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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 05/11/2006 17:00:43
Fellow pirates (if you are not one then plz go away)
First please excuse the rambling style of post, im a pirate not a scholar.
As most are aware the current built of Kali on test server has 'warp to 0km' in place on gates and stations. This as far as I can see is the first stage in the removal of nonconsensual PVP from eve.
Currently PVP takes place at the following locations, most likely in this order. (please feel free to comment on the order here, but from my limited experience this is the case)
----common areas----
1. On gate approach
2. On gate exit
3. On docking approach
4. In belts
----not common place----
5. On undocking
6. At POS / Outposts
7. At Safespots
Now number 5 to 7 I would say are rare so those can be discounted. The proposed change in Kali means the 1st and 3rd most used areas for small scale non-consentual PVP are removed from the game. Eves possible PVP areas are in effect very limited and the change, though sounding trivial rips the PVP heart right out of eve and everything the PVP side of the game has ever meant.
Though many will adapt to the changes, I can't help that feel this is a nerf to far. The sickening thing is that CCP did not plan for people to 'insta' travel, that was a effect bought on by bookmarks through accidental use of game mechs. Now to relieve server load CCP are going to change the very core of the gameplay.
I've seen people argue in general discussion about this and say those who live for PVP need to adapt by using belts and scan probes for safes, but the targets in these areas are few and far between. Others argue that everyone uses instas anyway, again, I beg to differ.. and as I sit on gates for hours / years on end watching traffic I'm a better judge of this than your average eve pilot.
Non-consentual PVP with chance of losing what you worked for is what sets eve above all the rest and makes traveling around actually fun and challenging. Without it I'd prefer to go play WOW tbh.
Discuss.
/signed one VERY unhappy tiller.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Pestillence
Originally by: Altai Saker
I disagree, I think those things were removed long ago, I haven't fought an actual target (read non noob) in over a year that didn't have a full set of insta's for their region including stations (as I'm guessing you do). All this does is level the playing field for newer members of the game and reduce lag.
That being said I do agree that instadocks are pretty much impossible to counter especially given the large size of stations these days.
QFT
It's apparent all the "signed" posts are coming from people whose chosen form of pvp is having noobs warp into them at 15km in defenseless ships
This thread is not to discuss 'noobs' and their inability to defend themselves in dangerous space after being given a warning about jumping in.
Thanks
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Narciss Sevar
The vast majority have instas already or you catch them jumping in. It won't change snigg gate camps much, mabe an extra 5% will get away but probably wouldn't of been worth much anyway. And as for belt piracy, i can't really see how it changes it much.
Hopefully it will reduce my jump in lag so i can start searching for my targets quicker. 
I think the other problem is there is now never a occasion you can trap someone in a system. Denial of movement is a big part of eve currently, removing that bites off another large chunk of gameplay.
Never again will you chase a target around a system. He can just leave or dock...
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gallant Nose
/signed
Warp to 0km is an obsurd idea. It takes away loads of pvp scenarios. Pirating is already hard enough without it being nerfed some more. If you go in to low sec its your risk, allowing 0km warp in makes most of the concept of low sec pointless. It's meant to be dangerous, that's why it allows pirates tbh. If you want to go in to low sec you shouldnt be moaning about 15km warp in.
Exactly, low sec should make you shake and sweat abit, it's apart or the unique experience that eve has to offer. A frig now wandering into 'uncharted' space now has nothing to ever fear.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 05/11/2006 20:03:21
Originally by: DarknessInc
/signed
though I am a retired pirate.
I think it should be Warp to 0km in Empire, Warp to 15km in 0.0.
Maybe warp to 5KM in 0.4, warp to 7KM in 0.3 warp to 10km in 0.2 and warp to 12KM in 0.1 and warp to 15km in 0.0
O.o could be explained through the backstory of Empire gates being more precise and easier to warp into while low sec are more...unstable and the ships force that distance. <.<
This would allow pirates to hunt in lowsec and 0.0 unhindered and allow those in Empire to reap the benefits of this new change
BEST idea ever. Lower sec you go the harder to travel without fitting for travel.
BMs gone, lag gone, risk increasing with decreasing sec. Problem solved. Only downside is empire war guys will still have a hard time.
edit: ...on 2nd thoughts 0.0 would be pretty tough to move about in, but then again, maybe it should be.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36
A few points worth mentioning..
Many of you here have said this is just a whine by a gate camper, but in reality it goes much deeper. Lets face it, in eve the majority of PVP at any level takes place at gates, changing this in any way (and you can't argue that this is not a major change) will change the game in a huge way.
I think those that say they this won't reduce PVP opportunity in eve have not thought it through. Not everyone uses instas, I'd guess under 30%. If you'd like me to count how many insta users out of 100 pilots in low sec I'll count tonight :-)
Quick example of post Kali PVP.
'xxx targets in local, lets try to kill them'
'whats the point, they'll just leave or dock'
I myself totally support CCP in scrapping BMs to improve the server database latency, but this is not the right solution. The two solutions that get my approval are -
1. Variable 'warp to' distance depending on sec level of system
or
2. Warp to 0km but with removal of the stacking nerf of both sensors and remote sensors.
Alot of PC guys have replied to this thread as I asked them to come to the forums and share their thoughts and get some ideas together.
One last point, don't shout 'adapt' when it's all pirates have been doing for the last 3 years... tbh we are slowly running out of ideas and if this goes through you will be quite shocked at how limited PVP will become I can guarantee.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hobbledehoy
Edited by: Hobbledehoy on 06/11/2006 06:49:41
Originally by: tiller
Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36
I think those that say they this won't reduce PVP opportunity in eve have not thought it through...
I agree it will reduce pvp opportunity... for empire pirates, that's pretty much it. For the majority of pvpers (0.0 pvpers) it will not affect pvp. But this situation is an opportunity to improve the pvp to make it more like empire pirating pvp (where most people don't have bookmarks). In 0.0 it's the other way around -- probably 1% don't have bookmarks.
Originally by: tiller
Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36
I myself totally support CCP in scrapping BMs to improve the server database latency, but [warp to 0km] is not the right solution...
I agree with you here
Originally by: tiller
Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 06:31:36
if this goes through you will be quite shocked at how limited PVP will become I can guarantee.
you mean pvp oportunities will be similar to 0.0? Go take a trip to Tribute, Fade, Deklein, & I'll be shocked if you find even 1 person without instas all night..
I'm sorry im focused on low sec. I don't do 0.0 any more and empire is out of bounds.. can see your points though.
Like others have said the plus point is maybe more people will venture to low sec or 0.0.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Hades
@tiller
2 questions:
1. Can I have your stuff? 
2. Does that mean that Egghelende and Ammamake are open to the public again with Kali?
Have fun in WoW.
1. Yes, come and get it
2. No, I'll just find another way to kill you
btw WOW can be fun. Those endless hours standing on alli town roofs fireballing noobs.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Hades
Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler
Pirates gained the stab nerf, making camping the destination end or catching targets in belts or missions easier. Also scanning now looks more efficient.
Thats not entirely true. I guess it is the bullies / griefers ("pirates") who suffer most from the stab nerf. And gate snipers are vulnerable now. You can finally scramble them.
<3 <3 <3 CCP for warp to 0 and stab nerf <3 <3 <3
You wont have gate snipers any more.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 09:52:53
Originally by: Queen Hades
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Queen Hades
Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler
Pirates gained the stab nerf, making camping the destination end or catching targets in belts or missions easier. Also scanning now looks more efficient.
Thats not entirely true. I guess it is the bullies / griefers ("pirates") who suffer most from the stab nerf. And gate snipers are vulnerable now. You can finally scramble them.
<3 <3 <3 CCP for warp to 0 and stab nerf <3 <3 <3
You wont have gate snipers any more.
...and I really like that.
I see no real problem with belt piracy and the like, but gate sniping "piracy" is unfair and nothing more than a way to grind people, nothing else.
In sum I'd say Eve will be more fun for us all when there is no more gate sniping.
I've never heard such BS in my life... seriously, killing one person one way is no better than killing someone another. If it's in the game mechs and you get the same explosion at the end, then it's cool by me.
How is it more 'fair' to slaughter innocents in belts ?, 'fair' means nothing to a pirate. I just want your stuff PERIOD.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
Stab nerf helps everyone :)
Warp to 0 hurts pirates and some warfighters.
Pirates are resilient, but when we have to deal with so much at once, it's a bit overwhelming.
I'm also tired of hearing about how fair and noble PvP is supposed to be. PvP means Player(s) vs Player(s). I don't see how this can be confused with what the rest of you are talking about. Pirates want your stuff. We don't care how we get it. As for pirates who trash talk about how other pirates do their business, get a clue. You can spray your **** with perfume to cover it up, but at the end of the day, your **** stinks just as bad as ours.
lmao, this man speaks the truth 
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 14:44:57
Originally by: Velsharoon
You "pirates" are pathetic
As Olleybear pointed out in ATUF/BDSM the main kills were on the outgoing. We didnt have uber pwnzor camps always either, sometimes it was 2 or three of us, and we got taken out occasionally cos *gasp* there was risk
The point is if you cba to setup a camp properly then you wont catch outgoing. The people you want to kill on incoming all had instas anyways.
Ultimately we should have warp in at 15km, as thats the way it was meant to be. Wanna travel then travel in small ships or big ships meant to move fast.
This is a good change for the game (reduce lag). Adapt or die. Think how much kali will help with killing agent runners in low sec (I presume)
With limited scan res on larger ships that are capable of tanking low sec sentrys it can be VERY difficult to lock ships before they can warp.
Don't accuse people of not setting up a camp properly. I usually sit right on top of a gate with dual faction sensor boosters, faction disruptors and a very light 3 slot tank... if thats not a setup for ships jumping in then what is einstein. Even so I miss maybe 80% of targets through lack of scan res. (thats 80% of the remaining targets after the removal of 50% by the warp to 0 nerf lol)
I know there should be risk in piracy, hell I lose DOZENS of ravens. Kali will reduce gate piracy not only with the warp to 0km, but with the stab nerf. Most gate pirates will simply retire I guarantee! (and retire means leave the game)
The above fact will leave much of the remaining eve population in space hugging each other with nothing to do but exchange entertaining stories about the evil barstewards that used to make life in eve exciting.!
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Posted - 2006.11.06 14:49:00 -
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What is it with all the 'non pirates' fixation with asteroid belts. There is nothing there, why would I want to fly to them.
No wait, I know your fixation and that usually involves sucking them through a straw for hours on end. That however is your chosen gamestyle, I have no problem with that.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 15:09:37
Originally by: Mira deVorsha
Originally by: tiller
What is it with all the 'non pirates' fixation with asteroid belts. There is nothing there, why would I want to fly to them.
How do you know there is nothing there? You check local. If you see people in local then they are probably somewhere you can kill them. Belts are one such area.
You are correct... they are either.
1. Docked
2. Mid warp to 0km :-)
Seriously the belts are usually empty in low sec.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ninjaface
Edited by: Mr Ninjaface on 06/11/2006 18:34:30
someone must of sent out a alliance mail in the pirate coalition instructing everyone of them to post on the eve-o forums whining about warp to 0.
pirate coalition = whine coalition 
I started this thread and then asked anyone interested in alliance to air their views here, good or bad I don't care.
It's nice to discuss things don't you think. Call it a whine if you like.... whatever floats your boat.
btw, did you have anything worthwhile to add to the thread, or you just trolling coz I blew up your hauler once ?
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Posted - 2006.11.06 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 19:05:34
Originally by: Ogodei Ra
"I want to kill people that don't want to die. Its what keeps people in check an scared to come into .4 an below."
lol. Its also why you have so few targets to gank. Take your pick. Very few targets that are easy to catch, or lots of targets that are hard to catch.
Arent stabs getting nerfed anyways ? That should make it easier to catch people since the ratters wont be fitting them.
And I do call it ganking and not PvP when you are simply killing targets that cant fight back. Ive been a ganker in lots of games, but I never tried to brag about it being any kind of meaningful PvP. Its just amusing for me.
'warning, tiller is trying to pvp you, press Y to let him, press N to vanish'
This is the future of eve as the majority of empire dwellers would like. The majority unfortunately usually gets the nod. It makes financial sense for CPP to keep them happy.
More importantly I don't care 'that' much as it's just a game..
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Posted - 2006.11.06 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ninjaface
Originally by: tiller
'warning, tiller is trying to pvp you, press Y to let him, press ctrl+q to vanish'
I fixed it for you 
lmao
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Posted - 2006.11.06 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Lanfear's Bane
Originally by: Queen Hades
Stuff.
Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start.
No, he's worse then that.
He camps with stabs!
More Stabs!
Stabs Galore!
Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what...
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Posted - 2006.11.06 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 21:29:51
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Lanfear's Bane
Originally by: Queen Hades
Stuff.
Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start.
No, he's worse then that.
He camps with stabs!
More Stabs!
Stabs Galore!
Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what...
And you see fit to speak on behalf of all pirates and tell everyone what REAL pvp is?
This is way off topic. I fit what I feel is right for a given situation and gives me a edge in the type of PVP I'm performing.
At the moment I'm targeting only haulers solo in alliance space that responds to gate campers in less than 15mins. Without them I would of lost 5 ravens alone last night.
Job well done, mission accomplished.
edit: maybe once and for all someone can explain the holy grail that is REAL PVP
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Posted - 2006.11.06 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: PCaBoo
I'd also like to remind you to think about what PvP stands for. Say it out loud a few times, let the words soak in. P - Player, V - versus, P - Player. There are no hidden letters that signify that any of this has to be fair or 1v1.
Originally by: Scoundrelus
and an explanation of REAL PvP is simply in the name. Player vs Player. Any occasion where 2 players go head to head, whether a gank or not is PvP. Whether there are stabs involved or not. Which is why I'm so adverse to you saying "this will kill PvP" since PvP will always exist in EVE.
Wheres the argument?
There isn't one, this isn't a thread to have a argument. Please go look elsewhere. Thanks
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
It is really telling that this whine seems to come prepackaged from a single "pirate" alliance.
Jeeze, are those 10% of the population that don't have the sense to use instas really that valuable to you?
Camp the freakin' jump-in. That's all we ever did in Syndicate before we got spheres. That's the only way I've been caught (before spheres) in the past two years of EVE.
Random points to summarize because I'm bored..
1. The thread was a discussion about warp to 0km from the perspective of a gate camper.
2. I always fit for jump in tackle
3. Over 50% of people in low sec do not use g2g instas FACT
4. Anyone will be able to leave any system no more lockdowns
5. Anyone can dock whenever they feel like it, no danger
6. Nano'd cruisers and smaller will be able to move around low sec freely no fear
7. Lag will be reduced (this will be GREAT :-)
8. There will be no fear of 'uncharted' space, you can travel as if it were your home system.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 22:11:19
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Edited by: Scoundrelus on 06/11/2006 22:07:14
Originally by: tiller
1. The thread was a discussion about warp to 0km from the perspective of a gate camper.
Well ****, why didn't you say so earlier! This comment:
Originally by: tiller
Fellow pirates (if you are not one then plz go away)
Made me assume that ALL pirates were welcome to debate here, not just gatecampers. Well then in THAT case, from the perspective of a gatecamper this sucks ass! Which is why it's so great for the rest of EVE.
That is sooooooooo off topic m8. Are we now going to discuss the meaning of the word Pirate. Most PVP in eve is at gates, thats why it's relevant. (in fact those who PVP at a gate are in effect a GATECAMPER.)
O M F G
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:17:00 -
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I welcomed all pirates to the thread. Others are not welcome as I gave up with that long ago in gen discussion. Constant thread derailment and smack. In fact... much like you are doing to this thread now.
Well, I'm back to game.. being some kind of keyboard warrior is not my style. Feel free to derail the thread and further drag it down to your level.
Stabs fitted - Check
Hauler in overview - Check
Fireworks - You bet
Ahh happy days.
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Posted - 2006.11.07 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 07/11/2006 08:51:21
Even after all the ideas and thoughts that many respected pilots in eve have posted in this thread (no I am not one of them :-)), my personal view remains the same......
IMHO as it stands on the test server 'warp to 0km' will remove a large percentage of PVP in eve.
Though many here are all for the changes I have also seen from here and other threads that there is a large qty of people against it, many not pirates. I hope CCP find a happy medium.
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Posted - 2006.11.07 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 07/11/2006 19:44:49
Originally by: OrangeAfroMan
Originally by: Pestillence
Originally by: Altai Saker
I disagree, I think those things were removed long ago, I haven't fought an actual target (read non noob) in over a year that didn't have a full set of insta's for their region including stations (as I'm guessing you do). All this does is level the playing field for newer members of the game and reduce lag.
That being said I do agree that instadocks are pretty much impossible to counter especially given the large size of stations these days.
QFT
It's apparent all the "signed" posts are coming from people whose chosen form of pvp is having noobs warp into them at 15km in defenseless ships
Yeah, lol @ all these "sky is falling" posters.. if you are actually a pirate then 99% of your fights occur in belts anyway, personally this change will only benefit me being that I'm well past the -5.0 mark and rarely have instas.
Also CCP never wanted stargates to be the focus of PvP in the first place so...
Btw tiller you can still have your noobs to kill because autopilot still warps you to 15km.
99% of fights in belts ?, shooting what exactly. Maybe the odd defenseless miner, not much of a challenge for your average solopwnmobile.
I'd be the first to admit I'll kill anyone whos easy pickings with hesitation, I don't care if they joined eve 10mins previous. Anyway, choosing the correct target is maybe a topic for a whole new thread 
If CCP didn't want stargates to be the focus of PVP "in the first place", where do you suggest it should happen ?
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Posted - 2006.11.07 22:45:00 -
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Ahh Gavin Tanner, the infamous eve pirate has spoken
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Posted - 2006.11.08 06:52:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 08/11/2006 06:55:07
Originally by: Tribunal
Originally by: NightmareX
Edited by: NightmareX on 08/11/2006 00:21:59
Originally by: Tribunal
Originally by: Skywalker
I have been playing this game for 3 and a half year, and i choosed the profession "Pirate". If those changes get real, then the profession "pirate" will cease to exist. A pirate is an outlaw in my eyes, and there will be no outlaws if all pirate activities take place in 0.0 space.
Pirate Coalition with over 500 members totally say NO to this change. If the changes are done, then we will have to move to 0.0 space and act like any other alliance out there.
- There is one option though, if you allow 0km jump option, then also allow Bubbles and interdictors in low sec empire space.
- SAY NO to "0km warping"
/not signed
By all means, come on into 0.0. Perhaps then you will understand why most of us 0.0 PvPers/pirates laugh at y'all "pirates" located in low sec.
Maybe you should be a pirate for a month or two and you will understand why we pirates laugh at y'all "carebears" that just whine on us pirates because you want to be much safer in low sec
Sorry dumpling, but I'm stationed in 0.0 not low sec. By all means though, come on down and make 0.0 "unsafe" .
Kinda funny that the "pirates" that are stationed in 0.0 (that have posted in this thread, and have my respect) don't really care about the warp to 0 nerf, but the high sec "pirates" are crying crocodile tears.
Originally by: LittleTerror
:-)
I really don't care about your 0.0 alliance thanks.
Erm I care very little tbh, we will pirate where we want and if we really had to goto 0.0 you would be whining some more on the forums, see we don't do this pvp thing we just kill people when they **** up. If isk in lowsec = crap then we move and we start cloaking at gates and killing people in 0.0, with bubbles, we start dragging people out of warp. We start being total*****s just like you...
I don't "whine" on the forums about PvP as I engage in it on a daily basis (well I did until IAC NAP'd everybody ). If you want a fight then come on down and we will be sure to give you just that, or you can sit in Jita crying because some 2 month old character, that you ward dec'd, warped 0 to the gate.
Generally 0.0 guys won't care much about warp to 0 as -
1 - I guess a great % of 0.0 users use instas
2 - Your small tacklers don't get BBQ by sentrys
3 - You have dictors and bubbles
4 - You can freely engage any target without sentry retribution
All 4 points are the inverse for low sec inhabitants'
It's funny how 0.0 pilots constantly big themselves up as being the 'creme of the crop', 'best of the best', 'we so brave out here'. Well, I could not give a rats ass where you are. If anything you have it easy compared with us bears in low sec.... of course we are gonna be unhappy when the VERY tough time we have already is gonna get twice as hard.
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:27:00 -
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Yeah m8, I just read your post... this could change things totally I guess.
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:45:00 -
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Shhhhh, you'll attract the trolls
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Posted - 2006.11.08 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mangold
Warp to 0 isn't the problem with Kali. The HP boost is.
It will only promote more gankage to prevent people from undocking/docking or mwding back to gate and jump through.
Byebye solo pvp.
you can warp to 0 on stations for docking :(
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 08/11/2006 16:42:40
Originally by: Clayton Macintyre
Although I agree it makes things difficult for pirates, I believe that warp to zero would be an enchancement in fighting. I joined a 0.0 Alliance just a few weeks into the game and flew out there in my little frigates and have been having a blast. As far as traveling goes, I've never been attacked making runs between 0.0 and empire; even without bookmarks and slowboating an industrial (I was new, okay?), I never had any problems.
As far as combat goes, the only time I've seen fights were around gates. Now, yes, this is good, but... what really is there at a gate. "Hey guys, we're defending our... um... gate?"
Perhaps now battles will actually be fought over resources and locations (belts, moons) instead of at gates. All gate camping does is disrupt traffic, and anyone who has a bit of cautiousness and pays attention to the map can avoid gatecamps pretty easily. Hopefully, warp to zero encourages fighting over REAL resources, which is what I think the combat should be about; controlling resources and denying them from your enemies, not sitting at a structure that just leads to something good.
Yes, lets meet at the belt and fight over this veld.
My kind of PVP is filling my hangar with your stuff by force... the only resource we are fighting over is your fittings and cargo.
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.08 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 08/11/2006 21:08:01
Originally by: Psycarne
Originally by: tiller
the VERY tough time we have already is gonna get twice as hard.
Man if you think that empire pirating is hard, you really are a carebear.
It's pretty tough.. well for a pilot of my limited skills. But as far as my experience goes, operating with outlaw status under sentry fire solo and often outnumbered is pretty intense.
Of course it's not all hard work, I enjoy taking down haulers, weak targets as well...
I admit I'm probably a carebear at heart, hell I just finished 3 months of mission running.
Please remind me of the carebear I am if ever I have your pod by the tadgers and am about to suck your stinking corpse from it with a straw... maybe I'll agree and let you go
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.08 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 08/11/2006 21:20:29
Exactly right, alot of non-pirates think that all PVP should be a long drawn out fight of equal skill in similar ships blah blah whatever...
The truth is, as noble as it sounds most people just don't care, I certainly don't and neither do most of PC.
We are here to take your stuff by force.. there is no honor in it, never will be.
From what I see most of the 'ohnoes whiners' posters here are just bitter because maybe they once got pirated. The mental scars run deep... tough luck, get over it!
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tiller
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Posted - 2006.11.08 21:41:00 -
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No, I'm a forum *****
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