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Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.05.30 01:43:11 -
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Funny,
I say that the Empire needs to start acting Imperial again and not bow down to outdated and oppressive CONCORD treaties and I'm a complete nutter.
Empress Jamyl says it and...
Ok, bad example.
But I have been saying that the Empire bows only to God and not CONCORD for a while. I'm glad at least someone agrees with me.
I noticed that the tech is from a combined "Amarr and Lai Dai" effort. That generally means Khanid. And it probably means the State should have this tech online shortly.
I also noticed in the ticker that the Republic is demanding more regulation over the Scope over the Tukoss broadcast. Hmmm...I wonder what has them so scared that they would try to limit something that's so "essential to freedom?" At least the Scope is fighting back against CONCORD in the legal arena.
And what on Athra is going on over in Hagilur? SCC people arrested? By whom? Why?
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1074
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Posted - 2015.05.30 02:00:53 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:And what on Athra is going on over in Hagilur? SCC people arrested? By whom? Why?
Arrested by the Republic. There is a connection to the terrorist attacks, seeing as Hagilur was one of the affected systems. I have inquiries out right now but I'm getting stonewalled by bureaucracy. The Why of it is not being widely discussed....I am going to be reminding all personnel of mine in the area to remain vigilant. CONCORD is up to something.... |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1552
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Posted - 2015.05.30 02:07:54 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Funny,
I say that the Empire needs to start acting Imperial again and not bow down to outdated and oppressive CONCORD treaties and I'm a complete nutter.
Empress Jamyl says it and...
Ok, bad example.
But I have been saying that the Empire bows only to God and not CONCORD for a while. I'm glad at least someone agrees with me.
Maybe integrity is not as valued in the Kingdom, but in Amarr we believe in honoring our commitments. Deception is a sin.
His Holiness Heideran VII signed those treaties in good faith on behalf of Amarr and God. That makes CONCORD treaties as binding as any Imperial decree. While there are issues with the way CONCORD is managed, and these issues must be fixed, it is not appropriate for us to break our word to the other members of the interstellar community. To do so is an insult to our integrity, and to God.
If this is a violation of treaties, then the threat must be very severe. No other reason could justify breaking our word.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4894
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Posted - 2015.05.30 05:38:46 -
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Samira Kernher wrote: If this is a violation of treaties, then the threat must be very severe. No other reason could justify breaking our word.
I do remember saying much the same thing to you about the Caldari breach of treaty in order to reclaim Home. You were somewhat dismissive. "A treaty is a treaty is a treaty!" you told me. Except when it's expedient, obviously.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1553
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Posted - 2015.05.30 05:59:35 -
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What I said to you was that if you break your word, then you prove that your word means nothing, and so you should think very very hard about whether breaking your word is really worth it. You argued that you believed breaking your treaty was worth it, but you do have to live with the consequence of Caldari honor no longer being respected. And there should have been other punishments enforced by CONCORD, as well, though they have a habit of not doing this.
I don't like this violation. But it is the will of Her Imperial Majesty, which means it is the will of God. That means it must be an extremely serious matter.
I expect that we will be punished for this violation and I pray that Her Imperial Majesty will permit that punishment, just as she did when she allowed the Federation to punish His Highness Kador for illegally crossing Federal borders. If we are going to break our word, then we must be willing to accept the consequences for doing so.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
127
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Posted - 2015.05.30 13:18:40 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:What I said to you was that if you break your word, then you prove that your word means nothing, and so you should think very very hard about whether breaking your word is really worth it. You argued that you believed breaking your treaty was worth it, but you do have to live with the consequence of Caldari honor no longer being respected. And there should have been other punishments enforced by CONCORD, as well, though they have a habit of not doing this.
I don't like this violation. But it is the will of Her Imperial Majesty, which means it is the will of God. That means it must be an extremely serious matter.
I expect that we will be punished for this violation and I pray that Her Imperial Majesty will permit that punishment, just as she did when she allowed the Federation to punish His Highness Kador for illegally crossing Federal borders. If we are going to break our word, then we must be willing to accept the consequences for doing so.
You realize that you just said that the Word of God means nothing, right? If you break your word....Jamyl's will is the Will of God...
I'll assume it was an error.
There have been instances in history when the person on the throne was "removed" for the betterment of the Empire and said "removal" was neatly explained as being the Will of God.
I find it ironic, that my father and many of the other Old Guard who defended the Kingdom against the Empire were not happy with Khanid's eventual "reconciliation." It was felt that we could easily stand alone as a sovereign government. Now it may be that Khanid's unfinished work may be to save the Empire from itself....as Emperor. Who else has the strength and power to bind together the Houses of the Empire and bring it all forward?
Ah....just musing. It's all broken now, you're right Samira.
An Empire of shreds and patches.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2015.05.30 13:39:01 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:The threat must be terribly dire if Her Imperial Majesty believes it necessary to break our word to the interstellar community. May God forgive us for this sin committed in defense of His creations. I'm sorry Mrs Kernher, but no. It would have been far more greater sin to sit and do absolutely nothing when you know what needs to be done. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1920
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Posted - 2015.05.30 14:11:05 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:So much for "the Amarr Empire never breaks any treaties, but respects them", I guess.
It could be argued that the treaty in question was already dead.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Kithrus
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
366
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Posted - 2015.05.30 14:29:36 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:So much for "the Amarr Empire never breaks any treaties, but respects them", I guess. It could be argued that the treaty in question was already dead.
Id argue that it was the reporters speculation as Concord has not released a statement on the matter. No one who has the right and knowledge to accuse the Empress has done so.
Even if they have realistically it renders the station bashing in null sec impossible, countless lives of station hands and residence have been saved.
This isn't a weapon that kills, try to remember that.
Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.
If you are brave, join me in the dark.
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Utari Onzo
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
247
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Posted - 2015.05.30 14:46:47 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:The threat must be terribly dire if Her Imperial Majesty believes it necessary to break our word to the interstellar community. May God forgive us for this sin committed in defense of His creations. I'm sorry Mrs Kernher, but no. It would have been far more greater sin to sit and do absolutely nothing when you know what needs to be done.
I believe that is my superior's point. That it is a grave threat that has forced the Empress' hand. If treaties have been found to be broken, we must accept there may be consequences for that, but regardless Her Imperial Majesty saw in her wisdom that something needed to be done. A lesser of two evils, by some margin.
None of us true and faithful servants of God are questioning the Divine Empress' decision for she works with the mandate of God, but Lt Kernher has a point that we must still accept our word has none the less been tarnished by this act. I, for one, will accept this as part of the cost of defending ourselves from greater threats.
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
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Matar Ronin
455
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Posted - 2015.05.30 14:53:02 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:So much for "the Amarr Empire never breaks any treaties, but respects them", I guess. It could be argued that the treaty in question was already dead. Or perhaps the tech that the slavery cult empire is giving to all us capsuleers is what she stole from the Drifters which is why the capsuleer Jamyl (which by definition would make her even by their own scriptural standards not fit to sit on the foul throne of that despicable empire) seeks to spread it Cluster wide to diminish the impact of the vengeful Drifters as they come looking for it back. Could this be a ploy to get all us capsuleers labeled as enemies to the wide ranging Drifters? It will be interesting to see if the Drifters are attracted to or repelled from structures using this new shielding.
Any treaty that does not have the slavery cult empire giving up it's "reclaiming mandate" is not honest to begin with. Unless the treaty clearly states we'll not conquer you until such and such date, you know, you'll be the last one we conquer and bring to our false religion that motivates our spread across space.
One must be aware that Concord has influences upon it that are not completely pure, so violating an agreement with Concord is not so troubling as it might appear on the surface.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1007
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Posted - 2015.05.30 14:59:22 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:
I noticed that the tech is from a combined "Amarr and Lai Dai" effort. That generally means Khanid.
Wait.. How do you come to Amarr + Lai Dai = Khanid... ? |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1074
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Posted - 2015.05.30 15:13:58 -
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'Treaty breaks are always reasonable in the first person, we had a good reason! It's only in the third person, their treaty break, that is unreasonable.' |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2015.05.30 15:19:57 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:The threat must be terribly dire if Her Imperial Majesty believes it necessary to break our word to the interstellar community. May God forgive us for this sin committed in defense of His creations. I'm sorry Mrs Kernher, but no. It would have been far more greater sin to sit and do absolutely nothing when you know what needs to be done. I believe that is my superior's point. That it is a grave threat that has forced the Empress' hand. If treaties have been found to be broken, we must accept there may be consequences for that, but regardless Her Imperial Majesty saw in her wisdom that something needed to be done. A lesser of two evils, by some margin. None of us true and faithful servants of God are questioning the Divine Empress' decision for she works with the mandate of God, but Lt Kernher has a point that we must still accept our word has none the less been tarnished by this act. I, for one, will accept this as part of the cost of defending ourselves from greater threats. Her Holiness actions are going in accordance with the holy texts, I'm talking about "Book of Missions 13:21" here. So nothing was "tarnished", it should have been done and there was no way around it. |
Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
127
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Posted - 2015.05.30 15:26:38 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Sinjin Mokk wrote:
I noticed that the tech is from a combined "Amarr and Lai Dai" effort. That generally means Khanid.
Wait.. How do you come to Amarr + Lai Dai = Khanid... ?
Oh, one of our companies, Khanid Innovation, has a long-standing history of working with Lai Dai. Ladi Dai even owns about 3% of the shares in Khanid Innovation.
Not common knowledge, I guess.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Matar Ronin
456
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Posted - 2015.05.30 15:43:01 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Sinjin Mokk wrote:
I noticed that the tech is from a combined "Amarr and Lai Dai" effort. That generally means Khanid.
Wait.. How do you come to Amarr + Lai Dai = Khanid... ? Lai Dai? Isn't that the Caldari super corporation that sponsors the School Of Applied Knowledge?
I did not know they had a campus in khanid space? Perhaps it is not common knowledge.
Such an interesting alliance lol, even when you work with them they try to diminish your contributions.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1007
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Posted - 2015.05.30 16:54:35 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Sinjin Mokk wrote:
I noticed that the tech is from a combined "Amarr and Lai Dai" effort. That generally means Khanid.
Wait.. How do you come to Amarr + Lai Dai = Khanid... ? Oh, one of our companies, Khanid Innovation, has a long-standing history of working with Lai Dai. Ladi Dai even owns about 3% of the shares in Khanid Innovation. Not common knowledge, I guess.
Well, I still wonder though... ? There seems to be an element lacking from the equation... |
Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
127
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Posted - 2015.05.30 18:11:40 -
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Matar Ronin wrote: Lai Dai? Isn't that the Caldari super corporation that sponsors the School Of Applied Knowledge?
I did not know they had a campus in khanid space? Perhaps it is not common knowledge.
Such an interesting alliance lol, even when you work with them they try to diminish your contributions.
It is common enough knowledge if you know where to look.
In short, when Khanid first broke off from the Empire, we allied with the Caldari. Corporations such as Lai Dai helped us develop our economy and technology. You can still see this in a few ship types that are still popular.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
479
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Posted - 2015.05.30 19:06:17 -
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Silvox Lunae wrote:While I am appreciative of these efforts for a defensive preparation against possible Drifter incursion rather than offensive actions, these continuously convenient discoveries cannot be mere coincidence.
I agree. The workings of God are not coincidences, they are miracles. It is baffling that any yet doubt the Empress' holy favor, and the divine mandate of the Empire, in the face of such inspiring proof to the contrary. |
Karmilla Strife
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
301
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Posted - 2015.05.30 19:46:00 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Matar Ronin wrote: Lai Dai? Isn't that the Caldari super corporation that sponsors the School Of Applied Knowledge?
I did not know they had a campus in khanid space? Perhaps it is not common knowledge.
Such an interesting alliance lol, even when you work with them they try to diminish your contributions.
It is common enough knowledge if you know where to look. In short, when Khanid first broke off from the Empire, we allied with the Caldari. Corporations such as Lai Dai helped us develop our economy and technology. You can still see this in a few ship types that are still popular.
There's also Carthum Conglomerate, which was founded by Sarum Family and Lai Dai. I find it much more likely that they were involved in the development of this new technology. |
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
156
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Posted - 2015.05.30 20:03:04 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:So much for "the Amarr Empire never breaks any treaties, but respects them", I guess.
This was once true, but the Amarr Empire was stolen from the True Amarr.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Louanne Barros
Hole Violence Whole Squid
13
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Posted - 2015.05.30 20:08:19 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Sinjin Mokk wrote:
I noticed that the tech is from a combined "Amarr and Lai Dai" effort. That generally means Khanid.
Wait.. How do you come to Amarr + Lai Dai = Khanid... ? Oh, one of our companies, Khanid Innovation, has a long-standing history of working with Lai Dai. Ladi Dai even owns about 3% of the shares in Khanid Innovation. Not common knowledge, I guess.
I am fairly sure they are referring to Carthum Congolmerate. It was founded with the assistance of Lai Dai, and they own a very considerable share of it, much greater than 3%. We'll have to wait for more news to know for certain, however. |
Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
127
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Posted - 2015.05.30 20:51:21 -
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Louanne Barros wrote: I am fairly sure they are referring to Carthum Congolmerate. It was founded with the assistance of Lai Dai, and they own a very considerable share of it, much greater than 3%. We'll have to wait for more news to know for certain, however.
Could be, could be.
Either way, the die is cast. Let's see where the Empress take this.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1921
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Posted - 2015.05.30 20:53:45 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:So much for "the Amarr Empire never breaks any treaties, but respects them", I guess. It could be argued that the treaty in question was already dead. ...Any treaty that does not have the slavery cult empire giving up it's "reclaiming mandate" is not honest to begin with. Unless the treaty clearly states we'll not conquer you until such and such date, you know, you'll be the last one we conquer and bring to our false religion that motivates our spread across space...
You seem to be implying that the Empire is full of warmongers and yet it wasn't Amarrian ships that attacked Yulai, it was Matari ones.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Jili Tonari
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2015.05.30 21:00:40 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:
You seem to be implying that the Empire is full of warmongers and yet it wasn't Amarrian ships that attacked Yulai, it was Matari ones.
Maybe it ain't,
But it's lead by them. And y'all get your panties in a twist when anyone says anything bad about the Empress. So you want to be all sweetness and light, do so. Stop pretending that you ain't a bunch of zealot, warmongering slavers when you clearly are.
We do not forgive, we do not forget.
GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
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Avio Yaken
Scope Works
2050
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Posted - 2015.05.30 21:01:06 -
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Avio Yaken wrote:i swear this thread better not turn into some amarr vs minmatar debate otherwise im gonna be really....upset...and...im not sure..what il do...because....Um.....i can't do anything so...just..Please don't
One does not simply, Cope with the scope
DUST 514 recruitment link
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
371
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Posted - 2015.05.30 21:08:46 -
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Avio Yaken wrote:Avio Yaken wrote:i swear this thread better not turn into some amarr vs minmatar debate otherwise im gonna be really....upset...and...im not sure..what il do...because....Um.....i can't do anything so...just..Please don't
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
156
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Posted - 2015.05.30 21:18:48 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote: Either way, the die is cast. Let's see where the Empress take this.
Always in motion is the future, difficult to see... but I see this... there is no hope from the 'Harbinger of Hope', there is no gift in return to what we have given the Empire. Her lack of judgement (again) shall only reduce the slumber spell she has cast upon the Sarumites in her grasp.
Wake up Capsuleers from your trance. It's time.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Matar Ronin
457
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Posted - 2015.05.31 00:52:31 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:So much for "the Amarr Empire never breaks any treaties, but respects them", I guess. It could be argued that the treaty in question was already dead. ...Any treaty that does not have the slavery cult empire giving up it's "reclaiming mandate" is not honest to begin with. Unless the treaty clearly states we'll not conquer you until such and such date, you know, you'll be the last one we conquer and bring to our false religion that motivates our spread across space... You seem to be implying that the Empire is full of warmongers and yet it wasn't Amarrian ships that attacked Yulai, it was Matari ones. Yes, the Matari people have been the only ones with the technology, conviction, courage, and the skills to defy Concord.
The same Matari people who have been the only ones in Empire space with the technology, conviction, courage, and skills to hand the slavery cultists of your despicable, but fortunately shrinking empire, massive defeats and kick them off planets and "Reclaim" entire systems by force of arms.
Something in their arrogance your "crusaders" would do well to remember.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1555
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Posted - 2015.05.31 00:56:26 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:You realize that you just said that the Word of God means nothing, right? If you break your word....Jamyl's will is the Will of God...
That is not what I said.
Quote:There have been instances in history when the person on the throne was "removed" for the betterment of the Empire and said "removal" was neatly explained as being the Will of God.
No, there have not.
Quote:Who else has the strength and power to bind together the Houses of the Empire and bring it all forward?
Her Imperial Majesty is empress and leads Amarr dutifully as the voice of God. If not her, then His Highness Ardishapur would be the best suited to rule, though any of the heirs would do well.
Your king, however, is not in the line of succession. He gave up that right.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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