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Talyor Odunen
taxi Corporation
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Posted - 2015.05.02 00:34:29 -
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Anise Tig'res, eve players have wanted ship skins for almost 10 years now. also i do agree the skins are priced interesting like the one of the arcon skins i want to get , were I have to buy 5$ of AUR on top of the 20$ i also just got, all this makes me feel like i am playing some ***** app from play google were they give me 10 gems i can use on anything unless i but more from them. |
Acitoxe Mrots
Galaxy Guardian Angels
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Posted - 2015.05.02 00:52:27 -
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Paying 2bil for a red and black Astero skin :D |
Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
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Posted - 2015.05.02 01:26:29 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Joe Atei wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Moac Tor wrote:
In principle though I am against the idea of these not being destructible, I hope CCP will re-evaluate this in the future as in their current implementation they offer no gameplay value and are simply for CCP to generate extra revenue.
Make them like implants, you have to pop the pod to destroy the active skin license. While I disagree with you and believe that they should be tied to the ship they were applied to, that would make some pod kills all the more juicier I only disagree with that idea because people in high sec would rarely lose their skin license. The entire point of this is revenue so treating it like such makes sense. Though that aside, going to the core argument here, how does having hangar queens create gameplay value in ways that having exclusive skins does not?
I believe some people would be flying around with them in high sec. They already do with their multi-billion dollar ships that have modules worth more than the hull itself. Another few billion wouldn't deter these kind of players. With the way they are now, with time, everyone will essentially have all of the skins. They're not destroyable, so the in game skin market will suffer over time more than it needs to.
Plus, indestructible things fly in the face of every other good in the game as they can be destroyed unless docked up in a npc station. But as other posters in other threads have said before me, the game is changing. it is what it is. I just don't agree with it, but obviously not enough to stop supporting CCP |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1434
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Posted - 2015.05.02 02:22:26 -
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Joe Atei wrote:I believe some people would be flying around with them in high sec. They already do with their multi-billion dollar ships that have modules worth more than the hull itself. Another few billion wouldn't deter these kind of players. With the way they are now, with time, everyone will essentially have all of the skins. They're not destroyable, so the in game skin market will suffer over time more than it needs to.
Plus, indestructible things fly in the face of every other good in the game as they can be destroyed unless docked up in a npc station. But as other posters in other threads have said before me, the game is changing. it is what it is. I just don't agree with it, but obviously not enough to stop supporting CCP That argument isn't necessarily relevant to the fact that the skins become prohibitive to use compared to their unskinned counterparts, thus relegating them to hangar queens for any application that might see regular loss. That makes a poor system that incurs the same issue with people having all the skins, they only use them where they won't lose them and things still saturate. The reduced usage also likely translates to reduced demand, making that saturation point come sooner.
Also clothing functions much the same way regarding destructibility. When applied it becomes indestructible, which, due to being able to be removed and sold makes them theoretically worse. Cosmetic NES items as a whole played by different rules in both being obtained and used prior to skins. I just don't see how this is different in a bad way from what we already have. |
Shinzhi Xadi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.02 08:14:46 -
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So, has anybody bothered to calculate how many plex you would have to buy to get all the skins for a single faction?
Say Amarr?
Is it 3000 aur per plex?
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Cyrus Doul
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2015.05.02 18:55:23 -
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1) You can buy them with isk if you dont mind paying the markup that someone broke out the CC to get the aurum wants to add
2) people are complaining about 30 dollar skins, those only exist on the supercapitals. My Hel + Fit = 30B, at normal plex rates this is 690 Dollars. an extra 30 on top isn't going to break the bank. This is even more true for titan pilots
3) All skins for the same class should cost the same. My black Hel skin will cost me 35 dollars, where the black aeon skin cost 20 dollars.
4) I do think that because of point 2 there probably should be a hard cap of like 1950 AUR on BC and smaller, that puts you at 10 dollars, BS maybe 15. If we want to do pirate skins probably more due to that they cost piles more in game then a standard, or even t2 variants of most things.
5) Note this argument is coming from someone with a Looking Glass, take my ability to spend both ingame, and real money on this game how you will. Full disclosure, the looking glass was bought four months ago for 6.5 billion isk while drunk. with isk I got from plex, about 150 dollars. Being single with no dependents and a roommate is awesome
6) Also, Golden pod. This one was ratting money though. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8453
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Posted - 2015.05.02 19:01:16 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:So, has anybody bothered to calculate how many plex you would have to buy to get all the skins for a single faction? Tell you what. You figure out how many PLEX (and years) it will take to train for all the ships that you can skin in a single race and then I can laugh at what a stupid statement you just made.
Mr Epeen
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Cyrus Doul
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2015.05.02 19:19:31 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Shinzhi Xadi wrote:So, has anybody bothered to calculate how many plex you would have to buy to get all the skins for a single faction? Tell you what. You figure out how many PLEX (and years) it will take to train for all the ships that you can skin in a single race and then I can laugh at what a stupid statement you just made. Mr Epeen
My character date is jan 27 2008 and im just now inserting gallente titan and minmatar titan. Granted this character can fly them competently sp wise (I have no idea what im doing in non caps other then a purifier) So I am going to go with 87 Plex
To get all current skins takes 332125 AUR, Biggest package you can get is 21200 aur for 100 dollars. you need to do that 15.66 times. so 1500 dollars in that bundle, one 50 dollar package for 10600 points and 1 20 dollar package to give you 4035 points
so get all skins = 1570 dollars have a character that can fly all ships well = 1735 dollars |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
23063
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:18:16 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Solecist Project wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Solecist Project wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Permanent SKINS are a bit on the expensive side. I mean, 3750 AUR for a SKIN translates to like... a PLEX and change? That's 15 bucks for a cosmetic item. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind these prices honestly. Why so hidiously expensive instead of just making them a couple of bucks each?
Ah, because if they were just a couple of bucks a permanent skin would suddenly only become worth like 50m ISK and everyone and their dogs would buy them and they'd lose their vanity. Problems problems... This entire 'micro'transaction system apparently doesn't take the complex economy of the game into account. Especially since AUR and ISK are still linked in value. 15 bucks for something you can't ever lose. Yeah that's soooooo expensive!!! Compared to other games that have micro transactions for permanent stuff that actually matters, like weapons, yes, it's f*cking expensive. You know what your childish rage tells me? It tells me that the prices make you feel inadequate, because you can't afford stuff. GTFO you troll Being able to afford something or not doesn't make something less expensive... A weapon or hat or whatever in TF2 costs 2 to 5 bucks. Boosters and stuff in Planetside 2 also, just a few bucks. A cosmetic item in EVE costs 15 bucks. It makes no sense. Calling me a troll is a good way of ignoring the truth. You basically confirmed it with that reaction.
And you compare apples to bananas.
If you can't afford it then you don't deserve it. It's not that hard to grasp, is it?
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Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
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Posted - 2015.05.02 21:59:41 -
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CCP just make too mush error with the SKIN.
I don't ask for personal customisation, that imposible today. I don't cry because i have to pay the SKIN, they work for it, i can understand they want be payed and/or need money for future.
But, Premium Money Suck ... 10Gé¼ = 1950 Aurum, and if i want something like a Maller Kador (or something else at same price) i need 5 More Aurum, just "5" , that mean around 0.027 Gé¼.
Even if every active Player on EvE buy this skin, around 40.000 people they will have 1080Gé¼, for me, alone, 1080Gé¼ can be interesting, for CCP ? i think that can be what one of them have each month for working (more than this i hope)
What i mean is, that obvius those 5 more Aurum on the price are there to make us buy more Aurum, more fuckin usless premium Money.
Let us pay with Real money, like on DotA, because each lost Aurum who wait alone are like lost money for player, that just a coward way to make us pay more than we want, whay ? CCP need money tu survive, but did they need those 1080Gé¼or they will die without them ? i don't think so.
And one more thing, i am ok to pay those price, but not for one ship, because even if the work isn't the same for Avatar Kador and Punisher Kador, i see no real reason to pay 50Gé¼for this Skin on an Avatar and around 10 for the frigate, no sens at all.
Stop thining EvE player are Money Milk's Cow !!
I am ok to pay, but not with Premium Money, and not if you think i am dumb enought to run in your Trap. Take people for Dumbass is the best way to lost player and money, i don't ask Skin for free, just with respect ine the method and the price. |
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.05.02 22:45:26 -
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Cyrus Doul wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Shinzhi Xadi wrote:So, has anybody bothered to calculate how many plex you would have to buy to get all the skins for a single faction? Tell you what. You figure out how many PLEX (and years) it will take to train for all the ships that you can skin in a single race and then I can laugh at what a stupid statement you just made. Mr Epeen My character date is jan 27 2008 and im just now inserting gallente titan and minmatar titan. Granted this character can fly them competently sp wise (I have no idea what im doing in non caps other then a purifier) So I am going to go with 87 Plex To get all current skins takes 332125 AUR, Biggest package you can get is 21200 aur for 100 dollars. you need to do that 15.66 times. so 1500 dollars in that bundle, one 50 dollar package for 10600 points and 1 20 dollar package to give you 4035 points so get all skins = 1570 dollars have a character that can fly all ships well = 1735 dollars
Only current skins. Not really great choice when you are limited to single ship models and you don't even have tech 2 or pirate ships included. Except one police issue frigate that is going to be flewn fairly often.
There is more coming?
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Casey Ambraelle
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.05.03 03:34:26 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:CCP gave 5500 aurum to every active account.
Am I the only one that saved some?
I keep seeing this mentioned when did CCP award this? I've been sub'd for the last 7 months have never used Aurum and have a 0 balance when I look in the store. |
Anise Tig'res
Duchy Ministry of Slave Affairs
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Posted - 2015.05.03 04:38:45 -
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For anyone curious, the full price for the collection of EVE SKINS is $1023 Brittish Pounds $1550.00 USD or $1974.00 AUD.
The amount of PLEX required to purchase these items for AUR, is 94.89 at 1 PLEX for 3500 AUR.
The total AUR cost, is 332115. |
Kamala
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.03 09:21:17 -
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Am I the only one who doesn't care about ship skins and will probably never buy one? |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.03 09:26:05 -
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Kamala wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't care about ship skins and will probably never buy one?
Nope, same here. |
Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 04:43:47 -
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What the problem ?
CCP give us some tools to play Space Ship Barbie and some player enjoy this. |
corebloodbrothers
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.05.04 08:51:23 -
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I dont care much for them, as eve drives me in other ways, yet i do see the beauty of it , and know alot of players are atracted or invest in that. Price tagging vanity is hard. To cheap and all has it, and it looses appeal. To high not enough s+íles, but exclusiveness drives people ofc also.
The current big shows options and opend a can of worms. Ccp is both fixing the bug and looking into the future of skins, unwanted thr players showed ccp what can be done with it, and that rabbit is now out o f the hat, eve if they close the use.
For me personally i hope ccp takes this as a chance, and uses the options to achieve both, accomodate players, and make a money model that allows them income wihtout touching the core of eve and not introducing golden bullets,
Just dreaming as a person, ultimate customer dream, not csm or ccp pov:
1. Hand all back price of skin in aurum for all skins right now 2. Turn 30 days skins into a lower price range permanent skins, 50-100 mill isk, and also reimburst those in aurom and add them too the store. 3. Re introduce skins but per hull type, so a skin for a tempest can be used on all bs. Same pricing 4. Future releases then can work liek this and add exclusive stuff in 2 addition ways,1. Is exclisve limited for 1 shiptype, liek aquafe domi,2. Exlcusive in amounts released, limited editions. You can mix 1 and 2, which ultimately brings you tourney skins, limited and for 1 ship.
That would be my personal dream as a marketing peep, show balls, think outside the box, dard, and in long run make cuatomers haply and make good money |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.04 13:38:09 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:It's a vanity item that can put money in ccp's pocket but has no impact on the actual ship. Why would I care about the cost as if I don't get one it makes no difference to me at all. Because it shows a lack of respect for the players to try to charge $30 for a single skin for a single ship. RIOT games does not respect its players. I expected CCP to learn its lesson and not go that path. |
lost packet
GamCorp Almost Broken
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Posted - 2015.05.04 18:58:03 -
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Anise Tig'res wrote:For anyone curious, the full price for the collection of EVE SKINS is $1023 Brittish Pounds $1550.00 USD or $1974.00 AUD.
The amount of PLEX required to purchase these items for AUR, is 94.89 at 1 PLEX for 3500 AUR.
The total AUR cost, is 332115.
$1023 British pounds. ^
Pretty much turned them off straight away. |
Asinar
The Hotdog
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Posted - 2015.05.15 02:41:43 -
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A ship skin costs more than a months subscription...see anything wrong there? I've paid subscription maybe 3 times during my 6 years of Eve. Eve is really not worth paying for.
If a skin would cost 2 euros, I would consider it but then again, no skins exist for the ships I fly. I don't like grinding ISK either so...
Thx a lot but I PASS!
Sounds like Train simulator DLCs but even less content.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.15 03:57:52 -
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Asinar wrote:A ship skin costs more than a months subscription...see anything wrong there? I've paid subscription maybe 3 times during my 6 years of Eve. Eve is really not worth paying for. So, the actual game isn't worth paying for, yet you are complaining that you want to buy imaginary space pixels to outfit your ship within that game....
Why exactly should CCP pay any thought to your concerns when you don't think the game is worth paying for. Amazing. |
Oraac Ensor
627
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Posted - 2015.05.15 07:53:28 -
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Anise Tig'res wrote:$1023 Brittish Pounds -ú1023 GBP
I'm feeling a bit picky today - only had 4-+ hours sleep. |
Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1276
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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:28:05 -
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They are the price they are because they are either permanent or month long licenses. So CCP has to have high prices or they would not pay for the development time.
The previous version where every "skinned" ship type was an individual item in the database not viable because of database bloating and technical overhead required every time they wanted to make changes to ship stats.
I once bought some aurum token from someone in Period Basis. Pimped out my alt a bit. She looks a bit more fashionable these days. But I doubt I'll be paying $20 for a ship skin. I like my pants sub $1000, thx.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11011
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Posted - 2015.05.15 16:11:01 -
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Roberta Gastoni wrote:Yeah but there are substantial difference in the system and the path that lead to it.
1) They had to reprogram almost entirely the ship rendering system and how it works in space 2) People can actually see your skin space 3) The default ship skins are fine and beautyfull anyway 4) Clothes came at the cost of real content, something that's not happening at this time 5) People actually asked for ship skins
quoting this so it doesn't get lost in the BS lol
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Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
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Posted - 2015.05.15 19:14:46 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Asinar wrote:A ship skin costs more than a months subscription...see anything wrong there? I've paid subscription maybe 3 times during my 6 years of Eve. Eve is really not worth paying for. So, the actual game isn't worth paying for, yet you are complaining that you want to buy imaginary space pixels to outfit your ship within that game.... Why exactly should CCP pay any thought to your concerns when you don't think the game is worth paying for. Amazing. probably because he's part of the reason why people buy plexes (which is a safe assumption based on his comment). Also, human capital is usually already paid by the time this happens. lowering prices usually bring in more money because of an increase in trade.
but i suspect CCP's decision on this matter is a calculated decision because of people like me who use isk to get his aur which in turn guides the market to purchase more plex because more demand for plex in the virtual world will increase its value in isk thus providing more incentive for people with disposable income to purchase more plex.
Regardless, money is real power. Unlike the rigged democracy system over here in the US. Don't like something a company you have been supporting, then vote with your wallet. Don't buy plex, don't pay for the sub, etc. Cancel your account and provide the reason why. Enough people do it, CCP will change. If you do but they don't change and don't go out of business, you were a minority in that situation and the majority didn't share that view with you. Other reasons need not apply because that's basic common sense and at the end of the day it isn't that big of a deal if no action is being taken on the consumer's end.
I also suspect eve is in a similar boat to the alcohol industry, a large portion of their income coming from addicts. this includes people who purchase a lot of plex via isk. I know I'm one of them. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21369
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Posted - 2015.05.15 20:08:54 -
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Casey Ambraelle wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CCP gave 5500 aurum to every active account.
Am I the only one that saved some? I keep seeing this mentioned when did CCP award this? I've been sub'd for the last 7 months have never used Aurum and have a 0 balance when I look in the store.
Years ago around when the NEX was first implemented. I cant remember if it was to partially soothe the chapped buttocks left from the Summer of Rage or not.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Robur Maximus
The Echelon Phoenix That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.05.15 20:53:08 -
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Yes...If someone really wants to use his RL money for that kind of stuff, I encourage that. It pays for the development of the game I love. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
932
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Posted - 2015.05.15 21:48:03 -
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Robur Maximus wrote:Yes...If someone really wants to use his RL money for that kind of stuff, I encourage that. It pays for the development of the game I love.
Exactly how I see it as well. I donate to several open source projects because I like them and respect the time and effort invested in them. CCP now does a great job of keeping the game alive, fresh, dynamic and bug free which is why I pay a subscription. But they also often go a step further and provide great additions to the EVE Universe which they simply do not have to do... like organizing alliance tournaments, charity drives, putting an extra effort to provide us with Scope news reports, API tools...
So yeah, if another not-competitor but the most "popular" and known MMO can charge a subscription AND require you to pay full game price again each time they publish an expansion, in my opinion, CCP has full right to charge for vanity items.
And the prices are decent as well this time, compared to paying $60 to have your character's eye poked out and for slapping a piece of metal... something... instead.
As for the Summer of Rage, it was mainly about pay-to-win model that somehow crawled in as a thought. You can clearly see that it was not about $60 monocles, but about "golden ammo" and a focus on a cash shop in a time when the game needed a lot of fixing and development. You can read it here : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1536065
The game is in much better state now and, more importantly, the development of the game is in much better state now. There is no "golden ammo" philosophy in sight and the vanity items now actually complement the game while not costing too much. In my opinion, difference between the Summer of Rage and now is so significant that these two periods of EVE's life can't even be compared. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2998
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Posted - 2015.05.16 00:28:18 -
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I pay my subs with money.
It's so damn cheap for what I get ... ... I'd feel ashamed not to.
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