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S3LICI3
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:14:52 -
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i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
36226
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:17:59 -
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Just undock.
You are not likely to be ganked.
So you might find that your perception doesn't match reality and you are going to be ok.
Otherwise, just give UAE your stuff. This feels like a bait post anyway, so your stuff may be much better with UAE.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4822
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:20:54 -
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
I play EVE daily, and haven't had much of any trouble.
In the past 6 years I've had one gank, and that was because I made a mistake. I've also been bumped once, but warped-off because I wasn't AFK. I've had zero problems running missions or mining. |
Paranoid Loyd
4875
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:21:17 -
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It's really quite simple, if you don't want to be prey, then don't act like prey.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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S3LICI3
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:21:33 -
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yeah i get what you mean, thanks for that, good comment. i'm not quitting yet so i need my stuff. is UAE your corp? |
Paranoid Loyd
4875
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:24:07 -
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No UAE just has perma dibs on stuff from quitters who post in GD, but apparently you don't need to worry about that.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1545
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:26:21 -
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I really can't tell from your post whether you're seeing more or less ganks than you used to.
Who put the goat in there?
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4822
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:29:14 -
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Have you thought about what you are doing that would make you a target?
Have you thought about how to avoid being a target? [Other than by not undocking?]
Have you asked others or searched for advice on how to avoid being ganked?
Example, a few of my posts on mining, but generally useful stuff:
How to mine with a bullseye on your back Suicide ganks Need help with starting the game. |
Zealous Miner
171
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:45:32 -
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If anything all of this violence and danger should make the game more exciting for you.
www.minerbumping.com
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Mag's
the united
19334
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:53:52 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I have no idea what you are talking about. This.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1546
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Posted - 2015.04.23 00:56:21 -
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Zealous Miner wrote:If anything all of this violence and danger should make the game more exciting for you. That's sort of what he said, and the reason I'm more confused each time I re-read the post between wiping the blood out of my eyes. All I got was "The game used to be fun because of gankers, but now it's not worth playing anymore. What happened to all the gankers?" Considering the buffs to safety and nerfs to ganking in the last 5 years, it fits his timeline.
Who put the goat in there?
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
140
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:41:53 -
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S3LICI3 wrote:i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened?
Having gamed back then too, i can tell you suicide ganking was a thing... but rare (a few per weeks).
Now it's a few per days, thanks to some pretty big nerfs to freighters apparently. Back then, no one ever imagined to suicide gank a freighter, and when they did... the freighter usually lived (concord was very quick in dealing with them back then).
Now it's just different, so be smart and don't fly what you can't afford. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2178
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:54:39 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:Now it's a few per days, thanks to some pretty big nerfs to freighters apparently. Back then, no one ever imagined to suicide gank a freighter, and when they did... the freighter usually lived (concord was very quick in dealing with them back then). This is actually completely backwards.
Freighters got an EHP reduction because they now have the ability to fit modules. If you tank a freighter they get more EHP than they used to. CONCORD response times also got faster, not slower and a number of ganking tactics got patched out of the game.
The difference now is that there exists a very organized and very dedicated ganking community. Largely this community was founded out of anger against carebears that repeatedly complained to get ganking and other forms of PVP nerfed, got their way and still don't do anything themselves to avoid ganking.
Freighters still tough, if they're tanked, mining barges have more EHP and CONCORD responds faster and is more effective than it used to be. There's also now no insurance payouts for ships lost while ganking.
Aside from fun a profit people now also gank for ideological reasons. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21208
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Posted - 2015.04.23 01:56:01 -
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Bait thread, meet adorable baby platypus picture.
Also, your stuff, can.. oh wait.. this has been covered already. Enjoy that pic though.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1379
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Posted - 2015.04.23 02:16:02 -
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Probably another Code alt.
Ganking is more focused and less random. Null Sec coalitions are fewer, larger, more focused and less random High Sec mining corporations are ... well they are what they are ... Worm Hole dwellers are more focused and less random.
Get out there and find a reason for someone to come into conflict with you. Currently, if some tiny gang or solo guy comes near my home systems, I dock up and do something else. Too much entertainment for them and a waste of my time and effort chasing them around. Stomp them like the cockroaches that they are and and they are soon back in another interceptor to repeat the annoying process. NC. blow our SBUs and out we go in a CTA. They gave us a good reason to form up and do something.
So, don't feel entitled to be served up content every minute of the day just because you pay your subscription.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1651
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Posted - 2015.04.23 02:27:43 -
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I too was once also and therefore began other examples.
Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers!
Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
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Otso Bakarti
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2015.04.23 04:30:57 -
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UAE must have too much stuff, then. I volunteer to take care of the overage. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
36228
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Posted - 2015.04.23 05:03:58 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:UAE must have too much stuff, then. I volunteer to take care of the overage. In theory, everything in the game belongs to UAE, just that people haven't left yet.
So it's technically impossible for him to have too much and it's technically impossible for him to give it away, since the person he gives it to will eventually leave the game and it's UAEs again.
Even your stuff belongs to him.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
317
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Posted - 2015.04.23 06:52:18 -
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I spent a couple hours on the undock of jita 4-4 launching snowballs at the station and causing quite a ruckus from the stations program of fun slaughter by use of massive amounts of defender missiles. And I didn't get ganked. And the activity can be quite annoying to others.
But it is funny cause a lot of people think your being attacked and are amazed when they target you and see you taking no damage. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
7952
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Posted - 2015.04.23 08:10:57 -
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Move out of high sec? There are no High sec suicide squads there.
Technical Support
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20897
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Posted - 2015.04.23 09:36:48 -
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I haven't been suicide ganked in years ...
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
47117
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Posted - 2015.04.23 11:59:53 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: aw, so cuteee |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous WINMATAR.
35956
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Posted - 2015.04.23 12:07:19 -
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I do miss the hulkageddon events. now it's just Burn Jita.
Critically Preposterous is recruiting! Join the fight!
I am a cat.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21213
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Posted - 2015.04.23 15:23:10 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:I do miss the hulkageddon events. now it's just Burn Jita.
We could just do Burn Hulkageddon so we can come full circle. Use Hulks to suicide gank Catalysts in Jita.
Id watch the **** out of that.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1004
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Posted - 2015.04.23 15:36:02 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Can... can I have one?
I'm sure the cat wont mind.
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Sointu Luonnotar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2015.04.23 15:52:21 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The difference now is that there exists a very organized and very dedicated ganking community. Largely this community was founded out of anger against carebears that repeatedly complained to get ganking and other forms of PVP nerfed, got their way and still don't do anything themselves to avoid ganking.
Aside from fun a profit people now also gank for ideological reasons.
Which just goes to show that the self-entitled badasses of EVE get more epicly buttmad than any carebear ever could when their fun is being interrupted or their professions get shafted by patches. |
Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:01:44 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Move out of high sec? There are no High sec suicide squads there. +1 This is actually sums it up.
If you are in high sec and you got enough ISK in your cargo or mods you will get ganked at some point. And it makes no difference if you are in a battleship, a frigate or a freighter. It makes no difference if you got 1K or 100K EHP. Why? Because people can gank with so much ease and with no actual consequences atm. So if you stay in high sec you will have to deal with it eventually. Fun or not its here for now.
Some call it an exploit of game mechanics others gankin fun and some pvp for F1 monkeys. Its available to everyone however. Depends where you are looking at it from. Take your pick |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20905
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:13:20 -
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Sointu Luonnotar wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The difference now is that there exists a very organized and very dedicated ganking community. Largely this community was founded out of anger against carebears that repeatedly complained to get ganking and other forms of PVP nerfed, got their way and still don't do anything themselves to avoid ganking.
Aside from fun a profit people now also gank for ideological reasons.
Which just goes to show that the self-entitled badasses of EVE get more epicly buttmad than any carebear ever could when their fun is being interrupted or their professions get shafted by patches. They don't cry, wish anyone ill or death.
You seem to think it's fun when other people feel bad or angry.
Look ... we have a hater here.
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1716
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:15:49 -
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I'm clocking at 1 failed attempt and no success gank on me since I started playing.
Solecist Project wrote:I haven't been suicide ganked in years ...
Yeah but you're Sol... |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
20905
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:21:30 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:I'm clocking at 1 failed attempt and no success gank on me since I started playing. Solecist Project wrote:I haven't been suicide ganked in years ... Yeah but you're Sol... *kinks* (:
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10773
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:49:31 -
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S3LICI3 wrote:i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened?
This is pretty much a useless ramble, as you didn't describe WHAT changed that makes you not want to log in.
Well, things have changed in EVE, good and bad. The thing that probably changed and thus "caused" your boredom with it, however, is most likely YOU.. "Boredom" occurs when a person mistakenly blames the environment for what is actually more likely to be THEM responding to a set of internal mental or emotional factors (then blaming something external like EVE for it).
(Side note: another really interesting article related to this subject)
You aren't alone, people do it all day, there is a significant faction of this very forum's population who blame their boredom or lack of interest in the game on the game and thus (falsely) believe that if CCP changes something (like "add more content") then they will be ok. Actually, most MMOs thrive on the fact that people mistakenly blame their boredom on an environmental factors, and get people to spend money in cash shops to unlock "content" to medicate the symptoms of that boredom (it "i want to win" that fuels the behavior like people believe, it's "I don't want to be bored and new shiny stuff that I can use to beat others thus getting bragging rights will help me not be bored").
It's yet another reason what EVE isn't for everyone. CCP doesn't introduce a lot of new real 'content', they rely on us to make out own. Those of us who are good at this, good at making our own fun in game are probably not the adrenaline junky types in game or in real life. If you are the kind who is prone to "boredom", Then EVE might not be the right game for you. Lots of things people call"boring" in EVE I call "relaxing".
I do it a lot with PVE, trying new things like how to solo Drifters, how to solo a Blood Raider 10/10 (damn the guy who made that video who figured out something that I couldn't!), how to make more "isk per tick" in a null anomaly etc etc. Others do it with figuring out how to beat pvp ships with industrials or figuring out how to make mad isk with Cheap ships in dangerous low sec.. I've played EVE for going on 8 years now, and I have yet to be 'bored' with the game, which leads me to the brilliant observation below (as if an observation of the obvious can be brilliant lol):
People who get 'bored' in a rich situation like EVE Online have two things in common, they have low levels of both creativity and drive. They do the same things over and over (be it PVE, or PVP) because they are the types who like to do only the things they feel competent at, then blame the game for their boredom when the "boredom" comes from inside themselves.
TL;DR it's probably you dude. |
Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
1
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Posted - 2015.04.23 19:01:44 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:S3LICI3 wrote:i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened? This is pretty much a useless ramble, as you didn't describe WHAT changed that makes you not want to log in. Well, things have changed in EVE, good and bad. The thing that probably changed and thus "caused" your boredom with it, however, is most likely YOU.. "Boredom" occurs when a person mistakenly blames the environment for what is actually more likely to be THEM responding to a set of internal mental or emotional factors (then blaming something external like EVE for it). (Side note: another really interesting article related to this subject) You aren't alone, people do it all day, there is a significant faction of this very forum's population who blame their boredom or lack of interest in the game on the game and thus (falsely) believe that if CCP changes something (like "add more content") then they will be ok. Actually, most MMOs thrive on the fact that people mistakenly blame their boredom on an environmental factors, and get people to spend money in cash shops to unlock "content" to medicate the symptoms of that boredom (it "i want to win" that fuels the behavior like people believe, it's "I don't want to be bored and new shiny stuff that I can use to beat others thus getting bragging rights will help me not be bored"). It's yet another reason what EVE isn't for everyone. CCP doesn't introduce a lot of new real 'content', they rely on us to make out own. Those of us who are good at this, good at making our own fun in game are probably not the adrenaline junky types in game or in real life. If you are the kind who is prone to "boredom", Then EVE might not be the right game for you. Lots of things people call"boring" in EVE I call "relaxing". I do it a lot with PVE, trying new things like how to solo Drifters, how to solo a Blood Raider 10/10 (damn the guy who made that video who figured out something that I couldn't!), how to make more "isk per tick" in a null anomaly etc etc. Others do it with figuring out how to beat pvp ships with industrials or figuring out how to make mad isk with Cheap ships in dangerous low sec.. I've played EVE for going on 8 years now, and I have yet to be 'bored' with the game, which leads me to the brilliant observation below (as if an observation of the obvious can be brilliant lol): People who get 'bored' in a rich situation like EVE Online have two things in common, they have low levels of both creativity and drive. They do the same things over and over (be it PVE, or PVP) because they are the types who like to do only the things they feel competent at, then blame the game for their boredom when the "boredom" comes from inside themselves. TL;DR it's probably you dude.
Great post. Also, OP, if the game is boring because high sec got more safe, do something about it. BECOME the suicide ganker |
Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
238
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Posted - 2015.04.23 19:54:37 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: People who get 'bored' in a rich situation like EVE Online have two things in common, they have low levels of both creativity and drive. They do the same things over and over (be it PVE, or PVP) because they are the types who like to do only the things they feel competent at, then blame the game for their boredom when the "boredom" comes from inside themselves.
Cannot. Hit. Like. Enough.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
342
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Posted - 2015.04.23 21:04:38 -
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CAPITALS! ... is the answer. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12787
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Posted - 2015.04.23 21:22:43 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Can... can I have one? I'm sure the cat wont mind.
You could get one, but it'd be just a platypus, they don't do much.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Raiz Nhell
Drunk Axolotl
407
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Posted - 2015.04.24 00:32:33 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Can... can I have one? I'm sure the cat wont mind. You could get one, but it'd be just a platypus, they don't do much.
They can eat yabbies... and if you get a male one they can poison you...
But apart from that, they aren't a very interesting
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1010
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Posted - 2015.04.24 00:56:06 -
[37] - Quote
S3LICI3 wrote:i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened? Ok first: Miner! Calm down!
Highsec is a thing of the past. It's now called New Order Territory. Just make sure you follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct and you will be ok. Make sure you get a mining permit from your local New Order Agent.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Paranoid Loyd
4894
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Posted - 2015.04.24 01:39:19 -
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Raiz Nhell wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Can... can I have one? I'm sure the cat wont mind. You could get one, but it'd be just a platypus, they don't do much. They can eat yabbies... and if you get a male one they can poison you... But apart from that, they aren't a very interesting Let's not forget about the "awww, it's sooooo cute" factor with the ladies (sorry Hengle). Can't be any less and I would imagine it would be more useful than a puppy.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
47188
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Posted - 2015.04.24 01:54:42 -
[39] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Let's not forget about the "awww, it's sooooo cute" factor with the ladies (sorry Hengle). Can't be any less and I would imagine it would be more useful than a puppy. I am not ashamed of my reaction! |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
141
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Posted - 2015.04.24 02:24:44 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:Now it's a few per days, thanks to some pretty big nerfs to freighters apparently. Back then, no one ever imagined to suicide gank a freighter, and when they did... the freighter usually lived (concord was very quick in dealing with them back then). This is actually completely backwards. Freighters got an EHP reduction because they now have the ability to fit modules. If you tank a freighter they get more EHP than they used to. CONCORD response times also got faster, not slower and a number of ganking tactics got patched out of the game. The difference now is that there exists a very organized and very dedicated ganking community. Largely this community was founded out of anger against carebears that repeatedly complained to get ganking and other forms of PVP nerfed, got their way and still don't do anything themselves to avoid ganking. Freighters still tough, if they're tanked, mining barges have more EHP and CONCORD responds faster and is more effective than it used to be. There's also now no insurance payouts for ships lost while ganking. Aside from fun a profit people now also gank for ideological reasons.
Concord was instant death back then, and caused a lot of lag.
Freighter thing might be true, iv never flown one. |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1386
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Posted - 2015.04.24 02:24:49 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: ... (damn the guy who made that video who figured out something that I couldn't!), ... That must be rare for a professor of everything.
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Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.04.24 02:54:10 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:Concord was instant death back then, and caused a lot of lag. Sorry, but you're just plain factually wrong. Response times have been the same since the massive CONCORD buff in Empyrean Age where they were significantly reduced, not increased.
In the same patch CONCORD ships were made more powerful, not less powerful and got their EWAR capabilities when they previously had none. Not only do CONCORD ships arrive faster, but as soon as they arrive the ganker immediately loses the ability to even have a locked target.
The reason that CONCORD caused lag prior to that was that they spawned in large numbers. Because they were made so much more effective there isn't any point having as many spawn.
You could not be more incorrect about this subject.
Are there things some things that have benefited gankers in some way? Sure, there's a couple, but they sure as hell are not changes to CONCORD. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.04.24 03:30:07 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:In the same patch CONCORD ships were made more powerful, not less powerful and got their EWAR capabilities when they previously had none. Not only do CONCORD ships arrive faster, but as soon as they arriveengage the ganker immediately loses the ability to even have a locked target. They arrive on grid and it takes a few seconds for them to engage.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.04.24 03:42:23 -
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S3LICI3 wrote:i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened?
The first thing I recommend is to get a new keyboard. The shift and return keys seem to be broken on yours.
Mr Epeen
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.04.24 04:27:53 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: ... (damn the guy who made that video who figured out something that I couldn't!), ... That must be rare for a professor of everything.
But I'm not the professor of everything, for you see my good fellow, I'm not smarter than most people... I'm just smarter than you.
Oh....Snap. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2015.04.24 06:35:11 -
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May be my mistake and I over estimate people but I don't think you give yourself enough credit, OP.
Doing the same thing for 10 hr marathon runs, day in and day out for years isn't going to hold the appeal unless you are a gold fish. High Sec ganking for all the fluff hasn't changed that much in the last 5 years. I think that's the problem with all of EVE. While there are new ways to run around the barn we are still running around a barn. I'm not here to rage or hate on anyone, maybe its all we were ever meant to do but people are pretty sharp minded creatures, EVE players in general being an aggressive version of them. We burn out easy when we aren't challenged and synthetic input is a diversion. EVE simply doesn't challenge you any more and you don't seem to see it at a *****'n'giggles level so it isn't entertaining you either.
Unfortunately I can't appreciate EVE at the *****'n'giggles level either. It`s my loss really but after this many years in New Eden it might be all that`s left. At least until someone pulls a rabbit out of the hat and imagines new spaces beyond the barn. That`s a Dev challenge though, not a player challenge and I`ll be in GTA 5 online until they figure it out. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.25 01:50:08 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: ... (damn the guy who made that video who figured out something that I couldn't!), ... That must be rare for a professor of everything. But I'm not the professor of everything, for you see my good fellow, I'm not smarter than most people... I'm just smarter than you. Oh....Snap. Categorically, that is highly improbable.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.04.25 02:51:50 -
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Sointu Luonnotar wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The difference now is that there exists a very organized and very dedicated ganking community. Largely this community was founded out of anger against carebears that repeatedly complained to get ganking and other forms of PVP nerfed, got their way and still don't do anything themselves to avoid ganking.
Aside from fun a profit people now also gank for ideological reasons.
Which just goes to show that the self-entitled badasses of EVE get more epicly buttmad than any carebear ever could when their fun is being interrupted or their professions get shafted by patches. They've adapted to change by becoming very organised and dedicated, the carebear response is to demand more nerfs to; big difference. One group is self entitled, the other group is doing it right.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Snuggle Society The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.04.25 04:43:52 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:S3LICI3 wrote:i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened? Having gamed back then too, i can tell you suicide ganking was a thing... but rare (a few per weeks). Now it's a few per days, thanks to some pretty big nerfs to freighters apparently. Back then, no one ever imagined to suicide gank a freighter, and when they did... the freighter usually lived (concord was very quick in dealing with them back then). Now it's just different, so be smart and don't fly what you can't afford. That many? I'm almost never attacked in high sec even when suspect or criminal. I think I've been illegally agressed twice in my eve career total?
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Posted - 2015.04.25 07:04:31 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:d0cTeR9 wrote:S3LICI3 wrote:i just returned to eve a few months ago after being gone about 5 years. yes, there were suicide gankers and there was danger and it was a lot of fun (that's why i came back). the danger made the game fun, i expected to lose some ships and when i did, no complaint, i put "good fight" or "g/f" in local and a few minutes later i am back in a new ship having fun and its all good. now it is different, not the same game it was 5 years ago. since i came back, i log in on the weekends (my days off work and best time for eve), i check the killboards and what? no point today - why bother to undock? so i log out and do something else on my day off, try again later. seems to be like this all the time now. what has happened to the eve i used to love so much? i used to do allnighters, i couldn't get enough i was logged in as much as i could. now only a few hours a week during slow times, weekends impossible now, .5 and .6 suicide fleets of bored veterans? what happened? Having gamed back then too, i can tell you suicide ganking was a thing... but rare (a few per weeks). Now it's a few per days, thanks to some pretty big nerfs to freighters apparently. Back then, no one ever imagined to suicide gank a freighter, and when they did... the freighter usually lived (concord was very quick in dealing with them back then). Now it's just different, so be smart and don't fly what you can't afford. That many? I'm almost never attacked in high sec even when suspect or criminal. I think I've been illegally agressed twice in my eve career total? The poster you quote writes nonsense. And it feels like he is talking to himself anyway.
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2015.04.26 03:50:57 -
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The older Eve players gradually got smarter and realized what most SB pilots and strategic players worked out five plus years ago... that posting to killboards is just giving other players free intel on what ships you fly and how you build them.
Meanwhile, the devs actually flew their camera drone out of the exhaust port after most of a decade and fixed the new player experience so that there was actual stuff to do for people who hadn't already played for five years, notably adding supported PvP modes for small ships other than piracy (not that there's anything wrong with piracy, but still). Those people don't typically care much about KB stats, either, and are now much if not most of the PvP in the game.
Thus, lower participation and the boards aren't showing much of the activity.
It's not that people stopped PvPing, it's that you're looking at a metric for activity that's become increasingly obsolete. |
Otso Bakarti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.26 05:04:08 -
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All the usual suspects.
I once attended university with a guy who never went to class. He sat under a tree and picked his toenails. When asked why he spent his time so, he'd wind out a rather extensive justification which amounted to the equivalent of what cows do when they're in the field, not eating or ruminating, or lowing to one another. For those who might find that vague, perhaps the image of what horses leave behind on the parade route might help.
Gank that. |
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