "there is no such thing as perfect security." But Battaglia ruled that the data was stolen by a "criminal intrusion of Sony's Network. Plaintiffs do not allege that Sony was in any way involved with the data breach." Battaglia added: "There is no such thing as perfect security. We cannot ensure or warrant the security of any information transmitted to us." you are expecting to be provided with perfect service which is not possible and ccp have highlighted this in the eula everyone knows that sometimes internety things go down for reasons nobody really understands or cares to understand you just want some free stuff which would cost more than the probable $1 disruption it actually cost you EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6022 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:43:18 -
[172] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: War Kitten wrote: Hopefully now you know a little more about how the internet works. Wow, a civil response, thanks for the education on it. It still does not mean CCP didn't get unjustly enriched by the attacks, unjust enrichment does not require it to be their fault, simply for them to recieve a payment for a service they were unable, at the time, to provide. A simple Googling of "Unjust Enrichment" has educated me as well, and I find another way in which you may be wrong: "Recovery on a theory of unjust enrichment typically occurs where there was no contract between the parties, or a contract turns out to be invalid." You've got a contract that is quite valid with CCP. And they kept their end of the bargain as described in said contract. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 117 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 15:47:47 -
[173] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: War Kitten wrote: Hopefully now you know a little more about how the internet works. Wow, a civil response, thanks for the education on it. It still does not mean CCP didn't get unjustly enriched by the attacks, unjust enrichment does not require it to be their fault, simply for them to recieve a payment for a service they were unable, at the time, to provide. again, they did not benefited from this. yes you paid, but it is also you who chose NOT to avail of their services because somebody is DDoSing your network. Just Add Water |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1318 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:11:47 -
[174] - Quote Anyone else getting a load of mails from Ecklectrix that they just keep clicking "Delete" upon receiving? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:14:04 -
[175] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Oh I read it, however they can not then sell a 30 day game card, if they can not guarantee 30 days of continual play - or in the case where 30 days of continual play can not be achieved, they are still required to provide the equivalent of 30 days of availability. If the server was unavailable, as it was to a freaking truck load of people, then there is no continual play, no continual 30 days. Pay for 30 days, get 30 days, you keep trying to complicate it. If its not a big deal to you, then pay the 4 days for me. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:19:20 -
[176] - Quote Dersen Lowery wrote: The amount of money I'm "losing" to the interruption of service wouldn't even get me a coffee. Yes but 1/3rd of a coffee times thousands of players with the same problem = a lot of money If other people want to forfeit their money to CCP they are welcome to, I feel that if I pay for something, I should get what was promised. I keep my end of the bargain by paying on time, they simply need to keep theirs. It's a very simple contract, and no matter how much people keep trying to say it, they can not put terms in their contract that absolve them of all responsibility and liability, it just doesn't work that way - EULA's are rarely worth the virtual ink they are printed on. |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10711 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:21:44 -
[177] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Oh I read it, however they can not then sell a 30 day game card, if they can not guarantee 30 days of continual play - or in the case where 30 days of continual play can not be achieved, they are still required to provide the equivalent of 30 days of availability. If the server was unavailable, as it was to a freaking truck load of people, then there is no continual play, no continual 30 days. Pay for 30 days, get 30 days, you keep trying to complicate it. If its not a big deal to you, then pay the 4 days for me. You are experiencing this right now.. The contract you signed is clear, CCP doesn't owe you or me or anyone anything, period. If you disagree, the contract you signed also assigns any such disagreements to this place where you can take it up: Quote: The sole and exclusive forum for resolving any controversy, dispute or claim arising out of or relating to the EULA, or otherwise relating to any rights in, access to or use of the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content and/or the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland, (H+¬ra+¦sd+¦mur Reykjav+¡kur). So go file a case with them. That way (since you don't want to understand what mutiple people and the contract you signed says) a judge can tell you (in Icelandic or whatever the hell they speak) that no one owes you so much as a single a dime, and you signed the contract that says no one owes you a dime. Good luck with your U.S. $2 law suit. That's how much 'money' you lost. |
 Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 338 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:22:42 -
[178] - Quote Iam The Flash wrote: How is it not their fault? Nothing else stopped working for me. Three server conenctions to work stayed up, 2 x FTP clients working fine, teamspeak working fine, skype working fine. No issue with youtube or ctrlaltdel online either. Yeh three eve accounts shut down n refuse to connect And it's not their fault? lol much m8 Miner calm down! |
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1542 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:25:52 -
[179] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Dersen Lowery wrote: The amount of money I'm "losing" to the interruption of service wouldn't even get me a coffee. Yes but 1/3rd of a coffee times thousands of players with the same problem = a lot of money If other people want to forfeit their money to CCP they are welcome to, I feel that if I pay for something, I should get what was promised. . And for the last time, you are getting what you paid for. CCP has supplied you with a client and a server. The client launches. The server is up. You're welcome to continue to see the plain truth as uncivil, I suppose, but it doesn't change the plain truth. Stop blaming CCP for an anonymous assault that's costing them a whole hell of a lot more than it's costing you. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X! |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:28:05 -
[180] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The contract you signed is clear, CCP doesn't owe you or me or anyone anything, period. Oh really, so if you say, go to McDonalds, order and pay for a burger and they stare blankly at you and say "oops sorry our grill isn't working, but we're keeping your money" You'd say that would be ok right? Jenn aSide wrote: If you disagree, the contract you signed also assigns any such disagreements to this place where you can take it up: Quote: The sole and exclusive forum for resolving any controversy, dispute or claim arising out of or relating to the EULA, or otherwise relating to any rights in, access to or use of the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content and/or the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be the District Court of Reykjav+¡k, Iceland, (H+¬ra+¦sd+¦mur Reykjav+¡kur). So go file a case with them. That way (since you don't want to understand what mutiple people and the contract you signed says) a judge can tell you (in Icelandic or whatever the hell they speak) that no one owes you so much as a single a dime, and you signed the contract that says no one owes you a dime. Didn't say they owed me a dime either, just said they owed me what I paid them for, the terms of my subscription = 30 days. Simples. 1. Never signed a contract, There is no wet signiature, if I did, I rescind it now. I "accepted" the offer symbolically by clicking accept and paying money (in return for service). 2. Contracts can not contain terms absolving the oferror of all of their obligations for the service they were contracted to engage in. (This would be an awesome world you live in, you pay your mechanic to fix your brakes, only he doesn't bother because well he wrote that he doesn't have to) 3. Performance is a sepcific part of the contract, and they were unable to. 4. I already know where to take my complaint, I read the EULA thoroughly, and you've misinterpreted what it states. 5. All complaints must first be attempted to be resolved with the party BEFORE going to a court of law (if you knew something about it, you would already know that) Otherwise the judge will just recommend mediation FIRST. So, CCP...lets communicate. I've sent you support tickets (no answer), It's been a good few days of discussion on here (no answer). |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1318 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:34:31 -
[181] - Quote Ecklectrix has received four pages of attention so far. "None so blind as those who do not wish to see." CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:36:57 -
[182] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ecklectrix has received four pages of attention so far. "None so blind as those who do not wish to see." Didn't ask for it, merely responding to people that continually think they can speak on behalf of CCP. Would have been happier with CCP Falcon sending me a message a few days ago, or any other CCP Rep. And you've just had to chime in pretty much on every page, to add what? Internet memes? You can't come up with something witty on your own? Your gang stalking EVE players are starting to shine through on this post, CCP. |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10711 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:45:56 -
[183] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Oh really, so if you say, go to McDonalds, order and pay for a burger and they stare blankly at you and say "oops sorry our grill isn't working, but we're keeping your money" You'd say that would be ok right? If I signed a contract going in the door that says "we can't promise you any food", yea, if I was dumb enough to sign it,, it would indeed be ok. Quote: Didn't say they owed me a dime either, just said they owed me what I paid them for, the terms of my subscription = 30 days. Simples. 1. Never signed a contract, There is no wet signiature, if I did, I rescind it now. I "accepted" the offer symbolically by clicking accept and paying money (in return for service). 2. Contracts can not contain terms absolving the oferror of all of their obligations for the service they were contracted to engage in. (This would be an awesome world you live in, you pay your mechanic to fix your brakes, only he doesn't bother because well he wrote that he doesn't have to) 3. Performance is a sepcific part of the contract, and they were unable to. 4. I already know where to take my complaint, I read the EULA thoroughly, and you've misinterpreted what it states. 5. All complaints must first be attempted to be resolved with the party BEFORE going to a court of law (if you knew something about it, you would already know that) Otherwise the judge will just recommend mediation FIRST. So, CCP...lets communicate. I've sent you support tickets (no answer), It's been a good few days of discussion on here (no answer). Be sure to come here and tell us when CCP doesn't give you anything (because that would open some very bad flood gates. Also don't hesitate to let us know how your law suit goes. |
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1544 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:48:09 -
[184] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The contract you signed is clear, CCP doesn't owe you or me or anyone anything, period. Oh really, so if you say, go to McDonalds, order and pay for a burger and they stare blankly at you and say "oops sorry our grill isn't working, but we're keeping your money" You'd say that would be ok right? None so blind as those who will not see. CCP Falcon already answered, BTW. All you have to do is open your eyes. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X! |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6024 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:50:43 -
[185] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The contract you signed is clear, CCP doesn't owe you or me or anyone anything, period. Oh really, so if you say, go to McDonalds, order and pay for a burger and they stare blankly at you and say "oops sorry our grill isn't working, but we're keeping your money" You'd say that would be ok right? But that analogy is incorrect. What you've done is order takeout food, and it is sitting hot and ready, waiting for you to come pick it up. You just couldn't get through the front because a mob was outside protesting Obamacare or something. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1319 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:53:17 -
[186] - Quote It is fun seeing Jenn aSide and Ecklectrix knocking their heads together. *Popcorn* CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:55:13 -
[187] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Oh really, so if you say, go to McDonalds, order and pay for a burger and they stare blankly at you and say "oops sorry our grill isn't working, but we're keeping your money" You'd say that would be ok right? If I signed a contract going in the door that says "we can't promise you any food", yea, if I was dumb enough to sign it,, it would indeed be ok.[/quote] I am so glad I don't contract with you. Try it, try selling someone your car but having a clause that renegs on the deal, see how long it takes before you have to give it back. If you're so sure contracts work this way, just try it out on your own. Call me from prison later ok? I'd be interested in how you're settling in. Jenn aSide wrote: Be sure to come here and tell us when CCP doesn't give you anything (because that would open some very bad flood gates. Also don't hesitate to let us know how your law suit goes. Yeah yeah, I'll do that, cos communicating with you is top daily priority for me, I can just call you and let you know - which correctional centre are you likely to be housed in? |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 343 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:55:15 -
[188] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ecklectrix has received four pages of attention so far. "None so blind as those who do not wish to see." Didn't ask for it, merely responding to people that continually think they can speak on behalf of CCP. Would have been happier with CCP Falcon sending me a message a few days ago, or any other CCP Rep. And you've just had to chime in pretty much on every page, to add what? Internet memes? You can't come up with something witty on your own? Your gang stalking EVE players are starting to shine through on this thread, CCP. Have you submitted a support ticket or are you just expecting ccp falcon to single you out and send you a message? EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 51 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 16:57:26 -
[189] - Quote I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days Then what? I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed? |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:00:15 -
[190] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Have you submitted a support ticket or are you just expecting ccp falcon to single you out and send you a message? As I mentioned - support ticket done, no response. Complaints here done, no response. it actually wouldn't bother me so much, except it's not the first time that CCP milked my wallet and got away with it. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1319 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:05:49 -
[191] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days Then what? I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed? Lan Wang wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: QUESTION! What if theoretically for the next 30 days these attacks happen multiple times a day. Will it then be a problem worthy of compensation? If so, what is the cut off point from no compensation to compensation? 10days? 15days? 7days? 30days? You cant tell me with a straight face if this happens everyday for a month even if it aint ccps fault that we should continue to be charged. you make it sound like your forced into paying money to ccp, its a games company not the government you are well within your rights to desub and file a dispute with paypal or credit card company to reverse your last months payment CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:06:21 -
[192] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days Then what? I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed? According to some people on here, that would just be tough luck. In reality, yes, they *should* give some kind of compensation, what they should do, and what they will do may not be the same thing, sadly. |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10711 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:11:53 -
[193] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: I am so glad I don't contract with you. Try it, try selling someone your car but having a clause that renegs on the deal, see how long it takes before you have to give it back (or go to prison). If you're so sure contracts work this way, just try it out on your own. Call me from prison later ok? I'd be interested in how you're settling in. This is not what CCP did. CCP was the VICTIM of an attack. The proper analogy would be: I sold someone a car. A month later someone who is not me stole the car. Now the owner of the car wants me to give them their money back. In the same way CCP doesn't owe you a thing because of criminal activity they didn't do, I wouldn't owe the guy I sold the car to anything. I'm sorry you can't get this. But that brings up the question, if you are so sensitive about this kind of issue (you say it happened before), why would you continue to give CCP money? It's like getting robbed, finding the robber and handing him your watch because he forgot to take it. Quote: Yeah yeah, I'll do that, cos communicating with you is top daily priority for me, I can just call you and let you know - which correctional centre are you likely to be housed in? Son, for the last 17 years I've been putting people in jails. Because I understand how actual reality works and don't flip out because a game company won'ty give me 2 bucks worth of game time when someone else attacks them, I wouln't be the one going to jail... |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10711 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:18:17 -
[194] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days Then what? I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed? That's your choice. You could unsub till the problem is resolved by someone. The problem with a lot of people who always cry for reimbursement is that they have this feeling that SOMEONE should do something for them if they suffer a loss. They don't actually care who is at fault. Truth is, the only people at fault are the attackers. If they keep you from playing EVE for 30 days it's they who owe you 30 days of game time. choosing to punish a victim for the actions of a criminal is wrong no matter how you cut it. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:20:31 -
[195] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: This is not what CCP did. CCP was the VICTIM of an attack. The proper analogy would be: I sold someone a car. A month later someone who is not me stole the car. Now the owner of the car wants me to give them their money back. Wow, this analogy is way off the reality. If you want to use that analogy at least be realistic. I paid you up front for the car, and when I arrived it was already stolen. You decide to keep my money, even though you are unable to provide me with the car that I paid you for. Actually, you owe me the money which is actually MY money, because you never brought to the table what you were paid to provide. I'm sorry you can't get this. Quote: Son, for the last 17 years I've been putting people in jails. Because I understand how actual reality works and don't flip out because a game company won'ty give me 2 bucks worth of game time when someone else attacks them, I wouln't be the one going to jail... I'm not your Son, you condescending flic. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:22:36 -
[196] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days Then what? I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed? That's your choice. You could unsub till the problem is resolved by someone. The problem with a lot of people who always cry for reimbursement is that they have this feeling that SOMEONE should do something for them if they suffer a loss. They don't actually care who is at fault. Truth is, the only people at fault are the attackers. If they keep you from playing EVE for 30 days it's they who owe you 30 days of game time. choosing to punish a victim for the actions of a criminal is wrong no matter how you cut it. No, the person that needs to provide remedy is the person you contract with. They then need to persue the 3rd party that did criminal damage to them, It is not the person who contracted the middle man (as an agent to provide a service) to persue the criminal for damages. |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1320 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:23:02 -
[197] - Quote The funny thing is that with all the typing Ecklectrix has done, in that time they could have played, enjoyed the game and probably earned enough ISK to buy the portion of a PLEX that they are crying about. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10711 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:23:55 -
[198] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: I'm not your Son, you condescending flic. Be glad of that, you'd be tasting belt leather right now if you was my son (that would learn ya!), and not in the good way people pay for in Amsterdam. Side note, on the way to start your lawsuit in Iceland you should detour to Amsterdam and find the hotel by the river with a whip on it's sign. Good times. |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10711 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:25:00 -
[199] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: No, the person that needs to provide remedy is the person you contract with. They then need to persue the 3rd party that did criminal damage to them, It is not the person who contracted the middle man (as an agent to provide a service) to persue the criminal for damages. This is what entitlement looks like folks. |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 344 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:29:20 -
[200] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: No, the person that needs to provide remedy is the person you contract with. They then need to persue the 3rd party that did criminal damage to them, It is not the person who contracted the middle man (as an agent to provide a service) to persue the criminal for damages. This is what entitlement looks like folks. Yeah because victims pursue criminals all the time, compensation also comes from the criminal once caught EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1321 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:31:52 -
[201] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: It won't be long until the troll starts blaming CCP for wearing a short skirt and deserving it.Yeah because victims pursue criminals all the time, compensation also comes from the criminal once caught CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
CCP Falcon 11215 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:46:18 -
[202] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: As it stands now, there is no indication of how CCP intend to make restitution to those that were affected. Okay, so to bring your trolling to an end in this thread, I'll be super direct: We don't intend to make restitution for the effects of a DDoS attack that was completely out of our control. After almost 10 pages of angry and inconsiderate posting, this is fair warning that if you persist in trolling in this thread, you'll be subject to the same forum rules as everyone else, and will be reprimanded as such. CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:46:41 -
[203] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: No, the person that needs to provide remedy is the person you contract with. They then need to persue the 3rd party that did criminal damage to them, It is not the person who contracted the middle man (as an agent to provide a service) to persue the criminal for damages. This is what entitlement looks like folks. Yeah because victims pursue criminals all the time, compensation also comes from the criminal once caught No compensation is not paid, damages are paid by the criminal. (there is a difference) And that still would not resolve the work that the other party was contracted to do. The vendor compensates the equity provider, then makes a claim on insurance which covers their expenses. In the mean time, the insurance company is usually the one who either decides to persue the criminal for damages, or if it's not financially viable, to let the matter pass. The vendor is still at some point obligated to make whole the equity provider. If they are unable to do so, they then are in breach of trust, and things only go downhill from there for the vendor (in this case CCP is the vendor, or "seller") |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 346 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:48:07 -
[204] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: No, the person that needs to provide remedy is the person you contract with. They then need to persue the 3rd party that did criminal damage to them, It is not the person who contracted the middle man (as an agent to provide a service) to persue the criminal for damages. This is what entitlement looks like folks. Yeah because victims pursue criminals all the time, compensation also comes from the criminal once caught No compensation is not paid, damages are paid by the criminal. (there is a difference) And that still would not resolve the work that the other party was contracted to do. The vendor compensates the equity provider, then makes a claim on insurance which covers their expenses. In the mean time, the insurance company is usually the one who either decides to persue the criminal for damages, or if it's not financially viable, to let the matter pass. The vendor is still at some point obligated to make whole the equity provider. If they are unable to do so, they then are in breach of trust, and things only go downhill from there for the vendor (in this case CCP is the vendor, or "seller") Ok lets just leave it at that EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 117 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:53:57 -
[205] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: As it stands now, there is no indication of how CCP intend to make restitution to those that were affected. Okay, so to bring your trolling to an end in this thread, I'll be super direct: We don't intend to make restitution for the effects of a DDoS attack that was completely out of our control. After almost 10 pages of angry and inconsiderate posting, this is fair warning that if you persist in trolling in this thread, you'll be subject to the same forum rules as everyone else, and will be reprimanded as such. thank you! o7 Just Add Water |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10716 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:56:45 -
[206] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: As it stands now, there is no indication of how CCP intend to make restitution to those that were affected. Okay, so to bring your trolling to an end in this thread, I'll be super direct: We don't intend to make restitution for the effects of a DDoS attack that was completely out of our control. After almost 10 pages of angry and inconsiderate posting, this is fair warning that if you persist in trolling in this thread, you'll be subject to the same forum rules as everyone else, and will be reprimanded as such. Hashtag FALCON PUNCH |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6025 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 17:58:34 -
[207] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: As it stands now, there is no indication of how CCP intend to make restitution to those that were affected. Okay, so to bring your trolling to an end in this thread, I'll be super direct: We don't intend to make restitution for the effects of a DDoS attack that was completely out of our control. After almost 10 pages of angry and inconsiderate posting, this is fair warning that if you persist in trolling in this thread, you'll be subject to the same forum rules as everyone else, and will be reprimanded as such. A wild CCP Falcon appears. The internet lawyer is slain. And there was much rejoicing! I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
 Paranoid Loyd 4669 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 18:04:35 -
[208] - Quote "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 18:29:53 -
[209] - Quote Where is this actual post from CCP Falcon? All I see is someone "quoting" it. Ah nm its nearer the top. I missed it. |
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10717 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 18:31:19 -
[210] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Where is this actual post from CCP Falcon? All I see is someone "quoting" it. Ah nm its nearer the top. I missed it. Damn, you got knocked down so hard your vision is imparied? Falcon needs to get a License for that punch of his. Geeze  |
Jenshae Chiroptera 1323 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 18:31:28 -
[211] - Quote Remember to apply to the corporation "Interstellar Nuclear Penguins" in game, so that you too can enjoy even more fun and adventure! CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom. |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6027 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 18:56:22 -
[212] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Where is this actual post from CCP Falcon? All I see is someone "quoting" it. Ah nm its nearer the top. I missed it. We all had the same idea at the same time to quote the same thing that we assumed CCP Falcon would write, just like we all must have read the EULA and TOS incorrectly, but you got it right. Or maybe you're still not reading clearly before you post. Occam's Razor. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
 EvilweaselSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1044 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 19:21:19 -
[213] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Where is this actual post from CCP Falcon? All I see is someone "quoting" it. Ah nm its nearer the top. I missed it. anyone who wants to help send this guy to jita should help us invade delve :sun: |
Dradis Aulmais Jump On Contact Sock Puppet Federation 762 |
Posted - 2015.04.14 20:31:18 -
[214] - Quote Anyone else got bingo? I hit "I know the law" "Rawr I want ... Cuz CCP ****** up" "I'm right your a troll" "Everyone should shut up and listen to me" "Surprise a right answer I'm to dumb to get" Bar Certified General Counsel Attorney at Law Crime and Punishment JAG Gallente Federal Navy Clients Deep Space Mining Corp *Brave Crewmen of the Brave Corporations * Quafe |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 07:21:04 -
[215] - Quote The thing is guys, I don't give a flying toss what you think of me or my complaint. In less than a week you'll be on to bullying your next victim, and gang stalking and mobbing someone else. This thread and my comments, and your comments will fade into obscurity and maybe at a bbq in 5 years time you'll be all like oh yeah remember that time....I seriously doubt it will even make your annual bbq. In more than 7 years of playing eve, these are my only posts. This was posted because it is not particularly fair that paying customers should have to bear the cost of CCP being attacked by 3rd parties. It's not fair the 3rd party exists at all and seeks to disrupt their business, but it sure as hell isn't my fault. In fact it seems to me the DDOS attacks are in direct response to policy changes made recently by CCP. These policy changes (which I happen to agree with for the record) make the game environment better, but have obviously had additional unforseen consequences by alienating people that have decided to take illegal action against CCP. Again, not my fault, and yet the money I pay to CCP is now affected as a result. It is also not great that it takes days to get a response when all that was required was a simple statement from someone in an official capacity. In addition their support ticket system not working. I can see you are all celebrating and dancing around, and this is the kind of behaviour I expect from the eve community. Just explain to me how you consider that to be acceptable behaviour? I just wonder how far you will push someone else with less thick skin than I have? Go about your day, by tomorrow you will forget I even exist. |
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 304 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 07:35:58 -
[216] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: The thing is guys, I don't give a flying toss what you think of me or my complaint. So stop posting and biomass your character because GOD DAMN son. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1913 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 07:37:57 -
[217] - Quote Lies. If you didn't care, you wouldn't nonsensically keep posting and argueing on a public board about something you have no chance of getting. You are agenda posting. You are doing this intentionally. No one sane would keep behaving like that. No one sane would keep needing to tell others how he deserves something, completely ignoring that there is no way posting here will get you anything. The sane person would not post at all and instead go the route that's intended. You are nothing more than Fake and you know damn well that GD is full of unreasonable people who can not see how they are being manipulated and played. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 07:53:45 -
[218] - Quote Vicky Somers wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: The thing is guys, I don't give a flying toss what you think of me or my complaint. So stop posting and biomass your character because GOD DAMN son. I am not your son. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 07:55:02 -
[219] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Lies. If you didn't care, you wouldn't nonsensically keep posting and argueing on a public board about something you have no chance of getting. You are agenda posting. You are doing this intentionally. No one sane would keep behaving like that. No one sane would keep needing to tell others how he deserves something, completely ignoring that there is no way posting here will get you anything. The sane person would not post at all and instead go the route that's intended. You are nothing more than Fake and you know damn well that GD is full of unreasonable people who can not see how they are being manipulated and played. Another fine example of the sort of posting that is selectively allowed when it suits. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1914 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:01:36 -
[220] - Quote Oh I missed the Falcon Punch! Well ... what are you going to do now? As predicted, you won't get a thing. :) Your hate yielded nothing. Thanks for being here! This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
 BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Snuggle Society Snuggle Society. 1636 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:08:47 -
[221] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: They got paid for a service that was not provided. Yes they did. And if CCP suffered damages, they are within their right to persue the party that caused the DDOS attacks and seek damages from them, that however, is not my problem. true you paid them, still no proof that they benefited from this, for all we know you are the one who chose not to avail their services. how can they be sure that you are indeed trying to log-in for real? after all their servers are fine. maybe you are just riding the wave and just want to seize the oppurtunity to take an advantage? again, the burden of proof is on you, try again. do you even know how a contract works? I actually don't need to prove anything to you, your dis-Honor. So, you go buy something online. The company mails you the product using a carrier service. The package is stolen in transit. Who is liable? New Player Placement Specialist and Scope Project FC. Contact me for a free consultation. |
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 304 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:09:29 -
[222] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: I am not your son. That much is obvious since I would never tolerate that sort of behaviour. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:14:38 -
[223] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Oh I missed the Falcon Punch! Well ... what are you going to do now? As predicted, you won't get a thing. :) Your hate yielded nothing. Thanks for being here! Your hate is yielding what exactly? You seem to be a serial bullier. Does it make you feel better to treat people this way, what motivates you? |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:15:24 -
[224] - Quote Vicky Somers wrote: Ecklectrix wrote: I am not your son. That much is obvious since I would never tolerate that sort of behaviour. Then keep your condescending remarks to yourself, or accept that you are an internet bully. |
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers 252 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:17:59 -
[225] - Quote the moment this guy posted his shite everyone knew it's just the same shite different day,, give me stuff CCP or i will (insert random threat) if any legal action was ever going to happen it would never have been spoken about on the forums. some people are just never happy, i had a guy in corp once who got DC'd 3 time in one week after playing for a year with no trouble, he went nuts, CCP went out of their way to help the guy, they proved to him that it was his ISP at fault. he quit the game,,,,, lol best bit...... he lost 3 batteleships to npc's over this. he gave everything he had to corp. when i was finished collecting it,, there was well over 20 billion worth of shite and he was pissed over 3 battleships... some people are just never happy. i work in supprt myself some people think we're sitting around waiting just for them to ring in for help, sure i have a team of 20 guys to just drop everything and come running to rub your forehead and calm you down when you can't understand why a third party event that's got nothing to do with us and is out of our control has denied you access to an external server.like i said,,, same shite different day. |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 351 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:20:06 -
[226] - Quote cant everyone just draw a line under this and sort it all out in a big bubble in nullsec somewhere EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6033 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:24:51 -
[227] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: In fact it seems to me the DDOS attacks are in direct response to policy changes made recently by CCP. These policy changes (which I happen to agree with for the record) make the game environment better, but have obviously had additional unforseen consequences by alienating people that have decided to take illegal action against CCP. Again, not my fault, and yet the money I pay to CCP is now affected as a result. Objection your honor! I would think someone so well versed with the law (as you claim) would know the difference between fact and speculation. Your supposition is not grounds to build a case. Quote: It is also not great that it takes days to get a response when all that was required was a simple statement from someone in an official capacity. In addition their support ticket system not working. You didn't get an immediate response because you're off your rocker thinking CCP is at fault for internet issues. Like I said before, you're not the first to think this, and you won't be the last. Unfortunately in your case, ignorance seems to be winning out despite all the knowledge we've tried to impart to you. Quote: I can see you are all celebrating and dancing around, and this is the kind of behaviour I expect from the eve community. Just explain to me how you consider that to be acceptable behaviour? I just wonder how far you will push someone else with less thick skin than I have? Go about your day, by tomorrow you will forget I even exist. Nope, it's tomorrow, you've been told by every single person in this thread, including CCP Falcon, that you're barking up the wrong tree. The amusement continues. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 351 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:27:29 -
[228] - Quote tbh honest he probably didnt get an fast response because he is probably not the only person trying to get something for free from ccp EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Dots State Protectorate Caldari State 62 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:27:43 -
[229] - Quote Ecklectrix wrote: In fact it seems to me the DDOS attacks are in direct response to policy changes made recently by CCP. These policy changes (which I happen to agree with for the record) make the game environment better, but have obviously had additional unforseen consequences by alienating people that have decided to take illegal action against CCP. Again, not my fault, and yet the money I pay to CCP is now affected as a result. Granted I've only passed my FYLSE and not the CBX (I'll take my first crack at it in July), it seems like to me you make similar mistakes as people who haven't taken a single law course. CCP's liability is closely associated only with (1) the health of their server, and (2) any direct and adverse contribution CCP's hardware may have had to its network connection with your client. Outside of that, it sets a very bad legal/financial precedent for CCP to take some indirect responsibility for (1) people DDOSing, (2) internet servers losing connections with each other, and (3) your specific hardware faults. Why? Because CCP has no ability to figure out everything that is happening outside of the hardware and network environment that they directly control and own. This limited information will allow these people who are DDOSing CCP to effectively milk CCP for virtual assets and/or server time. It opens the doorway for anyone to walk in and claim a "loss", and CCP is put in a position of honoring it even if they have no ability to collect information to verify what is being claimed. There is no legal burden here. This is not a customer support issue. CCP runs a business which is primarily delivered over the network. Other people are illegally interfering with that delivery, which makes CCP a victim. No legal system worth its salt is in the business of extorting a payment from a victim to satisfy a consumer. On a side note, Ecklectrix.. you really seem to be alienating other people by arguing the way that you are. Even if you were right, from a legal or ethical point of view - I've said above why you're not - you are undermining your position with the way you are communicating. everything is better with ߦêߦÆߦù-ó on it |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1915 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:29:45 -
[230] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: cant everyone just draw a line under this and sort it all out in a big bubble in nullsec somewhere Uhm... this coming from you after being asked to stop it several pages ago .... Yeah, right. It's your fault it got that far in the first place, because you just had to keep eating it. This is GD. The OP knows it, deliberately spreads hate, denies everything as if it wasn't blatantly obvious and ... well ... my next thread will address this I guess. And you know what? You will hate it, because you are a part of the problem. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1915 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:31:05 -
[231] - Quote Anyhow.... CCP FALCON SAID NO! WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STFU ALREADY AND STOP EATING THE BAIT??? THE CASE IS CLOSED! This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 351 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:33:11 -
[232] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Lan Wang wrote: cant everyone just draw a line under this and sort it all out in a big bubble in nullsec somewhere Uhm... this coming from you after being asked to stop it several pages ago .... Yeah, right. It's your fault it got that far in the first place, because you just had to keep eating it. This is GD. The OP knows it, deliberately spreads hate, denies everything as if it wasn't blatantly obvious and ... well ... my next thread will address this I guess. And you know what? You will hate it, because you are a part of the problem. really? i recall seeing you on various slandering posts so dont point the finger at others when your just as bad lol EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:36:33 -
[233] - Quote War Kitten wrote: You didn't get an immediate response because you're off your rocker thinking CCP is at fault for internet issues. Like I said before, you're not the first to think this, and you won't be the last. Unfortunately in your case, ignorance seems to be winning out despite all the knowledge we've tried to impart to you. I'm off my rocker am I? More bullying and insinuation, EULA applied when convenient apparantly. Quote: Nope, it's tomorrow, you've been told by every single person in this thread, including CCP Falcon, that you're barking up the wrong tree. Oh really, so I posted this 30 minutes ago and it's tomorrow already? Thought there were 24 hours in a day? |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:38:25 -
[234] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Anyhow.... CCP FALCON SAID NO! WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STFU ALREADY AND STOP EATING THE BAIT??? THE CASE IS CLOSED! EXPLAINING SOMEONE WHO DELIBERATELY BEHAVES LIKE THIS WHY HE IS BEING UNREASONABLE IS NONSENSE!!! I didnt ever ask you to explain, I asked CCP to explain. In addition, I commented to point out that all of you mobbing me for asking a simple question is plain and simple bullying and gangstalking. I actually thought you might get the picture rather than continue to bully. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1916 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:38:33 -
[235] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Lan Wang wrote: cant everyone just draw a line under this and sort it all out in a big bubble in nullsec somewhere Uhm... this coming from you after being asked to stop it several pages ago .... Yeah, right. It's your fault it got that far in the first place, because you just had to keep eating it. This is GD. The OP knows it, deliberately spreads hate, denies everything as if it wasn't blatantly obvious and ... well ... my next thread will address this I guess. And you know what? You will hate it, because you are a part of the problem. really? i recall seeing you on various slandering posts so dont point the finger at others when your just as bad lol Not comparable. I told people this is pointless and then tried to get the thread locked. Instead I got removed. You though constantly tried to "help" and "explain", which is absolute nonsense considering the person you talked to. It's not the haters who make GD bad. Just like with scammers, if there wasn't victims, there would be no scamming. Just look at the latest code propaganda thread. It's obvious as **** and people just don't use their brain enough to realise. Absolutely most people are easily to manipulate, because they behave predictable! The sad thing is that people REALLY need to be protected mostly from THEMSELVES. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 306 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:40:26 -
[236] - Quote Ugh, please just lock this. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1916 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:41:50 -
[237] - Quote Vicky Somers wrote: Ugh, please just lock this. Seconded. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:43:43 -
[238] - Quote and learn not to bully. Forum is supposed to be a place where people can express their ideas, issue, problems whatever without having to deal with attacks from the likes of this rabble. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:44:49 -
[239] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Lan Wang wrote: cant everyone just draw a line under this and sort it all out in a big bubble in nullsec somewhere Uhm... this coming from you after being asked to stop it several pages ago .... Yeah, right. It's your fault it got that far in the first place, because you just had to keep eating it. This is GD. The OP knows it, deliberately spreads hate, denies everything as if it wasn't blatantly obvious and ... well ... my next thread will address this I guess. And you know what? You will hate it, because you are a part of the problem. really? i recall seeing you on various slandering posts so dont point the finger at others when your just as bad lol Not comparable. I told people this is pointless and then tried to get the thread locked. Instead I got removed. You though constantly tried to "help" and "explain", which is absolute nonsense considering the person you talked to. It's not the haters who make GD bad. Just like with scammers, if there wasn't victims, there would be no scamming. Just look at the latest code propaganda thread. It's obvious as **** and people just don't use their brain enough to realise. Absolutely most people are easily to manipulate, because they behave predictable! The sad thing is that people REALLY need to be protected mostly from THEMSELVES. You are the worst offender with your name calling and hate speech, and defamatory insinuation constantly. |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6034 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:46:39 -
[240] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Anyhow.... CCP FALCON SAID NO! WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STFU ALREADY AND STOP EATING THE BAIT??? THE CASE IS CLOSED! EXPLAINING SOMEONE WHO DELIBERATELY BEHAVES LIKE THIS WHY HE IS BEING UNREASONABLE IS NONSENSE!!! Fight fire with fire. Besides, you're not the boss of me! I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1916 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:50:50 -
[241] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Anyhow.... CCP FALCON SAID NO! WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STFU ALREADY AND STOP EATING THE BAIT??? THE CASE IS CLOSED! EXPLAINING SOMEONE WHO DELIBERATELY BEHAVES LIKE THIS WHY HE IS BEING UNREASONABLE IS NONSENSE!!! Fight fire with fire. Besides, you're not the boss of me! And that's exactly the reason why people are easily manipulated You are not fighting fire, you are fighting a biochemical weapon which deliberately makes you post. That's how it works! The "fire" keeps the weapon active. Without it, it would dissipate. People need to be protected from themselves. There is enough evidence to fill a whole library! This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 3 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 08:53:21 -
[242] - Quote and yet, you keep talking. Can't even follow your own advice. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1921 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 09:06:54 -
[243] - Quote See? She actually supports and proves me right! :) She's doing this deliberately the whole time and you sheeple kept falling for it. CCP Falcon realised it ane called it what it is. Trolling! And that's why you need to be protected from yourselves, because 99% of you people are behaving in easily predictable ways. Like robots, but totally blind to what's going on and completely unreasoned with! This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1921 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 09:12:13 -
[244] - Quote I can go on and on but will keep it for a seperate thread, not in GD though. Politicians are right with treating people like programmable sheep, really. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6035 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 09:17:36 -
[245] - Quote LOL This thread has been amusing on so many levels. :) I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 4 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 09:18:20 -
[246] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: I can go on and on but will keep it for a seperate thread, not in GD though. Politicians are right with treating people like programmable sheep, really. Have you ever recorded yourself and played it back to yourself? You're all like "ANARCHY!!" and then advocating dictatorial control. I have never seen cognitive dissonance displayed with such clear dichotomy. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1921 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 09:21:22 -
[247] - Quote See? ^_^ This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1921 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 09:23:16 -
[248] - Quote War Kitten wrote: LOL This thread has been amusing on so many levels. :) This too is part of the issue. People seriously getting fun out of this ****. More evidence how wrong all of this is and how it needs to be curbstomped. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
Ecklectrix Interstellar Nuclear Penguins DARKNESS. 4 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 09:26:46 -
[249] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: War Kitten wrote: LOL This thread has been amusing on so many levels. :) This too is part of the issue. People seriously getting fun out of this ****. More evidence how wrong all of this is and how it needs to be curbstomped. Inciting violence against me now? Why don't you just send your jackbooted gangstalkers to curbstomp me then, I'm sure someone like you has plebs? Get it over with, put me out of your misery. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1934 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 09:36:42 -
[250] - Quote See? ^_^ Not sure why she's not smart enough to realise that she's not reaching anything with this, but she exposes herself as troll by posting nonsense and keeps proving my point. :) This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6037 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 10:04:47 -
[251] - Quote Begun the troll war has. Who gets the last post in before the lock? I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1935 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 10:07:49 -
[252] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Begun the troll war has. Who gets the last post in before the lock? You. :) This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon Ron Gilbert made me cry. |
CCP Falcon 11235 |
Posted - 2015.04.15 10:14:14 -
[253] - Quote Alright, last warning is up. This thread is done, and has run its course. Locked. CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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