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Carl Stonewall
Dirty Old Bastards Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2015.05.14 22:55:02 -
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I think we were told about fozzi-sov about 3 months in advance right? 6??... Eve has pretty much been dead these 3 months.
Everywhere i look people are on break from eve "waiting for fozzi-sov to land".
People are playing other games "waiting for fozzi-sov to land"
Personally im not active, cause why would i commit to anything when im "waiting for fozzi-sov to land"
I evac my assets from 0.0. Nothing happens... no gate camps... nothing... why? people are "waiting for fozzi-sov to land".
So... this might sound like a strange proposal, but i think 3 months is too much dead-time. No one wants to commit to anything, when they know the whole universe is going to be turned upside down in the future. Im all for the changes but, i just think its too long to just go about doing nothing.
My proposal, however wierd and strange, is that CCP should not let us know so far in advance what they intent to do. I think maybe a month or 14 days is enough to get settled. The pay-off from knowing what is gonna happen in 3-6 months is simply too high... because eve is so dead these days.
Let me know what you think guys, should CCP shorten the "warning" when they plan something big in the future? I think its a serious issue, its bad for business. We all want EVE to succeed, but so many people havent got anyhting to do. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2404
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Posted - 2015.05.14 22:57:38 -
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How about no. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.05.14 22:59:54 -
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It would be much more interesting, but whiners gonna whine.
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Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
463
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:03:06 -
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If anyone still needs proof that CCP has truly changed their ways, here it is. Denizens of GD, this is the holy grail; the sacred cow; the most exalted thing you will ever see. A thread seriously asking for CCP to keep us LESS INFORMED. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1106
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:11:12 -
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Given that Fozzie-sov is still very much in development in terms of numbers and details, three months is the bare minimum. The alternative would have been that CCP announced their plans two weeks in advance with no room to change anything or to collect feedback on their plans. They would implement a new system that is broken and abused, and everyone would be pissed off.
Instead they have been involving the players almost every step of the way since it was announced and some very important changes were made since the original proposal. Even if that does come at the cost of some downtime across null-sec. Three months is nothing compared to the next 10 years this system should hopefully function.
Also I would like to contest your claim that everyone is sitting on their *ss. A quick look at the Sov map would show you that 'sh*t is in fact very much on fire, yo'. The south is one big battlefield right now and new names are popping up on the map all over the place. If your idea of nullsec right now is 'dead', you're in the wrong place.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21349
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:23:21 -
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CCP changes something.DAM U CCP!!! Y U CHANGE MAI GAEM??!?!!?!
CCP doesn't change anything.DAM U CCP!!! Y U NO CHAENG MAI GAEM!?!?!?1/!
CCP ignores problem completely.DAM U CCP!!!! Y U NO CARE ABOUT PLAYERZ FEEBAX?!//1!/!??!?!?!1!!?
CCP listens to the problem, and integrates changes based on feedback, and lets people know about those changes ahead of time in order to get more constructive feedback and make better changes in order to release a system that is fair and agreeable to all.DAM U CCP!!!! Y U RELEASE INFO SO ERRRLY!!!!!
CCP believes its butter. DAM U CCP!!! Y U NOT BELEIVE ITS NOT BUTTER?!??!?!?!!
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:42:08 -
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It is an idea, so this thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
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Carl Stonewall
Dirty Old Bastards Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:44:22 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Also I would like to contest your claim that everyone is sitting on their *ss. A quick look at the Sov map would show you that 'sh*t is in fact very much on fire, yo'. The south is one big battlefield right now and new names are popping up on the map all over the place. If your idea of nullsec right now is 'dead', you're in the wrong place.
Since your very busy extracting information from simply looking at the changing sov map, thinking that sov-map shows anything about activity in the regions. I have a proposal for you, take a alt account, board a shuttle - autopilot down south and check if your dead in 15 minutes, in the meantime, look at these dot lan figures for ships killed lately...
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Feythabolis#kills http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Immensea#kills http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Tenerifis#kills http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Detorid#kills http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Scalding_Pass#kills
The battlefield is real!
Listen you can disagree with the idea to have a shorter warning before patches, and your point about feedback is totally legit, but dont tell me 0.0 is even remotely active these days. Its just a fact that people are waiting for fozzi-sov. Its been boring for 3 months straight, maybe its worth-while, i dont know. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
817
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:45:56 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:It is an idea, so this thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. It's an idea that needs to be taken behind the shed and shot, then disfigured beyond recognition and dumped into a river that flows out to sea. |
Carl Stonewall
Dirty Old Bastards Nulli Secunda
4
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:01:38 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:It is an idea, so this thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. It's an idea that needs to be taken behind the shed and shot, then disfigured beyond recognition and dumped into a river that flows out to sea.
... Meanwhile, the rest of the CFC is playing H1Z1 waiting for fozzi-sov... |
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
706
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:06:31 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:If anyone still needs proof that CCP has truly changed their ways, here it is. Denizens of GD, this is the holy grail; the sacred cow; the most exalted thing you will ever see. A thread seriously asking for CCP to keep us LESS INFORMED. This post makes such a fine ridicule of OP I suddenly find myself wearing a monocle and sipping tea
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
595
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:30:30 -
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Carl Stonewall wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:It is an idea, so this thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. It's an idea that needs to be taken behind the shed and shot, then disfigured beyond recognition and dumped into a river that flows out to sea. ... Meanwhile, the rest of the CFC is playing H1Z1 waiting for fozzi-sov...
Check the number of supers lost this month. Totally nothing happening.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, ooooooooooooooooooooh, is that in preparation for FozzieSov, too? I get it, cheeky sneaky.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1108
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:40:05 -
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Carl Stonewall wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:It is an idea, so this thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. It's an idea that needs to be taken behind the shed and shot, then disfigured beyond recognition and dumped into a river that flows out to sea. ... Meanwhile, the rest of the CFC is playing H1Z1 waiting for fozzi-sov...
Actually CFC is playing H1Z1 because Mittens is being paid to get them to play. If not for that I'm sure they would have invaded some region somewhere just for ***** and giggles.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3369
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:42:36 -
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Carl Stonewall wrote:I think we were told about fozzi-sov about 3 months in advance right? 6??... Eve has pretty much been dead these 3 months.
Everywhere i look people are on break from eve "waiting for fozzi-sov to land".
People are playing other games "waiting for fozzi-sov to land"
Personally im not active, cause why would i commit to anything when im "waiting for fozzi-sov to land"
I evac my assets from 0.0. Nothing happens... no gate camps... nothing... why? people are "waiting for fozzi-sov to land".
So... this might sound like a strange proposal, but i think 3 months is too much dead-time. No one wants to commit to anything, when they know the whole universe is going to be turned upside down in the future. Im all for the changes but, i just think its too long to just go about doing nothing.
My proposal, however wierd and strange, is that CCP should not let us know so far in advance what they intent to do. I think maybe a month or 14 days is enough to get settled. The pay-off from knowing what is gonna happen in 3-6 months is simply too high... because eve is so dead these days.
Let me know what you think guys, should CCP shorten the "warning" when they plan something big in the future? I think its a serious issue, its bad for business. We all want EVE to succeed, but so many people havent got anyhting to do.
Do you not think that people should be given a useful amount of warning for a change so large to the core mechanics of an entire category of space?
Also, isn't it kind of ironic for former N3 people to be whining about a lack of a war after they rolled over and died thirty seconds after starting one? |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2015.05.15 01:34:42 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:It would be much more interesting, but whiners gonna whine.
Agreed
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45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2015.05.15 01:38:13 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:CCP changes something.DAM U CCP!!! Y U CHANGE MAI GAEM??!?!!?!
CCP doesn't change anything.DAM U CCP!!! Y U NO CHAENG MAI GAEM!?!?!?1/!
CCP ignores problem completely.DAM U CCP!!!! Y U NO CARE ABOUT PLAYERZ FEEBAX?!//1!/!??!?!?!1!!?
CCP listens to the problem, and integrates changes based on feedback, and lets people know about those changes ahead of time in order to get more constructive feedback and make better changes in order to release a system that is fair and agreeable to all.DAM U CCP!!!! Y U RELEASE INFO SO ERRRLY!!!!!
CCP believes its butter. DAM U CCP!!! Y U NOT BELEIVE ITS NOT BUTTER?!??!?!?!!
I approve of THE ABOVE QUOTE.
Keep them coming Unsuccessful At Everything doing great dude
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Grorious Reader
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2015.05.15 01:41:48 -
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How is "people are waiting for Fozzi-sov" different from "people are waiting for something to do"? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.05.15 02:01:06 -
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Grorious Reader wrote:How is "people are waiting for Fozzi-sov" different from "people are waiting for something to do"?
The former is slightly more specific.
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
2753
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Posted - 2015.05.15 02:14:42 -
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welp, might as well give up on communication with player base as now I am seeing complaints that there is such a thing as too soon. The only time an announcement is too soon is if it fails to ever arrive.
sheesh
The CSM fights for faster, sooner, more and then this dipstick checks his oil and finds that it is vinegar.
No. I think I will keep doing what I have been doing and let the ostrich find a nice patch of sand to stick his head into because IF he does not want to know about what is coming he can ignore the forums and announcements and let the surprises just roll on in.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
820
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Posted - 2015.05.15 02:27:55 -
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Carl Stonewall wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:It is an idea, so this thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. It's an idea that needs to be taken behind the shed and shot, then disfigured beyond recognition and dumped into a river that flows out to sea. ... Meanwhile, the rest of the CFC is playing H1Z1 waiting for fozzi-sov... I'd rather have that than be blind-sided by sweeping changes to sov that break the game completely and have to wait a few more years while CCP hems and haws and waits for statistics they'll no doubt misinterpret. |
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
634
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Posted - 2015.05.15 03:46:49 -
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OP, unless a bought char your time in eve should have you know its hitting summer slump now. Summer is usually slow. Sure it get the kiddies on school breaks for a little boost in some venues but the rank and file of the "blob" at this point also know its summer time (edit: for one hemisphere anyway...the one with more people in eve as well). Vacations, sun and out and shining to just get out in the day, you know, the whole many people like to get out once in while and summer an ideal time for it really.
Me...I can appreciate a nice model in a bikini pic on the internet. I find it better in rl like last week taking my boy to the beaches just opened by where I live. The beach gods favored me and some nice eye candy setting up near to where me and my son were at. Even better the wife was off for a day with her friends elsewhere, no evil eyes for the occasional glance overs lol. Old and married with kids, you get your thrills when you can lol
In short the blob doesn't do much in the summer historically. Not even close to 100% accountability like the winter months where players more captive (cold and snowy....may as well stay home lol).
That and ccp is well aware of the problems if they kept this quiet. With all the blob reps on CSM....it would have an unprecedented amount of removals since we would assume most would violate their NDA's In some way lol. CSM would see this hidden stuff on their trip to CCP or in stuff CCP gives them off the record to show them the inner stuff of CCP they sometimes do. This stuff I'd see NDA violation fast. As its that much a change they could not keep it quiet for long.
Umm...alliance bossman...don't do that. I can't say why...but don't do it. Fun thing with NDA's you can violate them not even saying what you aren't supposed to say. The subtle hint to not do something but no details as to why...in the grey area of NDA can be considered just as bad really. Blob doing a complete paradigm shift and one of tis members on the CSM, it be looking too coincidental. |
Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
1428
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Posted - 2015.05.15 06:18:28 -
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I certainly would not call it dead EVE. However, I also believe that shorter notice on upcoming changes would be more beneficial. There's really new information, activities and assets to explore on day 1 after the patch and you have to develop new strategies live while you play, and cannot do so weeks or months in advance. Would lead to more chaos, more mistakes, more curiousity (due to press coverage of unavoidable screw ups) and more grand successes, as well as more intensity and focus on evaluating and understanding the changes in a shorter time frame.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1691
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Posted - 2015.05.15 06:34:03 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:It is an idea, so this thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. Are you sure? Your idea senor might need some tuning...
As for the OP. No.
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.05.15 10:44:56 -
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This "game" needs a kick in the undies after 6years of unfettered proliferation (blues, so many blues!)
The game needs a sov overhaul and soon after this rewrite, it will need another iteration to calibrate.
Can't wait to hear / read about some pasty skinned kid who spent three months theory crafting optimal ways to abuse the new proposed system, only for fozziesov 1.1 to flip all assertions on their heads a week later.
Next thing for you to start thinking about "standings". Free things are bad. Imagine if ammo was free and infinite. There's a level of richness lost by keeping things free.
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Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1458
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Posted - 2015.05.15 10:44:56 -
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This "game" needs a kick in the undies after 6years of unfettered proliferation (blues, so many blues!)
The game needs a sov overhaul and soon after this rewrite, it will need another iteration to calibrate.
Can't wait to hear / read about some pasty skinned kid who spent three months theory crafting optimal ways to abuse the new proposed system, only for fozziesov 1.1 to flip all assertions on their heads a week later.
Next thing for you to start thinking about "standings". Free things are bad. Imagine if ammo was free and infinite. There's a level of richness lost by keeping things free.
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Dustpuppy
New Eden Ferengi
113
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Posted - 2015.05.15 11:43:37 -
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Carl Stonewall wrote:
... Meanwhile, the rest of the CFC is playing H1Z1 waiting for fozzi-sov...
I would rather say you play another game to avoid the risk of down voting a post made by your Emperor, his majesty Mittandi. I heard you are blacklisted if you mention something negative about him. |
Janeway84
Def Squadron Pride Before Fall
165
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Posted - 2015.05.15 12:32:24 -
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How about do some exploration or try something new, explore new ships and fits? |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
269
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Posted - 2015.05.15 13:13:44 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:welp, might as well give up on communication with player base as now I am seeing complaints that there is such a thing as too soon. The only time an announcement is too soon is if it fails to ever arrive.
sheesh
The CSM fights for faster, sooner, more and then this dipstick checks his oil and finds that it is vinegar.
No. I think I will keep doing what I have been doing and let the ostrich find a nice patch of sand to stick his head into because IF he does not want to know about what is coming he can ignore the forums and announcements and let the surprises just roll on in.
m This ^^^^
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
784
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Posted - 2015.05.15 15:19:51 -
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OP do you seriously want to take two steps back when we have finally taken a step forward on this issue?
Better get these things out there early where they can be examined, critiqued and the implications considered and then have reasoned, sensible (well some of it) feedback given rather than have a fait accompli delivered out of the blue resulting in riots in Jita and mass unsubs in protest.
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Iain Cariaba
1353
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Posted - 2015.05.15 18:05:01 -
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Why does CCP announce big changes well ahead of time? Two words: freighter rigs.
Thanks to CCP releasing their plans in advance, the players were allowed to give their input and prevent this travesty.
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