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SlayerDrake
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:23:00 -
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i want ccp yo nerf the rock !
cause at this moment the scissors can't beat the rock in a 1 on 1 cause the rock is way to overpowerd in any way so plz ccp fix my scissors
The above is exactly what eve is like. People whining about ships that are better then others in certain aspects.
Its called balance.
i can't think of a single ship and setup that can't be counterd in some way ---------- please prove me wrong and you may continue the whining about overpowerd and underpowerd ships on the forums .
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:25:00 -
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yah dude nerf the rock!! One time i threw a rock at some kid's head and was like pwned noob when he got knocked out. So overpowered tbh
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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LWMaverick
Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:28:00 -
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Another clueless post.
If there is a balance issue, ccp should know about it, and this is the place to do it.
If a surdden ship perfoms alot better than all the others, its not balanced, and should be balanced there after.
Telling people not to "whine/discuss balance", has to be the stupidiest thing ever...
/Mav (and no, im not a native english speaker)
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Idara
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Idara on 13/11/2006 21:29:50 Rock's already nerfed, paper beats it. PAPER
NERF PAPER! ---
Go! Go! Go pointless Tier 3s!
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SlayerDrake
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: SlayerDrake on 13/11/2006 21:32:44
Originally by: Idara Edited by: Idara on 13/11/2006 21:29:50 Rock's already nerfed, paper beats it. PAPER
NERF PAPER!
exactly what i ment
i think rock is overpowerd and you think paper is and i bet some other poor soul thinks scissors is.
in the end there is perfect balance already and no need to change stuff
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Idara
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Idara on 13/11/2006 21:36:31 Yeah, well, I didn't read your post, just thought it was another whine about the Rokh, only misspelled.
Read it now and realize I'm a dumbass.
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Go! Go! Go pointless Tier 3s!
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 13/11/2006 21:45:21 Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 13/11/2006 21:45:04 well lets see what happend if u throw a rock against the paper... paper gets a hole or become crinkled. what can a scissor do against the rock? nothing... it gest stump. also the paper cannot really harm the rock.
well for me its clear, rock is overpowered!
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Zakgram
Apocalyptic Raiders Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic what can a scissor do against the rock? nothing... it gest stump.
well for me its clear, rock is overpowered!
Scissors scores the word PWNED into rock and if done carefully can sculpt rock in the shape of a willy. Scissors rock... geddit?
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Frezik
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:56:00 -
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This isn't necessarily what we have in game now. It's more like if rock always beat scissors, but also had a 40% chance of beating paper.
In a game with only 3 states for each player, it's very easy to get balance, as the rock-paper-scissors game demonstrates. As the possible states increases, the number of combinations explodes according to the formula n(n − 1) (where n is the number of states). This means that for any reasonably complex game, the number of combinations is practically impossible to balance completely.
My current hypothesis is that you could create a game that dynamically increases the number of combinations as the game is played. It would take several lifetimes of an entire community of players to explore all reasonable strategies, and highly unbalanced strategies would either be lost in the noise or later countered naturally by the game. I haven't really figured out how such a game would work, mind you, which is why it's still a hypothesis
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Nocturnal Avenger
untaught Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Idara Read it now and realize I'm a dumbass.
Me too - I had already lit the flame thrower *G*
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:02:00 -
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Nerf paper plzkthx.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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NiGHTS
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:09:00 -
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that sounds like something to shout at a concert.
NERF THE ROCK NERF THE ROCK http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8766/evesigxt9.jpg Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo |
Laboratus
Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:11:00 -
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I don't know. Rock is pretty tough, so it prolly needs to be nerfed. Paper is ok.
So swing the nerf bat. K?thxbye! ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:23:00 -
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Boost Scissors tbfh!
- Lao
Veto. Corp |
Gindar
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Gindar on 13/11/2006 23:39:53 i nominate this thread for "Thread of the Year 2006"
and paper is clearly overpowered because the manufacturing time is fractional compared to the rock. goonfleet would definitely use paper, while bob attempts to slowly manufacture t2 rocks. Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus |
Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.14 02:22:00 -
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I believe the time is right to give bonuses to all rocks that lets them use fire more effectively. This would solve the problem where paper beats rock. - It's great being Minmatar, ain't it? |
Scordite
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Posted - 2006.11.14 02:57:00 -
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Rock, paper, scissor, who cares? Once kali goes live, everyone will be using acid.
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Enkilil
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:07:00 -
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NERF ALL 3! They all beat the Deimos in its' current unagile, unperforming shyte state.
Glad I put in heavy training for this
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Harry Struman
The Kids in the Hall
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:31:00 -
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Good ol' rock, nothing beats rock! --- Kathy with a C(EO) - The Kids in the Hall That ain't the way I heard it! |
Harry Struman
The Kids in the Hall
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Harry Struman on 14/11/2006 03:33:07 Double post, dang it! I blame scissors! --- Kathy with a C(EO) - The Kids in the Hall That ain't the way I heard it! |
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Rilder
Caldari black viper corp
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Posted - 2006.11.14 05:52:00 -
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D00ds nerf volcanoes! they spit out lava which forms into rocks!!! ------------
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.11.14 07:42:00 -
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Do you guys not have anything better to do?
Hey! I heard there was this cool game called EvE Online! Let us all go play it ;p
_ Killed my sig AGAIN! :p http://www.ninc.org/krubarax/images/2d/verydisco.jpg |
Inanara
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Posted - 2006.11.14 07:46:00 -
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And the Rock cried out No Hiding place!!
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Marcus Starr
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.14 07:53:00 -
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Don't nerf the rock, he's a good actor. I don't want to see him wrestle again even though he was good at that too.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:15:00 -
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yesterday i threw a t2 rock against some dudes head, he didnt had a headache afterwards and was trying to kill me, so boost the rock, nerf the head of the guy and gimme more muscle to throw the rock further.
omgwtfbbqed intergalatic metetor that wins against anything without any effort needs some balancing too.
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Tyler Lowe
Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 13/11/2006 21:45:21 Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 13/11/2006 21:45:04 well lets see what happend if u throw a rock against the paper... paper gets a hole or become crinkled. what can a scissor do against the rock? nothing... it gest stump. also the paper cannot really harm the rock.
well for me its clear, rock is overpowered!
Ah, but paper is as a slender reed in a strong wind, bending when confronted with the force of the rock. Paper yields and then envelops (or is that envelopes ?) Rock. Paper is obviously using cheap metagaming tactics and needs a hefty nerf. Boost Scissors!!!111!!!
J.A.F.O.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:32:00 -
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The Rock says that this thread is one huge pot of Jumbalaya. ....
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:44:00 -
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I figured this topic was a mis-spelling of either the Rohk or the Rook... and both was wrong! --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Minas Reul
Dark Horizons
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:57:00 -
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The real problem is that we already had a knife, and the scissors are just trying to fill the same role but doing it badly. I mean, we all know tha that the knife is more versatile (i'd make some graphs, but i'm too lazy).
What we really need is something with it's own role, like... a pickaxe! Then the rock would not be overpowered. Of course paper would still suck, but hey, they've always sucked. Maybe they could get a boost to card or something. I don't care.
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik the number of combinations is practically impossible to balance completely .. a game that dynamically increases the number of combinations as the game is played
Or, you could let the game dynamically adjust some major parameter (say DPS) whose effect overshadow other factors, and reach rather quickly stable state that is acceptable to all.
Say we initially have Paper's stats set so that it will beat both Rock and Scissors. Now everyone will play with rock, so the game nerfs her stats. After a few cycles we 'll have reasonable equilibrium with all the three having different but balanced stats (rock beats scissors, etc).
Of course if say Rock has extra coolness factor (poor Bart) making it more favored, her users will suffer small penalty..
-Lasse
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