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P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:37:16 -
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Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!
Many players use these tools to plex accounts.
There is little incentive to do anything else.
Passive isk is killing the game.
Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.
Please put an end to passive income!
The irony-«
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15690
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:39:18 -
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Feel free to set up your own risk free moon mining operation.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8402
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:44:42 -
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P3ps1 Max wrote:Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!
Many players use these tools to plex accounts.
There is little incentive to do anything else.
Passive isk is killing the game.
Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.
Please put an end to passive income!
You forgot the worst form of passive income.
Skill training.
You can make 5 or 6 billion logging in for an hour total over six months. If you are going to rage, that's where you should be directing it.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
new order logistics CODE.
167
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Posted - 2015.04.27 21:47:04 -
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baltec1 wrote:Feel free to set up your own risk free moon mining operation.
No-no-no, you don't understand. The good man says that there are no incentives to do anything else and no reason to log in any more. The poor soul seems to be trapped inside the vicious cycle of tremendous passive income. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
607
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Posted - 2015.04.27 22:00:07 -
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Better not let my employer know I was sitting on my ass on vacation getting that passive income doing squat... |
Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
777
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Posted - 2015.04.27 22:00:59 -
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With such evidence and a well written and provocative post, all I have to say is...
HTFU
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JAG Gallente Federal Navy
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Deep Space Mining Corp *Brave Crewmen of the Brave Corporations *
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
661
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Posted - 2015.04.27 22:05:53 -
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Truly this man has opened the eyes of CCP. Everyone hire him into CCP! His arguments are flawless and perfect!
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Marsha Mallow
2087
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Posted - 2015.04.27 22:08:22 -
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I'd rather see all active forms of ISK making removed so people can spend more time gleefully clubbing each other. Primary income streams via looting players/ransoming, and a bit more competition in the 'passive' markets.
Benny Ohu wrote:
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DaReaper
Net 7
1978
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Posted - 2015.04.27 22:33:45 -
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While i disagree with pi needing to be changed on the eve side (it need to be linked more to dust/legion damn it) Moon mining should become active.
The ore should be found in comets (see what i did there?) new astroid belts, or just in places that can be mined by players.
Will get players to the feilds and cause more pew pew.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
55
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Posted - 2015.04.27 22:56:21 -
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P3ps1 Max wrote:Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!
Many players use these tools to plex accounts.
There is little incentive to do anything else.
Passive isk is killing the game.
Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.
Please put an end to passive income!
The irony-«
So you want to end one of the most beautiful aspects of EVE. I have a feeling they won't comply. |
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2015.04.27 23:01:14 -
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Can not find the dislike button. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1394
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Posted - 2015.04.27 23:27:50 -
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DaReaper wrote:The ore should be found in comets (see what i did there?) new astroid belts, or just in places that can be mined by players. Will get players to the feilds and cause more pew pew. ... with a dock up or die game? There isn't much pew pew. You dock up, grab a cloaked ship, watch the exits and do your PI in the meantime. If PI is removed, you sort out some mails, chat a bit, check what needs stocking on the local market.
Pew pew + miners is a joke. Ratters have more challenging pew pew.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1893
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:33:16 -
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baltec1 wrote:Feel free to set up your own risk free moon mining operation. i dont think OP understands moon mining requires military supriority, which means that "mad profitz" has to be split up to maintain that military superiority, after all, why would they defend it if it didnt benefit them?
and as for PI, yeah, set up PI in highsec and see how much you make, then set it up in low and see how long its "risk free" once locals start seeing T2 transports regularly in system with the same pilot by the same planet |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
79
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:43:55 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:P3ps1 Max wrote:Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!
Many players use these tools to plex accounts.
There is little incentive to do anything else.
Passive isk is killing the game.
Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.
Please put an end to passive income!
You forgot the worst form of passive income. Skill training. You can make 5 or 6 billion logging in for an hour total over six months. If you are going to rage, that's where you should be directing it. Mr Epeen
Um thats bearly above 1 plex per month... that figure in the 2 plex transfer fee? I guess. But still
5-6bill over 6months is basically breaking even dude.
Can you add? +++ |
Mario Putzo
1276
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:44:19 -
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Who uses T2 transports for PI...
Badger.
Also I think I get 250-300m/month from PI in HS, depends how the market is that month. On 2 Chars thats 75% of a plex for doing pretty much nothing.
And it is very much risk free. In all regions of space. Transport ships don't tank any better in HS than they do in NS. If someone wants you dead. You dead.
(I think my WH PI pulls in almost 1B a month if you looking for a comparison). |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
81
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:47:20 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:P3ps1 Max wrote:Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!
Many players use these tools to plex accounts.
There is little incentive to do anything else.
Passive isk is killing the game.
Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.
Please put an end to passive income!
You forgot the worst form of passive income. Skill training. You can make 5 or 6 billion logging in for an hour total over six months. If you are going to rage, that's where you should be directing it. Mr Epeen Um thats bearly above 1 plex per month... that figure in the 2 plex transfer fee? I guess. But still 5-6bill over 6months is basically breaking even dude. Can you add? +++
I am just finishing up Economics 202 macroecon class. With plex like 8-850 and 5/6bill per momth over 6months.
MINUS INFLATION MINUS OPPORTUNITY COST of gettin the isk at the end, not begining so you can invest/gain on it
That almost comes to a net loss once you make adjustments dude.
Go wiki up some econ scrub |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
81
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:49:34 -
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Oh wait,
I mined my minerals so they free..
I sold my toon for 5bill over 6months so i am 5bill richer.....
Lmao stupid dummy idiot |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
36491
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:53:10 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Also I think I get 250-300m/month from PI in HS, depends how the market is that month. On 2 Chars thats 75% of a plex for doing pretty much nothing.
(I think my WH PI pulls in almost 1B a month if you looking for a comparison). Making what and which planets are you using to get 250-300 million per month per character?
How many characters are you using to make 1 billion a month on PI in J-Space?
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Eru GoEller
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:02:57 -
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I suspect thread to be disguised as a follow up to the End hi-sec incursions. |
Otso Bakarti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:05:07 -
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So, why didn't I get the memo? "Blitz the forum with 'no risk no ISK' demands! Is this going to happen all week, or can we look forward to something slightly resembling literate? Intelligent may be a reach these days.
I survived Win95
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8411
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Posted - 2015.04.28 05:06:28 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Oh wait,
I mined my minerals so they free..
I sold my toon for 5bill over 6months so i am 5bill richer.....
Lmao stupid dummy idiot
It costs 5 PLEX for six months and that includes the transfer.
Learn to make a proper character and you get up to 12 PLEX at the sale. That's 7 PLEX or 5.6b profit for an hours work.
Show me anything else in the game where you make 5b an hour.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:31:51 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Oh wait,
I mined my minerals so they free..
I sold my toon for 5bill over 6months so i am 5bill richer.....
Lmao stupid dummy idiot
Ouch, that personal attack I think is against forum rules. Calling out another player a "stupid dummy idiot" wasn't nice. Please, lets keep this civil. That bullet wound will hurt for days.
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Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
121
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:20:52 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:You forgot the worst form of passive income.
Skill training.
You can make 5 or 6 billion logging in for an hour total over six months. If you are going to rage, that's where you should be directing it.
I think Miss Moss failed the grade 2 english class before starting an Economics 202 macroecon class. The term "make 5 or 6 billion" clearly has to be interpreted to mean profit not turnover. If the latter would be the case, her remarks would be correct, albeit less than courteous. |
Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
50
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Posted - 2015.04.29 20:06:48 -
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???
Why would you post such a foolish idea P3ps1 Max just to have one of your alts ridicule it?
(Man, just nut up already)
Fíorghrá: Grá na fírinne
Déan gáire...Tiocfaidh ár lá
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Myrradah
Apotheosis of Caledvwich Dirt Nap Squad.
15
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Posted - 2015.04.29 22:55:04 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:P3ps1 Max wrote:Enough is enough! There is currently little to no risk involved for the vast majority of isk making in EVE! From Moon mining to planetary interaction and even research there is hardly ANY risk involved. Please remove all passive isk from the game!
Many players use these tools to plex accounts.
There is little incentive to do anything else.
Passive isk is killing the game.
Hell, there's no real reason to log in anymore.
Please put an end to passive income!
You forgot the worst form of passive income. Skill training. You can make 5 or 6 billion logging in for an hour total over six months. If you are going to rage, that's where you should be directing it. Mr Epeen
As others have stated, you have to be smart about this. You CANNOT sell a toon at cost which is what Eve appraiser is. it gives you a cost number for the most part.
The tricky part is projecting where you think the demand for a specific skilled character will be in 6 months. then if you are wrong, you taker a hit.
Ive sold about 7 toons, made a minimum of 10% and a max of 60% profit. From a rorq pilot to a specific HAC Minny combt pilot etc.
Its not a no risk gambit. Lots of risk there. |
Miriana 'Trauma' Dallocort
The Scope Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.04.29 23:39:21 -
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There should be no isk making. Missions give just reward points that you can turn in for ships. When you get blown up, the enemy fleet or solo player gets a percentage of your ship value based on current avg new eden prices highsec regions. Make bounties actually mean something. When a certain faction doesnt like you, they put a bounty on you in the form of a ship or fleet of ships reward. Eliminate wealth entirely. Just have ships as currency lol. |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction The Good Christian Society
194
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Posted - 2015.04.29 23:44:45 -
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Miriana 'Trauma' Dallocort wrote:There should be no isk making. Missions give just reward points that you can turn in for ships. When you get blown up, the enemy fleet or solo player gets a percentage of your ship value based on current avg new eden prices highsec regions. Make bounties actually mean something. When a certain faction doesnt like you, they put a bounty on you in the form of a ship or fleet of ships reward. Eliminate wealth entirely. Just have ships as currency lol.
In these games, in the absence of a viable in-game currency the players will just create one. Any item that is small enough to lug around in quantity and kind-of-but-not-really rare will work. SOJs in the Diablo 2 being the most of-cited example.
KB Link
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Reiisha
Repracor Industries
741
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Posted - 2015.04.30 00:08:15 -
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baltec1 wrote:Feel free to set up your own risk free moon mining operation.
While the OP may be going a bit far, the jist of the issue is that there are a lot of activities in EVE that don't require you to log in for long stretches of time, relatively to what you're getting out of it. PI and moon mining are the most prominent examples.
It's not about defending the latter either, but about how little interactivity such a system actually needs to work, and still be profitable. I would argue that the amount of passive activities in EVE is a direct cause of the stagnation of the amount of people online (of of, you know what i mean), and that has to be looked at.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Dots
State Protectorate Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2015.04.30 00:11:48 -
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Reiisha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Feel free to set up your own risk free moon mining operation. While the OP may be going a bit far, the jist of the issue is that there are a lot of activities in EVE that don't require you to log in for long stretches of time, relatively to what you're getting out of it. PI and moon mining are the most prominent examples. It's not about defending the latter either, but about how little interactivity such a system actually needs to work, and still be profitable. I would argue that the amount of passive activities in EVE is a direct cause of the stagnation of the amount of people online (of of, you know what i mean), and that has to be looked at.
They both have interaction.
Moon mining is about securing space.. and as baltec1 has said, good luck establishing your own. PI requires collection and hauling.. which has about as much "interaction" as mining.
I don't believe OP has a point. Let's ban people with PLEX Buddy links in their sigs or on Reddit sidebars because they are getting passive income too!
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2015.04.30 00:13:51 -
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Best troll thread to date.
Cause logistics are free.
Cause structures are free.
Cause wardecs cant blow your crap up.
Etc.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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