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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.05.16 13:35:24 -
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(Media source: https://www.themittani.com/news/ccp-goes-dark-company-financials)
As I already pointed in a couple of threads, CCP bought back the publicly traded bonds they had issued in 2012, and with that, they no longer have public stocks and are no longer obliged to release their financial informaiton. That has been followed by quickly removing that information from their website.
I used to think that those bonds were in the line of some 4.5 million $, but it turns they actually were 20 million $.
CCP Falcon already stated to TMC that there's nothing shady in it, CCP is no longer bound to publish that information and so they've decided to withhold it.
As subscription numbers.
As EVE economy reports.
As the little fact that "EVE Legion" and associated trademarks are exctinct in the USA, where they were registered.
Now everybody may start speculating, but I wan to point out somehting (already an old claim of mine): May 2015 is the latest date in which Oculus Rift can be greenlighted for production in order to be released for Xmas season. And without the Rift being sold massively, Valkyrie would become just a backburner project rather than a (potenital) rainfall of $ for CCP.
So...
...is the Rift going to be relased and make CCP rich, so they've cut their debt to cash in later? ...is the Rift being postponed and CCP will need to beat it until 2016 without that income?
Share your speculation!
I guess that this thread will either be locked before anyone posts or will be left to run for chuckles at CCP, but in the meanwhile...
EVE is not alive enough.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Vivien Meally
Des-Meisters-Lakaien Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2015.05.16 13:39:35 -
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eve is dying |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2015.05.16 13:50:54 -
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On the plus side, CCP is healthy enough to have 20 million to buy its bonds back? Either they had it in cash, or some bank thinks they're credit worthy enough for a loan?
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Dirk Magnum
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
443
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Posted - 2015.05.16 13:50:55 -
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I want to post in this thread just so I can say I did.
(CCP is the Icelandic Mafia #TruthIsOutThere)
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
184
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Posted - 2015.05.16 13:52:01 -
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Vivien Meally wrote:eve is dying
So it can rise from the ashes like a Phoenix! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.05.16 13:55:51 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Anyone who says media source and TMC in the same sentence needs to rethink their worldview.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Dirk Magnum
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
443
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:04:01 -
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Goons won Eve and 20 million was the prize. See you bitches in Cancun (I run drugs there because Mittens kept all the prize money.)
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:09:39 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:Goons won Eve and 20 million was the prize. See you bitches in Cancun (I run drugs there because Mittens kept all the prize money.) Discussing real world politics and religion on the forums is against the ToS...
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1112
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:14:27 -
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It's good news. Nothing good has EVER come from a game developer with public stocks. They all either get bought up and have their IP's ruined, or the games get shut down completely. The stocks were likely a remnant of the bad times CCP had a few years ago and may have been the only thing keeping the company afloat in that time. Now they saw a chance to regain control and took it. It's a wise business decision. CCP can do much greater and riskier things without a horde of investors breathing over their shoulders.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3931
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:23:45 -
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Possibile simple explanation:
. They found cheaper debt because low interest rates and/or better financial solidity . They repaid the bonds with the new debt . They removed financials because no company publishes them if they don't have to
Make space glamorous!
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3541
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:28:55 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:It's good news. Nothing good has EVER come from a game developer with public stocks. They all either get bought up and have their IP's ruined, or the games get shut down completely. The stocks were likely a remnant of the bad times CCP had a few years ago and may have been the only thing keeping the company afloat in that time. Now they saw a chance to regain control and took it. It's a wise business decision. CCP can do much greater and riskier things without a horde of investors breathing over their shoulders.
Huh... bonds are akin to loans. They give no voice to the holder.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4585
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:35:03 -
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This thread has been moved to Out of Pod Experience.
ISD Ezwal
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Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
3326
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:42:50 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Huh... bonds are akin to loans. They give no voice to the holder.
Please tell this to my Business Account Manager lol
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8514
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:50:35 -
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Hiding things does not sound good at all.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8514
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Posted - 2015.05.16 14:53:03 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Possibile simple explanation:
. They found cheaper debt because low interest rates and/or better financial solidity . They repaid the bonds with the new debt . They removed financials because no company publishes them if they don't have to
Well, so why they did not said that?
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3936
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Posted - 2015.05.16 16:13:34 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Possibile simple explanation:
. They found cheaper debt because low interest rates and/or better financial solidity . They repaid the bonds with the new debt . They removed financials because no company publishes them if they don't have to Well, so why they did not said that? Huh?
That's exactly what they said:
Mr. Stefansson wrote:CCP hf. kt. 450697-3469 hefur +íkve+¦i+¦ a+¦ n++ta s+¬r r+¬tt til innk+¦llunar +í +¦llum skuldabr+¬fum +¡ flokki CCP 12 1; ISIN: IS0000021962 Innk+¦llunin tekur gildi ++ann 27. mars 2015. CCP hf. grei+¦ir skuldina +¡ samr+ªmi vi+¦ skilm+íla skuldabr+¬faflokksins. Samkv+ªmt skilm+ílum skuldabr+¬faflokksins hafa skuldabr+¬faeigendur 30 daga fr+í tilkynningu um innk+¦llun til a+¦ tilkynna CCP hf. hvort ++eir n++ti s+¬r breytir+¬tt skuldabr+¬faflokksins. V+¡sa+¦ er a+¦ +¦+¦ru leyti til skilm+íla skuldabr+¬faflokksins. Skuldabr+¬fin eru skr+í+¦ +¡ Nasdaq OMX Iceland hf. og ver+¦ur +¦ska+¦ eftir afskr+íningu ++eirra a+¦ lokinni innk+¦llun. Frekar uppl++singar veitir: Sigur+¦ur Stef+ínsson, fj+írm+ílastj+¦ri CCP hf Netfang: [email protected]
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16380
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Posted - 2015.05.16 17:11:07 -
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I'm sure the 3.5m per year these bonds were costing didn't factor into this decision at all.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1016
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Posted - 2015.05.16 17:32:58 -
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Typically, when an insider buys back ANY stock, it's a good sign. And if someone actually buys back ALL the stock, it's imo, a very good sign.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16380
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Posted - 2015.05.16 17:40:34 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Typically, when an insider buys back ANY stock, it's a good sign. And if someone actually buys back ALL the stock, it's imo, a very good sign.
No you see paying off a loan is a sure sign that a company is dying.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8515
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Posted - 2015.05.16 17:41:45 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Possibile simple explanation:
. They found cheaper debt because low interest rates and/or better financial solidity . They repaid the bonds with the new debt . They removed financials because no company publishes them if they don't have to Well, so why they did not said that? Huh? That's exactly what they said: Mr. Stefansson wrote:CCP hf. kt. 450697-3469 hefur +íkve+¦i+¦ a+¦ n++ta s+¬r r+¬tt til innk+¦llunar +í +¦llum skuldabr+¬fum +¡ flokki CCP 12 1; ISIN: IS0000021962 Innk+¦llunin tekur gildi ++ann 27. mars 2015. CCP hf. grei+¦ir skuldina +¡ samr+ªmi vi+¦ skilm+íla skuldabr+¬faflokksins. Samkv+ªmt skilm+ílum skuldabr+¬faflokksins hafa skuldabr+¬faeigendur 30 daga fr+í tilkynningu um innk+¦llun til a+¦ tilkynna CCP hf. hvort ++eir n++ti s+¬r breytir+¬tt skuldabr+¬faflokksins. V+¡sa+¦ er a+¦ +¦+¦ru leyti til skilm+íla skuldabr+¬faflokksins. Skuldabr+¬fin eru skr+í+¦ +¡ Nasdaq OMX Iceland hf. og ver+¦ur +¦ska+¦ eftir afskr+íningu ++eirra a+¦ lokinni innk+¦llun. Frekar uppl++singar veitir: Sigur+¦ur Stef+ínsson, fj+írm+ílastj+¦ri CCP hf Netfang: [email protected] Oh yes, and this is about this cheaper debt? I see only information about buying out the bonds. But I suppose only fool would take debt that would make it harder to repay in future.
Nonetheless, it doesnt look good for EVE players because we know less about state of the company. Investing money in the game we play, by subscribing to it. What if they are doing it, because they don't want us to know the truth. Can't now exclude that, can you? Because you don't know.
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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
277
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Posted - 2015.05.16 17:53:40 -
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It is clear to me that CCP have to have some finance issues. Dust 514 was released two years ago and it is subscription fee free game. This means there should be large microtransaction system for Dust 514. Has anyone heard NES store for Dust 514? Now there is also Valkyrie project coming in and it is still not bringing money in. It just eats away money now. World of Darkness ended in disaster and created huge money loss. Project legion is planned also.
Sure just say everything is fine. I don't believe it.
Now when this money issue came up there were something strange in EVE fanfest money figures. They were released in fanfest and my first thought was that there's zero missing from those figures. They weren't even nearly right size.
Amount of money coming from fanfest: Amount of fanfest attendees x average amount of money they use for CCP services.
Profit is then completely different thing. There are expenses like salaries, taxes, rents and so on.
I still believe in EVE. With right development it could be so much more than it is now. There should be more possibilities for solo work and more possibilities for small corporations and PVP should aim to have more small and medium size fights. Large fights are hard since system has problem of handling them.
Mikhem
Link library to EVE music songs.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:17:37 -
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WoD was written off several years ago Dust 514 is making CCP money. We have no idea what is happening with 'Legion'. Note, they may have decided to release under a different name so that anyone googling it won't get the Rage threads over Legion from the Fanfest release. Or it may not have even been given a green light at all. They were way early releasing any information about it at all. So.... All we know is they have two games making them money, and that they are developing a third.... sounds healthy to me. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3938
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Posted - 2015.05.16 21:56:41 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Nonetheless, it doesnt look good for EVE players because we know less about state of the company. Investing money in the game we play, by subscribing to it. What if they are doing it, because they don't want us to know the truth. Can't now exclude that, can you? Because you don't know. Internet friend, if I was actually investing money in CCP I'd ask a couple of questions.
But I'm not, I pay 45 euros and get back 30 days of joyful playing and shitposting on 3 accounts, I expect no further return on my cash.
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Robby Altair
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Posted - 2015.05.16 22:12:39 -
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Congratulation to CCP Games coming through their first year after restructuring. Good Job.
Related link: Layoffs hit Eve Online studio CCP
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1096
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Posted - 2015.05.16 22:38:59 -
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Some people are just desperate to see CCP fall; its most noticible amoungst advocates of features and gameplay styles that either were never realised, or got severely nerfed/reduced. Its because they have long ago stopped getting joy from the game, and dearly want EvE to collapse, so they can point to their lost feature and say "see, I told you all along not finishing this would destroy the game, vindication!"
You see this in every game that has lived long enough to see changes, or to not make changes people cried out for. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
131
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Posted - 2015.05.17 05:45:24 -
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Its because they arent sticking to what they were good at; developing story and content for EvE.
Tidying it up and crushing bugs. Etc.
Marketing EvE in new venues to pull in more numbers.
The bad thing to do is to try to worry about retaining players. You need to let players come and go as they please, because there will always be more coming in and more leaving.
The blue donut is a thing because the players decided to make the game in nullsec boring for themselves rather than risk losing it all and getting beaten back to highsec. You can't fix people being intelligent enough to figure out how to negotiated peace treaties to protect their virtual valuables. Let them get bored and go, because its their own fault.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
278
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Posted - 2015.05.17 10:05:13 -
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It seems that EVE store has been offline over month and half now. Another good example of taking care of business. I would expect to see notification in advance if service planned to be closed. Now people needed to find on their own that EVE store is closed. Weird! EVE store is store that sells physical goodies. It is not NES store that sells virtual goods.
Relevant links: EVE online store FYI Musterbrand EVE sale! Real Life EvE Apparels, where to get?!
edit: Added explanation about what is EVE store and EVE store link.
Mikhem
Link library to EVE music songs.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8526
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Posted - 2015.05.17 20:10:47 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Some people are just desperate to see CCP fall; its most noticible amoungst advocates of features and gameplay styles that either were never realised, or got severely nerfed/reduced. Its because they have long ago stopped getting joy from the game, and dearly want EvE to collapse, so they can point to their lost feature and say "see, I told you all along not finishing this would destroy the game, vindication!"
You see this in every game that has lived long enough to see changes, or to not make changes people cried out for. Oh, and why would I subscribe for next two years? Because I did. If you would see my other posts, its all about making this game better, and you can't do that without shaking CCP sometimes. Amount of shaking should always come proportional to the CCP turtling up.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.05.18 11:52:39 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:Goons won Eve and ... The 80% in High Sec, "What are Goons?"
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3550
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Posted - 2015.05.18 13:42:04 -
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Wel, the ball bounced up an down, and now there's a whole story with plenty of details and some interesting speculation, courtesy of Nosy Gamer:
http://nosygamer.blogspot.com.es/2015/05/bond-geddon-what-we-know.html
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11043
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Posted - 2015.05.18 14:35:40 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
The TL;DR of that is "EVE itself is doing fine, it was CCPs attempt to venture out into the land of the 'others' (people who wanted vampires, and walking around stuff, and instant gratification shooting games ie non-EVe type players) that caused the problems, CCP should probably stick to what it knows how to do (EVE Online, a PvP focused sandbox MMO), and mainly ignore all the people who suggest that CCP should change the focus of EVE because it's that focus that is working right now".
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8526
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Posted - 2015.05.18 16:16:14 -
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Quote:Must suck when reality puts a bullet through your worldview, huh?
Is that the bullet you are reffering to?
Venture into the land of others?I have seen only CCP's managerial nightmare, courtesy of the guy who worked there. Inexperienced people working as managers. Its straight way to fail, wherever you want to venture.
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1019
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Posted - 2015.05.18 16:55:52 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: The TL;DR of that is "EVE itself is doing fine, it was CCPs attempt to venture out into the land of the 'others' (people who wanted vampires, and walking around stuff, and instant gratification shooting games ie non-EVe type players) that caused the problems, CCP should probably stick to what it knows how to do (EVE Online, a PvP focused sandbox MMO), and mainly ignore all the people who suggest that CCP should change the focus of EVE because it's that focus that is working right now". Must suck when reality puts a bullet through your worldview, huh?
All good companies need to look to the future. It's the same reason why music producers look for new boy bands, Car makers introduce new body styles, oil companies search for new oil fields. Even when the barn is full of produce, a farmer has to plant seeds for next year.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2062
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Posted - 2015.05.18 18:12:11 -
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I don;t think venturing into other ralemes is a bad thing. EVE can not be your only product, if you wan tto succesed, but you have to know your limits. WoD could of been great, but they put too much focus on the wrong things, and it causes issues.
Dust would of been fine had CCP not promised this grandious vision and gave us 'meh'
Valk seems ot have learned form this, there is no 'this will be linked to eve' so if valk fails it won;t really hurt eve, and if it successed it could do alot of good in the future. CCP should really pull back form consoles and focus on the pc.
IMO the vision showne at FF'14 EVE, Valk and Legion all on pc, all lnked, all playing together, should be the goal. That would make eve comeptitive if they really want to try and complete with SC. Otherwise no link just different games. Warcraft 3 has no link to wow. So valk can just be a game base din New Eden but stand alone. As can dust.
Or they could eventualy combine and make a kick ass scifi sim. but meh.
anyway i am honestly not worried about ccp's finances, the last report we saw, said they were down only 200k total. Which really is not bad. Dust is profitable, eve seems stable, not quite free falling, but not growng really fast (if you go by long in numbers) so there is room to improve. but i'm paid on 4 accounts for a year so i believe eve will still be here.
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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
278
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Posted - 2015.05.18 22:23:00 -
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There was grocery store closed for major reworking few years back where I live. In advance grocery store had note on wall telling about coming temporary closure of grocery store and there was estimated day when it was suppose to reopen again. Grocery store opened that day and major reworking took whole two and half week.
Now compare this story to closure of EVE store and start laughing. I start crying since I want to see CCP handle its finances responsible way. EVE future vision becomes very blurred if financial situation is very uncertain. I think current future vision is very good for EVE. Taking care of finances just suck big time. If CCP is sold we start seeing something like ponies in space or something.
Mikhem
Link library to EVE music songs.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2062
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Posted - 2015.05.18 23:52:26 -
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Mikhem wrote:There was grocery store closed for major reworking few years back where I live. In advance grocery store had note on wall telling about coming temporary closure of grocery store and there was estimated day when it was suppose to reopen again. Grocery store opened that day and major reworking took whole two and half week.
Now compare this story to closure of EVE store and start laughing. I start crying since I want to see CCP handle its finances responsible way. EVE future vision becomes very blurred if financial situation is very uncertain. I think current future vision is very good for EVE. Taking care of finances just suck big time. If CCP is sold we start seeing something like ponies in space or something.
Your anology however is flawed.
This would be more appropriate:
Owner of the building that said store is in lost his contract with big food comapny a. Big food company a, which stocksl the shelves of his store was not making enough enough money, or just decided they did not want to stock that store anymore.
Building owner will now have to scramble to try to find a new big food company b to stock his selves. He ill have to negotiate a new contract, figure out what proudct to carry, dicuss his profit vs theres, and then redesign the entire store and signage as well as file for new copy writes and slogans that are not affiliated with food store a. this will not take a week.
CCP's working relationship with Musterbrand appears to be finished. CCP needs to find another company to do the clothes, design new clothing items, design a new website, formalize said items, and then put website up. This is not a simple change of inventory.
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Arkady Vachon
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1393
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Posted - 2015.05.19 06:03:04 -
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Hopefully whatever outfit replaces Musterbrand does not have as hideously high prices as they did, lol.
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content
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Hrothgar Nilsson
484
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Posted - 2015.05.19 07:29:57 -
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DaReaper wrote:Or they could eventualy combine and make a kick ass scifi sim. but meh. Would not be a bad idea if they could eventually integrate DUST into the EVE client. For those who choose to opt-in manually, or during the installation process. It's on a dead console and I can't imagine why Sony would put up any roadblocks, unless they want to be wieners.
I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3205
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Posted - 2015.05.19 12:09:31 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Oh yes, and this is about this cheaper debt? I see only information about buying out the bonds. But I suppose only fool would take debt that would make it harder to repay in future. Nonetheless, it doesnt look good for EVE players because we know less about state of the company. Investing money in the game we play, by subscribing to it. What if they are doing it, because they don't want us to know the truth. Can't now exclude that, can you? Because you don't know.
But is not the current game play, 'open' discussion about future plans, seeing things getting bettter than worse, the only signs you really need. Even if CCP was failing financially but the game was still fun would you not still keep playing? Or would you stop playing the game, even if it is your most fun point in the games history, knowing that it may sink within the year?
EDIT: fail quote fix, it has been awhile since posting on EvE-O |
DaReaper
Net 7
2066
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Posted - 2015.05.19 16:13:35 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Oh yes, and this is about this cheaper debt? I see only information about buying out the bonds. But I suppose only fool would take debt that would make it harder to repay in future. Nonetheless, it doesnt look good for EVE players because we know less about state of the company. Investing money in the game we play, by subscribing to it. What if they are doing it, because they don't want us to know the truth. Can't now exclude that, can you? Because you don't know. But is not the current game play, 'open' discussion about future plans, seeing things getting bettter than worse, the only signs you really need. Even if CCP was failing financially but the game was still fun would you not still keep playing? Or would you stop playing the game, even if it is your most fun point in the games history, knowing that it may sink within the year? EDIT: fail quote fix, it has been awhile since posting on EvE-O
In theory, if ccp was fialing, but was still making eve more fun, then they would stop there free fall and pull out. Because if i am havign the most fun i have had in eve, you cna damn sure bet i'll bat phone old eve buddies and go 'guys you have to come back and try it again!'
which reminds me...
CCP WE NEED THE BLOODY RECALL PROGRAM BACK. thanks.
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Dersen Lowery
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Posted - 2015.05.19 16:46:11 -
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I'm with Malcanis here: the bonds were for $20M at 7% interest, taken out in the immediate wake of the Incarna failure. 7% is almost punitive, and interest rates are at a low ebb. Not retiring that debt--whether by cash payment or more favorable financing--would be more of a sign of trouble.
This looks to me like CCP ridding its of an expensive exigency. And, just because I like tweaking Jenn, I'll add that this is coming from someone who wants CCP to venture into the land of the 'others'. I just hope they do much better on execution next time, and it looks like execution is much less of a problem for them these days.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.05.19 17:15:33 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:I just hope they do much better on execution next time, and it looks like execution is much less of a problem for them these days.
Probably the guy who liked to explain things as "PSHHHH" have gone mute and is only seen forwarding mails from the rest of the company to the dev tem, and back.
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Bagrat Skalski
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Posted - 2015.05.19 19:40:31 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Oh yes, and this is about this cheaper debt? I see only information about buying out the bonds. But I suppose only fool would take debt that would make it harder to repay in future. Nonetheless, it doesnt look good for EVE players because we know less about state of the company. Investing money in the game we play, by subscribing to it. What if they are doing it, because they don't want us to know the truth. Can't now exclude that, can you? Because you don't know. But is not the current game play, 'open' discussion about future plans, seeing things getting bettter than worse, the only signs you really need. Even if CCP was failing financially but the game was still fun would you not still keep playing? Or would you stop playing the game, even if it is your most fun point in the games history, knowing that it may sink within the year? EDIT: fail quote fix, it has been awhile since posting on EvE-O I will start with current playerbase.
The game is fun, but can't be played forever with the same set of rules, because it becames less fun, lacks novelty. CCP tries to hold current people with the game, changing the rules constantly. Trying to rebuild some things, as with new map. Some older players that likes old map don't like that. For them its breaking not upgrading. Considering the time CCP takes to make anything, they could resign and wait until new features are worked on, to subscribe again to a better game. Same could start with sovereignty updates.
Diversity results in ubiquity. Diversifying acquires attention of new customer base.
The new players are scarcer because of other games that have been really huge on budget and lure into them all kind of people, casuals and hardcore players, they are big on playstyles, that is why SC had so much financing. If CCP would like EVE to became a competitor for getting new player they would need to develop new gameplay styles, WIS module with avatar gameplay, but structured with procedural generation and player created assets and gamepley, roleplay, to give people correct implementation of corp skins.
That is how EVE worked for many players before. You could have different playstyles and could switch them. The promise of WIS lured many new players. but they resigned in large part because of WIS not becoming a thing they have seen on former fanfests. and have not been hooked on the EVE features and playstyles. Some of the older players resigned because they feared CCP started to forget completely "spaceships" EVE.
Writing that I am sure, that WIS will not happen, as for corp skins, there is a very minimal chance someone will be so bold to make it a feature, even when thay could take AUR for that service. But WIS will not became a thing, not because "DANCING? NOT IN MY EVE" people. Its CCP decision based on quality of management, human resources and financial resources, and all of those can be "insufficient" while working on Valkyrie.
Future is not what it used to be.
People tend to stick to a more populated games in MMO. More people - more friends - more incentives to spend more time in the game, to hunt, or to talk in chat, or to see people buying your stuff. If the numbers are falling, so are the subscriptions, so is the game revenue. That can cast fear into players that like the game and are afraid of its future, also into company that makes overwhelming part of their money on selling one game.
One of the most underestimated incentives is longevity of the game, so you could develop your avatar for next 3 or 4 years and they unsub and even resub after 10 years to see what has changed. Game can be affected by financial unstability of company that makes the game. If there is no clear message about finances, then people wear tinfoil and expect the worst, some can lose incentive to develop characters in game, or invest more time and money into other game.
Future can be better, can be worse. Turrmoil in finances can be part of the healing factor, can be fight for better future. But it must be announced, not hidden, because hiding it makes people unsure about company incentives.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.05.19 19:56:08 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:(...)
Future is not what it used to be.
(...)
Exactly my feelings about EVE since 2011. Is EVE different? Certainly. Better? Maybe. Haves a brighter future? Sorry, but no.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Bagrat Skalski
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Posted - 2015.05.19 20:40:05 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:(...)
Future is not what it used to be.
(...) Exactly my feelings about EVE since 2011. Is EVE different? Certainly. Better? Maybe. Haves a brighter future? Sorry, but no.
One is sure, it is constant struggle, from beginning to the end, and there are ups and downs. I would like to see it somewhat brighter in future, even if it must involve dancing and emoting like that.
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DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.05.19 23:45:07 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:(...)
Future is not what it used to be.
(...) Exactly my feelings about EVE since 2011. Is EVE different? Certainly. Better? Maybe. Haves a brighter future? Sorry, but no.
not sure what fires you are looking into, but the lord of light says eve could have a bright future. The vision from FF14 should be the direction ccp goes. But we will see. I'm just enjoying my game
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