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WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.05 22:59:00 -
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For me, this is pretty exciting. But seriously anyon who tries to say there isn't life anywhere else. In this entire universe are stupid!
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/kepler-22b/ |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.05 23:02:00 -
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We need to blow it up! Before whatever lives there blows us up! |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.05 23:31:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We need to blow it up! Before whatever lives there blows us up!
Nerf Aliens! |
Jack Cavanaugh
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:23:00 -
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I hate to be a downer but given current technology a manned craft, which would also have to be self-sufficient for food, water, fuel/energy, waste and maintenance would take about 45 million years to travel the 600 light years which was quoted in the articles about this discovery.
Given optimal speed of an unmanned craft it would take about 5.5 million years to travel the 600 light years, still taking into account fuel/energy and maintenance. |
iudex
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:44:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We need to blow it up! Before whatever lives there blows us up!
I like your attitude |
Umega
Solis Mensa
3
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Posted - 2011.12.06 01:12:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We need to blow it up! Before whatever lives there blows us up!
It might already be blown up! Looking 600 years into the past is a long time, plenty for the ebil inter-galatic Grey corp space blob to have taken all its gold and unleashed unholy rage. We should ask Lucas if he felt a disturbance before we proceed with operation 'Dead fingers can't push buttons'.
Seriously tho, cool find. I'm curious the age of the star to find out how much time the planet has had to evolve. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
268
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Posted - 2011.12.06 01:24:00 -
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The human race needs new places to go in order to leave the much more weaker "administrative class" behind and grow.
Which is why aliens would stop us dead.
We will have to end the trend of tyranny, slavery, usury, and the usual trappings of humanity BEFORE we head out to the stars lest we bring it with us.
Because then we will have that new planet, in some years, having to send people here to liberate people from the death camps because everybody got stupid and started supporting dictators.
And then, a few generations later, the people on that planet, thinking "It can't happen here", will have the same thing happen but be even more blind to it than the earthlings they saved, and that new planet becomes the wellspring from which tyranny flows, with bases on over 900 other planets and a reserve currency that wrecks the economy of every other planet.
See a pattern here? It goes back 5000 years - from region to region, then to continent to continent, and now planet to planet?
I don't think any advanced races will put up with that - thankfully.
The other reason why they won't let us colonize beyond our own system is because humans will have sex with just about anything. |
Umega
Solis Mensa
3
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Posted - 2011.12.06 01:53:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The human race needs new places to go in order to leave the much more weaker "administrative class" behind and grow.
Which is why aliens would stop us dead.
We will have to end the trend of tyranny, slavery, usury, and the usual trappings of humanity BEFORE we head out to the stars lest we bring it with us.
Because then we will have that new planet, in some years, having to send people here to liberate people from the death camps because everybody got stupid and started supporting dictators.
And then, a few generations later, the people on that planet, thinking "It can't happen here", will have the same thing happen but be even more blind to it than the earthlings they saved, and that new planet becomes the wellspring from which tyranny flows, with bases on over 900 other planets and a reserve currency that wrecks the economy of every other planet.
See a pattern here? It goes back 5000 years - from region to region, then to continent to continent, and now planet to planet?
I don't think any advanced races will put up with that - thankfully.
The other reason why they won't let us colonize beyond our own system is because humans will have sex with just about anything.
Maybe live in the sticks of Kansas less, and see the world more?
I'm glad we have some people on Earth that apparently know exactly how other alien races behave and act.. and whether or not they'd 'allow' us to do some things or not without our opinion/choice in the matter. If only our current world leaders and diplomats were so keen on their assumptions on what is correct and right for everybody..
Oh wait a minute..
Nevermind.
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.06 01:53:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:We will have to end the trend of tyranny, slavery, usury, and the usual trappings of humanity BEFORE we head out to the stars lest we bring it with us.
I'm more than certain I disagree with him on the specifics, but he's quite right. Human minds obviously do not handle large scale civilization well at all. We need to evolve, biologically or socially, to think along the lines of all being unified as living and sentient beings.
We naturally divide, segregate, and have many mechanisms to narrow the number of people we care about. Social classes, cliques, geographic divides become social ones even with mass communication. Even people working together tend to divide themselves and then cast blame across those divisions when things go wrong, instead of continuing to work together on a problem.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2011.12.06 02:02:00 -
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VKhaun Vex wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:We will have to end the trend of tyranny, slavery, usury, and the usual trappings of humanity BEFORE we head out to the stars lest we bring it with us. I'm more than certain I disagree with him on the specifics, but he's quite right. Human minds obviously do not handle large scale civilization well at all. We need to evolve, biologically or socially, to think along the lines of all being unified as living and sentient beings. We naturally divide, segregate, and have many mechanisms to narrow the number of people we care about. Social classes, cliques, geographic divides become social ones even with mass communication. Even people working together tend to divide themselves and then cast blame across those divisions when things go wrong, instead of continuing to work together on a problem.
We call that human nature, and it says we'll jump on the first reason we can think of to kill each other.
I will use the Eve community as my citation |
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Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
556
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Posted - 2011.12.06 02:17:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We need to blow it up! Before whatever lives there blows us up! I <3 the Human Race.
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Rolling Thunder.
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Posted - 2011.12.06 03:21:00 -
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Shotgun the north pole of that planet. Make my ice fortress! |
Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
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Posted - 2011.12.06 06:18:00 -
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I haven't quite got my head around the enormity of the age of the universe relative to immediate human comprehension, but isn't the problem with finding sentient life in the universe less to do with distance and rather more to do with the extremely low probability that any flourishing of life is going to happen in the same time period as any other flourishing of life? |
Selinate
144
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Posted - 2011.12.06 06:21:00 -
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Jack Cavanaugh wrote:I hate to be a downer but given current technology a manned craft, which would also have to be self-sufficient for food, water, fuel/energy, waste and maintenance would take about 45 million years to travel the 600 light years which was quoted in the articles about this discovery.
Given optimal speed of an unmanned craft it would take about 5.5 million years to travel the 600 light years, still taking into account fuel/energy and maintenance.
I think too much is still unknown to say that getting there is completely 100% impossible within a reasonable time frame, but right now, it is pretty laughable to think about the logistics... |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:20:00 -
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We can only hope that if we find intelligent life we're the ones that find it. When a more advanced society locates a primitive one.... well, look at history. The primitives end up wiped out simply due to being in the presence of awesome |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:20:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: The other reason why they won't let us colonize beyond our own system is because humans will have sex with just about anything.
How do you know that?
For all we know, despite all of our other flaws that might be the very reason they let us colonize beyond our own system.
For the sake of the future of the humanity, if you ever get the opportunity to hook up with an alien, make sure he/she/it get's his/hers/its before you get yours... if you know what I mean.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
3
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:32:00 -
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Selinate wrote:Jack Cavanaugh wrote:I hate to be a downer but given current technology a manned craft, which would also have to be self-sufficient for food, water, fuel/energy, waste and maintenance would take about 45 million years to travel the 600 light years which was quoted in the articles about this discovery.
Given optimal speed of an unmanned craft it would take about 5.5 million years to travel the 600 light years, still taking into account fuel/energy and maintenance. I think too much is still unknown to say that getting there is completely 100% impossible within a reasonable time frame, but right now, it is pretty laughable to think about the logistics...
When an object with mass may be faster than a massless object (zero mass at rest, i know).. there might very well be a means to reach this planet in under 600+ years.
Hell.. if even reaching light speed is achieved by humans (I don't need a lecture on the compounding issue of mass coupled with increasing speed).. who ever makes the trip will merely blink and be there. Light speed = time stasis.. if you truly want to live forever, there ya go. So while we might skip about our Sun 600 times.. the astronauts abord that photon rocket won't notice a damn thing, nor will they age, when ship dings 299,792,458 m/s till it begins to lose speed on final approach. They won't even need 600 years worth of food and toilet paper.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:43:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: The other reason why they won't let us colonize beyond our own system is because humans will have sex with just about anything.
How do you know that? For all we know, despite all of our other flaws that might be the very reason they let us colonize beyond our own system. For the sake of the future of the humanity, if you ever get the opportunity to hook up with an alien, make sure he/she/it get's his/hers/its before you get yours... if you know what I mean.
My intergalactic survival kit is the same as my zombie survival kit. It contains a length of rope, ductape, a bottle of wine, and condoms.
Ready for anything |
Jack Cavanaugh
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:34:00 -
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Umega wrote:Selinate wrote:Jack Cavanaugh wrote:I hate to be a downer but given current technology a manned craft, which would also have to be self-sufficient for food, water, fuel/energy, waste and maintenance would take about 45 million years to travel the 600 light years which was quoted in the articles about this discovery.
Given optimal speed of an unmanned craft it would take about 5.5 million years to travel the 600 light years, still taking into account fuel/energy and maintenance. I think too much is still unknown to say that getting there is completely 100% impossible within a reasonable time frame, but right now, it is pretty laughable to think about the logistics... When an object with mass may be faster than a massless object (zero mass at rest, i know).. there might very well be a means to reach this planet in under 600+ years. Hell.. if even reaching light speed is achieved by humans (I don't need a lecture on the compounding issue of mass coupled with increasing speed).. who ever makes the trip will merely blink and be there. Light speed = time stasis.. if you truly want to live forever, there ya go. So while we might skip about our Sun 600 times.. the astronauts abord that photon rocket won't notice a damn thing, nor will they age, when ship dings 299,792,458 m/s till it begins to lose speed on final approach. They won't even need 600 years worth of food and toilet paper.
Here's a conundrum. How would they do a test flight on a light-speed ship?
When it arrived at it's destination everyone involved in the testing and ye...everyone living on the planet at the time would already be centuries old worm food. |
Umega
Solis Mensa
3
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:46:00 -
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Jack Cavanaugh wrote: Here's a conundrum. How would they do a test flight on a light-speed ship?
When it arrived at it's destination everyone involved in the testing and ye...everyone living on the planet at the time would already be centuries old worm food.
Test flight a light speed ship.. obviously a radar gun, cracker jacks, brandy, and a luscious cheese platter.
Takes roughly 7 minutes (I forget, I think 7ish..) for the light from the Sun to reach the Earth. Crap ton of time to run some time dilation checks on a light speed vessel. Fly ship to Sun and back.. stick a clock inside ship, one outside of ship in Earth lab, watch the lights go from red to green, don't get a false start and go.
Test flight done in 14 minutes Earth time. No 'centuries old worm food'.
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Darrow Hill
Eight Bit Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.06 15:10:00 -
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Quote:It is 2.4 times the size of Earth
Being "earth-like" is all fine and dandy but does this not pose a problem, in terms of usability?
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Iosue
UV Heavy Industries STR8NGE BREW
26
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Posted - 2011.12.06 16:21:00 -
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Jack Cavanaugh wrote:Umega wrote:Selinate wrote:Jack Cavanaugh wrote:I hate to be a downer but given current technology a manned craft, which would also have to be self-sufficient for food, water, fuel/energy, waste and maintenance would take about 45 million years to travel the 600 light years which was quoted in the articles about this discovery.
Given optimal speed of an unmanned craft it would take about 5.5 million years to travel the 600 light years, still taking into account fuel/energy and maintenance. I think too much is still unknown to say that getting there is completely 100% impossible within a reasonable time frame, but right now, it is pretty laughable to think about the logistics... When an object with mass may be faster than a massless object (zero mass at rest, i know).. there might very well be a means to reach this planet in under 600+ years. Hell.. if even reaching light speed is achieved by humans (I don't need a lecture on the compounding issue of mass coupled with increasing speed).. who ever makes the trip will merely blink and be there. Light speed = time stasis.. if you truly want to live forever, there ya go. So while we might skip about our Sun 600 times.. the astronauts abord that photon rocket won't notice a damn thing, nor will they age, when ship dings 299,792,458 m/s till it begins to lose speed on final approach. They won't even need 600 years worth of food and toilet paper. Here's a conundrum. How would they do a test flight on a light-speed ship? When it arrived at it's destination everyone involved in the testing and ye...everyone living on the planet at the time would already be centuries old worm food.
conventional theory suggests that because we can observe time dilation in sub-atomic particles, and we are all made up of this stuff, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't have the same effect on us. (i know, i know, awkward double-negative but the grammar police can bite me)
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Something Random
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2011.12.06 20:49:00 -
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They are finding large bodies right now as these are the easiest for them to detect in the first place.
Have yourselves a quick read of what they regard as the 'habitable zone' because it includes some funky temperatures. Theres also the problem of mass/gravity etc
Been watching this for a while and comes from the guys that discovered sun wobbles and dimming, now they know where to point those nice new telescopes there should be a large and constant influx of new possible life bearing planets to point SETI scopes at from now on. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2011.12.06 20:57:00 -
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Darrow Hill wrote:Quote:It is 2.4 times the size of Earth Being "earth-like" is all fine and dandy but does this not pose a problem, in terms of usability?
Provided the same atmospheric pressure as earth (kinda important so your blood doesn't boil) that would make standing on the surface exert a pressure of 2.4 Gs.
Would make standing around a lot harder but people in great physical shape could do it. Then hosting a show like "The Biggest Loser" on the planet would be 2.4x funnier because the only thing funnier than watching fat people do things is watching them do things when there's 2x the normal force of gravity on them |
NickyYo
StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2011.12.07 02:25:00 -
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Jack Cavanaugh wrote:600 light years.
If the planet is 600 light years away is it possible that the planet has now expired? Is it possible us humans are in-fact from that planet earth? |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
159
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Posted - 2011.12.07 02:29:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Darrow Hill wrote:Quote:It is 2.4 times the size of Earth Being "earth-like" is all fine and dandy but does this not pose a problem, in terms of usability? Provided the same atmospheric pressure as earth (kinda important so your blood doesn't boil) that would make standing on the surface exert a pressure of 2.4 Gs. Would make standing around a lot harder but people in great physical shape could do it. Then hosting a show like "The Biggest Loser" on the planet would be 2.4x funnier because the only thing funnier than watching fat people do things is watching them do things when there's 2x the normal force of gravity on them
the planet could have a lighter, or smaller core, and thus the gravity would be relatively the same, afaik?
so it would be a big, but less dense terrestrial planet, with twice the size. Considering the earth as it is today, that's actually quite big, and if it proves to have a similar atmosphere, than we're looking at the first colonizable planet.
if we ever manage to get there
NickyYo wrote:Jack Cavanaugh wrote:600 light years. If the planet is 600 light years away is it possible that the planet has now expired? Is it possible us humans are in-fact from that planet earth?
Kepler-22 is actually G-class star (same as sun), but a bit smaller, thus cooler, and, probably, it will last longer than the sun (generally speaking, smaller = less mass = longer life). [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
BLACK-STAR
254
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Posted - 2011.12.07 02:55:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Jack Cavanaugh wrote:600 light years. If the planet is 600 light years away is it possible that the planet has now expired? Is it possible us humans are in-fact from that planet earth? Yes NickyYo, we're actually all cylons.
ahem
On a serious note, there's a pinnacle point that occurs with any intelligence that dominants a planet. - They destroy the planet and kill themselves (likely happens to 99.9% of all intelligent worlds, including this one soon enough) - They're a united species and work for the common goal of their kind: - They achieve FTL travel and communications and explore the stars and the mystery of life, which: - They seek vast knowledge and are immortal (aging cured and perfected cellular reconstruction).
There's a possibility of a stone age civilization on that habitable world. Otherwise, likely nothing is there. It might have history of a race that ended itself hundreds or thousands of years ago, or left the planet because they depleted it.
To date, there are no recorded intelligent life on another planet and we wouldn't ever live long enough to travel or find out.
[img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |
Umega
Solis Mensa
3
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:50:00 -
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Got to love how some people draw conclusions on what is acceptable alien behavior based upon human nature and our own brain wave activity.. f'in brilliant.
Yes.. of course.. without a doubt an advanced alien race are peaceful people that all get along together while on their rainbow colored teddy bear space ships cause that's the only way they could manage to explore space. Certainly not out of greed for resources.. **** no.. it is most definitely for knowledge cause that is the correct way..
I mean.. duh. It makes complete sense that alien races would only visit other planets PURELY for scientific research and tourist vacation spots. So unlikely that a race a million years ahead of humans have NOT depleted their home planet of resource.. they obviously get power from daisies, mind melding, and love.
We are so savage.. there isn't a single species on this planet older than us killing and claiming turf and resources for themselves and select our group.. nope, just us. We are a special breed.
Get over what is morally acceptable, and thus the proper way to be inter-planetary travelers. We're all parasites leeching off a larger more intricate object.. and so are they. That's all their is to it. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:56:00 -
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Umega wrote:Got to love how some people draw conclusions on what is acceptable alien behavior based upon human nature and our own brain wave activity.. f'in brilliant.
Yes.. of course.. without a doubt an advanced alien race are peaceful people that all get along together while on their rainbow colored teddy bear space ships cause that's the only way they could manage to explore space. Certainly not out of greed for resources.. **** no.. it is most definitely for knowledge cause that is the correct way..
I mean.. duh. It makes complete sense that alien races would only visit other planets PURELY for scientific research and tourist vacation spots. So unlikely that a race a million years ahead of humans have NOT depleted their home planet of resource.. they obviously get power from daisies, mind melding, and love.
We are so savage.. there isn't a single species on this planet older than us killing and claiming turf and resources for themselves and select our group.. nope, just us. We are a special breed.
Get over what is morally acceptable, and thus the proper way to be inter-planetary travelers. We're all parasites leeching off a larger more intricate object.. and so are they. That's all their is to it.
Doesn't matter, they'll bring their equivalent of smallpox blankets over here and from what I've seen from movies it'll be like The Blob or something |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:56:00 -
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Double post
Reserved. |
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