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Niraco79 Gallente Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:24:00 - [31] Edited by: Niraco79 on 10/11/2006 08:27:33 First of all BoB was better in this fight. Thank you for learnin me some. I would like to get a quick addition to those spoken by bizzare: Lag description from someone who managed to load the enemy ships on his grid. 1. warp in on the gate. Client pimped with all goodies from these forums, settings as low as i can. Client in window mode and colour depth set to 16B(those backgroudns look awful but it help a lot). Overview with all object not selected. 2. 20 sec of seein the gate clear while i managed to get my enyo to align. Huge spike lag for 10 sec then all ships loaded on screen 3. Load the battle support overview. ~5 sec lag maybe less 4. Hearin 1 primary 1 secondary on TS started to search and target with a slideshow running (but manageble) 5. Target cycle finish, ship appear ready to shoot after 6-7 seconds. Ships is pod now but is targeted even i saw and clicked to target his ship. 6.Guns start to shoot after 10-15 sec 7. Second targeted ship appear on my screen as beein targeted and is 9 km from me 8. Pod is down in 2 guns cycles, but the damage appeared on pod when my guns actually stopped firing. 9. Second inty is 25km from me when the guns actually started to shoot. good i am in enyo i should hit this i thought. At this time i saw one yellow dotting. 10. 12 cycles from guns no damage on the inty. 11. Yellow turn red. no damage to my ship. I clicked warp away. 12. 20 sec pass, no warp 100 points damage on my ship and i saw that was an eagle shootin me 13. now i`m hit by some missiles even i see only eagle shootin on overview. enemy inty started to get damage, but my guns are not shootin(i stopped them to get on a new primary- it took me 30 sec to stop 125 tech 2 rails to shoot) 14. my shields are at 20% and my ship finnaly warped away (around 1 and a half minute after i clicked warp away). My battle was for maximum 5 minutes while i managed to shoot 1 pod and one inty. I think i would rather died in that battle with no lag at all instead havin 5 minutes of powerpoint with ships. This is my experience and represent my only personal point of view. ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Niraco79 Lag description... Sounds VERY familiar... I could have written that too My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:48:00 - [33] Is it not a bit chilly to have a bbq so late in the year? --- Lodhi ftg
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:30:00 - [34] Very nice writeup Bizarre.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Niraco79 Lag description from someone who managed to load the enemy ships on his grid. 1. warp in on the gate. Client pimped with all goodies from these forums, settings as low as i can. Client in window mode and colour depth set to 16B(those backgroudns look awful but it help a lot). Overview with all object not selected. 2. 20 sec of seein the gate clear while i managed to get my enyo to align. Huge spike lag for 10 sec then all ships loaded on screen 3. Load the battle support overview. ~5 sec lag maybe less 4. Hearin 1 primary 1 secondary on TS started to search and target with a slideshow running (but manageble) 5. Target cycle finish, ship appear ready to shoot after 6-7 seconds. Ships is pod now but is targeted even i saw and clicked to target his ship. 6.Guns start to shoot after 10-15 sec 7. Second targeted ship appear on my screen as beein targeted and is 9 km from me 8. Pod is down in 2 guns cycles, but the damage appeared on pod when my guns actually stopped firing. 9. Second inty is 25km from me when the guns actually started to shoot. good i am in enyo i should hit this i thought. At this time i saw one yellow dotting. 10. 12 cycles from guns no damage on the inty. 11. Yellow turn red. no damage to my ship. I clicked warp away. 12. 20 sec pass, no warp 100 points damage on my ship and i saw that was an eagle shootin me 13. now i`m hit by some missiles even i see only eagle shootin on overview. enemy inty started to get damage, but my guns are not shootin(i stopped them to get on a new primary- it took me 30 sec to stop 125 tech 2 rails to shoot) 14. my shields are at 20% and my ship finnaly warped away (around 1 and a half minute after i clicked warp away). My battle was for maximum 5 minutes while i managed to shoot 1 pod and one inty. I think i would rather died in that battle with no lag at all instead havin 5 minutes of powerpoint with ships. This is my experience and represent my only personal point of view. I think I'll put that somewhere for reference in future fleet battles. -- Thukkers do
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:09:00 - [36] I missed the gang leaving from AZN, so jumped in a Sabre and headed towards H8. I was just arriving as the fight was starting. As I arrived at the gate to H8 I got a traffic control warning and a 2 minute countdown. Just then a BoB ship jumped through the gate. I panic as normal, expecting a sea of orange, but it's just a pod. try to dictor bubble it, but nothing launches and the pod warps off! Who knows if the module ever activated, as at that moment I jumped through the gate. (oops had left the autopilot on!). Was about 2 minutes for the screen to load even though there is nothing else on the grid at all. Try to get off the gate as quick as possible, but it takes a further 2+ mins to warp. (Luckily still nothing on overview). By this time the GF's are going up in local and it's all over. Complete and utter joke! So from the losses I seen with my own eyes, my report says we won killing 1 ship for no losses
Elfman AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:29:00 - [37] The lag just killed what could have been a great fight. jumped into h8 - emergency warped - warp back to gate - lagged out and then game crashes with weird blue screen. reboot try to log back in cant - think blow this its time to spend some time with the wife anyways. look at bob killboards and find out BS popped. just wish I had actually managed to shoot or do something I really hope kali + the new new hardware allows us to actually do these big fleet fights. props to bob + ascn for not flaming each other in this thread (so far) Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: DTee Great write up Biz mate. I have to say the Titan is amazing. As a logistics tool and a transport machine. Agreed. Just jumping over to 3ppt so we could all "insta" to h8 and avoid the traffic queues and rubbish is worth having it on the field of play. <3 our newest taxi service :D If you don't mind answering this question based on operational security etc: How many ships can you jump with the titan? I have heard that whatever ships that are within a certain radius of the titan/jump gate can jump in? To me, this is the whole point of the titan, not the doomsday weapon. And it seems that BoB are using it to transport the fleet instead of just insta popping cruisers .
Joe Bloggers Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Buxaroo If you don't mind answering this question based on operational security etc: How many ships can you jump with the titan? I have heard that whatever ships that are within a certain radius of the titan/jump gate can jump in? To me, this is the whole point of the titan, not the doomsday weapon. And it seems that BoB are using it to transport the fleet instead of just insta popping cruisers . I heard that the jump gate costs soomething like 100 strotium to use and lasts 10 minutes. During this time, any ship can freely jump without any additional cost. Is this how it works? Just an Average Joe!
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:44:00 - [40] Nice story. Looks like you had fun. But I'm just here to state that Trinity Faetals sig is my favorite outbreak sig so far. Oh, those eyes ... I feel like a school boy again. Who is it ?

Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:51:00 - [41] Originally by: liquidism nice read man. and good op. kudos. kill all hobbits IF ASCN were to fall then where are the challenges left to BoB in EVE, other than perhaps D2, so give it 6 months time and it will be your turn next and then I will be laughing too (from my spot in Rens running missions for Brutor Tribe ). Seriously though if ASCN ever falls I think that it will be it for me and eve. I do not like BoB and would never dream of working for "the man" as a slave corp/alliance. On various accounts I have fought against most groups in EVE and from my experiences BoB as they are, are in a different league. Yes there are very good smaller corps like Outbreak, Omnisicient Order and CELES etc. and every group has its good players but when taken as a group the larger alliances are simply no comparison. I think they spoil their reputation with the use of lame stuff like TS spies (nice job by the way getting one of our gangs to warp to a BoB POS last night with shouts over TS, we were laughing about it afterwards (it was either that or cry)) but if they don't care about their reputation compared to getting the 'win' then "so what" I guess. In some ways the end of this war will be a good time to bow out from the game after what will be almost 3 years for me, fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and if it at the end you lost, well so be it, there if always a winner and a loser. If you win, then again, what is going to compare to that? Once someone has "won EVE", then it will be time to move on I feel. If its BoB then I could wait for them to fall apart (possibly) or move to pirates of the carribean or whatever (if its true) but then that would be a pretty hollow victory. If we cant take them out now at their peak then there is no beating them in the game - other alliances like ASCN and D2 and others are all going to be second tier alliances - and thats fine for some I guess but not for me, I would rather try my hand at something new. So gl all and cya on the battlefield BoB, I still have 130 Ares to get through even if u have pwnd all my fitted BS
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Ascend Alt I think they spoil their reputation with the use of lame stuff like TS spies (nice job by the way getting one of our gangs to warp to a BoB POS last night with shouts over TS, we were laughing about it afterwards (it was either that or cry)) but if they don't care about their reputation compared to getting the 'win' then "so what" I guess. Not that I expect you to believe me, but that honestly wasn't us, that was one of your own prized members desperately trying to get you to go and support your dying dreads.
Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: Ascend Alt I think they spoil their reputation with the use of lame stuff like TS spies (nice job by the way getting one of our gangs to warp to a BoB POS last night with shouts over TS, we were laughing about it afterwards (it was either that or cry)) but if they don't care about their reputation compared to getting the 'win' then "so what" I guess. Not that I expect you to believe me, but that honestly wasn't us, that was one of your own prized members desperately trying to get you to go and support your dying dreads. Then why did the FC get mails from guys in DICE thanking him for listening to them and not "the confused FCs" and warping to the BoB pos?
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Ascend Alt Then why did the FC get mails from guys in DICE thanking him for listening to them and not "the confused FCs" and warping to the BoB pos? That's utter rubbish I'm afraid, your FC screwed up and is trying to cover his arse. You can accuse us all you like of being "lame" and so forth but we don't need nor intend to stoop to such levels, ever.
Zasra Crown Royal Mining Corp	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Notleh Edited by: Notleh on 10/11/2006 01:02:06 Nice write-up Bizarre. Refreshing to see an honest representation of events. Anyway, good fight BoB. Um.. you guys got slaughtered, and that's putting it lightly. How is that a good fight? Good read though, probably the turning point in the one-sided war that makes PS an all bob (and bob slave corp) zone. I just read this stuff and look at the awful killboard stats and wonder how so many people can be so bad? Good luck to both sides of course.
Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: Ascend Alt Then why did the FC get mails from guys in DICE thanking him for listening to them and not "the confused FCs" and warping to the BoB pos? That's utter rubbish I'm afraid, your FC screwed up and is trying to cover his arse. You can accuse us all you like of being "lame" and so forth but we don't need nor intend to stoop to such levels, ever. I dont know about last night but I have been on TS before when it has had BoB spies on it shouting conflicting orders, so....
Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Zasra Um.. you guys got slaughtered, and that's putting it lightly. How is that a good fight? Good read though, probably the turning point in the one-sided war that makes PS an all bob (and bob slave corp) zone. I just read this stuff and look at the awful killboard stats and wonder how so many people can be so bad? They aren't, it only takes a couple of bad decisions to lead to these sort of situations when fighting someone very good at fleet pvp. Individually there are a fair few decent pvpers in ASCN, its just there are a lot who are not so good or experienced and that can lead to mistakes and those mistakes lead to these kinds of situations. Poor intell is often a source of issues. Someone thinking a scout said "4 or 5 BoB" in the next system instead of the actual "45 BoB" comes to mind....
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:01:00 - [48] Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2006 15:04:20 Originally by: Ascend Alt Poor intell is often a source of issues. Someone thinking a scout said "4 or 5 BoB" in the next system instead of the actual "45 BoB" comes to mind.... LMAO... can you imagine it... ASCN SCOUT : There are fourty five BoB in the next system guys, watch out ASCN FC : Thx scout 1, k guys we have four to five BoB in the next system... we are gonna jump through... "JUMP". ... comeon..... its like the Irish joke.. "tree fellers wanted".. aww thats a shame paddy ain't it.. there's only two of us... If thats the kind of stuff that happens on a regular basis in ASCN fleets... book your one way tickets to empire now, before the christmas rush.
Lunas Feelgood Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2006 15:04:20 Originally by: Ascend Alt Poor intell is often a source of issues. Someone thinking a scout said "4 or 5 BoB" in the next system instead of the actual "45 BoB" comes to mind.... LMAO... can you imagine it... ASCN SCOUT : There are fourty five BoB in the next system guys, watch out ASCN FC : Thx scout 1, k guys we have four to five BoB in the next system... we are gonna jump through... "JUMP". ... comeon..... its like the Irish joke.. "tree fellers wanted".. aww thats a shame paddy ain't it.. there's only two of us... If thats the kind of stuff that happens on a regular basis in ASCN fleets... book your one way tickets to empire now, before the christmas rush. LMAO
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:11:00 - [50] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2006 15:04:20 Originally by: Ascend Alt Poor intell is often a source of issues. Someone thinking a scout said "4 or 5 BoB" in the next system instead of the actual "45 BoB" comes to mind.... LMAO... can you imagine it... ASCN SCOUT : There are fourty five BoB in the next system guys, watch out ASCN FC : Thx scout 1, k guys we have four to five BoB in the next system... we are gonna jump through... "JUMP". ... comeon..... its like the Irish joke.. "tree fellers wanted".. aww thats a shame paddy ain't it.. there's only two of us... If thats the kind of stuff that happens on a regular basis in ASCN fleets... book your one way tickets to empire now, before the christmas rush. That genuinely made me laugh so hard i cried a little Let's see who's standing at the end when the dust settle's

Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2006 15:04:20 Originally by: Ascend Alt Poor intell is often a source of issues. Someone thinking a scout said "4 or 5 BoB" in the next system instead of the actual "45 BoB" comes to mind.... LMAO... can you imagine it... ASCN SCOUT : There are fourty five BoB in the next system guys, watch out ASCN FC : Thx scout 1, k guys we have four to five BoB in the next system... we are gonna jump through... "JUMP". ... comeon..... its like the Irish joke.. "tree fellers wanted".. aww thats a shame paddy ain't it.. there's only two of us... If thats the kind of stuff that happens on a regular basis in ASCN fleets... book your one way tickets to empire now, before the christmas rush. shrugs its a game mate, we have a laugh about it and have no pretences as to our god like abilities within it. Its a pity we cannot all achieve the awesome things within the game that Black Spot have, which is what exactly? Anyone can stay small and take potshots at others.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:23:00 - [52] Originally by: Ascend Alt shrugs its a game mate, we have a laugh about it and have no pretences as to our god like abilities within it. Its a pity we cannot all achieve the awesome things within the game that Black Spot have, which is what exactly? Anyone can stay small and take potshots at others. .. doesn't seem like you are laughing much to me.. infact reading between the lines you are pretty ****ed off that I joked at ASCN's expense.... which is perfectly understandable.. but pls drop the "poor ASCN" argument. You are the biggest alliance in the game.. act like it.
Joram McRory Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:25:00 - [53] The OP was a pretty fair write up afaik. The best bit is my fame though :-D 2006.11.09 21:29 Attacked object: Minmatar Control Tower Current Shield Level: 98% Current Armor Integrity: 100% Current Hull Integrity: 100% Aggressing Pilot: Joram McRory Aggressing Pilot's Corporation: eXceed Inc. Aggressing Pilot's Alliance: Ascendant Frontier We knew we were taking a huge risk when we took the dreads in (and yes, the fact my nicotene deprived body was sending me up the wall may have had an impact!), but we felt it was worth it. We had planned for just the one seige cycle. We gambled that with your fleet a fair way away, and engaging our fleet, that we would have time to get out. As it was you got into 3ptt in the nick of time. My pulse rate went through the roof tbh. I was spaming warp to as I came out of seige and was pretty amazed that I got out! I assume your tacklers were lagged out, and only the POS scrammers were effective? My comiserations to the 3 dead dreads, that is a bit of a dent to the wallet of even a wealthy player Local was smack free so well done BoB and GF all. Oh, Nez - **** off and find your own war to write about Joram My Photography site
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Joram McRory The OP was a pretty fair write up afaik. The best bit is my fame though :-D 2006.11.09 21:29 Attacked object: Minmatar Control Tower Current Shield Level: 98% Current Armor Integrity: 100% Current Hull Integrity: 100% Aggressing Pilot: Joram McRory Aggressing Pilot's Corporation: eXceed Inc. Aggressing Pilot's Alliance: Ascendant Frontier We knew we were taking a huge risk when we took the dreads in (and yes, the fact my nicotene deprived body was sending me up the wall may have had an impact!), but we felt it was worth it. We had planned for just the one seige cycle. We gambled that with your fleet a fair way away, and engaging our fleet, that we would have time to get out. As it was you got into 3ptt in the nick of time. My pulse rate went through the roof tbh. I was spaming warp to as I came out of seige and was pretty amazed that I got out! I assume your tacklers were lagged out, and only the POS scrammers were effective? My comiserations to the 3 dead dreads, that is a bit of a dent to the wallet of even a wealthy player Local was smack free so well done BoB and GF all. Oh, Nez - **** off and find your own war to write about You risked a fleet of dreads, doing a single siege cycle, just for a laugh
Joram McRory Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Ab Initio You risked a fleet of dreads, doing a single siege cycle, just for a laugh I wouldn't have put it quite like that We thought we had a chance of knocking a few % off the shield. Who knows that might have been enough to make the difference later if the US TZ guys had another ***** at it? But come on, this is a game remember option a) sit at POS, option b) Log Off, Option c) Have a bit of fun. c) is always going to be the winner for me. Ok I got lucky, but had it been my dread gone pop - what is that? 2 weeks of mining to replace. As I said, it was a gamble. Joram My Photography site
Egil Kolsto	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:52:00 - [56] Edited by: Egil Kolsto on 10/11/2006 16:52:21 As somone completely on the outside of this war and amazed at the concept of a huge fleet battle, I wanted to say thanks for this write up, I really wish there was more reports of how the war goes along these lines. I understand the freedom to express your opinion and the power of the web to cut and paste and make things pretty abusive rather than informative is much easier, however, I for one would greatly appreciate stories like this over the general "Everyone go attack BoB" and "Cyvok is a liar posts." Thank you!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:21:00 - [57] Originally by: Joram McRory Originally by: Ab Initio You risked a fleet of dreads, doing a single siege cycle, just for a laugh I wouldn't have put it quite like that We thought we had a chance of knocking a few % off the shield. Who knows that might have been enough to make the difference later if the US TZ guys had another ***** at it? But come on, this is a game remember option a) sit at POS, option b) Log Off, Option c) Have a bit of fun. c) is always going to be the winner for me. Ok I got lucky, but had it been my dread gone pop - what is that? 2 weeks of mining to replace. As I said, it was a gamble. GG to you, Joram, option c all the way. I was quite annoyed that we missed the other 4 dreads, apparently our support were indeed lagged and couldn't activate their scrams. Either that or they just sucked at that moment. I'm going for them sucking, seeing as they seem to be berating me on here atm. fgts.
Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:39:00 - [58] Edited by: Ascend Alt on 10/11/2006 17:40:53 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Ascend Alt shrugs its a game mate, we have a laugh about it and have no pretences as to our god like abilities within it. Its a pity we cannot all achieve the awesome things within the game that Black Spot have, which is what exactly? Anyone can stay small and take potshots at others. .. doesn't seem like you are laughing much to me.. infact reading between the lines you are pretty ****ed off that I joked at ASCN's expense.... which is perfectly understandable.. but pls drop the "poor ASCN" argument. You are the biggest alliance in the game.. act like it. edit: the other bit was from another unrelated post. I can assure you we were laughing on TS (slighlty hysterically) at the sheer ridiculousness of what happened last night. As for acting like a large alliance, well we are, i.e. being a bit disorganized and containing a huge range of players of varying abilities and experience. Being big is not the same as being good, and away from the forums most people in ASCN are very aware of what our strength and weaknesses are. We are very good at some things (like building things) and not so good at others (like fleet pvp).
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Ascend Alt We are very good at some things (like building things) and not so good at others (like fleet pvp). May I ask you a question... you say you are good at building things and there is ample evidence of this in the number of outposts in ASCN space.... ... if you are no good at fleet pvp, how did you expect to defend the things you built from entities like BoB?
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:03:00 - [60] Edited by: DTee on 10/11/2006 18:08:41 Nez FYI Ascendant dont need to fight because their saviour is going to be Kali. Says CYVOK. I'm sorry Ascendant. You need to help yourself by taking a good look at your leadership. Host of The DT show - Thursdays 16:00 - 18:00 . Listen to BoB Radio now!



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