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EvilNate Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:36:00 - [1] Guys have been testing ECM on the test server and it's currently worse in Kali the way things stand, than it currently is now. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=423526 Ignore the troll This needs to fixed ASAP, it can't go lie the way it is now. Nate.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:43:00 - [2] A lot of things are going to be worse in Kali but the devs are silent. Its starting to p.o. me. My playstyle has been completely nuked, not because it was some overpowered thing they are getting rid of but because I picked the wrong faction. I'd can spend a few months of training in another faction to get back to where I am right now pvp wise. Joy, thanks.
Valan	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:22:00 - [3] EVE has always been that way. No one specialises or trains to be good at something they train to get over the next nerf. Thast why noobs can compete against vets. It doesn't matter how long you've been here if you train the latest 'thing' item you're at the top of the food chain. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.

Xorus Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:25:00 - [4] ECM has been nerfed on ships not designed to be specialist ECM boats, so now there will be more call for people who actually fly things like scorps and falcons instead of people having a spare medslot and throwing in a multispec. Oh and also relocated to the correct location :) --- Wanna Buy a Goat??- Tirg Member of the 'Kaemonn is My Hero' club Member of the "Immy's Bald Head Appreciation Society" Xorus is currenly off duty counting trees in Siberia. -Ivan K How much is that goaty in the window, baaa baaaa - Cortes (Secretary, Bald Head Appreciation Society) All your sig are belong to me - Tanis

meppa Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:30:00 - [5] So, one could say that other races but caldari have been nerfed and all pilots should learn caldari ship skills? :)
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:34:00 - [6] Originally by: meppa So, one could say that other races but caldari have been nerfed and all pilots should learn caldari ship skills? :) If you want to use ECM, sure. I'm seeing damps being used very effectively on test.
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:35:00 - [7] @ meppa it doesnt take tht long to train caldari cruiser 4 for a good blackbird setup. If you are an ECM specialist, you'd already have this, surely?
EvilNate Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Xorus ECM has been nerfed on ships not designed to be specialist ECM boats, so now there will be more call for people who actually fly things like scorps and falcons instead of people having a spare medslot and throwing in a multispec. Oh and also relocated to the correct location :) Have you even read the post I linked? I specifically posted this in General Discussion so ppl could see the other post and read it. ECM is still broken, Roch running around with 3x ECM rigs on has a better chance of jamming than it currently would now. It's broken. Nate
meppa Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:45:00 - [9] Well, currently i can put ecm on amarr ships and use them quite decently. Now they say train skills for bb to use it. As for using just tracking disrupters ecm is only ew that has no real counter for it. If you get jammed you can't do anything, but with damps you can get closer and still fight, with tracking disruption you can minimize transversal and load longer range crystals. Conclusion is that other races got effectivily nerfed in ew while caldari remains same. With all these changes that favour caldari kali should be renamed as "All hail mighty caldari". Current list is quite nice already 1. caldari gets turret ship with longest range ever, while others get range nerf 2. caldari get new nice toy as in assault missiles 3. fights last longer while shield recharge / second remains same => shields generate more hitpoints during fight which helps shield tankers. Oh, caldari shield tank best ;) 4. best form of ew gets restricted to caldari ships only Now if rumored nos nerf goes trough, that means passive tanked friggies that use no cap for guns can work effectivily while being nossed. Guess what, that means minmatar and caldari :p
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:49:00 - [10] Originally by: EvilNate Originally by: Xorus ECM has been nerfed on ships not designed to be specialist ECM boats, so now there will be more call for people who actually fly things like scorps and falcons instead of people having a spare medslot and throwing in a multispec. Oh and also relocated to the correct location :) Have you even read the post I linked? I specifically posted this in General Discussion so ppl could see the other post and read it. ECM is still broken, Roch running around with 3x ECM rigs on has a better chance of jamming than it currently would now. It's broken. Nate EvilNate, ignore that ... OP of the other forum, if you read that forum you'd know that he's full of "Oh my precious Gallente ultra underpowered ships, nerf Caldari" type of post is completely based on nothing...
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:51:00 - [11] Originally by: EvilNate Originally by: Xorus ECM has been nerfed on ships not designed to be specialist ECM boats, so now there will be more call for people who actually fly things like scorps and falcons instead of people having a spare medslot and throwing in a multispec. Oh and also relocated to the correct location :) Have you even read the post I linked? I specifically posted this in General Discussion so ppl could see the other post and read it. ECM is still broken, Roch running around with 3x ECM rigs on has a better chance of jamming than it currently would now. It's broken. Nate That's not broken. That's 5-6 slots dedicated to ECM. If that ship COULDN'T jam you, it would be broken.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:53:00 - [12] Originally by: meppa Well, currently i can put ecm on amarr ships and use them quite decently. Now they say train skills for bb to use it. As for using just tracking disrupters ecm is only ew that has no real counter for it. If you get jammed you can't do anything, but with damps you can get closer and still fight, with tracking disruption you can minimize transversal and load longer range crystals. Conclusion is that other races got effectivily nerfed in ew while caldari remains same. With all these changes that favour caldari kali should be renamed as "All hail mighty caldari". Current list is quite nice already 1. caldari gets turret ship with longest range ever, while others get range nerf 2. caldari get new nice toy as in assault missiles 3. fights last longer while shield recharge / second remains same => shields generate more hitpoints during fight which helps shield tankers. Oh, caldari shield tank best ;) 4. best form of ew gets restricted to caldari ships only Now if rumored nos nerf goes trough, that means passive tanked friggies that use no cap for guns can work effectivily while being nossed. Guess what, that means minmatar and caldari :p Meppa, have you EVER bothered to fit an ECCM? Surely friend, you as many other's prefer tank and damage mods.. the fact is that if you do not fit or know how to use a counter that is widely available for BOTH medium and LOW slots, it is simply your fault for failing to see the much obvious counter! What is your problem with Caldari? Apparently you fail to see what other races have to offer... well brother.. simply open your eyes then. for your sake I'd like to think that you invested something in liking your race, and believe me, coming from the guy you shoot at (read being blown up by Amarr ships on multiple occasions), your ships are nothing to look down on!
Santa Anna	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:53:00 - [13] Originally by: EvilNate Guys have been testing ECM on the test server and it's currently worse in Kali the way things stand, than it currently is now. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=423526 Ignore the troll This needs to fixed ASAP, it can't go lie the way it is now. Nate. Why did you start a new thread with nothing but a link to another active thread?
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Black Scorpio Meppa, have you EVER bothered to fit an ECCM? Surely friend, you as many other's prefer tank and damage mods.. the fact is that if you do not fit or know how to use a counter that is widely available for BOTH medium and LOW slots, it is simply your fault for failing to see the much obvious counter! Scorpio, you should know by now that the people who consider ECM game-breaking and whine nonstop about it are the same people who refuse to fit any counters against it. They don't DO, they WHINE.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:57:00 - [15] I hate ecm. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Xorus ECM has been nerfed on ships not designed to be specialist ECM boats, so now there will be more call for people who actually fly things like scorps and falcons instead of people having a spare medslot and throwing in a multispec. Oh and also relocated to the correct location :) Unfortunately its not true cause with ECM nerf comes new lowslot module + new rigs that improve ECM to previous standards. And i can spare 1 low and 2 rigs on curse to get 4x ECM as before and guess most other ppl can do it too.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Black Scorpio Meppa, have you EVER bothered to fit an ECCM? Surely friend, you as many other's prefer tank and damage mods.. the fact is that if you do not fit or know how to use a counter that is widely available for BOTH medium and LOW slots, it is simply your fault for failing to see the much obvious counter! Scorpio, you should know by now that the people who consider ECM game-breaking and whine nonstop about it are the same people who refuse to fit any counters against it. They don't DO, they WHINE. I know Risien... Once when once Black Scorpio was just a starting pilot he flew his caldari ships with respect and awe, and was looking at the universe with a curious and fearless eyes. He made mistakes, learned from them and went through his career as a pilot coming out stronger after each encounter.. he had respect for the other pilots and sought after harmony in the universe until.... One day he stumled on a hidden system called Forumia, deep in the eve universe, so obviously noticeable that most people ignored it.. so Black Scorpio decided to venture in that system and see what's going on in there.. what did he find.. loads, of crazed out Gallente whiney pilots that were spray painting obscene signs on the planet's surfaces aimed at mocking and putting down on the fair and brave Caldari. These monstrous acts of indispicability imprinted in the young pilot's mind in such a way that there was a new goal on the horizon, to hunt down and expose those who tainted the Caldari name with impunity and shameless vulgarisms and brutality... the outcome.. well as you have noticed, another swift defender of all Caldari like and use. Young Scorpio vowed at excelling in Caldari ships specializations and use their strengths against his enemies weaknesses... :) lol, i feel like those people that created the story about the shuttle travel and Eve like real life story :)))
QwaarJet Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Xorus ECM has been nerfed on ships not designed to be specialist ECM boats, so now there will be more call for people who actually fly things like scorps and falcons instead of people having a spare medslot and throwing in a multispec. Wrong. ECM strength has been halved, and the bonuses for strength on the specialist ships are nowhere near enough to compensate. Even on a Rook, you won't be able to even equal the strength of a standard multispec on any random ship at the moment. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Nahia Senne Fortunis Novum	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:46:00 - [19] to sum up what op said, soon i start training caldari. thank god gallente and caldari share same guns. Make ECCM viable! Give it 25% to scanning resolution!
Captain Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:54:00 - [20] Edited by: Captain Raynor on 09/11/2006 20:56:01 Originally by: meppa So, one could say that other races but caldari have been nerfed and all pilots should learn caldari ship skills? :) No one could say that jammers are the Caldari racial ECM, (gal=damps, amarr=tracking disruptors, minmatar=target painter) and was too good on every ship that had a spare medium slot for it (which is a lot of ships, mind you) and now it's more geared towards ships specifically designed to use ECM Jammers (Scorp, Rook, Falcon, ect). Other races get ships designed for their racial EW too, so I don't see how this is a problem unless you are just a guy that enjoys mindless Caldari h8, which is probably the case. This is a nerf to all Caldari ships that don't have ECM bonuses too, after all the best pvp Raven setups were armor tanked ECM setups with cruise launchers..... ===================
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:54:00 - [21] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 09/11/2006 21:04:08 "Foot, meet mouth" : Originally by: QwaarJet Originally by: Xorus ECM has been nerfed on ships not designed to be specialist ECM boats, so now there will be more call for people who actually fly things like scorps and falcons instead of people having a spare medslot and throwing in a multispec. Wrong. ECM strength has been halved, and the bonuses for strength on the specialist ships are nowhere near enough to compensate. Even on a Rook, you won't be able to even equal the strength of a standard multispec on any random ship at the moment. Rook in Kali : 2.4 * 1.5 * 2 = 7.2 (9 with Signal Disp V) Rook in Dragon : 4.8 * 1.5 = 7.2 (9 with Signal Disp V) "Why hello there mouth, my name is foot." For those that haven't caught up yet, ECM will be 25% worse on the Blackbird than it currently is. It will be EXACTLY the same on the Scorpion, Falcon and Rook - BEFORE RIGS AND DAMAGE MODS COME INTO PLAY. Damage mods mean ECM is more than 40% stronger than previously in what will be a common setup, or up to 70% with an optimal distribuition of rigs and damage mods. This does not come at a significant expense to tank if we're presuming rigs will be used, and at a mild cost if we're presuming rigs are not used to gain this boost. Kali balance shifts such as ECM changes, inertia stabilizers and the hitpoint buff (or more accurately, the plate/extender buff) - are an utter disaster. Arguing against this on the basis of perceived Caldari hostility isn't going to make the game more fun when these things hit TQ.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg "Foot, meet mouth" : Originally by: QwaarJet Originally by: Xorus ECM has been nerfed on ships not designed to be specialist ECM boats, so now there will be more call for people who actually fly things like scorps and falcons instead of people having a spare medslot and throwing in a multispec. Wrong. ECM strength has been halved, and the bonuses for strength on the specialist ships are nowhere near enough to compensate. Even on a Rook, you won't be able to even equal the strength of a standard multispec on any random ship at the moment. Rook in Kali : 2.4 * 1.5 * 2 = 7.2 (9 with Signal Disp V) Rook in Dragon : 4.8 * 1.5 = 7.2 (9 with Signal Disp V) "Why hello there mouth, my name is foot." Ernest, that extra *2 in your calc for Kali comes from low slot enhancements, doesn't it? well making a ship lose a low (or two low slots) in order to have the same effectiveness is a nerf don't you think?
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:14:00 - [23] No, new Rook bonuses. Get with the times homeslice.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg No, new Rook bonuses. Get with the times homeslice. Homeslice? What's this, is it tasty ? :)) lol...
Ihar Enda Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:53:00 - [25] ECM sucks. To let luck influence the outcome of a fight in such an extreme way is just plain stupid.
meppa Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Captain Raynor Edited by: Captain Raynor on 09/11/2006 20:56:01 Originally by: meppa So, one could say that other races but caldari have been nerfed and all pilots should learn caldari ship skills? :) No one could say that jammers are the Caldari racial ECM, (gal=damps, amarr=tracking disruptors, minmatar=target painter) and was too good on every ship that had a spare medium slot for it (which is a lot of ships, mind you) and now it's more geared towards ships specifically designed to use ECM Jammers (Scorp, Rook, Falcon, ect). Scorp, rook, falcon and blackbird just happend to be caldari ships, like arbitrator happends to be amarrian and gets tracking disrupters etc... So we can say they are caldari racial jammers. Quote: Other races get ships designed for their racial EW too, so I don't see how this is a problem unless you are just a guy that enjoys mindless Caldari h8, which is probably the case. None of these are as effective as caldari ECM as... 1) It is chance based, so you can get jammed no matter what. 2) Once jammed there is no counter for it. No matter how great your piloting skills are you can't do anything once jammed. 3) You can only increase your chance of not being jammed by fitting lowslot modules which don't give you any other boost (compare to tracking computer which boosts your range and tracking always and that can be considered as tracking disruptor counter) Quote: This is a nerf to all Caldari ships that don't have ECM bonuses too, after all the best pvp Raven setups were armor tanked ECM setups with cruise launchers..... Yes, sometimes it works that way too. But cruise launcher ravens are basically one of rare battleships that can fight even with reduced effect while being jammed with fof missiles. You fail to see bigger picture totally. Every other racial EW counters just one small group of ships. Caldari EW is only one that counters everything. Guess i hit soft spot by saying yet another nerf for other then caldari. I don't mind that caldari get best range out of their EW but once you restrict most effective EW to certain race only it is bad. In my opinion there are couple of solutions to this. i) Give each race bonuses to ECM on certain ships instead of their old recial ew. Perhaps they get only strenght boost on jamming their primary enemy. ii) Change ECM so that it doesn't effectivily counter every type of ship/weapon. Could be enough to remove multispectral and reduce jamming strenght against all but what jammer is ment to jam. Why restrict "i win" button to just certain race?
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.09 22:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Ihar Enda ECM sucks. To let luck influence the outcome of a fight in such an extreme way is just plain stupid. Exactly. Because I said so...
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Ihar Enda ECM sucks. To let luck influence the outcome of a fight in such an extreme way is just plain stupid. It seems every shot of your turret is luck... is it not a chance? wrecking hits are not often... damage is not consistant. ECM is another counter to someone shooting their big guns. If you don't like... use FoF... or drones. There are many counters to ECM. Quit complaining that it sucks... its a viable option to any battle. Deal with it, or leave. This isn't Unreal... if you want a shoot-em-up game... go there. CCP is leaning toward multiple setups, multiple fleets, variations in battle... no more blob gank fests. Pure DPS is no longer the 'i win'. ECM is fine... its your gamestyle that is flawed.
Miri Tirzan Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Black Scorpio Meppa, have you EVER bothered to fit an ECCM? Surely friend, you as many other's prefer tank and damage mods.. the fact is that if you do not fit or know how to use a counter that is widely available for BOTH medium and LOW slots, it is simply your fault for failing to see the much obvious counter! Scorpio, you should know by now that the people who consider ECM game-breaking and whine nonstop about it are the same people who refuse to fit any counters against it. They don't DO, they WHINE. I would agree but there is no counter to ECM. If there was one, could you please name what module I could mount that makes ECM NEVER WORK! There is not one. ECM is a chance based system that either is totally effective and shutdown the target or does not work. Nothing else in the game is this way, everything else has a way to either reduce the effect or cancel it out, but ECM does not have a remedy. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Miri Tirzan Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Lord Frost Originally by: Ihar Enda ECM sucks. To let luck influence the outcome of a fight in such an extreme way is just plain stupid. It seems every shot of your turret is luck... is it not a chance? wrecking hits are not often... damage is not consistant. ECM is another counter to someone shooting their big guns. If you don't like... use FoF... or drones. There are many counters to ECM. Quit complaining that it sucks... its a viable option to any battle. Deal with it, or leave. This isn't Unreal... if you want a shoot-em-up game... go there. CCP is leaning toward multiple setups, multiple fleets, variations in battle... no more blob gank fests. Pure DPS is no longer the 'i win'. ECM is fine... its your gamestyle that is flawed. Gee, let me think, nope your wrong. There are no counters to ECM. Everyone all to gether... THERE IS NO COUNTER TO ECM. Which is why everyone uses it and even with the nerf it is worth using on any ships since it is totally chance based system. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."

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