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Sibyyl
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:39:24 -
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From patch notes for Carnyx:
Quote:Ships in high-sec space piloted by a character with a Criminal Flag will now be unable to use in-space re-fitting facilities.
This should not affect Hyperdunking in any way. The only mention of the refitting tactic that I could find was in a Failhelp post from 2012 discussing CCP closing the boomerang exploit, so it seems like this tactic had been around for a while:
smagd wrote:Combat refitting is probably an intended feature, since I'm fairly sure CCP is aware of the Rooks & Kings video that demonstrated refitting sieged dread back and forth between more tank and more gank and that's far more of an abuse if you ask me. ("Oh look I'm primary, switching out faction gyros for T2 hardeners").
This tactic is described in a RnK Lord Maldoror, referencing their Clarion Call 4 video, in a Mittani article.
Why is this even an issue? Doesn't a criminal's warp-incapable ship get popped after CONCORD lands on grid?
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Sibyyl
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:41:06 -
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Edit: double post
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:43:51 -
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Woot \o/
Two potential threadnaughts started in the same day. I'm so glad I have the day off today.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:49:04 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Why is this even an issue? Doesn't a criminal's warp-incapable ship get popped after CONCORD lands on grid?
Only possible thing I can imagine is stripping and dumping mods before the ship gets nuked, but I know I'm not fast-fingered enough to do that, and I haven't heard of it being a "thing", so, who knows *shrug* |
Alundil
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:51:33 -
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I have no idea what issue this particular addition is supposed to address.
Can CCP provide some input on this?
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SamuraiJack
Tritanium Industries and Technology Backseat Promises
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:52:03 -
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I've got much better idea.
If you GCC. Concord Pods you. End of hyperdunking.
You are a criminal in highsec. They shouldnt just pop you. They should kill you. You broke the law. Have some ****ing concequences. Hows that for realism.
SJ's Chronicles - http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2103579/CLS-SamuraiJack
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Solstice Punk
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:54:20 -
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Wow this thread was needed so badly ... |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:54:32 -
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Last I heard of this was also during the boomerang days, and even then it was so much of hassle that most didn't bother doing it.
Who put the goat in there?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:54:46 -
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SamuraiJack wrote:I've got much better idea.
If you GCC. Concord Pods you. End of hyperdunking.
You are a criminal in highsec. They shouldnt just pop you. They should kill you. You broke the law. Have some ****ing concequences. Hows that for realism.
Has anyone ever mentioned how well you'd fit in on a Breaking Bad poster?
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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SamuraiJack
Tritanium Industries and Technology Backseat Promises
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Posted - 2015.05.29 15:55:59 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:SamuraiJack wrote:I've got much better idea.
If you GCC. Concord Pods you. End of hyperdunking.
You are a criminal in highsec. They shouldnt just pop you. They should kill you. You broke the law. Have some ****ing concequences. Hows that for realism. Has anyone ever mentioned how well you'd fit in on a Breaking Bad poster? Mr Epeen
Yep. Have the shirt for it too. And when i have shaved head i look like him IRL :P
SJ's Chronicles - http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2103579/CLS-SamuraiJack
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.05.29 16:02:59 -
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Meh, if someone can give me a viable use for this tactic I will get out my pitchfork. Anchoring location restrictions and time to anchor make it too much of a pain to be useful while criminal.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Sibyyl
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.29 16:06:57 -
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Yes you're right Loyd. No pitchfork content here.
I tried!
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2015.05.29 16:07:11 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Meh, if someone can give me a viable use for this tactic I will get out my pitchfork. Anchoring location restrictions and time to anchor make it too much of a pain to be useful while criminal. They used to use an Orca to save the modules of their gank-ship before exploding. It enabled them to use more expensive stuff like faction damage mods, but it hasn't been a thing since the boomerang days since it's no longer possible to warp to your Orca after a gank.
Who put the goat in there?
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Kashadin
Big Johnson's
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Posted - 2015.05.29 16:07:58 -
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You don't get a GCC when shooting someone in NS or WHs, so at least this won't effect those areas tho I am curious how this will effect any cap fights in LS.
Only thing I can think of is that they did it because they found a thing where people were stripping off mods and tossing them into a container before being concorded, possibly being considered a exploit they wouldn't say anything about it till it was patched out.
**edit** They might have been using a Nestor for the refit, can park that on a gate and brick tank it to make sure it doesn't get ganked while you, well gank. And I read that the Bowhead has the ability for Refit, although I'm not sure if the gankers would risk that thing sitting there, tho it can get a ridiculous tank. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.05.29 16:09:47 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Meh, if someone can give me a viable use for this tactic I will get out my pitchfork. Anchoring location restrictions and time to anchor make it too much of a pain to be useful while criminal. They used to use an Orca to save the modules of their gank-ship before exploding. It enabled them to use more expensive stuff like faction damage mods, but it hasn't been a thing since the boomerang days since it's no longer possible to warp to your Orca after a gank. I guess I'm just lazy, that is entirely too much effort for something that is unnecessary 99% of the time.
Kashadin wrote:You don't get a GCC when shooting someone in NS or WHs, so at least this won't effect those areas tho I am curious how this will effect any cap fights in LS.
It pretty specifically says highsec space.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Kashadin
Big Johnson's
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Posted - 2015.05.29 16:14:28 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Shederov Blood wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Meh, if someone can give me a viable use for this tactic I will get out my pitchfork. Anchoring location restrictions and time to anchor make it too much of a pain to be useful while criminal. They used to use an Orca to save the modules of their gank-ship before exploding. It enabled them to use more expensive stuff like faction damage mods, but it hasn't been a thing since the boomerang days since it's no longer possible to warp to your Orca after a gank. I guess I'm just lazy, that is entirely too much effort for something that is unnecessary 99% of the time. Kashadin wrote:You don't get a GCC when shooting someone in NS or WHs, so at least this won't effect those areas tho I am curious how this will effect any cap fights in LS.
It pretty specifically says highsec space.
Derp. >.<
The rest of my post stands tho. :p
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.05.29 17:44:56 -
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Kashadin wrote:
Only thing I can think of is that they did it because they found a thing where people were stripping off mods and tossing them into a container before being concorded, possibly being considered a exploit they wouldn't say anything about it till it was patched out.
If they say anything about an exploit, it should indeed be AFTER it's patched out to be sure people don't start milking the newfound* cow for all it's worth.
Newfound for those player indeed, not those who triggered the change. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.05.29 18:03:25 -
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Yeah, this is fairly obviously a change to enforce the costs of aggression, and little else.
SamuraiJack wrote:I've got much better idea.
If you GCC. Concord Pods you. End of hyperdunking. There's no reason to end that strategy though, and even less reason for NPCs to do the job assigned to players. If you want someone to lose their pod, it is your job to make that happen GÇö stop trying to flog off your personal responsibilities on unrelated game mechanics, and your problem will go away. So you're confusing the word GÇ£betterGÇ¥ with GÇ£nonsensical and pointlessGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.05.29 18:12:41 -
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I expected better from you Sibs.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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SamuraiJack
Tritanium Industries and Technology Backseat Promises
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Posted - 2015.05.29 18:21:57 -
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Tippia wrote:Yeah, this is fairly obviously a change to enforce the costs of aggression, and little else. SamuraiJack wrote:I've got much better idea.
If you GCC. Concord Pods you. End of hyperdunking. There's no reason to end that strategy though, and even less reason for NPCs to do the job assigned to players. If you want someone to lose their pod, it is your job to make that happen GÇö stop trying to flog off your personal responsibilities on unrelated game mechanics, and your problem will go away. So you're confusing the word GÇ£betterGÇ¥ with GÇ£nonsensical and pointlessGÇ¥.
Or you're confusing exploitive abuse of "mechanics" as "gameplay"
But TLDR ppl want to be dicks in space. No change there... (but they keep their alts in NPC corps so you cant wardec them)
SJ's Chronicles - http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2103579/CLS-SamuraiJack
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2015.05.29 18:48:00 -
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it doesn't even fix the "impossible" fleet of -10's sitting on a gate bumping ships 300kms before the ganking.
the only thing it fixes is after you pop someone you cant go to an orca or pos and reship until your 15 mins is up
put more thought into it CCP
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Sibyyl
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.29 18:53:47 -
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SamuraiJack wrote:Or you're confusing exploitive abuse of "mechanics" as "gameplay"
But TLDR ppl want to be dicks in space. No change there... (but they keep their alts in NPC corps so you cant wardec them)
But it's not "exploitive". Official ruling.
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SamuraiJack
Tritanium Industries and Technology Backseat Promises
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:01:02 -
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Just because you CAN be a **** in a game doesnt mean you have to. It does however show you're a **** IRL.
SJ's Chronicles - http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2103579/CLS-SamuraiJack
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:08:46 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Woot \o/ Two potential threadnaughts started in the same day. I'm so glad I have the day off. Mr Epeen
I'm getting some popcorn.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:11:13 -
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SamuraiJack wrote:Just because you CAN be a **** in a game doesnt mean you have to. It does however show you're a **** IRL.
Explain to us how playing a game within that games legitimate ruleset makes somone a ****?
Because if so, EVERY athlete and game player in real life is a ****. Because how dare they try to beat the other guy/team by playing within the rules? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:15:45 -
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SamuraiJack wrote:Just because you CAN be a **** in a game doesnt mean you have to. It does however show you're a **** IRL.
If you can't figure out the difference between a video game and real life, you have serious problems.
To put it another way: "Settle down, Beavis."
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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SamuraiJack
Tritanium Industries and Technology Backseat Promises
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:20:29 -
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Ah yes. CODE the uber "Pvpers" of eve. Cos shooting **** that cant shoot back is pro?
Add to that recycling of alts etc... Rules dont apply right?
whatever.
SJ's Chronicles - http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2103579/CLS-SamuraiJack
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13191
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:35:49 -
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SamuraiJack wrote:Ah yes. CODE the uber "Pvpers" of eve. Cos shooting **** that cant shoot back is pro?
Add to that recycling of alts etc... Rules dont apply right?
whatever.
And now we bring you back to your regularly scheduled carebear programming.
"And now it's time for 'Street Corner Rants!', with SamuraiJack!"
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:44:46 -
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SamuraiJack wrote:Ah yes. CODE the uber "Pvpers" of eve. Cos shooting **** that cant shoot back is pro?
The only ships I can think of that can't shoot back are freighters, jump freighters and shuttles. We shoot more than those 3 types.
SamuraiJack wrote:Add to that recycling of alts etc... Rules dont apply right?
This is a myth.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:50:55 -
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This guy is too bingoish to not be a troll, I halfway think he is an Epeen alt, as he is bored now cause neither thread went naught.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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