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Annemarie Menis
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.28 01:28:13 -
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Hi,
I'm looking to get into a Paladin on my main for missions soon. With some imperial navy mods, heatsinks, faction equipment, and possibly a deadspace armor repairer, its going to be pretty blingy. At least, that's the plan.
This will be the juiciest gank target I've flown so far, so I'm not sure how to handle it. Is there a sure-fire way to keep away from gankers? I usually fly at a low-pop mission hub (no Dodixie for me) and minimize my time in transit.
I suppose I'm just looking for some good tips on avoiding and preventing ganks on my very expensive ship. |
ACESsiggy
Anti.Social.Corp
41
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Posted - 2015.04.28 01:49:31 -
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Annemarie Menis wrote:Hi,
I'm looking to get into a Paladin on my main for missions soon. With some imperial navy mods, heatsinks, faction equipment, and possibly a deadspace armor repairer, its going to be pretty blingy. At least, that's the plan.
This will be the juiciest gank target I've flown so far, so I'm not sure how to handle it. Is there a sure-fire way to keep away from gankers? I usually fly at a low-pop mission hub (no Dodixie for me) and minimize my time in transit.
I suppose I'm just looking for some good tips on avoiding and preventing ganks on my very expensive ship.
Well, don't shoot Concord would be my advise even in bastion mode.
GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
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Dato Koppla
Konvict Cartel The Asylum.
799
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:27:20 -
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Fit a smartbomb to deal with close range tackle frigs so that you won't be pointed when out of bastion mode. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
230
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:38:00 -
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With a paladin I cannot imagine why you would ever need a deadspace repper. It does not improve mission completion time and is not needed for any mission, so do not bother. |
Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4373
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Posted - 2015.04.28 03:44:42 -
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Annemarie Menis wrote:I suppose I'm just looking for some good tips on avoiding and preventing ganks on my very expensive ship. Create a safe dock and undock from your main hubs. Remember that immediately on undock you have 30 second of invulnerability, provided you don't activate any modules or move (stopping is permitted). Marauders are extremely forgiving in terms of what you can get away with for modules, so if you're only getting the slightest marginal difference between a Meta or T2 and a Faction, stick with the Meta or T2. Due to stacking penalties a 4th damage module only adds ~4.5%, so you're losing maybe 0.5% by dropping the 4th Faction damage module to a T2. Deadspace modules are great, but check the "C" types. Often you can get those for a Fraction of the cost of the "A" versions and they typically perform way ahead of Faction.
Before plunking any ISK down, total up the projected cost of your dream ship and figure out the EHP (include Bastion but nothing else, as you seldom have time to activate all your active modules). You will definitely want a damage control. Divide your EHP by 10,000 and multiply that by $70-million ISK (roughly the cost of a gank Tornado). If the total of your fit is less than that, that's usually a good indication (although not any guarantee) that the risk vs. reward ratio is not high enough. Hope this helps.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1061
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Posted - 2015.04.28 04:12:10 -
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avoid the pretty blingy part, and fit a damage control. Only bling what is needed. Paladin really doesn't need to much bling to work very well. Staying in smaller mission hubs is a good idea too.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
429
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Posted - 2015.04.28 08:22:24 -
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neuts and smartbombs in your utilities and a micro jump drive, or better, train a scout...
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Dato Koppla
Konvict Cartel The Asylum.
800
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Posted - 2015.04.28 11:36:36 -
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Okay I feel bad, the smartbomb bit was a troll. NEVER fit a smartbomb in your utility highslot for a highsec missioning ship of any kind. Even though you can light it in relative safety in mission pockets, if someone scans you down and sees the smartbomb effect go off, they will bring an alt in a cheap ship and suicide it into your smartbomb causing you to get Concordokken'd. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
434
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Posted - 2015.04.28 11:43:42 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Okay I feel bad, the smartbomb bit was a troll. NEVER fit a smartbomb in your utility highslot for a highsec missioning ship of any kind. Even though you can light it in relative safety in mission pockets, if someone scans you down and sees the smartbomb effect go off, they will bring an alt in a cheap ship and suicide it into your smartbomb causing you to get Concordokken'd.
Lol didnt think about that lol living in null too long ;)
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:47:50 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:With a paladin I cannot imagine why you would ever need a deadspace repper. It does not improve mission completion time and is not needed for any mission, so do not bother. it allows you to pulse it once in a while instead of perma-running. Plus saves your capacitor (i've heard laz0rs love to eat it)
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
130
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:59:05 -
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Here is the bling you need on a Paladin: Imerial Navy Heat Sink x3
Here is the optional bling to bring: Faction web
Total pimping: ~300m
No reason to go heavier. I often run mine just T2 fit and it owns missions just fine |
Rena Monachica
Capital Hot Rods
31
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:15:24 -
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Check killboards and starmap before undocking - the home system and the surrounding systems. Let-¦s say you see a dozen dead Marauders in Apanake ... keep your Paladin in the garage |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
596
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:29:49 -
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Don't make posts that you are going to fly a blingy marauder. |
Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4397
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Posted - 2015.04.29 23:52:27 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Don't make posts that you are going to fly a blingy marauder. Or fly something other than a blingy Marauder.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1082
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Posted - 2015.04.30 02:46:47 -
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Fit a deadspace medium repper. the c-types are pretty cheap and won't make you gank bait. With the added bonus of if you DC in bastion your ship won't die to 12 npc DPS like it would if you don't have a permarun setup. I've dced and come back 5 mins later to my ship still sitting in the mission pocket tanking happily with the medium rep setup. I used to run a large rep till I dc'ed and came back in structure.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
307
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Posted - 2015.04.30 18:09:43 -
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Your fit should not exceed half of what you paid for your ship. In fact, the only pricey bits should be your faction damage mods and maybe the repper/booster.
Always fit the bastion module and a micro jump drive.
Don't **** people off by trash talking or bragging or whatever in loca orl on the forums. Just be cool.
Don't farm missions 24/7, do some other things too.
Keep aligned as much as possible, watch local, watch d-scan for combat probes. You should be doing this always anyway.
Bring ecm drones, male exotic dancers and pray to jebus.
Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity.
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Miali Askulf
Black Rise Freight
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Posted - 2015.05.01 01:26:37 -
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A paladin with nothing but a bastion module and a single T2 large repper is probably already overtanked for any level 4, why would you ever bling the tank? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1083
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Posted - 2015.05.01 01:40:32 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:Your fit should not exceed half of what you paid for your ship. In fact, the only pricey bits should be your faction damage mods and maybe the repper/booster.
Always fit the bastion module and a micro jump drive.
Don't **** people off by trash talking or bragging or whatever in loca orl on the forums. Just be cool.
Don't farm missions 24/7, do some other things too.
Keep aligned as much as possible, watch local, watch d-scan for combat probes. You should be doing this always anyway.
Bring ecm drones, male exotic dancers and pray to jebus.
Half of ship price is a metric that doesn't make any sense to me. I suggest fitting as a function of EHP as that is more correlated to gankability. Also consider what mods drop, Spending a bit extra on rigs won't make people want to gank you. Plus most pirate BS prices are way down from historical values so imo it doesn't make sense to only spend 250mil on a mach fitting (although I suppose that is about how much is on mine so maybe not the best point, but I do suppose faction gyros are cheap compared to other faction damage mods). And say fitting ~500m on a golem would make me afraid I was in the gank bait range, I wish they had a 5th low for a damage control.
bastion is an amazing tool, love it! the MJD is also a good idea. very easy to see gankers coming when you are 100km off the warp in point. Personally I don't always do this and try to rely on not being in one place for long enough gankers can easily get to me.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
230
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:01:38 -
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March rabbit wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote:With a paladin I cannot imagine why you would ever need a deadspace repper. It does not improve mission completion time and is not needed for any mission, so do not bother. it allows you to pulse it once in a while instead of perma-running. Plus saves your capacitor (i've heard laz0rs love to eat it) You shouldn't be perma running your repper anyway unless you're scared of getting disconnected. In which case the issue doesn't pertain regardless.
And 800s are cheap while deadspace reppers are not. |
Rena Monachica
Capital Hot Rods
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Posted - 2015.05.02 02:56:52 -
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A Centum C-Type Medium Rep is currently at 50 million ISK ... that should be pocket money for marauder pilots |
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Dante Burke
Practical Applications
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Posted - 2015.05.02 11:35:15 -
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Anything one flies, by EVE's nature, is gank bait. If you're in high-sec, then there's a few things I'd keep in mind if you're banging out L4's.
Keep that safety set to Green. This will keep you from accidentally shooting some poor sod, and thus making CONCORD cranky.
If there's a ninja looter, or someone blaps your MTU, don't attack. Let them have that global flag. 9 (or more) times out of 10, people running missions who get ganked, seem to do so because they engaged someone who had some form of global/criminal status. There's a reason they're in a crappy frig and stealing your loot. Trade that 1M ISK ship for the however many hundreds of millions of yours (due to kill rights).
As long as you're in high-sec, and you don't engage anyone/get yourself flagged, then the only real way to get ganked (barring any kind of war dec/FW), is via suicide Tornado's (or whatever the flavor happens to be). Keeping to less populated areas will greatly mitigate this.
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Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.02 13:53:05 -
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If someone pops into your mission and starts ninja looting or tries to get you to "test their tank" then align to a safe warp point, pull the room and gtfo fast. Always fun to see how quickly they too react. |
I'm RickJames
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.04 19:49:03 -
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What about fitting any kind of auto targeter? I am under the impression that even if you are passive targeted and scanned, the auto targeter will lock back, so if you see some frig targeted, it means you are being watched. I can't imagine a group of battlecruisers randomly picking a ship to gank, unlesss its for lulz. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1089
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Posted - 2015.05.04 23:44:06 -
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I'm RickJames wrote:What about fitting any kind of auto targeter? I am under the impression that even if you are passive targeted and scanned, the auto targeter will lock back, so if you see some frig targeted, it means you are being watched. I can't imagine a group of battlecruisers randomly picking a ship to gank, unlesss its for lulz.
I just tried it out, doesn't seem to do anything, although I didn't try to scan
@ChainsawPlankto
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Devasha Detrasha
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.05 13:38:04 -
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I'm also about to start flying a Paladin soon :) But anyways you shouldn't have any trouble from gankers if you mission in high sec. If you're thinking about doing missions in low sec......DON'T DO IT IN A PALY. Instead use a Navy Apol fitted with T2 mods, bring a scanner/salvaging, falcon, logi alt etc etc............ |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
508
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Posted - 2015.05.05 13:46:05 -
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pvp fit it for bait and murder fleets
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
606
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Posted - 2015.05.05 13:49:41 -
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Devasha Detrasha wrote:I'm also about to start flying a Paladin soon :) But anyways you shouldn't have any trouble from gankers if you mission in high sec. If you're thinking about doing missions in low sec......DON'T DO IT IN A PALY. Instead use a Navy Apol fitted with T2 mods, bring a scanner/salvaging, falcon, logi alt etc etc............
^^^ Bad advice. I'm pretty sure the missioners running SoE mission in Apanake, Osmon, and Langissi will tell you different.
Rule of Thumb: If you have a expensive fit and the odds favor a good loot drop, they will try and gank you. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1094
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Posted - 2015.05.05 13:53:43 -
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Devasha Detrasha wrote:I'm also about to start flying a Paladin soon :) But anyways you shouldn't have any trouble from gankers if you mission in high sec. If you're thinking about doing missions in low sec......DON'T DO IT IN A PALY. Instead use a Navy Apol fitted with T2 mods, bring a scanner/salvaging, falcon, logi alt etc etc............
as someone who flys a paladin all the time and has also ganked paladins in high sec lulz
and now I'm tempted to pvp fit a paladin and go to lowsec...
@ChainsawPlankto
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Devasha Detrasha
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.05 22:13:24 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Devasha Detrasha wrote:I'm also about to start flying a Paladin soon :) But anyways you shouldn't have any trouble from gankers if you mission in high sec. If you're thinking about doing missions in low sec......DON'T DO IT IN A PALY. Instead use a Navy Apol fitted with T2 mods, bring a scanner/salvaging, falcon, logi alt etc etc............ ^^^ Bad advice. I'm pretty sure the missioners running SoE mission in Apanake, Osmon, and Langissi will tell you different. Rule of Thumb: If you have a expensive fit and the odds favor a good loot drop, they will try and gank you.
I forgot to mention to travel fit the Paly with triple 1600 steel plates, dc II, and 3 eanm II's. Sure it may take you a hour or two to get to your destination, but at least you'll be safe.
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Devasha Detrasha
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.05 22:22:01 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Devasha Detrasha wrote:I'm also about to start flying a Paladin soon :) But anyways you shouldn't have any trouble from gankers if you mission in high sec. If you're thinking about doing missions in low sec......DON'T DO IT IN A PALY. Instead use a Navy Apol fitted with T2 mods, bring a scanner/salvaging, falcon, logi alt etc etc............ as someone who flys a paladin all the time and has also ganked paladins in high sec lulz and now I'm tempted to pvp fit a paladin and go to lowsec...
Ganking a Paly can't be done easily in high sec (unless the pilot was afk). Could you please tell me how you manage this? I'm curious
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