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Edward Gibbon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:08:53 -
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I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.
My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.
I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.
It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1310
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:13:41 -
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There are ways to mine successfully and annoy them. (Sending you a mail)
I recommend you join an anti-ganker group to keep up to date on what corporations and individuals you should set red. Then keep local open.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Paranoid Loyd
4665
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:26:36 -
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That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1311
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:30:59 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet? There is always the possibility that they are geniune. Quite a small effort to help throw spanners in CODE's way of play.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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OverlordY
Interspan
6
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:31:28 -
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Use a skiff. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Positive Failure Black Legion.
1471
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:34:36 -
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There are asteroids outside of high sec, they're about to get a lot better too. |
Zealous Miner
120
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:38:48 -
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Hello friend. Fellow miner here.
I pilot my Procurer with both eyes on the screen and the Good News of James 315 at my side.
I've never had an issue with being ganked while mining. Fly safe. o7
www.minerbumping.com
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Edward Gibbon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:39:40 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet?
I created the alt because I know how Gamergaters/CODE types work, and I'd rather my main be left in peace.
I genuinely want to see if I'm the only one who feels that this CODE thing is going in the direction where you have a very vocal and exceptionally toxic group of people who insist that the game can only be played in their special way. Eve is a large enough universe, with enough to do, that it's resisted this sort of thing quite well.
Personally, AFK mining is a fairly big part of how I play this game and how I enjoy it. Different people coming together to play and enjoy the game, each in their own way, is a huge attraction for me. However I've moved my base of operations to three different regions now, only to encounter the same CODE thing each time. If this is the future of this game and this community then I'm not sure I want to be a part of that... |
Daerrol
Furtherance.
96
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:41:14 -
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Uh? Official only two ways to play EVE: AFK mining and shooting things. |
Edward Gibbon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:45:02 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:There are asteroids outside of high sec, they're about to get a lot better too.
Very true, and I make a good profit from them too. But there's also great asteroids in 0.7 space where I can leave some drones to protect me from rats while I spend half an hour in the back yard with the kids trying to catch butterflys :) |
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Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
108
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:47:20 -
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There are hundreds of ways to play this game. You picked two. And one of these just might be a little less convenient now. I have yet to encounter one of the so called agents of the code, so I don't know if there is indeed an increased threat.
However, EvE being an MMORPOG you never could completely eliminate player interaction and you shouldn't be able to. |
Schmata Bastanold
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
3036
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:47:31 -
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"Big part of my enjoyment of this game comes from the fact I don't actually play it."
Yeah, right... Obviously CODE is what's wrong with Eve here.
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Hector Skunk
Highsecberg.
46
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:47:56 -
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So you love emergent gameplay as long as it doesn't affect you "negatively" ?
I am Hector Skunk. - "Tisiphone Dira > I feel bullied."
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Seven Koskanaiken
Positive Failure Black Legion.
1472
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:52:55 -
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Edward Gibbon wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:There are asteroids outside of high sec, they're about to get a lot better too. Very true, and I make a good profit from them too. But there's also great asteroids in 0.7 space where I can leave some drones to protect me from rats while I spend half an hour in the back yard with the kids trying to catch butterflys :)
Uh, yea, this is why CODE exists. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1880
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Posted - 2015.04.14 13:56:52 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet? They're not on our troll sniffing level. *snickers xD*
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Ron Gilbert made me cry.
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Edward Gibbon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.14 14:00:52 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Uh, yea, this is why CODE exists.
So a ship, sitting in space, doing literally nothing, is a massive problem?
I'll keep an eye out on this thread, but I think my question has been answered. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
286
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Posted - 2015.04.14 14:04:40 -
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Edward Gibbon wrote:It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views. I really don't agree. I don't particularly care for James 315 after reading some of the diatribes he's written outside of his website, but I've rarely come across a Code member being toxic in local. Code is very easy to avoid either by relocating or tanking.
Perhaps you are just trolling - especially since you're trying to associate this with gamergate.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10705
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Posted - 2015.04.14 14:12:10 -
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Edward Gibbon wrote:I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.
My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.
I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.
It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.
The problem is that CODE wants you to "play their way". The big secrets is that don't give 2 {insert slang for intercourse}s about how any one plays, they do what they do because they enjoy the reactions of their targets and the wrap their operation in a propaganda veil that they know will inflame the tender sensibilities of said targets.` Lots of CODE targets are people who came to EVE because "they love sci-fi and want to fly spaceships, I don't care about the rest of it" rather than people who want to play an open world sandbox game.
No, the real problem is high sec itself. It fools people into thinking they are safe, and it helps to keep some "themepark" mmo style players playing EVE (because themepark games protect gamers from other games to a large extent) who otherwise wouldn't. What people like CODE actually do is expose people to the actual mechanical reality of EVE Online, which is like splashing sleep walking people with cold water, and the splashees really doesn't like it.
The real solution is teaching people coming in that the term "high sec" is relative, not absolute. "High" as in "higher than the rest of EVE space" not High as in "a high level of protection from other players". For warned, a player can then decide if he wants to come in to EVE online or not. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
994
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Posted - 2015.04.14 14:17:05 -
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Edward Gibbon wrote:exceptionally toxic group of people
Edward Gibbon wrote:...Gamergaters/CODE types...
Have you considered you might be the toxic one? That's a really nice slur you are aiming at another group of players just because you don't like what they do in a game.
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Nelran Estemaire
No Spoon Inc
19
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Posted - 2015.04.14 14:22:33 -
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Sure, there are more ways to play this game than only one.
Forgive me if I insult you in any way but have to considered other options other than mining to play the game? There are other passive playstyles than mining in this game, allowing you to play the game and with your kids at the same time.
From my point of view you see at this in to ways, either give up on the game or apapt, I really struggle to see adapting as a limiting way to play the game. |
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
879
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Posted - 2015.04.14 14:23:38 -
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Code tends to operate in a limited area. I have mined happily in an out of the way hi sec spot with no troubles.
Heck even in Otela, I rarely see CODE. They stick to their area and rarely spread out.
Don't confuse a vocal minority on the forums for a majority in game. They are not an issue to most places in high sec.
And if you are that stressed/worried, switch to mission mining. They are even less likely to probe you down and the mining will still leave you free to chase butterflies. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1570
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Posted - 2015.04.14 14:26:57 -
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Are sure there's even one way to play this game?
Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers!
Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
274
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Posted - 2015.04.14 14:37:11 -
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Locator Agents are being operated in overdrive.
// Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept
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Samwise Everquest
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps Forsaken Asylum
124
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Posted - 2015.04.14 14:42:23 -
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Uh do people actually consider code a threat? If you fit your barge around tanking 2 catalyst, you will stop 95% of the ganks in highsec. Actually being at the keyboard will probably raise that statistic to 99. If you can't adapt to **** fit catalysts being flown by 400k sp alts then I don't know what to tell you.
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps looking for work. Pras Phil.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Positive Failure Black Legion.
1474
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Posted - 2015.04.14 15:11:47 -
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Edward Gibbon wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Uh, yea, this is why CODE exists.
So a ship, sitting in space, doing literally nothing, is a massive problem? I'll keep an eye out on this thread, but I think my question has been answered.
OK too much reddit. I'm completely out of form for GD. |
Ro Fenrios
Armilies corporation Balcora Gatekeepers
77
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Posted - 2015.04.14 15:13:24 -
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I do like to pvp in procurer or hull tanked retriever from time to time. |
Dirk Magnum
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
423
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Posted - 2015.04.14 15:28:51 -
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CODE and its allied Agents can't force you to play the game in any particular way. We can however try to compel you to adapt within the sandbox. CODE is a force within the game seeking to bend a certain segment of players to their will, much like Goonswarm is seeking to bend the players in the Delve region to ours. This game is just a cycle of influence. Take away the ability of players to influence goings-on in Highsec (i.e. the creation of a "safe space") defeats the purpose of this game.
Only CCP can force changes, and this is one that they've steadfastly refused to force. Even with all the buffs to Highsec security over the years (and there have been A LOT), they've left open enough room for gankers to adapt and keep doing their thing. It's on the miners and afkers to adapt in turn.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
338
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Posted - 2015.04.14 16:13:33 -
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Edward Gibbon wrote:I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.
My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.
I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.
It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.
Your problem is that you are not plying the game but are AFK taking care of your children. CODE. helps you realize that you in order to play this game you have to actually be at the keyboard. You are no loss to the community because you're not part of the community while being AFK. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6552
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Posted - 2015.04.14 16:14:00 -
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Stealth dual mode thread. Anti-GG. Go ahead and launch your aGGro tropes. They will all fail. Pro CODE. CODE. is actually shrinking in numbers and they are not as active as they were previously. Saying they are growing in numbers is a "stone soup" maneuver. in some areas of operation their activity curve is generally flat. In the highsec gank pipelines they are down.
Nice try.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
338
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Posted - 2015.04.14 16:15:38 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet? There is always the possibility that they are geniune ( or that a miner will read my response and want to know more.) Quite a small effort to help throw spanners in CODE's way of play.
Helping by sending people to not excisting anti-gank groups? Perhaps you better teach him to be AFK and how to fit his barge.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1689
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Posted - 2015.04.14 16:16:54 -
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The only way to play is to have an active account.
/thread |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1035
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Posted - 2015.04.14 16:37:39 -
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Edward Gibbon wrote: Is there only one way to play this game now?.
It certainly seems like the only way to play the game is to run to the forum and cry the minute someone else does something you don't like.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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DaReaper
Net 7
1929
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Posted - 2015.04.14 17:01:52 -
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You do know there are 7k+ systems, code is not everywhere, just get away from the main mining hubs, there are plently of systems in hs with lots of ore and zero people in them. Find one, mine to your hearts content.
or find a quite wormhole, get on during less play time, have yoru dscan open and be ready to run and mine till you don;t want to.
or join a null sec corp, and mine there ores in relitive safty.
or pay code's "protection money"
there i just gave you 4 ways to play. not that bloody hard
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10711
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Posted - 2015.04.14 17:21:18 -
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DaReaper wrote:You do know there are 7k+ systems, code is not everywhere, just get away from the main mining hubs, there are plently of systems in hs with lots of ore and zero people in them. Find one, mine to your hearts content.
or find a quite wormhole, get on during less play time, have yoru dscan open and be ready to run and mine till you don;t want to.
or join a null sec corp, and mine there ores in relitive safty.
or pay code's "protection money"
there i just gave you 4 ways to play. not that bloody hard
There goes DaReaper again, offering -effort- fileld solutions to people who don't want solutions, but rather 'fixes' from the pwoers that be.
If the complainers were the type who would take your advice, they'd have never been victims of CODE to begin with and wouldn't need your advice
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DaReaper
Net 7
1931
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Posted - 2015.04.14 17:31:44 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:DaReaper wrote:You do know there are 7k+ systems, code is not everywhere, just get away from the main mining hubs, there are plently of systems in hs with lots of ore and zero people in them. Find one, mine to your hearts content.
or find a quite wormhole, get on during less play time, have yoru dscan open and be ready to run and mine till you don;t want to.
or join a null sec corp, and mine there ores in relitive safty.
or pay code's "protection money"
there i just gave you 4 ways to play. not that bloody hard There goes DaReaper again, offering -effort- fileld solutions to people who don't want solutions, but rather 'fixes' from the pwoers that be. If the complainers were the type who would take your advice, they'd have never been victims of CODE to begin with and wouldn't need your advice
true, maybe someday someone will listen. lol
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1321
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Posted - 2015.04.14 17:34:00 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet? There is always the possibility that they are geniune ( or that a miner will read my response and want to know more.) Quite a small effort to help throw spanners in CODE's way of play. Helping by sending people to not existing anti-gank groups? Perhaps you better teach him to be not AFK and how to fit his barge. I sent him quite a bit of advice along those lines and directions to other resources.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
643
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Posted - 2015.04.14 17:36:12 -
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I do believe OP to be a CODE agent, craving attention. But just in case (and why not)....
First of all, whatever your beef is with CODE, its obviously restricted to h-sec. Since I play this game as well and many more like me are rarely seen in h-sec, "game" is too broad a term. There are many ways to play this game. Your h-sec stuff is only 1 of them. As such, I find your narrow mindedness much more toxic than CODE's h-sec BS.
You can just do exactly what CODE does and do whatever you want to do without worrying how it impacts the game of somebody you don't even know.
This is only toxic to you because you label it as such. Others view the exact same thing as "fun". (I hear some of those types even have a manifest and stuff)
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
346
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Posted - 2015.04.14 17:36:21 -
[38] - Quote
Dont be part of the problem, be part of the solution, move out of highsec :)
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
553
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Posted - 2015.04.14 17:44:24 -
[39] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Dont be part of the problem, be part of the solution, move out of highsec :)
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAALLLLL!!!
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1322
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Posted - 2015.04.14 17:49:01 -
[40] - Quote
John E Normus wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Dont be part of the problem, be part of the solution, move out of highsec :) GOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAALLLLL!!! Something about your avatar makes me think of this video
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Dradis Aulmais
Jump On Contact Sock Puppet Federation
762
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Posted - 2015.04.14 17:53:52 -
[41] - Quote
Edward Gibbon wrote:I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.
My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.
I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.
It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.
Your issue doesn't exist. Ganking is such a minor thing your just operating in the wrong area. If we use CCP data they gave us during fanfest and assume that gankers only use catalyst to hank then heir was only about. 7000 ganks last year. Now some of those where hyper dunking and freighter kills so your gank to player ratio goes down even more. Ganking is a small minor thing. Tank your ship and move to another empire. HTFU
Bar Certified General Counsel Attorney at Law Crime and Punishment
JAG Gallente Federal Navy
Clients
Deep Space Mining Corp *Brave Crewmen of the Brave Corporations *
Quafe
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10716
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Posted - 2015.04.14 17:55:56 -
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Yarda Black wrote:I do believe OP to be a CODE agent, craving attention. But just in case (and why not)....
First of all, whatever your beef is with CODE, its obviously restricted to h-sec. Since I play this game as well and many more like me are rarely seen in h-sec, "game" is too broad a term. There are many ways to play this game. Your h-sec stuff is only 1 of them. As such, I find your narrow mindedness much more toxic than CODE's h-sec BS.
You can just do exactly what CODE does and do whatever you want to do without worrying how it impacts the game of somebody you don't even know.
This is only toxic to you because you label it as such. Others view the exact same thing as "fun". (I hear some of those types even have a manifest and stuff)
That's the funniest ting about all of this. The existence of CODE and groups like Goons and war deccers like Marmite etc terrorize people so much that the best option is to get out of the one place in EVE they think they are supposed to be safe lol. It means those CODE types are doing a good job.
Well, not on me, they haven't been able to screw with me, I mean "in general" lol. |
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
355
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Posted - 2015.04.14 18:15:41 -
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After almost three years of doing this its still interesting to see people who think the New Order is trying to force players into either a narrow play style or otherwise leave the game. Despite our Agents adapting the various mechanics of the game, from bumping to awoxing to wardecs to corp theft and of course ganking to our goal we get accused of forcing "one" play style.
Others have already pointed out that the OP's playstyle is actually to not play at all but even in the case of the miner who actually sits there and watches the lasers we are actually educating more than forcing. And what are we teaching them?
1) Highsec is not safe. Not exactly an astonishing revelation yet we have the OP who seems to think we have somehow broken CCP's intentions.
2) You are not alone. A single server MMO and people think they are playing by themselves.
3) You are not elite. People think that making lots of ISK is winning Eve. Whole websites talk about it. Good for them. The New Order shows the miners that ISK in their wallet is much less a sign of competence than ISK we destroy. What takes them days or weeks to accumulate we destroy in seconds. Even when you are making ISK you are losing the game because we can take it from you whenever we choose.
4) CCP won't save you. Wouldn't a rational person realize that the fact that we have been doing this for so long... and so successfully... means that CCP is just fine with our game play. They consider us neither toxic or harmful to the game. Recently they admitted that activities like ours seem to enhance player retention. Which is what we have been saying all along.
5) and this is the most important. This is the truth that many players never aquire. The truth that opens Eve into something you don't experience anywhere else. The truth that makes it worth playing. And it is this. Miners exist to be targets. There is no in-game reason for them to exist other than to be destroyed. CCP could put the ore and ice right into the market, control supply and demand, create gluts and shortages all WITHOUT the miners. But instead, they strew it out into space and let the players who have no better thing to do go collect it. All while sitting in a stationary location, easily located by the pvpers and in ships that MUST succumb to a sufficiently organized attack fleet. Mining is an elegant solution to the problem of how do you get some players to fly ships full of expensive fittings and materials for the other players to kill. Its pretty brilliant when you think about it. The miners CHOOSE to go out in the ships that the pvpers like to shoot. CCP doesn't even have to make them do it. They just toss out the ore or ice and the targets flock to it. CCP even allows them to be AFK. Doesn't that tell you what the intention is?
So, here is where we come in. The New Order of Highsec exists to reveal this truth to the players, especially the new ones, who have been harmed by being told that highsec mining is an actual profession and one that they should aspire to. The lie that CONCORD will protect them and that the gankers are "toxic" but you can ignore them and that literally MONTHS of watching rocks melt is required in order to be able to, as so many carebear CEO's claim "grab a piece of null-sec and make a name for ourselves". James 315 is the Savior of Highsec and he has saved thousands of miners by the simple method of getting them to quit BEING miners. We are almost through year three of what James has predicted to be an eight year project. When we are done everyone will follow the Code throughout highsec.
This is probably a lot ot digest if you haven't been to www.minerbumping.com and gone through the wealth of information available there. I recommend it more than reading these forums as on minerbumping you will get the truth without the self serving agenda's so many posters here have. As I said, thousands have been saved by minerbumping. No one has been saved by reading the anti-Code ravings here.
One of the core rules of playing poker is that if you don't know who the rube is... its you. Miners, educate yourselves.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1323
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Posted - 2015.04.14 18:27:59 -
[44] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote: Blah ... and if you bothered to read the whole of that then you just let a fanatic in to your mind on a Sunday morning to tell you all about what they believe.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
34
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Posted - 2015.04.14 18:32:50 -
[45] - Quote
I just LOLLED really hard!!!
If u click the undock button, u consent to possible pvp, even if ur in a fragile miningship
Just mine in a ffing megathron allready! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23613
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Posted - 2015.04.14 19:21:53 -
[46] - Quote
I'm wondering what other open world PvP games the OP plays that allow him to sit in a PvP area while afk and not get attacked..
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1887
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Posted - 2015.04.14 19:34:05 -
[47] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:The only way to play is to have an active account.
/thread And the only winning move ... ... is not to play. ^_^
Anyhow, I'm undesicive ... if that's a word.
I would have given you a flat 10/10 for catching so many, if it wasn't for the fact that we haven't had this for long enough people will believe it's actually the real thing. Your avatar, though, plus some contradictionary things you've wrote makes it waaaaayyyyyyyy too obvious. :)
Loyd and me are experts ... you need to try much harder than that! *snickers xD*
Well ... yet you fooled the masses (not that hard, but still) and I should not give points based only on my own perception, so I will award you a 9/10 as a sign of faith and good will. :)
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Ron Gilbert made me cry.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7865
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Posted - 2015.04.14 19:35:44 -
[48] - Quote
OP... you are confusing some issues here.
Yes, you are playing in a "sandbox." Yes, you CAN do whatever you want to do. However... because EVE is a "multi-player sandbox" this means that other players can do whatever they want to as well... even if those things conflict with your goals.
This essentially means that any conflict in playstyles between players (in this case, CODE vs. miners/carebears) boils down to who is willing to put in the most thought and effort into doing what they want to do. If you want to be "left alone" then you have to have to put some effort into making that possible... because with everyone beig able to do what they want to do, all bets are off and no one is entitled to success.
(forgive me if I am making less sense than usual... still sleepy...)
How did you start?
The SP System
IFW
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1887
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Posted - 2015.04.14 19:41:47 -
[49] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:OP... you are confusing some issues here.
Yes, you are playing in a "sandbox." Yes, you CAN do whatever you want to do. However... because EVE is a "multi-player sandbox" this means that other players can do whatever they want to as well... even if those things conflict with your goals.
This essentially means that any conflict in playstyles between players (in this case, CODE vs. miners/carebears) boils down to who is willing to put in the most thought and effort into doing what they want to do. If you want to be "left alone" then you have to have to put some effort into making that possible... because with everyone beig able to do what they want to do, all bets are off and no one is entitled to success.
(forgive me if I am making less sense than usual... still sleepy...) You're so sleepy, you missed that it's just propaganda. :)
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Ron Gilbert made me cry.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
857
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Posted - 2015.04.14 20:18:39 -
[50] - Quote
Edward Gibbon wrote: My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one.
Fanatics? Sometimes in life you have to choose a side. The New Order is clearly on the right side of history in this case promoting gamplay that is not only engaging, but demonstrably makes Eve a better game. All the nerfs that have made highsec a paradise for those that click one button and then go make a sandwich or play with their kids may appeal to certain type of player, but are detrimental to a vibrant and interesting New Eden. CCP Seagull is on to this and the inevitable decline into stagnation this type of gameplay leads to, and she has initiated changes that are underway to correct years of caving into pleas for safety from these type of players.
Edward Gibbon wrote:But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way. You can play Eve how you like. But Eve is a PvP-centric sandbox where players compete for power and resources. It is not a space-themed Farmville clone where you can gather resources in isolation from other players. The New Order does not insist you do anything other than be subject to the risk that the developers intended. If you have an issue with that, take it up with CCP who has deliberately coded the ability for suicide gankers to operate in highsec into the game.
Edward Gibbon wrote:I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. Me too. And the New Order is some of the most intersting emergent gameplay to come along in years.
Edward Gibbon wrote:That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games. Oh? Mining is too difficult for you to do then? Perhaps your real-life responsibilities should take precedent. You are not entitled to AFK mine. You are not entitled to make ISK with one click while doing something else. This is by design. If you can't accept that there are plenty of other games out there where you can progress with zero effort or opposition. Eve just happens to not be one of them.
Edward Gibbon wrote:It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views. What? Please present this evidence of toxicity. Agents of the New Order are infallibly polite and seem to enjoy thier work. How do you conclude that blowing up spaceships within the intended rules set out by CCP is toxic?
If your only interest in Eve is mining AFK, then perhaps you should consider spending your time and entertainment budget doing something a little more aligned with your desires than playing in a open-world, single-universe PvP game solely as a prey item.
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
1015
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Posted - 2015.04.14 20:22:47 -
[51] - Quote
Edward Gibbon wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Uh, yea, this is why CODE exists.
So a ship, sitting in space, doing literally nothing, is a massive problem? I'll keep an eye out on this thread, but I think my question has been answered.
Your ship might not be a problem, but it is a target.
If you can't tell the sameness, this game really isn't for you.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
230
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Posted - 2015.04.14 20:29:39 -
[52] - Quote
Edward Gibbon wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:There are asteroids outside of high sec, they're about to get a lot better too. Very true, and I make a good profit from them too. But there's also great asteroids in 0.7 space where I can leave some drones to protect me from rats while I spend half an hour in the back yard with the kids trying to catch butterflys :) I'm curious where you can mine asteroids in highsec that last 30 minutes before they go pop... unless you use a civilian mining laser.
Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard
Once known as:
Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
45923
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Posted - 2015.04.14 20:38:21 -
[53] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet? They're not on our troll sniffing level. *snickers xD* Damn. He's getting so many hits. Makes me really envious. |
Hal Morsh
Fruidian Logic Dramatic Exit.
293
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Posted - 2015.04.14 20:58:00 -
[54] - Quote
Here is what you do. Get a jumpclone with no implants whatsoever. Then fit a procurer with T1 everything but fit a damage control 2 and a reinforced bulkhead in the low slots, with some shield modules in mid.
It's going to be more effort to gank you then it's worth, and even if they do bother it wont repeat if they don't find it worth it.
How do you make it not worth it to them? First off don't even respond to them, and sure as hell don't give protection money as that paints "gullible" on your back and they will just gank you anyways then make up some silly rule you broke, like undertanked shuttle. Having that fit above makes the gank almost not worthwhile of the loot (that might not even drop), but some people don't care about isk anyways, so not giving them any convo or response after the gank leaves them pretty much no reason to return and they may as well go gank a retriever instead in search of supply for their sadistic tendencies.
ISD Dorrim > Hey, a fedo!
Thread closed.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2706
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Posted - 2015.04.14 21:08:31 -
[55] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: CODE. is actually shrinking in numbers
Source?
Also, we're recruiting. Speak to John E Normus, Loyalanon or Tengu Grib.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
859
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Posted - 2015.04.14 21:17:36 -
[56] - Quote
Hal Morsh wrote:Here is what you do. Get a jumpclone with no implants whatsoever. Then fit a procurer with T1 everything but fit a damage control 2 and a reinforced bulkhead in the low slots, with some shield modules in mid. Here's a better idea: do something, anything, to actually play the game. Tanking out a Procurer so you can make ISK in isolation while you watch Netflix is not engaging gameplay. Fly a yield-fit Hulk and pay attention to local. Fly a bait Skiff and try to catch a ganker in the belt. Sit in that belt in a Retriever and tell war stories to the other miners. Please do anything other than isolating yourself from the sandbox, pressing F1 and wandering off from your computer thinking you are actually playing the game.
You can play Eve however you want, but AFK mining is almost not playing Eve at all. If you are finding your interest in Eve wavering perhaps it is because you have choosen the least engaging profession imaginable rather than some theoretical threat from the New Order. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
415
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Posted - 2015.04.14 21:34:55 -
[57] - Quote
Edward Gibbon wrote:...I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. Hows incredibly boring, you're the last person I want to play with. When playing a game to escape the drudgery of real life, having to hear about someone's kids in game is way too depressing...
Quote:...then I'll play other games. Don't let the door hit you on the way out...Here's your hat, what's your hurry...etc, etc...
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2694
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Posted - 2015.04.14 21:35:49 -
[58] - Quote
Every spaceship is a glorious explosion in waiting for the glory of our lord Allah. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
415
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Posted - 2015.04.14 21:38:01 -
[59] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Every spaceship is a glorious explosion in waiting for the glory of our lord Allah. Makes me want to fart...
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
340
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Posted - 2015.04.14 21:42:00 -
[60] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:That's cute that you reply to help, haven't you learned to spot CODE alts yet? There is always the possibility that they are geniune ( or that a miner will read my response and want to know more.) Quite a small effort to help throw spanners in CODE's way of play. Helping by sending people to not existing anti-gank groups? Perhaps you better teach him to be not AFK and how to fit his barge. I sent him quite a bit of advice along those lines and directions to other resources.
Let's hope he learns from it, but I doubt he will. |
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
340
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Posted - 2015.04.14 21:45:00 -
[61] - Quote
Hal Morsh wrote:Here is what you do. Get a jumpclone with no implants whatsoever. Then fit a procurer with T1 everything but fit a damage control 2 and a reinforced bulkhead in the low slots, with some shield modules in mid.
It's going to be more effort to gank you then it's worth, and even if they do bother it wont repeat if they don't find it worth it.
How do you make it not worth it to them? First off don't even respond to them, and sure as hell don't give protection money as that paints "gullible" on your back and they will just gank you anyways then make up some silly rule you broke, like undertanked shuttle. Having that fit above makes the gank almost not worthwhile of the loot (that might not even drop), but some people don't care about isk anyways, so not giving them any convo or response after the gank leaves them pretty much no reason to return and they may as well go gank a retriever instead in search of supply for their sadistic tendencies.
Worst advice ever! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15608
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Posted - 2015.04.14 21:57:08 -
[62] - Quote
Bat Country would like to thank high sec for the Basilisk BPO we got today, our second T2 BPO in as many days.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Afrigael Hax
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.04.14 22:57:23 -
[63] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote:[quote=Edward Gibbon] If your only interest in Eve is mining AFK, then perhaps you should consider spending your time and entertainment budget doing something a little more aligned with your desires than playing in a open-world, single-universe PvP game solely as a prey item.
that's an extremely well said and unavoidable point, I do the afk mining thing..unavoidable sometimes when you have a small toddler and a disabled wife .. but you're right ..even if I don't like it ... that is the truth of it |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4798
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Posted - 2015.04.14 23:21:56 -
[64] - Quote
I've been playing since 2009, and living in hisec past 3 years, and I've never had an incident with CODE.
I rarely even see them, except in local sometimes when travelling.
Which makes me wonder what OP is doing to eanble CODE. to bother him.
Some of my mining tips (no, I don't have a "license"): How to mine with a bullseye on your back Suicide ganks Need help with starting the game. |
Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
232
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Posted - 2015.04.14 23:23:30 -
[65] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Dont be part of the problem, be part of the solution, move out of highsec :)
What is such uncommon wisdom doing in general discussion?
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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Asura Vajrarupa
Scope Works Overload Everything
50
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Posted - 2015.04.15 00:39:43 -
[66] - Quote
https://zkillboard.com/kill/45786308/
Code are not invincible, you just have to stop fitting your barge like a chump.
Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1389
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Posted - 2015.04.15 00:56:10 -
[67] - Quote
Afrigael Hax wrote:Black Pedro wrote:[quote=Edward Gibbon] If your only interest in Eve is mining AFK, then perhaps you should consider spending your time and entertainment budget doing something a little more aligned with your desires than playing in a open-world, single-universe PvP game solely as a prey item.
that's an extremely well said and unavoidable point, I do the afk mining thing..unavoidable sometimes when you have a small toddler and a disabled wife .. but you're right ..even if I don't like it ... that is the truth of it Not really sure I can agree with you. The point of open ended should for all intents and purposes leave the individual player to determine if the hum of mining lasers from a speaker in another room is sufficient reason to log in. Far be it from me or anyone else to pass judgement. If that's how someone gets their kicks so be it. AFK mining isn't the only thing I do personally, but it makes a nice way to ease myself back into more actively playing.
As far as being solely prey, I'm almost always AFK when mining, I've never lost a barge. And if we take the logic that being potential prey means you should be doing something else, anyone who is in space not looking to kill someone else shouldn't be playing. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1507
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Posted - 2015.04.15 01:29:29 -
[68] - Quote
Wait.... this is a game?
I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
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Gerhard Stringfellow
The Scope Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2015.04.15 01:37:03 -
[69] - Quote
Edward Gibbon wrote:I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.
My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.
I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.
It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.
Dude, just go somewhere else. Hi-sec is huge, the gankers aren't everywhere at once, and you probably need to take a vacation from mining around Jita IV anyway. The game isn't broken and you need to find a way to make it work, just like anyone else in EvE has too. It isn't fun losing ships, but it's something that affects everyone; you can't expect the world to create a safe place just for you or people that play like you do.
CODE has their goals and as much as I disagree with them, they aren't breaking the rules of the game in any way and you need to find a way a to make it work for you. Maybe you should move to a different system, or tank your mining fit appropriately, or join a real mining corp that takes the appropriate action to protect its fleets. It seems to be the popular thing these days, and not just in EvE, to cry that you're being oppressed and your problems are everybody else's fault but yours.
And I'm getting tired of people claiming they're oppressed; if what you're doing now isn't working, you need to alter how you're playing. Goons don't cry to CCP if they lose to PL, and vice versa, even though the ships they're losing cost a hell of a lot more than a mining barge or exhumer. Instead they look at what they can and can't do, and react accordingly and realistically. Don't go crying to CCP.
tl;dr if you don't want to get exploded, find a way to protect your ship instead of whining. |
UMIRIN BRAH Aesthics
2
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Posted - 2015.04.15 01:38:19 -
[70] - Quote
In regards to OP, please check my in-game bio.
It has not been edited for this thread and has been around for a while now. |
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Johan Civire
Cry Thunder. DeepSpace.
952
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Posted - 2015.04.15 01:40:48 -
[71] - Quote
Edward Gibbon wrote:I've been playing Eve for years now, longer than I ever planned to. Other games grab my attention from time to time, but I always come back. One of the things that always had me coming back was the community, but that seems to be getting badly fractured. It's been a while now and these CODE people seem to be gaining numbers. They've got their supporters and their detractors.
My problem with them is two fold: They're fanatics (they exactly the same language and tactics of the Gamergate crowd, but that's another post that's just going to cause a lot of problems), and that provokes a fanatical response from those who oppose them. This doesn't ultimately help any one. But my largest problem is their utter insistence that the game be played exactly their way, and the increasing efforts they're going to make sure that Eve is only played their way.
I love the emergent gameplay that I've seen over the years. As someone whose life revolves around economics and sociology, this game never fails to be interesting. That interest is waning though. I've got a family these days. I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.
It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.
What are you playing for a game son? I guess you`re thinking the wrong way nobody force here your hand. Its you thats have problems.
This game is still a sanbox so in short let me put it this way. You can do whatever you want to. Even blow CODE up if you think you can handle that kind of stuff if not. Let me put it nice here screw them. Move on. There are many people that try to (get this a cookie builder tactics like wow or lol or dota or any (hardcore) game you want to. All fail. Why? because people want to play it in there way not them.
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Sentry 10
Scholastic Pursuits
32
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Posted - 2015.04.15 01:41:48 -
[72] - Quote
Dude. Try planetary interaction. It Is Mining without the mining. You set a planetary harvest program from an hour up to a week, and it does it whether you log on or not, so it's good for low commitment or attention. Low sec or WH PI also generates good income. Check it out |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
342
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Posted - 2015.04.15 03:46:06 -
[73] - Quote
Miners exist to be targets
Every player in this game exists to be targets. |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
35175
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Posted - 2015.04.15 05:35:11 -
[74] - Quote
Edward Gibbon wrote:fanatics (Gamergate) u fkn wot m8?
don't compare a group of people demanding better electronic entertainment to these worthless scrubs who do nothing worthy of attention.
also, what were you smoking? CODE don't enforce anything, they're just gankers who aren't capable of anything else. nobody cares about them anymore.
Critically Preposterous is recruiting! Join the fight!
I am a cat.
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
304
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Posted - 2015.04.15 05:46:11 -
[75] - Quote
It annoys me that the OP, with the help of a few stupid buzzwords like "gamergate", "toxic" and "CODE." managed to troll himself to 4 pages of birdbrained nonsense.
Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
860
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Posted - 2015.04.15 06:14:53 -
[76] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Afrigael Hax wrote:Black Pedro wrote: If your only interest in Eve is mining AFK, then perhaps you should consider spending your time and entertainment budget doing something a little more aligned with your desires than playing in a open-world, single-universe PvP game solely as a prey item.
that's an extremely well said and unavoidable point, I do the afk mining thing..unavoidable sometimes when you have a small toddler and a disabled wife .. but you're right ..even if I don't like it ... that is the truth of it Not really sure I can agree with you. The point of open ended should for all intents and purposes leave the individual player to determine if the hum of mining lasers from a speaker in another room is sufficient reason to log in. Far be it from me or anyone else to pass judgement. If that's how someone gets their kicks so be it. AFK mining isn't the only thing I do personally, but it makes a nice way to ease myself back into more actively playing. As far as being solely prey, I'm almost always AFK when mining, I've never lost a barge. And if we take the logic that being potential prey means you should be doing something else, anyone who is in space not looking to kill someone else shouldn't be playing. Sure, if being a prey item turns your crank, then please log in. Or slowly watching your hold fill up with ore gives you a sense of satisfaction, then continue playing. Or perhaps you just like looking a pretty spaceships fly around an asteroid belt. I don't care about your, the OPs, or anyone's motivations to log in.
However this is a game with specific design goals from CCP which including making all resources gatherers prey items for other players. Hell, practically everything you do in space makes you a prey item - even the Crimewatch mechanics serve up gankers as prey items to anti-gankers or anyone else that can catch them. My point wasn't that that was bad or players shouldn't play as prey. In fact, I think that is very good on CCP's part and makes Eve a much more interesting game. My point was that the OP seems to want the all benefit of mining AFK (while playing with his kids) while "opting-out" of being a target for the predators, and at the same time calling players who choose to play that predator role "toxic".
The game is designed from its very core to foster conflict between players. It's totally fine if you embrace that and only ever play as a prey item for whatever reason. It is not cool to come to the forums and say you don't like that and CCP should change the game so you can do whatever you want in isolation from other players and the sandbox. If you don't like playing as prey that much and that is all you do in Eve, then you are playing the wrong game.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1389
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Black Pedro wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Afrigael Hax wrote:Black Pedro wrote: If your only interest in Eve is mining AFK, then perhaps you should consider spending your time and entertainment budget doing something a little more aligned with your desires than playing in a open-world, single-universe PvP game solely as a prey item.
that's an extremely well said and unavoidable point, I do the afk mining thing..unavoidable sometimes when you have a small toddler and a disabled wife .. but you're right ..even if I don't like it ... that is the truth of it Not really sure I can agree with you. The point of open ended should for all intents and purposes leave the individual player to determine if the hum of mining lasers from a speaker in another room is sufficient reason to log in. Far be it from me or anyone else to pass judgement. If that's how someone gets their kicks so be it. AFK mining isn't the only thing I do personally, but it makes a nice way to ease myself back into more actively playing. As far as being solely prey, I'm almost always AFK when mining, I've never lost a barge. And if we take the logic that being potential prey means you should be doing something else, anyone who is in space not looking to kill someone else shouldn't be playing. Sure, if being a prey item turns your crank, then please log in. Or slowly watching your hold fill up with ore gives you a sense of satisfaction, then continue playing. Or perhaps you just like looking a pretty spaceships fly around an asteroid belt. I don't care about your, the OPs, or anyone's motivations to log in. However this is a game with specific design goals from CCP which including making all resources gatherers prey items for other players. Hell, practically everything you do in space makes you a prey item - even the Crimewatch mechanics serve up gankers as prey items to anti-gankers or anyone else that can catch them. My point wasn't that that was bad or players shouldn't play as prey. In fact, I think that is very good on CCP's part and makes Eve a much more interesting game. My point was that the OP seems to want the all benefit of mining AFK (while playing with his kids) while "opting-out" of being a target for the predators, and at the same time calling players who choose to play that predator role "toxic". The game is designed from its very core to foster conflict between players. It's totally fine if you embrace that and only ever play as a prey item for whatever reason. It is not cool to come to the forums and say you don't like that and CCP should change the game so you can do whatever you want in isolation from other players and the sandbox. If you don't like playing as prey that much and that is all you do in Eve, then you are playing the wrong game. What you're saying here isn't quite the same as the quoted statement. As it was it paints being (potential) prey as negative and something to re-evaluate playing for while this clarification has a different tone on the matter. Maybe there is some missing context but as it was presented there the 2 don't seem to say the same thing.
All my point was is that there is a difference between the way the game was designed to work and the individual acts players can choose to take. Yes, Eve is driven by space violence, but individually most don't want to lose ships they don't fully intend to lose, whether seeking to violence other boats or not. Player desires tend to fall at odds with the healthy function of the game as a whole.
Also a wide definition of prey item makes the distinction meaningless. Nearly everything is prey to someone so calling out a single individual for it doesn't seem to make sense to me. Wanting perfect safety is certainly against the spirit of the game, but wanting ones own ships to remain intact is pretty normal. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
860
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Posted - 2015.04.15 08:45:20 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Also a wide definition of prey item makes the distinction meaningless. Nearly everything is prey to someone so calling out a single individual for it doesn't seem to make sense to me. Wanting perfect safety is certainly against the spirit of the game, but wanting ones own ships to remain intact is pretty normal. Not wanting to lose your ships is normal. Coming to the forums complaining that you lost them while playing the game that has been intentionally engineered so that they are at risk to other players, or worse calling for them to be safe so you can "play your way" is the problem.
I am not calling someone out for not want to lose their ship to a predator. I am calling out those that don't like that but yet choose to pursue in game activities where that is suppose to happen and then complain about it.
While gas mining in wormholes I put myself at risk and offer myself up as prey. I do it because it is reasonably lucrative and a change from my normal PvP activities, but more so it is very satisfying to ninja that gas and get it safely back to my base in the face of people trying to kill me. I don't want to lose my ship, but I am aware it is a not-unlikely outcome of that activity. People would laugh at me if I lost a ship, and then came to the forums saying that wormhole players are "toxic" for killing a harmless mining frigate.
Highsec is much, much safer, but still if you can't handle losing mining ships, you probably shouldn't be playing the game as an AFK miner as that is a possible outcome of the activity. If AFK mining was all I did in the game and I hated losing ships to predators, why am I playing the game (or the game in that way) in the first place? Go play a game where non-consensual PvP is prohibited and you will be a much happier gamer. Or play Eve as something that can turn the tables on the predators and fight back. Or if you really like AFK mining for some reason, and can handle the loss of the odd mining vessel, then just write it off as the cost of doing business and keep your complaining off the forums. |
Alleja DeSan-na
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.04.15 09:08:26 -
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Edward Gibbon wrote: I can mine, and play with the kids at the same time. I can blow stuff up when they're asleep and I can focus more attention on things. These CODE people don't seem to want me mining, and if I'm only going to be able to shoot stuff exclusively, then I'll play other games.
Play a game, whatever it is, required concentration, or definately you are not playing the game, but doing other things.
Edward Gibbon wrote: It's like they're trying to turn this into League Of Legends: A game can only be played in one very specific way with a toxic community that enforces those views.
This is a full PVP MMORPG. Being shooted is inside the mechanics of the game. Being podded too. Somewhere, in some guide that I read, the CCP is expressed by making it very clear that they care that a player enters the game with a sense of constant alert. Not meeting the exact phrase, but said that EVE is not a game puffy puffy and that there are other games made that way.
Say that a player (any player whether or not CODE) is "toxic" just because he does not play in your own style, or plays so that you personally do not like it, I find it a form of disrespect very serious. And not by "character to character" but from "player to player."
The best thing that you can do at this point is to apologize to all the players who play inside the rules of the game in any way they play, for the term "toxic" that you used. And I say exactly for the respect of the community that you mention. |
Avaelica Kuershin
22
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Posted - 2015.04.15 09:12:09 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:It annoys me that the OP, with the help of a few stupid buzzwords like "gamergate", "toxic" and "CODE." managed to troll himself to 4 pages of birdbrained nonsense.
And he's gone to Doomheim... maybe that should be Trollheim or something?
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
571
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Posted - 2015.04.15 09:22:01 -
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Wait, is OP implying that a corp/alliance based around shooting other spaceships in a game that's entirely about shooting other people's spaceships, using legitimate mechanics added by the designers in the manner intended, is morally equivalent to RL death threats and ddosing people? |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1925
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Posted - 2015.04.15 09:25:28 -
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The propaganda alt biomassed.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Ron Gilbert made me cry.
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