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Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.12 22:57:00 - [1] To all non-NMTZ pilots in MH-Sec. Trinity Nova is aware of the stirling work your pilots have achieved in the Molden Heath area in controlling the pirate population. Many of you have flown alongside TNT pilots in the pursuit of that goal. I know there will be some pressure on you to consider TNT your enemy during this contract. I also know that MH-Sec is an organisation independant of any one corporation or Alliance's goals. We know that NMTZ is not MH-Sec, and you know Trinity Nova is not an enemy of MH-Sec. Trinity Nova has been engaged to target NMTZ forces only. We are legally retained mercenaries, not pirates (despite the hysterical claims bandied around). Claims will be made that Trinity Nova is a threat to MH-Sec, lies and false links to encourage your active support. None of those claims are true. I wish you continued success in your aims in Molden Heath, and I salute your continued independance. Tyto Click here to visit our site
Karol Octavia	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:02:00 - [2] Quote: We know that NMTZ is not MH-Sec, and you know Trinity Nova is not an enemy of MH-Sec. Don't you mean ... "not an enemy (unless) somebody pays us some isk to you an enemy" Sorry to derail but it seems a bit ridiculous for a mercenary corporation to assure anybody else they aren't hostile. The whole point of being a merc is that anyone could be a target and you have no friends or ethics you won't attack for isk.
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:17:00 - [3] Mere semantics Karol, to clarify I use enemy in two senses here, the larger political sense, and the specific current sense - Trinity Nova has no grudge or political reason to oppose the objectives of MH-Sec, additionally we have no commercial interest in engaging MH-Sec at this time. On both those counts my statement is true, but I understand your comment and hope my answer clarifies somewhat. T Click here to visit our site
Ezekial Alexander Caldari Rising Sun Inc. Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:31:00 - [4] TNT, I regret to inform you that due to these actions you are more than likey going to be regarded as hostile to many of us for some time. Though you may be mercenaries (not pirates), you are still assisting the pirates in their goals and adding instability to the region. Any AAP action will be regarded as hostile and an indirect attack against me, and I'm sure that many other pilots have the same feeling. At the begining of hostilities, TNT became a threat to MH-S. There is no other way to see this conflict. You ARE shooting members of the security force, like it or not, that constitutes an attack and therefor a threat. I hope this contract is near it's end before it causes anymore damage. -Ezekial Alexander R-ISE CEO Electus Matari (This post is not an official statement from -EM-) PS: Like you said, you are Mercs, so you could have turned down the contract and saved a lot of ISK and headaches (iirc, someone said the contract was underpaid anyway)
Cz Ire Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:35:00 - [5] NMTZ has requested that mh-sec (who, as you are aware, prefers not to be mentioned in such a public manner) stay out of this war, and not to engage you. If other pilots and old freinds are disgusted by your actions in takeing a contract against us, that is between you and them to work out. Your actions brought this upon yourselves, it has little to do with what we say about you. Forgive me if I do not show any sympathies for how many of your old freinds are turning against you, of their own accord. You likely recall the contact we had with you determining if your hostilities extended or were solely nmtz. Based on that conversation, we decided to not drag everyone into this. Those who are, are doing so against our expressed wish, but we will not force them to hold their fire against our enemy. To our freinds and allies, our request still stands. Do not go hostile to trinity nova at our request, decide for yourselves. -Cz Ire NMTZ diplomat --- "They saw the long road, the harder road. The road that would ensure what we had gained in the vicious rebellion would not be squandered... our freedom." - Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:39:00 - [6] Ezekial, firstly, the contract was not underpaid. Secondly, are you saying that MH-Sec and NMTZ share target lists and hostiles? Are the two entities not independant? I'm genuinely curious as I thought MH-Sec was a co-operative group that was anti-pirate rather than pro-'any one member'. As we aren't pirates, I'm not sure that our actions could be considered the business of MH-Sec in the way you suggest. If anyone war dec's a member of MH-Sec, does the group always rally round this way or are NMTZ a special case? Tyto Click here to visit our site
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:50:00 - [7] Are you saying, then, that your pilots won't attack NMTZ members when they're in MH-Sec gangs? Or just that you don't see how killing a part of a group is a threat to all of it? Re-Awakened Technologies Inc "That looks interesting... Let's nick it!
Ezekial Alexander Caldari Rising Sun Inc. Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Tyto Ezekial, firstly, the contract was not underpaid. Secondly, are you saying that MH-Sec and NMTZ share target lists and hostiles? Are the two entities not independant? I'm genuinely curious as I thought MH-Sec was a co-operative group that was anti-pirate rather than pro-'any one member'. As we aren't pirates, I'm not sure that our actions could be considered the business of MH-Sec in the way you suggest. If anyone war dec's a member of MH-Sec, does the group always rally round this way or are NMTZ a special case? Tyto Hmm, maybe someone was just unhappy with their cut, anyway... MH-S and NMTZ are not the same thing. However By shooting at ALL of NMTZ, you ARE shooting at SOME of MH-S. MH-S is purely co-op AP group. In the other wars I have seen, MH-S members have always backed up the other corps (ie. intel, logistics, occasional low sec fighting). This situation is a bit different as many TNT pilots flew with MH-S (and consequentally NMTZ.) I remember flying with BT and having constructive and enjoyable operations. To me, this action is Anti-AP and harmful to MH-S goals (and consequently my own). NMTZ is not 'special' in my eyes, but they are friends and wingmen.
Haceldema Minmatar Uberfiend Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:04:00 - [9] Edited by: Haceldema on 13/11/2006 00:05:08 The rub here Tyto is that you could be called upon against anyone in MH-Sec under contract and i'm sure other non MH-Sec members are now very aware of this. As mentioned they have been requested to stay out of hostilities, it is for them to make their minds up. It will however always be there in their heads that you could take up arms under contract against any of them at any time and without warning as we see now.
TECOR Caldari Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:06:00 - [10] Lol Ezekial no Trinity Nova Pilot is unhappy with their cut....I can be very sure of this because we never split until the contract is at an end. So nobody even knows what the cut will be. Please refrain from making things up, it only weakens your position. TEC
Ezekial Alexander Caldari Rising Sun Inc. Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:30:00 - [11] Originally by: TECOR Lol Ezekial no Trinity Nova Pilot is unhappy with their cut....I can be very sure of this because we never split until the contract is at an end. So nobody even knows what the cut will be. Please refrain from making things up, it only weakens your position. TEC There is a difference between a single faulty memory and making something up. If you knew me at all you'd know that lying is not something I do. If you want to make a rebutal, attack the real argument, not the offhand comment
Cz Ire Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:45:00 - [12] Shakes her head I have little to say that hasnt already been said, by both myself, NMTZ pilots, and other mh-sec members. I do not deny there was mh-sec pressure, I was pointing out that such pressure was not our doing, in fact, against our expressed wish. I apologize for semi-hijacking the thread with my previous post. You created this thread adressed to Mh-sec members, not NMTZ members. I mearly wished to make our stance clear in my previous post. I will let you continue your talks with them, and will attempt to stay out of it, unless I feel we need to clarify something. NMTZ pilots, please refrain from unnessisary furthur posts in this thread, this is between trinity nova and mh-sec, like the title says. Im sure by now everyone well knows our opinion on the matter. -Cz Ire NMTZ diplomat --- "They saw the long road, the harder road. The road that would ensure what we had gained in the vicious rebellion would not be squandered... our freedom." - Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir
TECOR Caldari Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:56:00 - [13] Edited by: TECOR on 13/11/2006 00:59:30 I would but I am afraid my faulty memory might get the better of me. Besides I would not need to clarify off hand comments If people would just stop making them. And their you go telling me to stay on topic. TEC
Ezekial Alexander Caldari Rising Sun Inc. Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.13 02:20:00 - [14] Edited by: Ezekial Alexander on 13/11/2006 02:28:43 Originally by: TECOR Edited by: TECOR on 13/11/2006 00:59:30 I would but I am afraid my faulty memory might get the better of me. Besides I would not need to clarify off hand comments If people would just stop making them. And their you go telling me to stay on topic. TEC It's gone, lets move on with the original intention of the post. (I found the comment I was thinking of, but it was a cut at INFOD rather than a comment on TNT's merc costs. Sorry for the confusion) Thank you for your words Tyto...though I don't think it will help much :-(
Nebulous Minmatar Thukker Nomads	Posted - 2006.11.13 05:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Tyto To all non-NMTZ pilots in MH-Sec. Trinity Nova is aware of the stirling work your pilots have achieved in the Molden Heath area in controlling the pirate population. Many of you have flown alongside TNT pilots in the pursuit of that goal. I know there will be some pressure on you to consider TNT your enemy during this contract. I also know that MH-Sec is an organisation independant of any one corporation or Alliance's goals. We know that NMTZ is not MH-Sec, and you know Trinity Nova is not an enemy of MH-Sec. Trinity Nova has been engaged to target NMTZ forces only. We are legally retained mercenaries, not pirates (despite the hysterical claims bandied around). Claims will be made that Trinity Nova is a threat to MH-Sec, lies and false links to encourage your active support. None of those claims are true. I wish you continued success in your aims in Molden Heath, and I salute your continued independance. Tyto Why do you insist on digging a deeper hole tyto? Im going to be as civil as possible here, do you honestly think that most of MH-SEC and matari groups care less about what you say from now on? you can put whatever spin on it you want, you did not have to accept this contract and by doing so you bring instability to molden heath, you shoot old friends in the name of ISK, we are 90% sure of who you are working for, if your goals were achieved and NMTZ were removed from molden heath you would simply be contracted to annihilate the rest of the good people here and molden heath would be a pirate hive once again, if you are to blind to see this then your even more immoral than i first thought. In many peoples eyes we thukker are considered the darker types of matari, but even 10 billion ISK payed solely to me wouldnt force me to shoot old friends. Nebulous out
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Necroborg The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.11.13 09:33:00 - [16] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 13/11/2006 09:37:10 Tyto, your getting more hilarious with each post. Your corp is causing security problems in Molden Heath by attacking innocent residents. Your no different from pirates in that regard. Or do you think that just because someone pays you to do it then that's ok? laughs I'm almost tempted to return to Molden Heath now ... So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Futher Bezluden Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.13 09:58:00 - [17] Mh-S... you mean MNHS... Molden Heath Syndicate. They are a 6 man corp. Don't drag them into your confused argument Tyto. Whatever those traitors Biggus Tankus and TheMantisCH (aka: Kawez06) may have mentioned to you is surely the fabrication of unstable minds. Your contract is against NMTZ, whose function is to fight piracy, only emboldens the pirates to be more brazen in their assault upon innocents. Enjoy the blood money. As for the alliance members posting to this thread about the fictious MH-SEC Tyto has gone on about, do not tease the idiot. MH-S is MNHS -Molden Heath Syndicate, a 6 man corp. THUKKER -Be Paranoid
SatanicVersus Minmatar S.T.A.R.S.	Posted - 2006.11.13 12:32:00 - [18] Edited by: SatanicVersus on 13/11/2006 12:34:27 Tyto, in reply to your original statement: Your reasoning here is completely and utterly wrong. In the most complete defention of wrong to boot. Your argument is completely unfounded and of course you will not admit that. I am bound to not mention certain organisations that may or may not exist, nontheless you claim to be Matari RP and yet you accept a contract against a Matari alliance. With all the fibre in my being i spit on you for the disgrace you have brought to this area. Consider this. You HAVE disrupted the hard work many corporations have made towards policing this area - something you claim to be supporting. Are you so selfish or do you simply not care unless isk is involved!? HOW DARE YOU acknowledge the locals when you are contributing to the problem in Molden Heath. The NMTZ alliance has many issues to deal with that are often hard to find a suitable solution for. I know they strive to do what is right and for the record, you have never been branded as pirates, you have simply been compared to them for your lack or bravery towards the higher skilled enemies from within NMTZ. Now i understand you obviously (lol) will not agree with this post Tyto, but it is true. I have no problems with your line of work, but you have been corrupted by isk to the point where you are failing your own people. Open your eyes and AID the people in the area. Fight the pirates and criminals, not the people fighting the pirates and criminals. Reagards. SV Dude! look at the SIZE of that weapon!
Cassidy Kerouac	Posted - 2006.11.13 13:00:00 - [19] .... well SatanicVerses cuold not have said it clearer or left so little to add.... pirate is the term we use for all typs of griefers...yo kno the type of folks that put kittens in washing machines when young ect... there is not a single anti pirate in MH that will disagree with the fact that indeed tnt has joined this lot! shame you seem too ignorant to see this! C K >=)
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.13 14:59:00 - [20] Originally by: SatanicVersus Your reasoning here is completely and utterly wrong. In the most complete defention of wrong to boot. Your argument is completely unfounded and of course you will not admit that. Excellent, a seasoned debater who will certainly see sense! Quote: you claim to be Matari RP Ah, here is where we see the root of your misunderstanding. Could you perhaps show me where I claim to be a minmatar sympathiser (RP is a phrase I am unfamiliar with). Quote: Now i understand you obviously (lol) will not agree with this post Tyto, but it is true. Well I can't argue with logic like that. T Click here to visit our site
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Cassidy Kerouac .... well SatanicVerses cuold not have said it clearer or left so little to add.... You aren't serious? Click here to visit our site
cold lazarus Amarr Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.13 15:36:00 - [22] personal feelings should have nothing to do with this job. Yes we get paid isk to take the job, yes we could have turned it down because of a few old friends, what about next contract? what about hiring more people should we take in their whole career before we hire them to make sure we donÆt limit the amount of targets we can have? that is just stupid, A contract has come up Tyto and other leaders I am assuming did not just go "yeeeeeehaaaa!!!! payday" they though long and hard about any repercussions that this contract will have. I personally have no feelings at all I will shoot at who I am told to shoot until i am told to stop, as for being old friends, well things change.
The Knight Gallente The Crucible Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.13 18:00:00 - [23] Edited by: The Knight on 13/11/2006 18:03:07 Originally by: cold lazarus personal feelings should have nothing to do with this job. Yes we get paid isk to take the job, yes we could have turned it down because of a few old friends, what about next contract? what about hiring more people should we take in their whole career before we hire them to make sure we donÆt limit the amount of targets we can have? that is just stupid, A contract has come up Tyto and other leaders I am assuming did not just go "yeeeeeehaaaa!!!! payday" they though long and hard about any repercussions that this contract will have. I personally have no feelings at all I will shoot at who I am told to shoot until i am told to stop, as for being old friends, well things change. I wrote a nice long post, but this retarded forum ate it and I can't be arsed to re-write it all.
Jakoll	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:10:00 - [24] Edited by: Jakoll on 13/11/2006 19:17:29 Edited by: Jakoll on 13/11/2006 19:12:20 (quote) As we aren't pirates, I'm not sure that our actions could be considered the business of MH-Sec in the way you suggest. If anyone war dec's a member of MH-Sec, does the group always rally round this way or are NMTZ a special case? Dont know why you keep bringing up mnhs but yes The corporations of Molden Heath who fight together to keep pirates at bay will always Rally around each other. Its called friendship and it runs deep in molden heath
TALIZOR	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Tyto Edited by: Tyto on 12/11/2006 23:45:07 As we aren't pirates, I'm not sure that our actions could be considered the business of MH-Sec in the way you suggest. If anyone war dec's a member of MH-Sec, does the group always rally round this way or are NMTZ a special case? Tyto Not a special case at all. Yes when friends are war decd most corps in molden heath will rally to their side. Its called friendship and it runs deep in molden heath
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:57:00 - [26] Edited by: zoolkhan on 13/11/2006 19:58:12 for whatever it counts, i personally wish to see an end of this unfortunate contract. TNT is a very effective unit. Effective enough to be able to choose their contract. next time i hope their choice makes them attacking someone who deserves it. U'K recruit! contact me ingame for free eve webshosting
Kun6 Fu Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.13 20:55:00 - [27] Originally by: zoolkhan Edited by: zoolkhan on 13/11/2006 19:58:12 next time i hope their choice makes them attacking someone who deserves it. you mean someone who YOU thinks deserves it. pffft.
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:10:00 - [28] That's easily arranged, just the price to be negotiated. Click here to visit our site
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.13 23:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Aodha Khan Edited by: Aodha Khan on 13/11/2006 09:38:24 Tyto, your getting more hilarious with each post. Your corp is causing security problems in Molden Heath by attacking innocent residents. Your no different from pirates in that regard. Or do you think that just because someone pays you to do it then that's ok? laughs I'm almost tempted to return to Molden Heath now ... unfortunately, the Empires residents demand my attention. I've been thinking about many of the things that have been said about Trinity Nova over the last few days and how innacurate and the fallacious testimony of many pilots that, by virtue of being able to type, seem to think they have something to add to the conversation. Thus as an example I have quoted above the mumblings of Aodha who if memory serves is the apprentice of a rather, unhinged, self-proclaimed priest Pacal Balan. Pacal's the sort that when people speak about him they usually are making twirling motions with a finger by the side of their head and silently mouthing the word "mentalist". Aodha since then left to follow some blood raider clan abandoning the Paratwa Ra ways and correct me if I am wrong but didn't you also once have a rather large negative security standing with concord? That could be just my faulty memory and I am of course more than happy to correct any factual errors I have made there. So here we have this concerned upstanding blood raider cultist... erm ok scrap that bit... here we have a dedicated defender of Molden Hea... oh hang on..... here we have this random pilot who once happened to fly around Molden Heath some time ago. Seems to fit but less impressive now isn't it. Now to look at the statement. We are causing security problems in Molden Heath by attacking innocent residents. By their actions NMTZ have incurred the wrath of someone and it just so happens we were asked to act as a reply. Our actions are fully sanctioned by Concord and as such are fully within the law. Innocent though? Am I innocent, are you? If you mean innocent in that they did nothing to warrant a contract I would say that our client clearly disagrees. Given the usual response to a TNT strike wing flying through Molden Heath appears to be some knee jerk ego-blob, mindlessly lumbering from one system to another after us or more typically sat in Oddelulf or Teonosude then I fail to see how we're affecting the security. Surely we're helping because if we keep this up, after a week or so NMTZ might actually shave a few minutes off their response time with all this training. As your Signature says "So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak." We are paid to be at war and we will prosecute that war to our best ability. Click here to visit our site
shinmai Minmatar Minmatar Dope Heads	Posted - 2006.11.13 23:48:00 - [30] Originally by: zoolkhan for whatever it counts, i personally wish to see an end of this unfortunate contract. Here! Here! Personally speaking I concur with this statement! For those that say this war has not had a destablizing effect, you are wearing the proverbial rose colored glasses. TNT, whether you realize it our not oozing in under cover of your assault are the carpet beggers and ronen warriors who are now taking advantage of a destabalized security posture within the region. Perhaps you haven't noticed the increase in attacks against neutral innocent parties within the lower sec space of Molden Heath. Miners and traders have suffered unprovoked attack in systems which were once considered safe for transit regardless of their security status. You've probably missed these unfortunate events because you've been too busy prosecuting your war. How can you claim that your war is between only you and NMTZ and not take into account the disruption of commerce which is negatively affecting neutral parties? In essence your choice to ignore the collateral damage done to disinterested parties is an act of war against all affected. If your vision is one of a 'bigger' perspective as claimed in the other post within this channel, what is your recommendation for compensating those disinterested third parties for their loss of captial investments, revenue and freedom of movement? If you refuse to recognize the destablinzing effect you are having on the region then I can't blame those neutral corporations, and individuals that claim you are indeed pirates vice mercenaries as you so want others to believe. shinmai out...

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