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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.18 18:04:00 -
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Well by now I simply have given up to discuss against some of those Anti-Caldari guys and now it seems even more ridiculous to try to make Tux giving the Drake at least a chance to compete in PvP by giving back the RoF bonus.
Yes, Caldari boats are awesome in PvM due to the fact that you just can spam missiles. However, EvE online isn't only about PvM. Of course we could begin a missile discussion again, but I think this would only end up in flaming and nonsense ^^
The only reason why the Drake should get back it's RoF bonus is to compete in PvP. To be honest, most people testing the Drake and pwning around on SiSi made pure tank&gank fittings and due to the fact no one cares about his ships on SiSi, they fight until the end. So, everyone cried "it's to uber! nerf it!". The nerf came and again we Caldaris have a ship that will hardly be seen in PvP due to it's very limited capability to survive in combat. It's pretty easy, the one with the bigger dmg output will usually win.
Now taking a look on Ferox and Drake: Now they are pretty much the same and many people answer on RoF request: "Hey, take the Raven!" So, why can the Raven compete in RvR? It's because of it's RoF bonus. So why not giving the Drake this by Caldarian players most wanted RoF bonus? It's pretty obvious. The non-caldarians would have to battle against an opponent that COULD be a danger to them, because a Drake with RoF bonus is able to answer back an attack at close range.
Until the Drake was introduced, Caldari players had to stay on long ranged combat (except Cerberus maybe) meaning the opponent could always warp out if you hadn't a tackler by your side.
I can only kindly ask you, Tuxford to run some further tests on Drake with RoF bonus by yourself and your DEV team considering you test with chracters with comparable skills and fittings that are common in Tranquility PvP.
Greets Asa
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.18 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Asariasha on 18/11/2006 19:37:53
Originally by: 000Hunter000 ...This will be an ubernasty missionrunner peeps!!!...
And exactly this is the reason why so many Caldari are complaining about the nerf. Flying in PvP is obsolete in a Drake. Just another Missionrunner boat, but we really really want to have a decent close range boat to compete in PvP. Before Tux nerfed the Drake it was such a vessel and right now after the nerf, the Drake is around as good as a Ferox in terms of PvP competition. And I think most of you know how easily a Ferox gets pwned by a Brutix/Cyclone/Prophecy considering the opponents are fitted with casual PvP setup. And don't tell me Ferox has plenty meds to jam. With Kali only ECM specialized ships are able to use ECM in a successive way.
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.19 05:47:00 -
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Well, this discussion is not about Dominix, Raven or rigs. It is just about a comparison of Ferox and Drake and as many people already could realize: Ferox and Drake are now with the changed bonus almost the same ships. I can understand that Risien cries and cries and cries. As an Amarr/Gallente/Minmatar player I'd complain too, because it can not be that Caldari players get a ship which can compete to the blaster/laser/AC boats and with the opportunity of having faster ships than Caldari ones, they got the "i win button".
What is the problem about giving us Caldaris something like a smaller version of the Raven which to be honest is a mission runner ship. Ever saw a Raven in fleet OPs? No, in most alliances it is forbidden to use in fleetOPs due to the fact of missiles delayed impact.
Please, just turn the horrible kinetic bonus to RoF. It's enough to loose a launcher HP. The current nerf would be the same as taking 50m¦ of Myrmidons drone bay and additional taking away one turret. It would also be the same to take away Harbingers 7th turret and adding some crappy bonus in exchange for Harbingers 10% cap need bonus. I havent seen any players complaining about Myrmidon/Harbinger to be too powerful, yet. Actually most agreed to pimp it a bit, so I ask everyone to just understand us Caldaris in our need for RoF bonus.
And pls stop harassing Tux. i guess he has got enough to do. Keep it a fair discussion and maybe we all get what we want to have.
@Tux: Drake - RoF instead of kinetic bonus Myrmidon - a bit more Drone space Ammar/Minmatar - think they are happy with their tier2 BC, because they didnt cry, yet ;)
Greets Asa
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:30:00 -
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Well Pesadel0, even though I don't like such a behaviour of insulting GMs in forums I can understand why people do so. All ships that most people liked got killed by Tux' nerfbat. And the only thing this results in is forum flame of some Caldari haters :/
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.19 14:06:00 -
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Myrm has some drone space to counter the missing dmg-bonus and most players of this community agreed that Myrm needs a bit more drone space.
It is pretty easy to understand what the different races expected about their tier2 BC:
Amarr - Mini Geddon: currently it is Gallente - Mini Dominix: it still needs a bit more drone space Minmatar - Mini AC Tempest: they got it Caldari - Mini Raven: well we received a bigger Caracal :/
And about one of the last comments. It is right, when a big part of the community is unsatisfied with some certain things the Developers of a game should react in a positive way and not with words like Tuxford placed here in the forums.
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.19 16:55:00 -
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Well, we don't want to decide over everything, but to be honest. There are enough Caldari players who could experience for long enough how crappy kinetic missile bonus is. Adding RoF and flight time like on a Raven wouldn't make the Drake an obverpowered BattleCruiser. It would just give it the possibility to compete in PvP and if you take a look on other Battlecruisers like for example the Harbinger you might find out that it has a bonus similar to the Armageddon.
Just check out average DPS of the new BattleCruisers and you will currently mention that the Drake is pre-nerf the absolute looser.
I can just again ask Tuxford to reconsider the Drake boni. Currently they wrecked the ship and this is a fact every Caldari who ever flew a Caracal in PvP can confirm.
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:47:00 -
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Well then to rebalance all of the tier2 BC please nerf in the following way:
Harbinger: -1 turret/cap need bonus change to 10% bonus to armor hitpoints per level
Myrmidon: -25% drone space/Drone HP&dmg bonus change to 5% bonus to medium hybrid turret dmg per lvl
If you nerf, nerf all of them to keep fairness to all races.
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.19 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Asariasha on 19/11/2006 23:51:09 Well Risien, now you might have gotten a clue on what kinetic bonus means to Caldari missile boats and what Caldari players thought about the too harsh nerf.
This discussion has already gone too far, but I can only repeat again what I already mentioned:
Gallente got a small Dominix Minmatar got a small Tempest Amarr got a small Armageddon Caldari got a big Caracal
I mean hey, is it that hard to understand this obvious balancing issue? So, if even one doesn't get the appropriate boni, none of these Battlecruisers should get a bonus-layout you use to find on Battleships so they can't be used in a manner BS are used in PvP.
Thats easy to understand, thats fair to all and so we may all cry for our toys
PS.: And btw...Myrmidon and Harbinger ARE NOT weak. For example NOS Myrmidons kick as and can tank like hell..just for you concerned Gallentean bunny ;)
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.20 00:10:00 -
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Yeah right, the Myrmidon can tank a lot better than a Dominix, but doesn't get 5%turret dmg bonus. But who cares about turrets if you can NOS out every ships cap so it isnt able to tank and will over the time be punched by drones.
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.20 01:14:00 -
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Dont tell me that Amarr is easy because Tux didnt pwn you, yet. Try to fly a Caldari ship without lvl5 in the appropriate shipclass. (this goes for T2 too). . Then if you are able to kill somone in pvp with a kinetic bonus missile ship, I'll bow in dust for you.
Funny, isnt it?
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.20 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Asariasha on 20/11/2006 11:09:32 Edited by: Asariasha on 20/11/2006 11:04:27 I really begin to love how Gallentean players now begin to state arguments why it shouldn't be nerfed...reminds me of us Caldari trying to get RoF instead of kinetic bonus
Well, for sure the Myrmidon can not tank as well as a Dominix, but compared to its ship size it does tank very good. And if you now think about that you can fit blasters and an extreme amount of Drones (while most Gallente guys still ask for more dronespace to launch a set heavies) it will outdamage for example the Drake with ease. So, I see a reason to nerf it. You wanted balance, so we all want balance and have to sacrifice our dreamships.
And to the Amarr...I didnt say that it's easy to fly Amarr ships, but in conclusion it isn't easy to fly Caldari ships in PvP either! I have been flying the Ferox long enough to know that it will be pwned by any ships of it's size. Why do I point to the Ferox? Well, because the Drake is now nothing more than a Ferox. But of course you are now going to tell me that the Ferox is an awesome pvp ship.
@Nicolai: the Rokh has it's strenghts. It will be for example a perfect ship to newer players who are going to train up large hybrids and still can not use tech2. For fleetOPs it will not be that good, because it's only strenght is the range. However, due to Kalis t2 ammo nerf the range for "long range" battles will be decreased nullifying ths range bonus of Rokh and making the older BS the ruler of the battlefields again.
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Asariasha
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.20 11:34:00 -
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Well and if Im now telling that Drake with RoF bonus wouldnt be a dmg-monster as people call it to be (relating to your Myrm not tanking monster annotation)? See, the whole problem just came up by people fitting setups you will never ever see on Tranquility due to the lack of webber, warpjammer, dmg mods,... Another thing is people who complain that Caldari Missiles always hit and you got the free choice of dmg type and so on. Just to compare the strenghts of Missiles vs Turrets go and let a Thorax fight versus a Caracal. You will see how the Thorax is going to kick Caracals ass. And about dmg type you will have to reload for 10seconds which give hostile ships the chance to approach for short range. Exactly the same thing we are going to see after Kali is released. I really really can not understand how you dare to beg for more Dronespace in Myrmidon supported by almost all people in this community and in return don't even try to understand the need for a RoF bonus and more to say kick in the faces of players who assisted you in your wantings. This isnt addressed to all players, but if you maybe check out Risiens postings for example you might understand what frustrates me.
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