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kessah
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 18:42:00 -
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Dumus if you were in fact honest in our discussion the other day in a private convo. You would have taken my advice in this matter and left it be.
Your a good bloke and what you, verone and hussman issues were i believe it would have been best if you left it off the public forums.
Ive been messed with before reguardless if what you say was true or not - I never got revenge on loads of people and i probably never will, not that it bothers me tbh as rarly do you within eve.
Count your chips and move on mate - plenty of people will hire you and you can bet that in afew weeks you'll be fine and dandy again. Would reccomend you to any corp mate.
Please except my condolences and hope you will recover swiftly. -------------------------------------------------------- Forever Pirate 2
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Kyozoku
Loot
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Posted - 2006.11.12 19:28:00 -
[32]
"verone is weak sauce"
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Yblarbo Janks
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 02:38:00 -
[33]
Janks does not like to put dirty laundry out for all to see, mainly because of those hard to get out spots... but that is speaking literally.
Janks has slipped his boxers to you privately.
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T'Renn
Vale Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.13 03:10:00 -
[34]
This is sad to see on the eve-online forums. I wish only the best for Dumus and for Veto.. Domestic troubles are tough - especially in an environment like this. Both parties have demonstrated a high level of class in dealing with this. Dumus in admitting his part in the dispute and Verone and hUssman in responding in a civil manner. Even if fences can't be fully mended, I'm hoping "at the end of the day" you guys will see your way clear to at least remaining cordial and friendly to each other. -- If by some chance I managed to kill you, I can assure you it was purely luck. |
Rico Naginata
Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 08:45:00 -
[35]
What a mess.
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
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Lanfear's Bane
Shih Yang Tong Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:40:00 -
[36]
Can someone who read this summarise it? I am not reading all that.
Or just tell me about that PC part that seems amusing.
Lanfear's Bane. _ _ _
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tiller
Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 13/11/2006 10:11:09
Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Can someone who read this summarise it? I am not reading all that.
Or just tell me about that PC part that seems amusing.
Lanfear's Bane.
Here ya go m8....
A PC CEO hired VETO to kill PC but VETO got ganked so a VETO member got blamed for tipping PC off about the operation so got kicked. I think.....
Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage |
Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: hUssmann I'm not going to whinge and flame, as it's not for the public forums, the same as these posts weren't.
Verone sums it up about what really happened and i'd like to remind the EVE community about the honest work Verone has done.
- Rattlesnake on escrow for 0.0 isk - Returned to the owner for free - 25m ISK to starter corp that was robbed of 5m ISK
And countless other selfless good deeds, it's not Verone's style and it's sad that it's come to the public forums.
I'd like to throw in a fairly (not completely ) impartial opinion.
Verone is all about image - the image that he is an honorable pirate, and because he and Veto are honorable, they can be trusted to pay isk to (which is generally correct). If anything were to compromise that, such as this event, people might start to doubt you and isk flow would be at risk on some level.
When the Rattlesnake "oops" occured, rather than contacting the escrower directly, it popped up in General Discussion and got Verone points from a lot of the community, including me at the time. When EON was looking for someone to write the article on piracy, they chose to come to Verone. Name the poster-child of belt piracy, and bingo, you got Mr. Pink-Hair himself...the recent Kassinigen (or however you spell it) event that occured, guess who just happened to conviently show up and blow up the convoy? Whatever occurs, it seems to me that its the goal of Veto's CEO to ensure the corp's (and specifically his) name is in the headlines.
Myself and Tharsis have had numerous dealings with Veto members, which have all been good; but, when Verone's gotten involved, events such as a ransoming of his corp's Zealot never occured, and have been swept under the rug to preserve a facade to the community...I'm now thoroughly convinced that he is nothing but an egoist out to make a name for himself that will last as long as the game is online.
My 2 isk. Respect to the members that apparently have the stamina to put up with him.
"Titans were never meant to be cost-effective, they're a huge ****" - Oveur |
Lanfear's Bane
Shih Yang Tong Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:33:00 -
[39]
Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 13/11/2006 10:11:09
Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Can someone who read this summarise it? I am not reading all that.
Or just tell me about that PC part that seems amusing.
Lanfear's Bane.
Here ya go m8....
A PC CEO hired VETO to kill PC but VETO got ganked so a VETO member got blamed for tipping PC off about the operation so got kicked. I think.....
Did it occur to anyone that this was maybe what the intended outcome of the hiring without anyone tipping anyone off?
No better way to bring someone to where you want them to than let them think they are getting paid.
Lanfear's Bane. _ _ _
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:59:00 -
[40]
Edited by: hUssmann on 13/11/2006 12:01:32
Originally by: Lanfear's Bane
No better way to bring someone to where you want them to than let them think they are getting paid.
We got paid.
Phoenix Lonestar > Server lag was non-existant pre-Dragon |
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Lanfear's Bane
Shih Yang Tong Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: hUssmann Edited by: hUssmann on 13/11/2006 12:01:32
Originally by: Lanfear's Bane
No better way to bring someone to where you want them to than let them think they are getting paid.
We got paid.
Hmm. Strange case this. Anyone have a number for the Hardy Boys?
Actually how come Veto let me fly through the other night in Devoid with about 12 of you on the gate? My heart dropped at the damage I was about to have inflicted on my wallet.
Lanfear's Bane. _ _ _
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Can someone who read this summarise it? I am not reading all that.
Or just tell me about that PC part that seems amusing.
Lanfear's Bane.
veto went merc, war decd PC, some veto died, dumus acused of being a spy, he threw multiple hissy fits, got kicked out and none of his stuff he donated given back
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 13/11/2006 10:11:09
Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Can someone who read this summarise it? I am not reading all that.
Or just tell me about that PC part that seems amusing.
Lanfear's Bane.
Here ya go m8....
A PC CEO hired VETO to kill PC but VETO got ganked so a VETO member got blamed for tipping PC off about the operation so got kicked. I think.....
Almost.
A PC CEO hired Veto to Kill PC and forwarded us the first week of the contract's ISK. One of our members lost a battleship in what seemed to him like and his wingman to be an organised and planned ambush.
I contacted client, he said they knew we were coming as someone in Veto had told them. I started looking for a leak, member got ****ed because I'd removed most corp members roles. Started making personal attacks on people and being unpleasent.
PC client forwarded me 2nd week of ISK in advance to keep his name quiet, and cancelled contract.
Veto lost dominix, Client randomly lost 10 figure bank balance to remain anonymous even though he would of anyways. Veto member got booted, threatened me IRL out of game and was petitioned. Got annoyed, spouted mouth off on the forums. I replied, here we are.
It's a mini Adventure. (Don't sue me BMW)
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil Myself and Tharsis have had numerous dealings with Veto members, which have all been good; but, when Verone's gotten involved, events such as a ransoming of his corp's Zealot never occured, and have been swept under the rug to preserve a facade to the community...I'm now thoroughly convinced that he is nothing but an egoist out to make a name for himself that will last as long as the game is online.
I've never denied being shot down, killed, or ransomed by anyone. It happens to the best of us.
I can say that the only time I have personally been ransomed was in Aeschee, by Wings Of Redemption, and I was in a Zealot.
I declined to pay (yeah, irony) and was sunsequently podkilled. It happens.
As for yourself and Tharsis all I can say is this seems to be some sort of grudge you hold against me after Tharsis effectively disbanded and several of your corp members, yourself included applied for Veto and were rejected.
Whatever makes you feel happy I guess.
Trashtalking me on the fourms means very little to me any more to be honest.
I'll defend myself, but when it boils down to basics, the people I deal with in game know they can trust me. People know I can be trusted to hold a ransom, to keep my word and not to betray it.
I have no intention of busting my word and destroying an image of trust I've taken two years to build.
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J4m Z
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lanfear's Bane
Originally by: hUssmann Edited by: hUssmann on 13/11/2006 12:01:32
Originally by: Lanfear's Bane
No better way to bring someone to where you want them to than let them think they are getting paid.
We got paid.
Hmm. Strange case this. Anyone have a number for the Hardy Boys?
Actually how come Veto let me fly through the other night in Devoid with about 12 of you on the gate? My heart dropped at the damage I was about to have inflicted on my wallet.
Lanfear's Bane.
Because you got into warp milliseconds before we could get points on you, I was more then mildly ticked off right there. my screen showed "locked" then you went into warp before my scram activated. Really close call really :)
@Dumus Sad to see you go man. Also kind off sad to see that you felt the need to take this route out. Good luck in the future ----
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Portios Smith
Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:02:00 -
[46]
The more I read this thread the more I think you got booted for your loose temper and mouth, nothing else. I hope you learn your lesson and move on. Think before you talk, more so if your words are insults.
I wish you the best of lucks on whatever you do next.
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:32:00 -
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Verone is an honest person. I would trust him with my wallet. However being honest or dishonest, and being an egomaniac of epic proportions is not the same thing.
I saw and heard how Verone deals with other people, and I was not impressed. I heard after-battle smack on Vent, and was not impressed. Leilani incident that leaked out on the forums (oh irony), treatment received by a few people i know personally, and now this paints a pretty clear picture.
I am sorry Verone, but you are a spoiled celebrity with inflated sense of self importance. How about you be a man and retract the petition? Dumus might have been mad, but he did not intend to hurt you in RL. As for the assets, thats between you, Dumus, your conscious and his.
Join Star Fraction. Be yourself. |
Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 13/11/2006 21:42:52 Thanks for bringing up the Leilani incident Tecam, forgot about that - to Izo claiming this thread needs to be locked as it deals with internal affairs, surely that was not the same tune when you booted Ms. Solaris from your corp was it .
"Titans were never meant to be cost-effective, they're a huge ****" - Oveur |
Verone's Ego
Ex Veto Support And Rehab Group
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:39:00 -
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Thut'ankh Amon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:47:00 -
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leilani solaris was booted from corp for betraying gang mates during combat - ie refused engaging hostile shooting one of our people and i was forced to fight t2 megathron under sentry fire in attempt to save friend. so please do not mix dumus that sometimes has outburst of anger with a traitor /deserter, ok? cuz its and insult towards Dumus who has always been loyal person
Originally by: Noluck Ned *Notify* Concord is on their way to help you, just hang in there, they are waiting for overlord to respawn |
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil Thanks for bringing up the Leilani incident Tecam, forgot about that - to everyone from Veto claiming this thread needs to be locked as it deals with internal affairs, surely that was not the same tune when you booted Ms. Solaris from your corp was it .
Everyone, I think, was just me. And I wasn't here for that, if you'll excuse my ignorance, thats also not the matter at hand... Izo Azlion.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:41:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 13/11/2006 21:42:23
Originally by: Thut'ankh Amon leilani solaris was booted from corp for betraying gang mates during combat - ie refused engaging hostile shooting one of our people and i was forced to fight t2 megathron under sentry fire in attempt to save friend. so please do not mix dumus that sometimes has outburst of anger with a traitor /deserter, ok? cuz its and insult towards Dumus who has always been loyal person
You missed the point - that was an internal affair right? When it suited you, you put it all over General Discussion, yet here you are with another situation and you want it hushed up and deleted so no one can see it.
Originally by: Izo Azlion Everyone, I think, was just me. And I wasn't here for that, if you'll excuse my ignorance, thats also not the matter at hand...
Sorry, statement amended.
"Titans were never meant to be cost-effective, they're a huge ****" - Oveur |
T'Renn
Vale Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Verone's Ego
stuff.
Epic. Freaking. Win.
Veto. at least has a great sense of humor. -- If by some chance I managed to kill you, I can assure you it was purely luck. |
Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 13/11/2006 21:42:23
Originally by: Thut'ankh Amon leilani solaris was booted from corp for betraying gang mates during combat - ie refused engaging hostile shooting one of our people and i was forced to fight t2 megathron under sentry fire in attempt to save friend. so please do not mix dumus that sometimes has outburst of anger with a traitor /deserter, ok? cuz its and insult towards Dumus who has always been loyal person
You missed the point - that was an internal affair right? When it suited you, you put it all over General Discussion, yet here you are with another situation and you want it hushed up and deleted so no one can see it.
Originally by: Izo Azlion Everyone, I think, was just me. And I wasn't here for that, if you'll excuse my ignorance, thats also not the matter at hand...
Sorry, statement amended.
No worries, but still, its like having someone shout you've got a STD, its not big, its not pretty, and its not particularly funny either. Now, no one likes STDs!
Either way, I've relaxed a little now, and this thread means little. Izo Azlion.
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 13/11/2006 22:05:29
Originally by: Sakura Nihil yet here you are with another situation and you want it hushed up and deleted so no one can see it.
Doesn't bother me tbh, this thread can run it's course.
It will have very little effect on Veto and the way we operate, we're already aware of what happened.
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Toon33
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:13:00 -
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I wasn't going to post here but i think this has gone too far.
Dumus you knew what would happen if you left Veto. on bad terms and we all agreed to it. As much as i liked you i think you are taking it too far here. This should never have been brought to the forums.
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Taedrin
Gallente Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:13:00 -
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After reading the majority of the original post, I can not say that I am surprised in any way. From what I've read, you insulted, derided and verbally assaulted your corpmates, and possibly even your CEO. I can not see how you could possibly expect to remain in good standing with your corp after doing such things.
You should accept the consequences of your actions and move on. The only fault I see in the way Verone handled things was in giving everyone but you their roles back. Instead of losing your temper, you should have calmly handled the situation in an adult manner. I have found that by acting calmly and being friendly even to those that I am not on the best of terms with, will generally resolve situations in a way that is satisfactory to both parties.
I would suggest learning to keep a reign on your temper amongst your friends. Friends generally expect you to be friendly, and not to treat them as enemies.
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Toon33 I wasn't going to post here but i think this has gone too far.
Dumus you knew what would happen if you left Veto. on bad terms and we all agreed to it. As much as i liked you i think you are taking it too far here. This should never have been brought to the forums.
Ye, instead you should shut up and submit to the will of the people who kicked you out of their corp and refused to compensate you your money!
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Toon33
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Toon33 I wasn't going to post here but i think this has gone too far.
Dumus you knew what would happen if you left Veto. on bad terms and we all agreed to it. As much as i liked you i think you are taking it too far here. This should never have been brought to the forums.
Ye, instead you should shut up and submit to the will of the people who kicked you out of their corp and refused to compensate you your money!
He knows what the deal was. He accepted this.
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Laocoon on 13/11/2006 23:19:08
I was going to post a big post but I deleted it by mistake.
So in replacement, this what I'll say;
Dumus, your highly warped version of events has unfortunately eliminated any respect I once had for you.
A sparking temper and a flurry of personal attacks will ensure the terms on which you part company with a corporation. If you had held your tongue and attempted to resolve the situation like the mature man you say you are, then I feel then there would be no need for this issue to have come this far.
My opinion is that this is a personal issue with no place on public forums. You seem to feel that there is some major issue that hUss and V have with you, but I assure you, the issue does not lie with the integrity of hUssmann, Verone, or any of the other people who noticed your problem, but it lies with your 'old and wise' attitude and its effect on our family. The 'I am 42 so I know what I'm talking about' argument wears thin eventually, and you often played it as a card which you believed in, even though sometimes you were wrong. Ie, just because you are 42, it doesn't mean that everything you mean is right.
You know how Veto is one of the most tight-knit groups in Eve; the people in our family are friends to me as much as anyone I know. I trust them all implicitly. Hell, I trusted YOU implicitly. What has upset me now is how you have tried to drag us all down, even though many of us have tried to help you after you left.
I simply refuse to stand by and watch you drag our corporation through the dirt as a result of a problem caused specifically by your own attitude.
If you feel you've been cheated and stamped on, take a step back and realise why all this has happened; you have an attitude which unfortunately jumps to the worst conclusion and turns everything into an argument. I fail to see how you could have continued as part of our family, when your hot temper caused so many conflicts.
I feel it's a shame it's come to this.
I am angered by your biased, 'Woe unto me!' story, and even with the sad melodies of the backstage violins in my mind that your tale attempts to conjure, I am still disgusted that you would act in this, if feel deplorable, way.
This is my only and final note on this issue.
You know how Veto is Dumus, our Family will do what it has always done, and will always do: part for no man.
Veto Family for Life.
- Lao
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