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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:20:33 -
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As I recall, there were a few ship classes left in tiericide, including logistics, tech 3 cruisers, black ops, and of course capital ships (I may be missing some classes). We've gone several releases now without any ship classes being adjusted for their strength, except for the recently-released Confessor and Svipul. Any updates on this? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:25:01 -
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Can there really be tiers in ship classes that only have 1 ship? /pedantry
That said I though B-ops were supposed to be getting a more significant balance pass beyond the initial small changes they got. Did I miss that happening? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:25:11 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:As I recall, there were a few ship classes left in tiericide, including logistics, HICs, strategic cruisers, black ops, and of course capital ships. We've gone several releases now without any ship classes being adjusted for their strength, except for the recently-released Confessor and Svipul. Any updates on this?
Do Logistics and Black Ops even have tiers?
Didn't they do a balance pass on T3 defensive subs not too long ago?
Didn't HICs get some love recently around the jump nerf time?
Don't you mean 'rebalance' vs 'tiercide'?
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
813
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:30:27 -
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Tiericide is just the overall name for the ship rebalancing project, isn't it?
I figured anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension would understand what I meant.
And ugh, you're right about the HICs and the defensive subs, although the HICs were last November, and the defensive subs were relatively minor.
Also, the Rorqual is still feeling quite neglected. |
Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners.
Strange Phenomenon
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:32:44 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Can there really be tiericide in ship classes that only have 1 ship? /pedantry
That said I though B-ops were supposed to be getting a more significant balance pass beyond the initial small changes they got. Did I miss that happening?
I don't think the devs know what to do for battleship hulls. They spent so much time buffing everything else, the T1 hulls are barely relevant and the B-Ops specialization just makes them rarer to fly. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:39:12 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:As I recall, there were a few ship classes left in tiericide, including logistics, HICs, strategic cruisers, black ops, and of course capital ships. We've gone several releases now without any ship classes being adjusted for their strength, except for the recently-released Confessor and Svipul. Any updates on this?
There isn't much to work on as all races somehow need to have a working ship of each of those class. Strategic cruisers are supposed to be down the line somewhere and caps were hinted to be reworked after FOZZISOV but I would not be too surprised if the other were kinda left as is.
For example, I don't predict CCP will end the infinite cap meta for logistics. At most they will make them tighter so people might not be able to run 5/1 on amarr and caldari. If they decide to change them, making the ship "work" from the beginning instead of pretty much requiring training to IV before any decently working fit can be used might be where could look too I guess.
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Also, the Rorqual is still feeling quite neglected.
Pretty sure this one is more a case of "WTF are we gonna do with that thing now?" |
Lilliana Stelles
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:41:12 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Can there really be tiericide in ship classes that only have 1 ship? /pedantry
That said I though B-ops were supposed to be getting a more significant balance pass beyond the initial small changes they got. Did I miss that happening? I don't think the devs know what to do for battleship hulls. They spent so much time buffing everything else, the T1 hulls are barely relevant and the B-Ops specialization just makes them rarer to fly.
Weren't the BS hulls rebalanced already (eg making the geddon a drone boat, etc)? I know that was part of tiericide but that also counted as a reball I thought.
Also the marauders already received their reball as well. So the only thing left is black ops.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:46:21 -
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Tiercide was pretty much limited to the ship classes that had tiers, i.e. the T1 subcap hulls. Outside of that, there aren't really any tiers to kill.
The ship skill part of tiercide affected the T2 roles, however, removing many pointless, illogical, or otherwise outdated prerequisite trees and making the whole ship progression more sensible. That didn't particularly affect the ships themselves, though. Beyond that, it's just the standard flow of on-going back and forth of ship rebalancing.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:47:45 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Can there really be tiericide in ship classes that only have 1 ship? /pedantry
That said I though B-ops were supposed to be getting a more significant balance pass beyond the initial small changes they got. Did I miss that happening? I don't think the devs know what to do for battleship hulls. They spent so much time buffing everything else, the T1 hulls are barely relevant and the B-Ops specialization just makes them rarer to fly. Weren't the BS hulls rebalanced already (eg making the geddon a drone boat, etc)? I know that was part of tiericide but that also counted as a reball I thought. Also the marauders already received their reball as well. So the only thing left is black ops.
You are correct. B-ops also received a light touch regarding their jump capabilities, I was just wondering where the rest of their rebalance went.
Regarding BSs as a whole, that's just a whole bag of reasons making their use circumstantial. |
Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners.
Strange Phenomenon
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:49:13 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Can there really be tiericide in ship classes that only have 1 ship? /pedantry
That said I though B-ops were supposed to be getting a more significant balance pass beyond the initial small changes they got. Did I miss that happening? I don't think the devs know what to do for battleship hulls. They spent so much time buffing everything else, the T1 hulls are barely relevant and the B-Ops specialization just makes them rarer to fly. Weren't the BS hulls rebalanced already (eg making the geddon a drone boat, etc)? I know that was part of tiericide but that also counted as a reball I thought. Also the marauders already received their reball as well. So the only thing left is black ops.
Oh they changed them, but the skill points and fits still work better on other hulls. Ask a player: "would they feel safer in a fleet of T3/HAC/BC or a fleet of T1 battleships?" |
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:53:09 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Tiericide is just the overall name for the ship rebalancing project, isn't it?
No, Tiericide is the name for removing meaningless Tier's from Modules and Ships. Making different Meta 1-4 have different pro's and cons, rather than meta4 always being better than those before it. Likewise is was about removing the same levels of T1 BS's.
Ship Teiricide is over, has been for a while. They are currently slowly working through module tiericide.
Now Balance passes, THAT'S what CCP was working on with ships. As far as I know that's still an inprogress. With most of the ships you've listed being on the Agenda.
T3's probably won't be balanced again, properly, till they are done re-writing the backend T3 Code. Orca's and Rorq's I think CCP just doesn't know what to do with yet. Blackops are still working.. As such most of these are low priority, while they focus on the new ships, the modules, and issues in more widely used ships with bigger issues.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.13 21:03:52 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:
Oh they changed them, but the skill points and fits still work better on other hulls. Ask a player: "would they feel safer in a fleet of T3/HAC/BC or a fleet of T1 battleships?"
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Ruby Actault
Ireco Industries
Zombie Pony Express
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Posted - 2015.05.13 21:22:05 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:As I recall, there were a few ship classes left in tiericide, including logistics, strategic cruisers, black ops, and of course capital ships. We've gone several releases now without any ship classes being adjusted for their strength, except for the recently-released Confessor and Svipul. Any updates on this?
The ship re-balancing was meant to bring lesser used (or all but forgotten about) ships up in power to make them more appealing...all of the ships classes that have yet to see a major balance pass are the top of the food chain, so it makes sense that they are being done last- if at all.
T3 Cruisers just received a blanket nerf, and it isn't clear if that the end of re-balancing for them or not- because they were what all of the sub-capital ship re-balances were being measured against...now CCP has to be careful that they don't nerf them too far down.
Capital ships are probably a bigger balance issue, many people feel like they don't even feel that well balanced vs. themselves...but, with the impending changes to SOV, CCP is probably waiting until they see a more clear picture of how they are going to function in the coming "Entosis Era" or "FozzySOV" as it's being called, before they get an official pass.
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