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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2015.05.24 18:41:26 -
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Zappity wrote:Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:What is the reason you want that high faction standing? Lvl 5s with free agent selection come to my mind, but this is also PvE ...
To honor the MMO sandbox I would also prefer a solution, where you can pay another player for grinding (indirectly or directly). I've been wondering this. The only reason I could think of is no longer relevant as of mid-last year. No, not POS anchoring. Market standings for plex trading, jump clones, reprocessing, level 5 agents in lowsec - take your pick.
WRT reprocessing, anyone doing serious reprocessing in a station needs his/her head checked. L5 agents are gotten just right with corp standing... |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2129
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Posted - 2015.05.24 20:26:55 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:I am very surprised by the difference in reaction between "I want to do less work" threads, depending on who starts them. Frankly, I don't want to do any work. I have limited login time and will pay other players practically anything to avoid a grind.
And why not when the alternative is that parts of the game are blocked for me? There is no way I would do that grind again. Too frustrating. The last "mission" I received took me nine jumps through highsec in a frigate to deliver a piece of paper. Seriously? This is not what I log in for. I would much rather be out there trying to kill people or risking a nice, shiny ship.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2129
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Posted - 2015.05.24 20:28:09 -
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Lil' Brudder Too wrote:Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote: Market taxes etc.
Locator agents.
These being the two rather helpful non-pve related ones. And the later even being more pvp linked. Once you have standing with a faction, you have access to all their agents, including locators. Of course, at the moment there is stll a hidden NPC standing hit for pvp'ing and podding ANY (including criminally flagged players) players belonging to NPC corps. So there is even a PvP standing hit...but no PvP standing boost. Locater agents will be even more important if Fozzie follows through and moves the watchlist function to them.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Wendrika Hydreiga
350
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Posted - 2015.05.24 20:32:10 -
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Anything related to COSMOS Missions is in a state of utter disrepair, like the Datacenter missions. Tried doing a few of them the other day and it broke my Neocom and Agent tracking.
I'd suggest a revamp to that whole aspect of PvE but I'd probably be lynched by an angry mob! Can't blame them really, so many things out there that need more attention than the stuff I find relevant to my interests.
Removing asymptotic standing gains would go along way. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
372
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Posted - 2015.05.24 20:55:36 -
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Amarr and Caldari highsec are off limits to me because I've been in FW for so long. So I can't really do anything else highsec related with this character (e.g. incursions or wardecs). I believe my standings with both of those empires are around -6 with diplomacy lvl 4. It is an unfortunate state of affairs.
Running lvl 4 missions for SoE does a great job keeping my sec status up and pays well at the same time, but I really have no desire to grind lvl 1 and 2 missions for Amarr and Caldari corps with worthless LP, and I've heard nothing but horror stories about these mysterious COSMOS missions.
A better method of fixing empire standings would be well received. Introducing more tag hunting opportunities would also give players another reason to go to low/nullsec. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.05.24 21:06:45 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Anything related to COSMOS Missions is in a state of utter disrepair, like the Datacenter missions. Tried doing a few of them the other day and it broke my Neocom and Agent tracking. This is true. All that stuff at top left has disappeared more than a few times during the cosmos missions.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Marsha Mallow
2158
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Posted - 2015.05.24 21:20:09 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Tags for Sec Status was an amazing improvement to the game. Not only did it give people another option to fix their sec status, but it also added a unique resource to lowsec that is both accessible and available. It helped veterans and new players alike.
There is no reason not to do this for faction standings, so long as it works just like sec status and is only able to repair it up to zero. Ideally the tags could only be found in NPC null belt spawns, and would add a much needed income stream. Faction standings mechanics are a dinosaur from an older time - I'm sure we all know people who's game play experience has become all too centered on PvE, not by choice, but because the standings mechanics were not adequately explained in game. +1
Consequences are one thing but forcing people to deal with crappy mechanics because 'that's the way it's always been' is a bit myopic.
Being KOS to certain factions because of missions you ran years ago (or run by a characters previous owner) is just an annoyance. It adds nothing to gameplay, especially if you would be willing to pay to fix it but can't stand running missions.
It's putting me off sticking alts into FW because they'll eventually be locked out of certain areas so it's like committing them to a permanent niche play style - which has to be annoying for people with less alts than me.
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Zealous Miner
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Posted - 2015.05.24 21:23:34 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:I am very surprised by the difference in reaction between "I want to do less work" threads, depending on who starts them. If I'm understanding this thread and what is being suggested here correctly the work would still have to be done (by someone). The "reward" of standings is what is being transferred (for a fee, of course).
It's like tags for security, except with standings. You go grind those 'tags' (or 'certificates of job completion', 'vouchers', etc.) for me and I'll pay you a nice fee for your troubles. It's just another service one would be able to sell or buy.
I guess there's a want for a more standardized way of trading or selling standings services. I'm kind of on the fence about it. On the one hand it's a great way to open up a whole new market for people who want to sell standings to others and stuff, but have difficulties doing so with timezones, free time available, etc. We could also turn the standings gains into physical items that need to be hauled from mission hub to a trade hub or other destination. On the other hand we lose the potential for scamming in the form of a buyer skipping out on a bill or a standings seller taking the money and running.
However, there should always be a 'consequence' in the form of a negative faction hit for someone turning in faction tags. I.E. you turn in a 'Level 4 Security Certificate of Service (Caldari)', you would gain faction standings with the Caldari State (and its allies), but still lose standings with their 'enemies.' You shouldn't be able to acquire positive faction standings with no negative standings hit (except in the limited form of the SoE arc, etc. which has an actual reason for such outcomes). Turning in the tag or certificate or voucher should be the same as stating, "Yeah, I helped the Caldari State."
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8627
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Posted - 2015.05.24 21:29:42 -
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Zappity wrote:
I decided I wanted a character with >7 faction standings.
That takes two days. Three to four if you are lazy/time limited. If you can't be bothered to figure out how to do it or are too entitled to run around high sec for a couple of days out of the 365 this year, then trash the PC and get an Xbox. Those game will pretty much play themselves while you pretend to yourself that you are actually involved somehow.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.05.24 21:47:50 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:That takes two days. Three to four if you are lazy/time limited. How?
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Kaye Kaye
Mining and Trade
11
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Posted - 2015.05.25 00:19:42 -
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+100 on this topic.
This is one area of the game that desperately needs a fix.
If nothing else, just slow down the negative standings hit so that it's not SUCH a grind to play different parts of the game.
I mean really, EVERY ONE of those Red Cross Yahoo's were killed and the word still it got back to their home base that I did it. |
Wendrika Hydreiga
353
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Posted - 2015.05.25 00:35:14 -
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Zappity wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:That takes two days. Three to four if you are lazy/time limited. How?
It takes a week of intensive level 3 mission running to even dent a extremely low faction standing, which is not for the faint of heart or those intolerant to PvE Grinds. And it takes a lot of luck to get decent storyline missions that award good standing boosts (protip: it's not the ones that ask you to bring ore). With a three hour non-stop session you're lucky if you get four storyline missions, which can give you anywhere between 0.8 to 1.7 Faction Standings.
Mr Epeen is probably confusing your issue with the amount of time it takes to unlock Level 4s which really is a couple of days tops. He is so inconsiderate and self-centered at times, am I right? |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2015.05.25 01:16:12 -
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How about we just start off the game with all standings at 10 so that there's no progression, and no reward for being a long term player of the game. How would that be? We can just make the gratification more instantaneous. Kinda like WoW.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2421
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Posted - 2015.05.25 01:25:25 -
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I've been living with being totally unable to use locator agents for five years because I do any kind of PVE, at all, ever.
Subsequently tags for standings would be pretty helpful. |
Zealous Miner
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Posted - 2015.05.25 01:26:21 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:How about we just start off the game with all standings at 10 so that there's no progression, and no reward for being a long term player of the game. How would that be? We can just make the gratification more instantaneous. Kinda like WoW. It's not really instant gratification when what is being suggested would require someone to actually grind for the tags to sell to someone else who worked for the money to buy said tags.
However, as I've mentioned already using these tags should still give a negative standings hit to the enemies of the faction it was redeemed for.
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Wendrika Hydreiga
354
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Posted - 2015.05.25 02:08:38 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:How about we just start off the game with all standings at 10 so that there's no progression, and no reward for being a long term player of the game. How would that be? We can just make the gratification more instantaneous. Kinda like WoW.
As a person who maxed over 60 reputations over the course of seven years, I am offended by this remark, which is obviously a product of misconceptions and prejudice. I had to work hard to get some of those reputations maxed.
In EVE, standings are broken as a system. Their gains are based on asymptote equations, the Diplomacy type skills are on a negative logarithmic scale, and their benefits are underwhelming and cryptic. Standing gains on top of that are based on the distance from the Agent's Station and enemies fought. A Mission against an empire facyion offers about 10% less standing if it is done within 3 jumps away of the agent, while the standings loss are fixed ship ship kills go from fixed to entirely random and hurt more than the rate we can repair them. And that's absurd!
Zappity isn't asking for a fix. She's asking for an opt out. That's how bad the current system is, as it is beyond fixing in the short term. The means to produce this opt out exist, are easily available and could be implemented faster than the time it takes CCP to work a Burner Mission. Even make the Datacenter missions repeatable would go a long way. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8627
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Posted - 2015.05.25 02:31:48 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Mr Epeen is probably confusing your issue with the amount of time it takes to unlock Level 4s which really is a couple of days tops. LOL! No. It involves running not a single regular mission.Wendrika wrote: He is so inconsiderate and self-centered at times, am I right? Yeah...you are right. But this isn't one of those times.
Here's a hint. Look someplace besides GD for the answer. I've certainly posted plenty about how to quickly hit a 7 or 8 faction standing and so have many others. The answers are right here in the EVE-O forums. You just need to look a tiny little bit.
That's as much hand holding as you'll get out of me on this well worn topic.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.05.25 03:28:04 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Here's a hint. Look someplace besides GD for the answer. I've certainly posted plenty about how to quickly hit a 7 or 8 faction standing and so have many others. The answers are right here in the EVE-O forums. You just need to look a tiny little bit. That's as much hand holding as you'll get out of me on this well worn topic. Mr Epeen If you are suggesting something other than the techniques I mentioned in the OP please just say so. Google finds you consistently talking about data centres, COSMOS missions and The Plan more generally, just as I described.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2132
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Posted - 2015.05.25 03:32:36 -
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I'd also like to point out that this isn't an extreme view. The CSM9 minutes touched on this:
CSM9 minutes wrote:CCP Soniclover -... We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry.
Mike Azariah - There are some people who make their career out of helping people get standings to access missions.
CCP Soniclover - We know. We are aware that lots of players have spent a lot of time grinding standings. We will not be removing this barrier without giving something in return. We are looking at adjusting mission rewards, LP changes, and things like that. We will make it very useful to have high standards but not a requirement like it is now.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
101
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Posted - 2015.05.25 03:37:42 -
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Zappity wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Here's a hint. Look someplace besides GD for the answer. I've certainly posted plenty about how to quickly hit a 7 or 8 faction standing and so have many others. The answers are right here in the EVE-O forums. You just need to look a tiny little bit. That's as much hand holding as you'll get out of me on this well worn topic. Mr Epeen If you are suggesting something other than the techniques I mentioned in the OP please just say so. Google finds you consistently talking about data centres, COSMOS missions and The Plan more generally, just as I described.
I also looked online and found only the same information already covered. Now that I've looked into standings, I see how a high faction standing is useful for traders. |
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.05.25 04:19:23 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:How about we just start off the game with all standings at 10 so that there's no progression, and no reward for being a long term player of the game. How would that be? We can just make the gratification more instantaneous. Kinda like WoW.
This comment is bizarre because faction reputation systems linear progression scales are incredibly common in conventional MMOs like WOW. As is the requirement to do a bunch of boring, pointless PVE content to get access to game features.
Lack of direct linear progression and the immediate availability of features is one of the major differences between EVE and conventional MMOs.
You're pointing out one of the few ancient vestiges of EVEs conception that actually make EVE similar to a conventional MMO and saying that removing it would somehow make EVE more like one?
You're totally full of ****.
Not to mention that gaining NPC corporation standing is only possible through PVE for some reason, but you can lose it through PVP. For example my standing with The Scope is incredibly low due to the enormous number of NPC corp characters I've killed. If I wanted to recover that standing I'd have to do PVE, which I'm not ever going to do. The standing system is a nuisance and the specific way it functions is bordering on insanity. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
kaldasti sjo sigla
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Posted - 2015.05.25 06:24:12 -
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OP, maybe talk to a guy called Imiarr Timshae. His standings business does mostly corp standings, but sometimes faction. At least maybe might have ideas for you.
I need to check out Hello Kitty Island Adventure. It must be a good game as people in EvE tell me all the time that I should be playing it.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2133
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Posted - 2015.05.25 06:28:03 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:OP, maybe talk to a guy called Imiarr Timshae. His standings business does mostly corp standings, but sometimes faction. At least maybe might have ideas for you.
Thanks. I did check his thread before I started - doesn't do faction. I don't think you can share faction rewards.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
234
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Posted - 2015.05.25 06:32:50 -
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Zappity wrote:Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:OP, maybe talk to a guy called Imiarr Timshae. His standings business does mostly corp standings, but sometimes faction. At least maybe might have ideas for you.
Thanks. I did check his thread before I started - doesn't do faction. I don't think you can share faction rewards.
You know, some 6 years ago I suggested a module that can pull wrecks for ya...People called me carebear, go somewhere else blah blah...5 years later we got it :) So, if they keep this speed up, we should get the tags in 2020. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
146
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Posted - 2015.05.25 07:28:16 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:I am very surprised by the difference in reaction between "I want to do less work" threads, depending on who starts them.
what are you talking about, he is willing to pay, within reasonable amount of course.
and his suggestion will actually benefit the mission runners as well.
Just Add Water
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
234
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Posted - 2015.05.25 09:57:44 -
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Zappity wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Anything related to COSMOS Missions is in a state of utter disrepair, like the Datacenter missions. Tried doing a few of them the other day and it broke my Neocom and Agent tracking. This is true. All that stuff at top left has disappeared more than a few times during the cosmos missions.
Ah I see what you mean on that one. I have noticed that happening but that 'stuff in the top left' does come back afterwards.
" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick.
" Find out what ? "-áAbraham.
" They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick.
Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.05.25 09:59:01 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Zappity wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Anything related to COSMOS Missions is in a state of utter disrepair, like the Datacenter missions. Tried doing a few of them the other day and it broke my Neocom and Agent tracking. This is true. All that stuff at top left has disappeared more than a few times during the cosmos missions. Ah I see what you mean on that one. I have noticed that happening but that 'stuff in the top left' does come back afterwards. Yeah, you can usually get it back after a session change.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2953
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Posted - 2015.05.25 10:14:46 -
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I would be opposed of this idea , would it not have been for the introduction of sec stat tags.I was against the introduction of those , even though i have been -10 multiple times myself and had to do the horrific grinding back up every time.But since we have them , even though i dislike it , i see no reason why these tags you mention should not be introduced.
Either have none of the above tags , wich is what i would have prefered , or just seed both of them wich is the most reallistic thing to do now since CCP introduced the security tags anyway.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Endecroix
Royal Reidquat Airforce
17
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Posted - 2015.05.25 11:12:32 -
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I've worked hard to get my standings with all factions.
My suggestion would be rather than giving you a easy hanin tags type method we find a way for someone like me to help out someone like you thereby creating content rather than dumbing down mechanisms. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1654
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Posted - 2015.05.25 11:31:39 -
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Zappity wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Anything related to COSMOS Missions is in a state of utter disrepair, like the Datacenter missions. Tried doing a few of them the other day and it broke my Neocom and Agent tracking. This is true. All that stuff at top left has disappeared more than a few times during the cosmos missions. It happens when you accept mission with certificate. Other missions are not buggy. I've placed bug-report about it
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