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John MacCoy
Amarr Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 22:57:00 -
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Its a fair question that I would really like answered.
So far everything about Kali is making the other 3 races more powerful while crippling gallente in every way. So far tech 2 ammo for blasters and railguns is getting mega nerfed to the point that it is completely pointless. The tier 2 battlecruiser isnt really as good as the other three. The tier 3 battleship is a joke. And because of the hp increases blasterships cant sustain enough cap to keep their setups running long enough to kill a ship, even if they are cap injected. You add all this stuff up and gallente have the fighting ability of a baseball bat made from wet noodles.
Every other race has got some nice stuff going on in Kali. All 3 races get very nice tier 2 battlecruisers and some really nice tier 3 battleships. Also, they arent getting the mega nerf-bat treatment like gallente is getting.
So my question to CCP and whoever is incharge of the Kali patch to please fix some of the stuff with gallente before you break it.
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Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.02 23:01:00 -
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And it's an amarr saying it.
Rejoyce, the fall of the gallente. Now all we need is the fall of caldari too, but i don't see that coming anytime soon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. *sigh* |
Tiuwaz
Minmatar Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.02 23:02:00 -
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betting 10 isks that gallente will be still the #1/#2 race after kali hits TQ
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.02 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz betting 10 isks that gallente will be still the #1/#2 race after kali hits TQ
Yup, let's just hope they won't be the win-button race they are atm
nerf nerf nerf gallente!!one!
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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.11.02 23:35:00 -
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Well as a long time Gallente pilot/player all I have to say is "roll with it".
Every race has their time flying overnerfed ships as much as they spend flying overboosted ships. While it's a shame the Gallente never got the love of having something completely overboosted like the Gankageddon we've also never been hurt that badly (as long as you ignore blasters, but those have been broken almost since launch).
Sure it sucks that these revisions effectively just broke the kneecaps of the bigger blaster boats and sure it sucks that our new ships are a bit of a joke but overall things are still good. I mean we still have drones and unless the Nos nerf rumor is true we still have the Nos Domi to fill the close in role. Heck, for the cost the Nos Domi has always been better than a MegaBlaster anyways.
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Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 23:44:00 -
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Be nice, Isyel!
Forsch Defender of the empire
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Wraithborn
Gallente InterMind Unlimited New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 23:56:00 -
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why why why must we be pasted like this, a gall bc or bs will have no chance at all against any of the other 3 races. to start with why are we only race that cant hit with all types of damage? em/explosive ammo would have been the thing i wanted for t2 weapons that would have made the score even but that is far to much to ask for why should we be able to use same ammo as all other races oh yea so we can always be countered by the same type of resist its too easy to stop our weapons but caldari can use all types of damage sad i have to train caldari or minitar just to stay alive in any pvp
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John MacCoy
Amarr Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Crausaum I mean we still have drones and unless the Nos nerf rumor is true we still have the Nos Domi to fill the close in role. Heck, for the cost the Nos Domi has always been better than a MegaBlaster anyways.
You're forgetting that with the major ECM nerf that the Domi and Ishtar with be severely weakened.
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SmokeDog
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Posted - 2006.11.03 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: John MacCoy
Originally by: Crausaum I mean we still have drones and unless the Nos nerf rumor is true we still have the Nos Domi to fill the close in role. Heck, for the cost the Nos Domi has always been better than a MegaBlaster anyways.
You're forgetting that with the major ECM nerf that the Domi and Ishtar with be severely weakened.
By severely weakened you mean somewhat balanced now, right?
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Phrixus Zephyr
Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 03/11/2006 01:45:28 TBH id say Domi and Ishtar got balanced, not nerfed.
As for Gallente getting shafted (atm) yeah, we kinda do, but so do Amarr aswell. They get a broken BS like we do (some would say so do minnie's). The cap issue effect's Amarr even more than Gallente. So we get a null nerf to compensate. Minmatar also get pwnt by the HP nerf because of Artillery alphastrike.
Everyone get's screwed because of drone's not getting the HP boost. Gallente just have more to lose. You're forgeting Curse/Pilgrim and any BS that use's heavie's though.
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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2006.11.03 03:36:00 -
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Yes, things could be getting out of hand with the small hits to some ship setups adding up to ruin the setup. I hadn't factored in the ECM nerf so things do look a little down for the thinking pilots setups (if such a thing exists). It looks as if things could really just turn into a DPS war on some ship setups.
People are correct here, it's not just a Galltente issue; it's an Amarr issue too. ECM was overpowered so a nerf was in order, severity of that nerf is debatable and the elimination of ECM from non Caldari vessels is simply insulting to those of us who are racial specialists.
All in all I don't really have a problem with a mediocre showing of ships as long as we all take the same hit, my problem lies with the fact the Caldari still get to keep ships with a bit of a high jamming success rate while they also get a fairly good sniper boat.
Chasing gate snipers at 200km is getting old and having fleet battles at 200km is not a real gem of gameplay either but nerfing the sniper ammo only to replace it with a ship that is still able to snipe (and belongs to another race!) is bothersome to say the least.
I am hopeful that we are all just conjecturing and that all these ship issues will be resolved before release because otherwise we're going to see a whole lot of people retraining and then complaining when the Caldari ships get balanced later.
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Lucre
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Wraithborn why why why must we be pasted like this, a gall bc or bs will have no chance at all against any of the other 3 races. to start with why are we only race that cant hit with all types of damage?
Did somebody delete all the EM and Explosive drones when I wasn't looking?
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The Armin
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.03 12:52:00 -
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LoL at this thread, he's saying we get an awesome bs !!11 Where is it ?!!?! All I see is the Abaddon
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.03 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lucre
Originally by: Wraithborn why why why must we be pasted like this, a gall bc or bs will have no chance at all against any of the other 3 races. to start with why are we only race that cant hit with all types of damage?
Did somebody delete all the EM and Explosive drones when I wasn't looking?
And I wonder what he thinks amarr is using as weapons. Or have we sunken already so low that we do not qualify as "race"?
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.11.03 13:02:00 -
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imo, and i have played 3 out of the 4 races quite intensively, and have done some amrr fighting [all with specilised alts in each field]
galante: best BS class, great domi, great megathron
minmatar: best HACs/ cruisers/ CS/ best solo on average
amarr: best group BS, but that is not by far, they do have it bad
caldari: very effective raven at everything. overpowered ecm
if somehow the devs forgot to backup eve data and the servers got a virus that wiped everything out, and we ahad to start again id chose to go with galante, but only because i like flying BS. if your into crusisers/cepters/frigs/bc id go with mini if you npc the most and pvp a bit caldari is your choice have not figured out why u would want amarr yet though
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Perry
Amarr The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.03 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
And I wonder what he thinks amarr is using as weapons. Or have we sunken already so low that we do not qualify as "race"?
Well, a race consists of players that fly ships that have an edge or two in certain aspects. But there are no edges left. Thus im finding myself more and more in gangs flying the only amarr ship, rest is usually Cal/Gal/Min in even mix.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.03 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: John MacCoy Its a fair question
No its not. More like a false statement.
You think Maelstrom or Abaddon are excellent ships? Only Caldari got a good tier 3. So lets scratch that off your "Tux hates gallente" list right away.
I agree with the Myrmidon having crappy dps, but the Brutix remains one of the highest dps battlecruisers even amongst the tier 2 ones. Maybe ccp intends that one to be the ganker, and Myrmidon more like a tanker or something. I dont know. It seems abit week, I agree with that.
The hp boost affects Amarr just as much as Gallente. It affects minmatar in the form of useless alpha strikes. It doesnt affect Caldari in any negative way from what I can see, but fine. At least we are 3 races being affected by it, and probably the cap users more than the no cap users.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 13:27:00 -
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I anticipate that the Mega will continue to be one of the top two fleet-combat BS in the game. ....
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Ellaine TashMurkon
MetaForge
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Posted - 2006.11.03 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: John MacCoy Its a fair question that I would really like answered.
So far everything about Kali is making the other 3 races more powerful while crippling gallente in every way. So far tech 2 ammo for blasters and railguns is getting mega nerfed to the point that it is completely pointless.
Laser crystals and projectile ammo are nerfed in exactly same way. All are still usefull, just less overpowered.
Quote: The tier 2 battlecruiser isnt really as good as the other three.
Its midway from a very very good cruiser - vexor to very very good BS - domi. Its great if You use more drones then guns.
Quote: The tier 3 battleship is a joke.
Well, this I cant discuss as I'm not using fast blaster setups.
Quote: And because of the hp increases blasterships cant sustain enough cap to keep their setups running long enough to kill a ship, even if they are cap injected.
So, what shuld Amarrians say, they have 3 times more problems with cap wen shooting.
Quote: Every other race has got some nice stuff going on in Kali. All 3 races get very nice tier 2 battlecruisers and some really nice tier 3 battleships. Also, they arent getting the mega nerf-bat treatment like gallente is getting.
The Abaddon is at least as problematic as Hyperion.
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Centurin
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.03 14:50:00 -
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The quick answer to the OP's question is that it's not CCP that hates Gallente AND Amarr. Its Tux! ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime |
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Takigama
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Takigama on 03/11/2006 15:29:13 How much have u looked at rigs? (i started building them last friday, but havent seen singularity up since, so i havent had the chance to try them yet).
The main reason I bring that up is soley for the MAJOR work thats going to have to go into balancing to make sure you cant create an i-win button. Actually, I worry a little bit that so many things are coming in kali its going to be a nightmare to balance. But, my point is more "hey, it only just got here, its a little early to be whinging quite that painfully"
Last time i did login tho, the hyperion was as buggy as the windows ipv6 stack and still looked like the megathron.
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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:41:00 -
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HP boost and lower cap due to guns and longer tanking? Caldari will get in cap trouble with shield tanking and when armor tankers last longer, the DPS difference between missiles and guns will be even larger... Those slow armor reppers will get plenty time to cycle a few more times than they do now - Switch a few damage mods or Jammers to Cap related items and you'll be fine... That is something shield tankers can hardly do very well without gimping our shield boosting or number of available medslots for shield tanking and EW (talking scramblers etc).
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Takigama
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: starship enginer imo, and i have played 3 out of the 4 races quite intensively, and have done some amrr fighting [all with specilised alts in each field]
galante: best BS class, great domi, great megathron
minmatar: best HACs/ cruisers/ CS/ best solo on average
amarr: best group BS, but that is not by far, they do have it bad
caldari: very effective raven at everything. overpowered ecm
if somehow the devs forgot to backup eve data and the servers got a virus that wiped everything out, and we ahad to start again id chose to go with galante, but only because i like flying BS. if your into crusisers/cepters/frigs/bc id go with mini if you npc the most and pvp a bit caldari is your choice have not figured out why u would want amarr yet though
You know, when you think of it that way its a hard descision to make. I like all the ship classes, i like missiles (altho, i really dont do them very much) and ecm, i LOVE drones and i love speed.. which means i'd pick anything cept amarr... Amarr seem to have a couple of really nice ships (pilgrim, curse and the bc/cs's) but i really dont like much of anything else about them. Maybe its the fact that when you come up against them its always em/therm damage? (gallente have drones, minny have guns and caldari have missiles which give them every damage type).
Maybe its because i was gallente originally, but i would still prefer to be in a gallente ship for solo work than minmatar (excluding the vagabond, thats an evil ship).
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Takigama
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Takigama on 03/11/2006 15:42:23 -- double post, sorry --
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:04:00 -
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Why Does Kali hate Gallente?
Cause Gallente made love to all of the previous versions!!!
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Ms Freak
Amarr NCN Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wraithborn why why why must we be pasted like this, a gall bc or bs will have no chance at all against any of the other 3 races. to start with why are we only race that cant hit with all types of damage? em/explosive ammo would have been the thing i wanted for t2 weapons that would have made the score even but that is far to much to ask for why should we be able to use same ammo as all other races oh yea so we can always be countered by the same type of resist its too easy to stop our weapons but caldari can use all types of damage sad i have to train caldari or minitar just to stay alive in any pvp
Your joking right?
You even LOOKED at a laser since you started playing? And how many times do you see an Apoc with missile launchers? Come to think of it how often do you see an apoc do anything???
The OP has some point in that the Blasterthron won't be as effective but i hardly think thats a reason to boost Gal because the setup everyone uses will need some tweaking with rigs.
The new Amarr stuff suck major ass, the abaddon is fat, slow, has no cap and the config as the apoc, the apoc with lvl 4 skills is 20% better at almost everything (except sniping). The tier 2 BC isn't that great either.
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:19:00 -
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Gallente got balanced. Blasters are fine (from being on the receiving end, I know). T2 ammo needs to die a ******* horrible death. All Tier 3 Bships suck except the Rokh, so you don't get preferential treatment with your precious Hyperion. The Myrm is fine as is. The 50% HP buff hurts everyone, not just your blasters.
In short, call the Waaaaambulance, and get over it. Kali only hates Gallente because Gallente need some hate. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Phrixus Zephyr
Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan Congrats on a seriously stupid thread.
The new gall bc will actually be quite good if you can pull your head out your ass for a moment. with 5 mediums and the damage bonus those alone sure dps isn't that great. When you factor in 5 blasters on top of 3 nos and a really good tank. Hmm it can push 500dps easy, and tank better than most of the other bcs (probably not as well as the drake, but the drake is stupid strong atm)
It gets no dmg bonus for its guns so its 5 guns does the same DPS as a Vexor's (4 guns 5% dmg bonus for hybrids) with the same bonus to med drones. 500dps? Ha.
FYI 5 heavy drones still does less DPS than all the Tier 2 BC's by a good amount. Plus they can't be replaced after they get popped. Which they will considering more HP means enough time to kill them all.
Get a clue.
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Sir Bart
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Posted - 2006.11.05 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh I anticipate that the Mega will continue to be one of the top two fleet-combat BS in the game.
Umm, what are you smoking. You statement implies that mega is one of the best currently. What is it good at? It's easy to fit I guess, if you want to have some defence equiped.... but for alpha, tempest is best, for dps, geddon, for a good mix of alpha+dps+defence, apoc.
I think megathron is the worst long range ship in the game. Although that's fair because they one of the best close range.
-Bart
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Commander Nikolas
Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 12:03:00 -
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Do any of you even realize what changes have been made to Gallente?
A) Null was ruined... 50% tracking penalty... 50% is so overkill...
B) Drone ships relied on ECM to overcome their weak attributes...
C) CCP won't re-release the drone damage mod
D) Hyperion is retarded... it is the megathron... only it costs more
To the ammar pilots...
At least eh Abaddon has more grid to play with! I would have loved a blaster boat with grid! Now you have a Tach Apoc with lots of grid, cap rechargers and relays.
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