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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.16 03:43:42 -
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Yoloswag Zydrine mafia in the House.
Good changes, gib more Mexallon pls.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.16 07:36:07 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: A group of players getting rekt by an unneeded change catered to blue donut bot fleets. TOTALLY PLAYER ECONOMY BRO.
Nope.
Who introduced ore anomalies in the first place? Who then buffed the volume (was it volume?) of the Large/Medium/XL fields? A situation had been created which was no longer in the hands of the players, as market forces began flooding Empire with supply, since even at 750 p/u it was still better than mining Scordite in Empire, and even at 400 p/u for Zyd it was still 28-29 mil p/h per person in a proper fleet AFAIK.
It used to be fine, when we didn't have capitalships, and everyone in null mined in belts, because there wasn't anything else - such an arrangement supported healthy a healthy economy with stable prices for most T1 products, including Battleships.
I see Tech 1 cruisers and battleships returning to under 10m and 180m respectively.
Overall, lower mineral prices equals cheaper products, while *probably* retaining the same margins for industrialists, which in turn means more inventory gets moved, as people readily purchase spaceships for PvP in both Empire and Null.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.16 08:08:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Prior to this change, mining in null was equal or worse than mining in highsec. Null specific ores were less valuable than trit (except crok, because nocx).
It's not like anyone can just go and mine freely in null ore anomalies. A group must own sov, install an IHUB, install upgrades in the system and maintain the industrial level. There is no security in null, and roaming gangs of interceptors can catch and kill any miner that they find. Mining isn't free in null- being part of an alliance means that you pay taxes. Whether or not it's a per person tax or a refining tax, you have to pay to help maintain the space. Furthermore, once you get the ore in null and refine it, you then have to ship out excess mid/high ends and import the remaining low ends that you need (which incurs transport costs both ways). The number of people mining in nullsec space directly relates to how much hostile activity will be in that system, since industrial indices are readily available to everyone. This means that the more that anyone mines in null, the more the risk increases.
In highsec, you just undock and warp to a belt. If you're in a skiff, your chances of being suicide ganked are near zero. You could then refine and move your minerals freely within highsec. It doesn't matter how much ore is mined in highsec- no one can see an indices to see how much ore is mined. Furthermore, miners can resort to mining missions if their belts are done for the day.
CCP is finally making a change to fix the mining situation in null- it desperately needed a fix. Mining in nullsec was literally the worst activity you could do in terms of isk/hr in null unless you were running a fleet of 10+ miners. Players that wanted to mine to build their own ships were still forced to import low end minerals because there simply isn't enough available (WITHIN REASON- belt mining was the dumbest thing to do in null).
Now, we will have a system that rewards cherry picking nullsec static belts, while allowing for groups of players to mine anomalies in order to get proper portions of minerals that they need to build the basic t1 items that are needed everywhere.
All of the highsec hurfers are coming out of the woodworks to say how this is an unfair buff to null etc etc. They clearly have not looked at any data nor do they have a grasp on how income works across the game.
It's not a surprise that I also have to spell this out for the highsec people. As ore belts and anomalies increase in value, null miners are going to switch from ice to ores. As they do, isotope prices will increase across the board. Highsec miners will then have an opportunity to start mining (or continue to mine) ice at an increased profit per hour.
Very aptly put.
One has to agree that some of them may be inexperienced due to age, but it shouldn't give way to making slanderous accusations.
This thread makes me want to go mine something. In Lowsecks.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:53:38 -
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Heh-heh, I remember getting multi-million volume Zyd orders getting filled as low as 630 p/u just two days before o7 Show.
People would then rage in GD on April 1st with, "What - who knew, investigate nao!"
Heh-heh.
Science & Trade thread went completely over the heads of 99%, MD and S&T activity being very low overall. Please explode more spaceships to bring more people back.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.16 13:35:10 -
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Yes. I once came into a bike shop to get a tyre puncture cured, but the gentleman at the counter said that it is more cost-effective to source and replace the tube completely.
True relevant storie. vOv
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.16 13:42:10 -
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It's a good story, though.
Does anyone have any boot, or two, on the pulse of Lowsec mining? Zydrine content went up in all three ores, but it is not enough to get people out there en masse.
Adding more Nocx is warranted I think.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.16 15:03:00 -
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Sweet, sweet Mexallon. Sweet, sweet Pyerite.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:15:27 -
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Simon Alfrir wrote: I would also ask CCP to investigate the possible insider trading of Zydrine and Megacyte prior to the announcement of these changes being made public. I believe that the there may have been large spikes in the purchases of both minerals before CCP Fozzie went onto Twitch with the initial announcement. Has this been looked into?
Oh, HAHAHAHA!
So you missed my March 20 thread in Science & Trade - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=413489&find=unread ?
And then you missed another March 20th thread in Market Discussion - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=413509&find=unread ?
I am indeed very sorry for placing large volume spikes on your charts.
Xaxaxa
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:28:48 -
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Durrr wrote:I still would like to see a reason, any reason, to mine ore in low sec. It's more dangerous than null with much less payoff. In fact the payoff is only marginally better than high sec, with a good deal more risk.
Yep.
Perhaps offset some of the Nocxium procurement by increasing its yield in LS ores, and lowering in NS ones?
Zydrine increase is good, but Nocx would be better as it is a mid-tier mineral.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.20 02:29:53 -
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All this Hisecks high horse crying is getting tiresome.
There is great synergy in Eve - http://i.imgur.com/4jVAs9Z.jpg
It's just that you have to view Hi+Lowsecks as one unit, which is Empire space.
Yes, level 4s and Incursions are still skewing risk-reward Eden-wide. That can of worms won't ever be fixed, however.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.20 17:08:00 -
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elitatwo wrote:GankYou wrote:Yes, level 4s and Incursions are still skewing risk-reward Eden-wide. That can of worms won't ever be fixed, however. No, they don't.
Do you comfort yourself at night with such thoughts?
http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.20 17:34:34 -
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elitatwo wrote:GankYou wrote:http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html
Hisec Level 4s and Incursions take a substantial, if not the majority, part of the above. And 78472828129030281 yolo-swag supers and carriers ratting in 929375 anomalies per null-system have nothing to do with it.
I said substantial.
Doesn't take away from the fact that Level 4s and Incursions in Empire space have triple the income of mining in the same space.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.20 18:59:51 -
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Speaking of 98% figures - https://twitter.com/CCP_Diagoras/status/165439199904931840
Quote:In Jan 2012, 91.63% of Incursion payouts were in High sec, 3.31% low sec, 5.07% null sec.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.20 20:37:49 -
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GetSirrus wrote: In terms of farms and fields, what is being offered by CCP Fozzie amounts to a Genetically Enhanced crop (Fozzie GEGäó).
I like it. A lot.
Marry me, and we can raise our GE cows together.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.20 21:59:41 -
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Sizeof Void wrote:It is long past time for CCP to nerf the sources of ISK farming.
You mean Level 4s and Incursions in Hisec?
As early as 2008, I remember making dank ISK with no rISK involved. It still appears to be the case nowadays.
Money for nothing, and chicks for free!
Incidentally during that time period there was a chance to move Level 4s to Lowsec, but alas due to heavy forum debatesGäó nothing was done.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.20 22:21:14 -
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Someone has to do something about CONCORD and its unlimited ISK finance facility.
Almost like real life!
I can totally see barter system working in Eve, with a slight improvement to the contract system, heh-heh.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.21 00:21:06 -
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Speaking of cybernetics-enhanced performance - this was in Rancer, Rancer of all places!
http://i.imgur.com/MVMMQco.jpg
Didn't stop to think about the Legion having Beams. vOv
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.21 00:46:07 -
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Used to be far worse back in the day, with a loading bar across the screen.
I'd love to see the capsule being ejected prior to complete destruction of the spaceship, so you can enjoy the nice explosions as you fofofofofo into warp.
Since we're in Rancer - Anyone in this thread that actually mines in Lowsec - do you think the changes are sufficient to actually draw some portion of Hisec miners a step lower?
I can understand your concerns for anonymity, if you refuse to disclose that.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:28:50 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:No area of space is intended to be fully self sufficient. These changes will not make any area of space fully self sufficient, nor should they.
NICE REGION, WE'LL TAKE IT!
Upgraded Ore Anomalies are all uniform, however.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.21 16:36:36 -
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Querns wrote:GankYou wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:No area of space is intended to be fully self sufficient. These changes will not make any area of space fully self sufficient, nor should they. NICE REGION, WE'LL TAKE IT! Upgraded Ore Anomalies are all uniform, however. Nah. Truesec plays a part in giving you boosted anoms with +5% and +10% variants.
That's cool.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.21 16:52:34 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:the good ol' Risk/Reward crutch
I think you are running out of sensible arguments.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.22 03:28:36 -
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Rowells wrote:You mean those four orders?
What was the volume? I'm curious.
Must've been a whole 10,000 of Tritanium.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.22 03:42:14 -
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Rowells wrote:GankYou wrote:Rowells wrote:You mean those four orders? What was the volume? I'm curious. Must've been a whole 10,000 of Tritanium. 410k amongst the four.
STOP THE PRESSES A whole 3.4% of the total Trit amount needed to build one Battleship has been found in Nullsecks!
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.22 06:27:28 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I'm also uncomfortable that players have been able to invest heavily in a commodity available in only one section of space.
You mean like all of the Fleet, Navy, Federation issue ships, modules and ammo?
Quote:That smacks of insider trading, especially when you keep mentioning that there is an over abundance of high ends in null compared to low ends. This is tantamount to throwing a stack of ISK at those who already have (or have much easier access to) those high ends.
Don't think that you're applying the term "insider trading" corrently here. However, if you do actually put the whole weight into the meaning, I refer you to this post, where everyone with the eyes to see saw it coming - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5675444#post5675444
I myself am a pirate on the high seas of Hisecks Market PvP.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:12:37 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:GankYou wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I'm also uncomfortable that players have been able to invest heavily in a commodity available in only one section of space. You mean like all of the Fleet, Navy, Federation issue ships, modules and ammo? HS + LS = 2.
Yes! One brotherhood of the Empire! pâ+a++a¦ê+ä-£a¦êa++n+ë
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:29:27 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Every one saw it coming but the amount available in hisec was limited whereas those in heavily defended nullsec space could think 'hey lets mine the **** out of meg and zyd ores before they become rare and then refine it later when prices spike (with our much better refining rate to boot!)'...
Don't go there.
I was getting multi-million in units buy orders filled non-stop at 630 p/u just a day before April 1st. After I bought out the whole Empire on March 20th.
It is possible, yes, that after the Fanfest on the 19th of March some shrewd entities started stacking said ores, but given the abysmal mineral prices at that time, I'd imagine there wasn't much mining going on prior to this.
And why would you stack Crokite? If you didn't refine it then, you surely are going to refine it before the patch, otherwise you're stuck with your Nocxiums.
Interesting question, though - would ores, which had been mined pre-patch retain their mineral compositions, or is the new changes going to overwrite these?
As an example: AFAIR the ships which had been produced prior to the Tiericide still remained the old mineral bill of materials, so you couldn't refine them into moar mineralulz.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.22 07:46:18 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:GankYou wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Every one saw it coming but the amount available in hisec was limited whereas those in heavily defended nullsec space could think 'hey lets mine the **** out of meg and zyd ores before they become rare and then refine it later when prices spike (with our much better refining rate to boot!)'...
Don't go there. I was getting multi-million in units buy orders filled non-stop at 630 p/u just a day before April 1st. After I bought out the whole Empire on March 20th. It is possible, yes, that after the Fanfest on the 19th of March some shrewd entities started stacking said ores, but given the abysmal mineral prices at that time, I'd imagine there wasn't much mining going on prior to this. And why would you stack Crokite? If you didn't refine it then, you surely are going to refine it before the patch, otherwise you're stuck with your Nocxiums. Interesting question, though - would ores, which had been mined pre-patch retain their mineral compositions, or is the new changes going to overwrite these? As an example: AFAIR the ships which had been produced prior to the Tiericide still retained the old mineral bill of materials, so you couldn't refine them into moar mineralulz. Ironically you probably filled those orders from someone in null who should have stockpiled
Then your theory doesn't work, does it?
Here I am, a Hisecks pirat, plundering the booty and reselling it to the originators.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.22 10:30:21 -
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Odin Shadow wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Odin Shadow wrote:your so bitter. just move to null sec and take advantage of what your calling a massive null sec buff If only I were a bot fleet... Otherwise, I'm already in null, but main beneficiary of this change is not a human player. you have evidence about this right?
This is preposterous! Evidence is an old relic concept, which died in the chivalrous middle ages back beyond the Eve wormhole.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.22 12:38:49 -
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Yroc Jannseen wrote: But maybe I'm wrong and I was in fact sub-consciously manipulated into to heading out to null to be a goon slave, doomed to suck crok and pay tower taxes the rest of my days in Eve.
There are wave projectors, man, all placed across the stragetic points on the perimeter of the Empire, man. I've seen one of these installations hidden inside a Dark Ochre roid in Catch region!
They are creating an army of mindless miners... for purposes unknown. It is the end of the beginning!
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.23 11:57:51 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:To the highsec miners complaining that null is getting a boost to mining, well do the simple thing
Move to NullSec
Indeed.
New data from CCP Quant - Active Character Locations in EVE
75% in Hisec 12% in Null 8% in LS
15-25% increases in pilots being active in Null, W-space and LS since Odyssey 1.1.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.23 14:37:58 -
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Aren't the Warp Core bonuses on the DSTs and the Venture against warp scrambling? Like the WCS, no?
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:55:38 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Querns wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:which should never happen since they warp so fast with +2 Warp Core.)
Warp Core Stability doesn't work the way you think it does. So I missed a ******* comma. Are you just intentionally daft? Or are you actually incapable of rational thinking? **** me. where exactly are you thinking you could put a comma in that sentence that would make it not wrong
So guys, does that bonus work like WCS or not? I must know. (Gò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.23 18:20:35 -
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That "issue" could be fixed with an increased delay on unloacking before all system anomalies are visible/warpable. Altho, that would reduce player interaction and make exploration a tad more tedious.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.24 15:05:26 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=417056&find=unread
Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015] stated on April 6th - for those of you interested.
Both Mexallon & Tritanium net supply/demand has gone positive for the first time since 2013. Then - it may have been decreased demand in times of peace, this time it is a structural and fundamental move:
http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=34#supply http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=36#supply
I welcome the coming reasonable T1 cost rebalance, courtesy of the Eternal Market Forces, in light of the doubling of Mega & Zyd inputs in manufacturing. Battleship cost will go up by mere 13-17 mil following these changes, while still not even being close to the share taken by Tritanium, Pyerite and Mexallon.
Tritanium alone accounts for 73 mil in the case of the Abaddon battleship, for an example.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.24 15:39:27 -
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As I've mentioned, it will rebalance with Lowends going lower and spreading their share to Highends in a few months time.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.24 16:43:42 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:GankYou wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=417056&find=unread Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015] stated on April 6th - for those of you interested. Both Mexallon & Tritanium net supply/demand has gone positive for the first time since 2013. Then - it may have been decreased demand in times of peace, this time it is a structural and fundamental move: http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=34#supply http://eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=36#supply I welcome the coming reasonable T1 cost rebalance, courtesy of the Eternal Market Forces, in light of the doubling of Mega & Zyd inputs in manufacturing. Battleship cost will go up by mere 13-17 mil following these changes, while still not even being close to the share taken by Tritanium, Pyerite and Mexallon. Tritanium alone accounts for 73 mil in the case of the Abaddon battleship, for an example. Just curious when you say net supply/demand being positive do you mean that there is an excess supply--i.e. more on the market than is being bought?
Of course.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.24 17:05:01 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Just looked at the 5 year history of pyerite and I have to say, the market for pyerite seems rather unperturbed by the proposed changes. Back in 2013 there was quite a stretch where pyerite prices were well under 12 ISK (sell order price). And there does not seem to be a sudden drop in pyerite prices in the last 60 days. There has been a slight decrease in price, but we are talking from a sell order price high of 12.83 to 12.1. That is is well above where it was in 2013.
No major price moves will happen until either the demand shifts from Highsec to Null, or till the newly-generated supply in Nullsec starts to leave the one in HS high and dry, or both. Such fundamental changes happen gradually and can not be forced by the market due the nature of these very resources.
A 14% drop in the price of Mexallon since Feb is a notable start.
As it stands right now, smart people are disposing of liabilities, i.e. capital ships, lowend mineral stocks, etc. I myself have quite a few Lowends locked in SKINed Battleship hulls right now.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.24 17:17:27 -
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Mario Putzo wrote: The only folks who have a legit gripe are T1 producers in HS, and even then, its only the entry level to mid skilled producers that will get hit, anyone who can produce T2 in HS will just be able to roll the costs over.
Why would producers be discontent? They should be delighted.
Lower input costs, means lower prices for the customer, which in turns means more inventory gets moved - you can even retain the same profit margins.
Teckos Pech wrote:GankYou wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
Just looked at the 5 year history of pyerite and I have to say, the market for pyerite seems rather unperturbed by the proposed changes. Back in 2013 there was quite a stretch where pyerite prices were well under 12 ISK (sell order price). And there does not seem to be a sudden drop in pyerite prices in the last 60 days. There has been a slight decrease in price, but we are talking from a sell order price high of 12.83 to 12.1. That is is well above where it was in 2013.
No major price moves will happen until either the demand shifts from Highsec to Null, or till the newly-generated supply in Nullsec starts to leave the one in HS high and dry, or both. Such fundamental changes happen gradually and can not be forced by the market due the nature of the resources. A 14% drop in the price of Mexallon since Feb is a notable start. As it stands right now, smart people are disposing of liabilities, i.e. capital ships, lowend mineral stocks, etc. I myself have quite a few Lowends locked in SKINed Battleship hulls right now. I'm not totally convinced we'll see a price move even then. After all trit is the same no matter where you are. Of course we have a global market right now in game with a big chunk of it moving through Jita 4-4 and Amarr...if the market becomes more distributed and less transportation costs...v0v. At any rate, I'm very curious to see how things play out. My guess is we have yet to see the price of zydrine hit its peak. Same for megacyte.
Like I said, this is only the beginning - new supply coming online and demand shifting elsewhere is an irresistible Force and can not be reasoned with.
As for Mega/Zyd - I see them going back to the good old days, well, perhaps not 5600/4000 ISK p/u respectively, but closer to 4500/3100, maybe even more, courtesy of the Sov system shake up and ensuing wars.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.24 17:34:19 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:GankYou wrote:Mario Putzo wrote: The only folks who have a legit gripe are T1 producers in HS, and even then, its only the entry level to mid skilled producers that will get hit, anyone who can produce T2 in HS will just be able to roll the costs over.
Why would producers be discontent? They should be delighted. Lower input costs, means lower prices for the customer, which in turns means more inventory gets moved - you can even retain the same profit margins. For entry level production and mid skilled production this won't be the case though.
Give a few examples with Blueprint Bill of Materials and we will see whether that is the case.
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.24 17:39:45 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:GankYou wrote:[ Like I said, this is only the beginning - new supply coming online and demand shifting elsewhere is an irresistible Force and can not be reasoned with. As for Mega/Zyd - I see them going back to the good old days, well, perhaps not 5600/4000 ISK p/u respectively, but closer to 4500/3100, maybe spiking even more, courtesy of the Sov system shake up and ensuing wars. Agreed. This might even help with keeping inflation under control. If mining becomes a ThingGäó in null for generating income and it pulls people out of the anomalies...then less ISK entering the economy lower inflation. At the very least this change will limit a surge in inflation due to more people ratting in null. Note to self: train my alts for mining as well as ratting.
I picked up a few nuggets again over the week - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5690383#post5690383
Heheh.
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Posted - 2015.04.24 17:49:53 -
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I'm overestimating, you're underestimating - something has to give, something has to give.
See you this Summer!
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GankYou
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Posted - 2015.04.24 17:59:26 -
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My Lowend forecasts weren't in the extreme, otherwise I present 3.5 Trit, 7.7 Pyerite, 32 Mex and 80 Isogen for you.
Averaging these opposing views brings you back to my reasonable prices found on the previous page, which have a scientific basis built into them.
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Posted - 2015.04.24 18:09:23 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:GankYou wrote:My Lowend forecasts weren't in the extreme, otherwise I present 3.5 Trit, 7.7 Pyerite, 32 Mex and 80 Isogen for you. Averaging these opposing views brings you back to my reasonable prices found on the previous page, which have a scientific basis built into them. Seems reasonable and somewhat close to the numbers i had the other day (4T 10P, 40M, 90I) So i guess we in discussions over what 5% call it a wash?
That's even more extreme than my original forecast,
GankYou wrote:As I've mentioned, it will rebalance with the prices of Lowends going lower and spreading their share to Highends in a few months time. Tritanium alone going from 5.5 to 4.5 would shave 14 mil off the cost. Mexallon at 42-43 ISK p/u is also nice. Oooh, and Pyerite at 9.35, and Isogen at 105 p/u... And...
I don't see them going any lower than this +-5%. Not with the capital ships firmly established in the game.
Damn capital ships.
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Posted - 2015.04.25 06:52:12 -
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Mario Putzo wrote: Its really to broad of scope for any accurate feedback anyway since it is mostly reliant on the market adjusting, as such Sisi will only provide false data in comparison to the market on TQ, and there is much much more volatility on TQ compared to Sisi that will impact these changes in the weeks/months to come.
By volatility on TQ, you mean liquidity, for higher liquidity equals lower volatility.
A very liquid marked moving on fundamental changes does truly represent the full scope of said changes, and can not be simulated in a lab environment like Singularity - that is true.
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Posted - 2015.04.26 13:16:23 -
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marly cortez wrote:Gave up on mining in December, un-subbed ten accounts and trashed the equipment due to CCP's ham fisted nerf's.
You mean, ISBoxer ban, darling?
Don't be hurt.
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Posted - 2015.04.27 11:52:56 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:GankYou wrote:marly cortez wrote:Gave up on mining in December, un-subbed ten accounts and trashed the equipment due to CCP's ham fisted nerf's.
You mean, ISBoxer ban, darling? Don't be hurt. See what happens when bots run wild on the Eve server Serenity - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4990317 Only the bots and people who sell their PLEX, or RMT to do PvP are left in the game, no human is seen doing any PvE, and everything is 3-10x times more expensive. Incidentally, that thread was posted on Sept of 2014, and let run to 6 pages. Yes, the ISBoxer ban (well the limited ban that is). Don't try using logic with the overly emotional it rarely works.
Bots can not deny the most Holy Logic algorithms, it is against their nature - they just shut down.
On-topic: Lowend prices have turned lower on fundamental news of nullsecks ore changes, after the expected ramp shortly after the ISBoxer ban in November - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5698547#post5698547
That didn't last long.
Some butthurt denizens were prophesying 300 mil Tech 1 cruisers and 3bn ISK Tengu after the November policy shift.
Oh well vOv
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Posted - 2015.04.30 18:42:52 -
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BREAKING NEWS - Mexallon has fallen to 48.6 ISK p/u in the Forge region - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5711392#post5711392
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Posted - 2015.05.01 04:19:41 -
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Rowells wrote:I'm literally watching my recent plagioclase investment crumble underneath me. Oops.
It's okay to cry. Tears of Joy.
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Posted - 2015.05.01 12:40:52 -
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The Last Goodbyes for Mexallon - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5713060#post5713060
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Posted - 2015.05.02 22:18:40 -
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Moon materials have been what kept this conflict dynamic for most of the first dacade. One point five Trillion ISK per month potential income on Dysprosium alone will do that.
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Posted - 2015.05.03 08:23:30 -
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If anyone wishes to compare the new per ore volumes per ore anomaly, the old ones can be found here - http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report_v3.pdf
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Posted - 2015.05.05 15:31:23 -
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Thanatos Harbinger wrote:
Ok, exaggerations I am still unhappy that you've taken the "guess-work" out of mining meta-game and how much you have nerfed mineral compositions of ores now too. We don't need more Tritanium in ores! We don't really need more Pyerite in Null ores, not at the cost of Zyd and Mega atleast!!
Thanatos (angrily) out, o7
This gentleman missed the point entirely. vOv
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Posted - 2015.05.06 03:55:10 -
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El Durango wrote:Mining in high sec is safe and easy. Mining in Null is a smaller market and risky dangerous. Nothing worse than a couple campers maroon in a crew of miners in station for an hour. You need guns in null to win. These changes seem to be to adjust the market...not affect mining mechanics or game play. It won't change much of anything.
I beg to differ, the critical mass is rising - https://element-43.com/market/36/
GÇó 0.0 Deklein - YA0-XJ VII - YA0GT610,902,255144.004 hours ago GÇó 0.0 Feythabolis - NLO-3Z VI - NLO2,602,123140.003 hours agoGÇó GÇó 0.0 Catch - GJ0-OJ IV - T1,557,703140.003 hours ago GÇó 0.0 Catch - 4-07MU V - TT3,725,763140.003 hours ago GÇó 0.0 Querious - B-7DFU IV - N0GUN7,294,353143.004 hours agoGÇó GÇó 0.0 Deklein - K5F-Z2 VIII - K5D2,817,579144.004 hours ago
And even more of Pyerite.
You need 85-94 mil of Mex to build a Supercarrier, around 300 mil for a Titan, 5 mil for a Carrier, 10 mil for a Dreadnaught and under 750k units for a Battleship.
Sweet, sweet Gneiss. Sweet, Sweet Spodumain.
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Posted - 2015.05.06 22:38:01 -
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I'd keep my eye on the NS Buy orders instead, if you're genuinely interested - if people think they can get the volumes that they need and those orders get filled, even in part, then it can become an avalanche.
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