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Shinshi Casoyako
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Posted - 2006.11.16 16:16:00 -
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Not an answer I was hoping for but a political one nevertheless. I hope that the people of eve are protected by possible scams with riggers.
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Ysolde Xen
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.11.16 16:57:00 -
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Whoa am I reading this right:
Person A has the skills and fits a rig into a ship which s/he then gives to person B. Person B does not have the skills to use the rig and gets into the ship. Person B gets the rig bonuses anyway.
If this is true, then we have just opened up powertwinking in EVE whereby a higher SP player can pack out a ship with uber rigs and give it to a much less skilled character who shouldn't ordinarily be able to fly it. I thought the whole skill/time thing was supposed to stop powertwinking!?
Meh.
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MyOwnSling
Gallente RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ysolde Xen Whoa am I reading this right:
Person A has the skills and fits a rig into a ship which s/he then gives to person B. Person B does not have the skills to use the rig and gets into the ship. Person B gets the rig bonuses anyway.
If this is true, then we have just opened up powertwinking in EVE whereby a higher SP player can pack out a ship with uber rigs and give it to a much less skilled character who shouldn't ordinarily be able to fly it. I thought the whole skill/time thing was supposed to stop powertwinking!?
Meh.
Without the skill, though, you don't have any reduction to the drawbacks of a rig, so there is still a downside to not having the skill. ------------- Stop whining. |
Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako Ok the answer is very nice but.....
3 major problems arise from this.
1) You need to activly hand over a ship to another player. Ships need to be repackaged to put on escrow or on the market so rigged ships cant be put on the market. This means that only real active persons can be riggers.
2) How can you promote your rigs as product? If you dont need the skills to fly them than you cant sell rigs on the market on its own. Since we allready established the fact that you cant put a rigged ship on the market how will you be able to promote your products? Please dont say we need to put more cans into space to promote rigging.
3) How will a person know that the correct rigs are indeed on the ship? I dont know for sure but I dont think that it will show on showinfo on a essembled ship. Cause than it would be shown in space aswell when flying it. This is uber scamable.
How will we able to tackle these problems?
With the new Contracts System you will be able to sell fully fitted ships and such without having to do a direct trade with the other person.
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Helen Baque
Gallente Baque Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako I hope that the people of eve are protected by possible scams with riggers.
Most humans are equipped with an anti-scam device early in the gestation process. It's mounted above the cervical vertebrae, within the topmost portion of the skeletal structure.
Sadly, most humans have never noticed this device, let alone maintained and used it. This has resulted in endemic breakouts of politics and religion.
-- I already have a girlfriend. Her name is EVE. ;-) |
Malena
Perpetual Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:59:00 -
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Jiekon, Is there any result on where we can find out how many points each ship has? I see the reply on the first page that says tech 1 ships have 3 slots, etc...but I have not been able to locate a place that shows how many points each class of ship gets, or each ship or however it will break down. Is it simply going to be that a tech 1 ship (regardless of tier) is going to get 3 rig slots, or are you going to have balance the "better" rigs against the rigging point attribute of the ship?
I.E. If I have a tempest, it is tier 2, but tech 1...will I be able to give it the same armor boosting rigs that I could give to the typhoon? Or will it have a lower point value because it is tier 2? I like the idea both ways, I am not trying to persuade, just trying to find out more.
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.11.16 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Malena Jiekon, Is there any result on where we can find out how many points each ship has? I see the reply on the first page that says tech 1 ships have 3 slots, etc...but I have not been able to locate a place that shows how many points each class of ship gets, or each ship or however it will break down. Is it simply going to be that a tech 1 ship (regardless of tier) is going to get 3 rig slots, or are you going to have balance the "better" rigs against the rigging point attribute of the ship?
I.E. If I have a tempest, it is tier 2, but tech 1...will I be able to give it the same armor boosting rigs that I could give to the typhoon? Or will it have a lower point value because it is tier 2? I like the idea both ways, I am not trying to persuade, just trying to find out more.
As far as i know, the calibration point system is being balanced so i have no further information about these at the moment. Sorry ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Raketefrau
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.17 16:15:00 -
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This is wonderful if you ask me. I got into the game in the first place to be a builder, and this gives me a whole level of customization that changes everything, mostly for the better.
Like the people (Jess Ica, for example) who have built up reputations for their research businesses, hopefully we will develop some famous builders.
"Head on down to Nonni to Bob's Custom Capitals."
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deusine
Amarr Reykjavik University Corpus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.11.17 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Malena Jiekon, Is there any result on where we can find out how many points each ship has? ...
Like this.
Not very sexy, but the only way atm.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.17 17:29:00 -
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Don't suppose anyone has a screen of the actual rig?
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"Victory is the weakness of the enemy."
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Malena
Perpetual Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.17 18:04:00 -
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Thanks Deusine Anyone else find it odd that a tech 2 ship has a much higher calibration allowance, despite only having 2 slots? Seems like it just increases the gap between tech 1 and tech 2, when I thought the point of rigs was to allow folks to close that gap? I like it better this way, tech 2 needs to be hard to get.
Thor...Linkage goes to screenshot thread.
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Bopque
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Posted - 2006.11.17 19:50:00 -
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I was wondering as i see there are 8 rig slots will there be skills to open up the extra rig slots cause currently tech 1 ships can fit 3 rigs and tech 2 can fit only 2, It should only stand to reason that if there are 8 slots than u should be able to use them at some point. And also will there be skills to increase calibration points to fit said extra rigs and with no stacking penaltys with rigs and with corresponing modules fitted.well maybe a slight stacking penaly.And if u didnt intend to open anymore up than u shouldnt have given the extra slots.
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Bopque
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Posted - 2006.11.18 02:19:00 -
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I see i havent had an answer yet plz somebody a dev preferrably respond.
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.11.18 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bopque I see i havent had an answer yet plz somebody a dev preferrably respond.
It is unknown at this time whether you`ll be able to "add" rig slots (unlikely) or raise calibration points (maybe) ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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infraX
Caldari Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.18 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: infraX on 18/11/2006 15:19:07 Edited by: infraX on 18/11/2006 15:17:55
Originally by: Jiekon Ok, i asked around and did some testing and i can confirm....
<drum roll>
You can fit a rig to a ship, then give that ship to someone who does not have the skills to use rigs.
This will result in....
<drum roll>
The rig effect DOES work for the person who cannot fit them, they are given passively so as long as they are fitted they will effect the ship.
Jiekon,
Just to confirm. What you are saying is that the end user (pilot of the ship) does not need the necessary skills to fit the rigs, because the rigs can be installed by a skilled industrial character and then the pilot can just be traded the ship and fly it with the newly installed rigs and have the benefits?
Meaning that the emphasis for rigging is on industrial characters and that combat pilots do not need to be skilled in rigging, just as they do not need to be skilled in ship building in order to fly the ship.
That's what it sounded like to me but I'm sure that's not what you meant because that just doesn't sound right to me.
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:35:00 -
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yes, that is correct. You do NOT need the skills to benefit from the rig bonus. only to fit them ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Bopque
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Posted - 2006.11.19 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Bopque I see i havent had an answer yet plz somebody a dev preferrably respond.
It is unknown at this time whether you`ll be able to "add" rig slots (unlikely) or raise calibration points (maybe)
Well cmon why the hell did u guys put the extra slots then.Rigging was an awesome idea and as always u guys botch it.Like boosters why would anybody use them theres so many drawbacks in using them. Boosters were a good idea but useless in actual gameplay plz DEVS rethink these rigging and booster areas of the game.
The way i see it is this, u show me a diamond of an idea but when i get what should be a diamond what i really got was a cubic zirconia.
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Biohit
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.11.19 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon yes, that is correct. You do NOT need the skills to benefit from the rig bonus. only to fit them
How bonuses apply to rigs then? If someone with 1lvl skill install rig and then I buy that ship and have 5lvl in same skill, what drawback I will see? 9% or 5%?
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Kazuo Ishiguro
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:12:00 -
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I apologise if anyone else has already asked about any of this, but here goes:
If I repackage a ship that has rigs fitted, what happens to the rigs? Can rigs be damaged, like modules can, once fitted to the ship? If so, can they be repaired in the same way? ---------- An idea for helping people to appreciate ECCM |
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Bopque
Well cmon why the hell did u guys put the extra slots then.Rigging was an awesome idea and as always u guys botch it.Like boosters why would anybody use them theres so many drawbacks in using them. Boosters were a good idea but useless in actual gameplay plz DEVS rethink these rigging and booster areas of the game.
The way i see it is this, u show me a diamond of an idea but when i get what should be a diamond what i really got was a cubic zirconia.
Boosters and Rigs are fine the way they are. You want that benefit? you have to take the drawbacks. The reason ships can have up to 8 rig slots is for future proofing, just the same way all ships *may* have up to 8 hi, mid, lo slots, it's to cater for variations in future ships
Quote: How bonuses apply to rigs then? If someone with 1lvl skill install rig and then I buy that ship and have 5lvl in same skill, what drawback I will see? 9% or 5%?
When you fly the ship, your skills affect the drawbacks. No skills? you take 10% drawback, level 1 skill? you take 9% all the way down to 5.
Quote: If I repackage a ship that has rigs fitted, what happens to the rigs?
They are permamently destroyed. ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Digioso
Caldari BGG Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:39:00 -
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Will we get rigs to boost smartbombs too, to overcome the nerf that hitpoint boost brings on them?
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Malena
Perpetual Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:18:00 -
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Thanks for all the info Jiekon. It helps a lot.
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Malena Thanks for all the info Jiekon. It helps a lot.
you're welcome :) ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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