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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.04.30 06:10:02 -
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So, what about bumpers and gankers in NPC corps? They don't care about taxes or structure limitations. They are alts who do not run missions, mine, produce, market or do anything that would affect them. They have absolutely no drawbacks for their stay in safety.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.04.30 08:06:28 -
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By the way, please also keep in mind that there are many people who are not interested in too much social interaction. I am perfectly happy in my 1-man corp, where I enjoy freedom, prosperity and the life how I want to live it. For social interaction, I attend various public channels. My goal is to live my uneventful daily life in EVE with some spice here and there.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.04.30 08:40:09 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:So, what about bumpers and gankers in NPC corps?
Are they undertaking income generating activities? No. They don't really matter. Quote:They have absolutely no drawbacks for their stay in safety. Gankers aren't safe in NPC corps. To most of them, you can shoot them anywhere. So I hardly see why that even matters, unless you brought it up just to derail the thread by griping about ganking. Bumpers are not undertaking income generating activities? I beg your pardon, but people like Siegfried Cohenberg, Dibbes and others earn hundreds of millions from extortion. In their NPC corp bumping Machariels. They matter, they of all people matter the most. As long as they can stay unaffected in NPC corps, going after their business, I deem any attempt to force other people out of NPC corps a failed policy.
I know more than enough gankers, Thrasher, Vexor and Tornado gankers mostly, who are in NPC corps and have a security status well above -5. you cannot shoot them anywhere just like that. Oh, and before you give me public killrights on them: I will certainly not pay 80M to shoot a Thrasher or 400M to shoot a Tornado.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.04.30 09:22:24 -
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Income is earning ISK, regardless of the means or sources. What you are talking about is ISK generation. Earning ISK by ISK redistribution from one character to another is Income generation.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.04.30 09:42:10 -
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Black Pedro wrote:That all said, I have no problem with bumpers, gankers, scammers and the sort being forced into wardeccable player corps, as long as that is the rule for all players. What is good for the goose is good for the gander... I share this sentiment, but others seem to be vehemently opposed to it.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:22:47 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Who? All I've been telling you is that your insistence on derailing the thread by crying about gankers is misplaced to begin with, since most of them are perma flashy anyway. Your insistence on that I derail threads is alway amusing to read. I have not seen myself shed any tear about ganking as they do not affect me. What I care about, however, is their hypocrisy and I will not grow tired of pointing that out over and over again when people of your caliber call for more punishment for players who do not follow your rules while you do not follow your own rules. Whether that is about gankers, war deccers, sissy PVPers or PVEers.
As Black Pedro pointed it out: The same rules have to apply to all players equally. And as long as your lot keeps up the income generation in NPC corps, I do not see any warrant for changes to the system. You want other people to follow your example, so set an example that they can follow. Hint: Siegfried Cohenberg's stay in Deep Core Mining is not the example you are looking for. If that is derailing a thread about more involved war dec mechanics in order to make income generation more risky, make sure to keep up entertaining me.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.05.01 10:12:52 -
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Fancy, now we start GMing people because ideas don't suit the personal taste. Well done.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.05.01 10:53:08 -
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Income generating or ISK generating?
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.05.01 11:17:37 -
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so, I have an alt who does some market and hauls contracts. He's, by your logic, not generating income and should be excluded from wardecability. Or that other alt in his corp who just helps the first alt move stuff around from contracts. Oh, and then there is that alt who does some ransoming to gain more ISK. Do I understand that correctly? vOv
@afkalt I don't know if that is irrelevant to the topic or not. If wardecs are meant to curb income potential, it should apply to each and every form of income. So far, some people like to exclude some forms of income generated in NPC corp safety.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.05.02 05:48:26 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:also there are a lot of constellations about the place highsec could hardly be divided up between a few groups... That coming from Marmite, who together with RVB just kicked PIRAT around in the Domain area only to let small corps' pocos fall back to PIRAT is almost comical.
Currently, there is no point in small corps holding assets in economical areas unless they do it by the security by obscurity paradigm, neither will it be after such a change. They would, just as now, be forced to go to less and less attractive areas of space, where no one cares to go, and where they have less means to make money and where transportation cost, for instance, eats up a lot of the potential profits of production. I indeed see a lot of strive here.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.05.02 06:16:40 -
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By lack of opposition. You should realize full well that, when you take the past into consideration, no change to encourage more corporation activity and fight for what you want to keep has resulted in any significant change of behavior in players. They always chose the path of least resistance.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.05.02 07:18:28 -
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I have profound doubts that this would happen. It is already difficult to sell many things in Amarr, compared to Jita. Even more fragmentation would just lead to even less sales and ultimately and quickly back to concentration. So, if you wanted to try and set up a hub, you'd bind money there, lose money there to taxes/fees and ultimately have to ship to a big hub anyways and lose money on transportation and fees/taxes again.
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