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Le Moineau
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.18 01:59:36 -
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TLDR Below
I've been playing EVE for a while now. Maybe six or seven months total. Up untill now the only activities I've done are Missions, Mining, Ratting anoms. You know the usual non combatant high sec activities. All that time I was so afraid of the idea of getting into pvp I would actually not venture anywhere near low sec or null. I just knew that it was going to be so horrible that I would be scarred for life from the ordeal.
That is until recently.
I ran across a person in chat that was advertising a pvp 101 course for new players. I thought " What the hell, I'm not doing anything anyway ". To my utter amazement I had a really good time learning pvp basics. Soon I was heading into low sec with the instructor on roams, looking for some fights. I found out that it wasn't scary at all once I knew the basics and had some tools at my disposal for getting and receiving good fights.
The one and only major hurdle in my finally getting into pvp was a mental road block. Once I had the right tools and attitude I now venture into low sec solo.
My idea is this.
Create a chat channel in game just like Rookie Help where only Rookies are allowed for 30 days. In this channel Would be volunteer instructors who could take rookies out and show them pvp 101. I think that in order to instruct rookies a potential instructor would have to make a video. This video would include the persons qualifications, an outline of the course he would teach ( Or one could be chosen ahead of time for all instructors to follow) and why he/she would be good at instructing.
These videos would then be submitted to the CSM's for review. Or they could be reviewed by CCP personnel but I think the CSM council would be a better way.
In closing I think if new players could be shown the way past the fear factor and shown just how fun pvp in EVE can be. I think we would see a lot better retention rate and a better community.
TLDR: Create a Rookie PVP help channel where instructors can take new players out and show them on a personal level how to handle themselves in pvp combat. Happier new bro's = better player retention and much better community. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.05.18 02:44:29 -
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Your intent is good and your reasons are sound...
Speaking as a 6 year veteran... the biggest hurdles newbie have when it comes to PvP are (but not limited to)...
- getting past the idea of dying: there is a reason that veterans by-and-large recommend newbies to start PvPing in "cheap ships." it is to get used to the idea of dying (no matter what happens) and learning how to escape bad situations with their pod intact.
- getting an income: even the most bloodthirsty PvPer needs an income. You can't lay waste to a scrub corporation or wage a one-man-war against a low-sec group without some way to find your activities. If a newbie joins a more experienced PvPer then he/she can possibly get a leg up and learn more. Otherwise, it takes either creativity or tenacity.
A chat channel is good and never hurts... but IMO, those are your two biggest hurdles for getting people into PvP. And they are both not without their own wider consequences throughout the game (remember, PvE factors into PvP and vice versa... if you make PvP "free" then PvE suffers and if you make PvE too safe then PvP suffers).
How did you Veterans start?
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.05.18 02:55:53 -
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Who picks these volunteers, how are they balanced between all the cultures represented in EVE, how do we stop it becomes an 'insert null group' recruiting scheme, how do we make sure CODE don't take control of it, how do we make sure no troll FC's happen who deliberately lead newbies into their friends for green KB's. The CSM is not balanced relative to the player base, and are not CCP employees, thus are all biased in their own ways so are not a good choice. CCP choosing means CCP are saying which player groups they do or don't support based on who they pick meaning it's equally bad because it makes CCP biased.
In short, a CCP managed channel is a very bad idea because of the number of ways it can be manipulated to give certain groups advantages. This is an area where players do have to find their own way though CCP could certainly give hints at the end of opportunities of 'Look for public PvP roams which normally have no requirements to join in' But they can't advocate any actual groups without biasing themselves. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2015.05.18 03:41:41 -
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If anything of this sort were to happen, it would probably have to be player run. Someone who is an upstanding and respected person would need to sit at the head, and invite FCs rather than let them entirely self-select or it would turn into one or another group's playground and pirahna pack.
Now, if spectre fleet or one of the other well known and respected NPSI channels put up a specifically newbie friendly channel with 2-3 roams a day during the weekend, that is probably the only good way to get something like this off the ground without it being a way to sling newbie hordes at an opponent without needing to take credit for sending in newbies at someone.
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Flying crazier,
And drinking more
Making battleships worth the warp
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Le Moineau
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.18 08:42:17 -
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With more thought I can agree with the points you guys brought up.
From my perspective the biggest problem is exposure. this game is inundated with folks wanting attention for mostly nefarious reasons. How would you go about making yourself known as wheat among the chaff, so to speak.
For the longest time I never knew that there were people out there helping new pilots at all. I fell into by luck really, right place at the right time.
As an aside, maybe being smart enough to find your way past the riff raff is a selection process in itself. Maybe if your smart enough to swim through the piranha's your more likely to do well in actual pvp.
I myself don't like that idea. I'd like to think there is a way to give new pilots a way of getting into combat that doesn't include getting awoxed or scammed.
Anyway, ideas are always welcome. |
Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.05.18 13:48:34 -
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Keeping an eye on this thread.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2015.05.18 13:54:58 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Keeping an eye on this thread.
And this would be one of maybe 3 people in eve I would trust with such a thing, for NPSI shall be the whole of the law.
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Flying crazier,
And drinking more
Making battleships worth the warp
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Le Moineau
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2015.05.18 20:02:55 -
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After doing some thinking about it while I was at work today, I had another idea.
Same concept but different format.
I know most of the larger and more well established Corporations and Alliances have new player programs. There are probably too many to list. My idea is to create a Rookie pvp Basics chat channel.
This channel would be dedicated to volunteer instructors and pilots wanting to learn pvp basics. This would give those wanting to teach and those wanting to learn a place to gather and hook up, so to speak. Each instructor would be responsible for his or her own curriculum. Something short and to the point would be preferable, maybe and hour or so in length. That can vary depending on the student and instructor.
As a rule I wouldn't want to see corp recruitment going on in the channel. If the new pilot and instructor develop a rapport then who's to say the new pilot can sign on with a corp of his or her choice.
An after affect would be that corps and alliances wouldn't have to worry about teaching basics to a new corp member. Having a central location would give both instructors and pilots a place to trade information. I have a feeling that this would keep techniques and standards almost the same across the board. Kind of a impromptu peer review.
Another affect of this would be that if the new pilot feels uncomfortable with an instructor then they can go on and try another instructor who might just be a better fit for them. And at the end if the new pilots would like to pursue other avenue's then no harm done. At leas this way they have a bit of a grasp on how to at least defend themselves. I would even go on to say that this channel would be available to anyone who wants to learn pvp basics, not just rookie pilots. |
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