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Metis AT
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:17:00 -
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I keep hearing people calling us whiners. Telling us to stop complaining that their blasterthrons can wtfpwn at all ranges inside scramble range. They tell us our ships have roles and that isnt one of them.
They say we have the vagabond. yeah great ship for killing idiots and not getting killed. Its a fun ship, but not the pwnmobile everyone makes it out to be and they all know it. Other HACS are just as good and they know that too.
So i ask, why is it okay for us to be left with just decent ships that require more SP to fly then their solopwnmobile drone boat, missle spamming nonesense.
I am getting tired of it. I am getting tired of being called a whiner because i wont settle for just decent, why they tear my ships to pieces with their good ships. It just ridiculous.
Next they are going to go after the harbringer, because that is now no longer just a desent ship.
Seriously why would tux listen to some gallente pilot at fanfest anyway. Go fly matari for a month see what its like, its not easy, not even in our uber pwnmobile stagabonds, that you can just warp away from or nos to death, or out tank or anything else if you set up your ships right.
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Angus McLean
Gallente Divinity Trials
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Metis AT I keep hearing people calling us whiners.... Rant Continues...
I dont mean to be rude but listen you have to be a tad older than 2 months to make these kind of solutions.
First off your post offered no solutions at all. Secondly the Vagabond is more of a pwn mobile than you know. It can choose its fights and run like a girl if its losing.
Thirdly stop complaining until you learn to play well and then attempt to fly amarr. We live off bread and water so to speak. And we arent even being looked at right now.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:42:00 -
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Apprently its because Matari have 1 ship that can be very good when you spend billions outfitting it. Because of that, the rest of our ships suffer. Everytime someone complains about anything Minmatar related, the answer invariably comes back: "Quit complaining, you have the Vagabond".
Honestly at this point I'm going to say, nerf the Vagabond and bring the rest of the Minmatar fleet up to par.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Angus McLean
Originally by: Metis AT I keep hearing people calling us whiners.... Rant Continues...
I dont mean to be rude but listen you have to be a tad older than 2 months to make these kind of solutions.
First off your post offered no solutions at all. Secondly the Vagabond is more of a pwn mobile than you know. It can choose its fights and run like a girl if its losing.
Thirdly stop complaining until you learn to play well and then attempt to fly amarr. We live off bread and water so to speak. And we arent even being looked at right now.
run like a girl? yeah, you would too if you were in a 250million isk ship that dies the second its webbed. and i think alot more will die after the wcs nerf (yet, not a bad nerf imho)
you both have good points. minnie has some serious issues, but we are used to it cause we love eve on hard mode. it just makes us that much more badarse. vagabond dies pretty easy, i love when ppl complain about how UBER aaawsome it is, then goes and gets inside their nos/jam/ultratank-look-at-my-crazy-dps/versatility-drone-bay Ishtar.
Minnies are middle of the road in ability, always have been. Its pilot ingenuity we rely on, not our tanks, our midslots and RAREly our speed.
and amarr have it worse than us i think right now. angus is right there though i think all the cards are getting thrown on the table for the number of adjustments coming in this game....
between boosters, rigs and double hitpoints, who knows what race/ship/setup is gonna pwn in revelations. we can speculate, but when the whole picture comes together we may find ourselves in a much better boat.... or so i keep telling myself
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Angus McLean
Gallente Divinity Trials
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Angus McLean
Originally by: Metis AT I keep hearing people calling us whiners.... Rant Continues...
I dont mean to be rude but listen you have to be a tad older than 2 months to make these kind of solutions.
First off your post offered no solutions at all. Secondly the Vagabond is more of a pwn mobile than you know. It can choose its fights and run like a girl if its losing.
Thirdly stop complaining until you learn to play well and then attempt to fly amarr. We live off bread and water so to speak. And we arent even being looked at right now.
run like a girl? yeah, you would too if you were in a 250million isk ship that dies the second its webbed. and i think alot more will die after the wcs nerf (yet, not a bad nerf imho)
you both have good points. minnie has some serious issues, but we are used to it cause we love eve on hard mode. it just makes us that much more badarse. vagabond dies pretty easy, i love when ppl complain about how UBER aaawsome it is, then goes and gets inside their nos/jam/ultratank-look-at-my-crazy-dps/versatility-drone-bay Ishtar.
Minnies are middle of the road in ability, always have been. Its pilot ingenuity we rely on, not our tanks, our midslots and RAREly our speed.
and amarr have it worse than us i think right now. angus is right there though i think all the cards are getting thrown on the table for the number of adjustments coming in this game....
between boosters, rigs and double hitpoints, who knows what race/ship/setup is gonna pwn in revelations. we can speculate, but when the whole picture comes together we may find ourselves in a much better boat.... or so i keep telling myself
Oh lol...how did 'Girl' slip out of my mouth...keyboard. j/k, its not that. In fact the problem is I wouldnt pvp in a 210mil ISK ship anyways
Ill stick with zealots thanks.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:47:00 -
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Rifter = top cheetah = top Sabre = top Stiletto = fine Claw = fine jaguar = fine wolf = fine stabber = fine rupture = fine vagabond = top phoon = fine tempest = fine
Forgot the commands but meh, cba.
tell me, which one is wrong ? All these ships are at least decent, mostly fine in their class and more then a few are top in their class.
Stop yappin because your tempest no longer is the top of the line in solopwnage. It's FINE.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Angus McLean
Oh lol...how did 'Girl' slip out of my mouth...keyboard. j/k, its not that. In fact the problem is I wouldnt pvp in a 210mil ISK ship anyways Ill stick with zealots thanks.
oh its fun as hell to fly. you were right on w/ the 'like a girl' comment.
not only do you run like a girl when someone locks you down... i think i have let out a high pitched squeel or two when my shields start dropping hard !
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: HankMurphy on 16/11/2006 23:55:47
Originally by: Rod Blaine Rifter = top cheetah = top Sabre = top Stiletto = fine Claw = fine jaguar = fine wolf = fine stabber = fine rupture = fine vagabond = top phoon = fine tempest = fine
Forgot the commands but meh, cba.
tell me, which one is wrong ? All these ships are at least decent, mostly fine in their class and more then a few are top in their class.
Stop yappin because your tempest no longer is the top of the line in solopwnage. It's FINE.
thanks for reminding us of our ships and judging them so appropriately for us.
and i dont think temp has been top of the line in solopwnage since i started the game years ago just before the first tempest nerf. though.... me in a tempest will likely always be top of the line in solopwnage *hank polishes his fingernails on his shirt*
i like how you put vagabond as = top. the other HACs are so **** different you cant really have a best. i dont see the vagabond standing its ground vs an ishtar or cerb unless he's suicidal, i do know that
last line was a little rude. i editted it out :)
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Rifter = top cheetah = top Sabre = top Stiletto = fine Claw = fine jaguar = fine wolf = fine stabber = fine rupture = fine vagabond = top phoon = fine tempest = fine
Forgot the commands but meh, cba.
tell me, which one is wrong ? All these ships are at least decent, mostly fine in their class and more then a few are top in their class.
Stop yappin because your tempest no longer is the top of the line in solopwnage. It's FINE.
Just because you're a forum ***** doesnt mean you are right. Please stop posting your nonsense and pretending that things are true when they arent.
Vagabond = top? - It's great being Minmatar, ain't it? |
HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:59:00 -
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i edit it out... and tasty says it for me anyway :P
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FraXy
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Rifter = top cheetah = top Sabre = top Stiletto = fine Claw = fine jaguar = fine wolf = fine stabber = fine rupture = fine vagabond = top phoon = fine tempest = fine
Forgot the commands but meh, cba.
tell me, which one is wrong ? All these ships are at least decent, mostly fine in their class and more then a few are top in their class.
Stop yappin because your tempest no longer is the top of the line in solopwnage. It's FINE.
U are a blasterthron pilot aren`t u?
This is my lazy attempt to make an uber-signature, please go away!
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger
Just because you're a forum ***** doesnt mean you are right. You aren't God, you aren't uber, and you're not cool, either. Please stop posting your nonsense and pretending that things are true when they arent.
Vagabond = top? Tempest was at the top of solopwnage? Hahaha.
Aren't you a guy that made an alt, just to keep on doing forum warrior duties without having to sport your main's name on the forum when you voice your opinion?
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: Tasty Burger
Just because you're a forum ***** doesnt mean you are right. You aren't God, you aren't uber, and you're not cool, either. Please stop posting your nonsense and pretending that things are true when they arent.
Vagabond = top? Tempest was at the top of solopwnage? Hahaha.
Aren't you a guy that made an alt, just to keep on doing forum warrior duties without having to sport your main's name on the forum when you voice your opinion?
You're absolutely right. But really, does it matter if I'm an alt or not? It doesnt change whether my posts are worthwhile or not.
My opinions stand. - It's great being Minmatar, ain't it? |
Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:14:00 -
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Vagabond is absolute top of HACs. Tempest is absolute top of fleet BS. --------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Amisa
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:18:00 -
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Sabre is the top of a ship class that dies to anything stronger than a t1 frigate? Great!
Fine doesn't cut it when your crow is being orbited at 19km by an untouchable Crow, unless you happen to be artillery fit. Even then it's tricky.
Can you actually fly Vagabonds? Do you have snake implants? Do you just own NPCers in your vagabond? Is it's hit and run ability what makes it "top" in your opinion?
Do you even fly these ships? I don't see any mention of you in a Vagabond on the BoB killboard, in fact the only Minmatar ship it shoes you as flying recently is a Huginn, then it's back to Gallente for you!
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William Hart
Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa Vagabond is absolute top of HACs. Tempest is absolute top of fleet BS.
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: Tasty Burger
Just because you're a forum ***** doesnt mean you are right. You aren't God, you aren't uber, and you're not cool, either. Please stop posting your nonsense and pretending that things are true when they arent.
Vagabond = top? Tempest was at the top of solopwnage? Hahaha.
Aren't you a guy that made an alt, just to keep on doing forum warrior duties without having to sport your main's name on the forum when you voice your opinion?
You're absolutely right. But really, does it matter if I'm an alt or not? It doesnt change whether my posts are worthwhile or not.
My opinions stand.
It's his opinion tho, and his opinion doesn't have to be right to get the approval of the whole forum warrior community.
Like yours i guess.
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FraXy
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:27:00 -
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Actually, Sabre is top of the line below cruisers when fitted correctly and i would engage pretty much anything below a cruiser with it aswell.
But that`s just one ship. Most are half-decent or half-assed designed tbh.
This is my lazy attempt to make an uber-signature, please go away!
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa Vagabond is absolute top of HACs. Tempest is absolute top of fleet BS.
ever heard of an ishtar? cerb? (maybe you cant catch the vaga, but he isn't gonna tank you either)
how about megathron? (some might argue better sniper than temp, i think its 6 to one 1/2 dozen to the other) hear there is somethingn coming out called a Rohk?
there is no 'absolute top' of any ship class.
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K8 T
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Aren't you a guy that made an alt
Aren't you the guy who bought Kilrock from Jim Raynor for a couple o' bil some time ago?
I heard this on TS, so it must be true.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 17/11/2006 00:36:46
Originally by: K8 T
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Aren't you a guy that made an alt
Aren't you the guy who bought Kilrock from Jim Raynor for a couple o' bil some time ago?
I heard this on TS, so it must be true.
Linkage
Originally by: Rod Blaine arbitrary ship ratings
It would be helpful if you could come up with some kind of logic behind those ratings, otherwise it really doesn't add much to the discussion.
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K8 T
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: K8 T
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Aren't you a guy that made an alt
Aren't you the guy who bought Kilrock from Jim Raynor for a couple o' bil some time ago?
I heard this on TS, so it must be true.
Linkage
I know who he is.. But KilROCK isn't his main either. Re-read what you quoted.
This alt-posting crap is getting out of hand
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Jovius Marginus
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jovius Marginus on 17/11/2006 00:39:11 Real List
Rifter = fine cheetah = top Sabre = top Stiletto = top tackler Claw = fine jaguar = fine wolf = need boost with artys stabber = fine rupture = fine vagabond = fine Sleipner = fine Munin = needs a boost phoon = needs a role change tempest = needs a huge boost with ACs and minor boost for Artys post Kali tier3 Minnie BS = needs a role change Naglfar = needs a boost Nidohggur = needs a boost
Guess it goes either way. Caldari are all "fine" or "best" Amarr are all "needs a boost" besides 1 or 2
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 17/11/2006 00:46:46
Quote: Rifter = top
Rifter is pretty much a good well rounded ship, but the punisher is very close and alot of rifter pilot switch to it.
Quote: cheetah = top
It's only top for catching snipers, getting warp in points, and actually moving around. Buzzard and Helios are pretty much the good covert ops. But that will change in Kali.
Quote: Sabre = top
Sabre is only top because it's the kind of versatility and doesn't have PG or CPU issues like all the other interdictors, simple enough. It doesn't have a **** based weaponry layout either. Again, the sabre isn't the best for all situations, where other interdictors are well able to perform better.
Quote: Stiletto = fine
Hmm. Stiletto is fine. Yea, Well. It's the best tackler, it can ***** ECM/EW to maybe surprise other ships, but it's not exactly good, but then again... Look at other races, Ares is a cheapo taranis, Raptor is rather crap, and there's not much point using a malediction over a crusader if you don't care about your 3rd midslot.
Quote: Claw = fine
It's being suffering a bit since damage controls came in. Null and all the good stuff that made it die to a taranis. I always use artillery on mine and i wish they'd increase the ****ed locking range.
Quote: vagabond = top
It's not that "top", It's costy, it's hard to fly it effectivly and not DIE. Lag kills you, a mistake with interceptor kills you. Web kills you, any decently fitted battleship kills you. Now those apply to most hacs, but vagabond isn't on top.
Quote: phoon = fine
Split weaponry and when a ship is most used with nanos, nos and torps/cruise, you need to ask yourself if the ship is really fine or just needs a ****ed role.
Quote: tempest = fine
Tempest is fine. In many situations, i'd pick megathron over it everytime tho.
Pretty much your whole opinion on minmatar ship is based on your view of their roles in large roaming gangs, fleet fights and solo roaming around..
Most classes are outclassed by other races but wow, we do have some decent ships for getting warp in spots faster, dropping bubbles and maybe killing a frigate before getting 1 volley'ed by a tempest, running around like fools with nanos because the ship has no roles or pretending to have the best hac because we kill npcers, evade camps and stab it up 60% of the time.
Originally by: K8 T
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Aren't you a guy that made an alt
Aren't you the guy who bought Kilrock from Jim Raynor for a couple o' bil some time ago?
I heard this on TS, so it must be true.
KilROCK was bought from Jim Raynor after the real guy quit the game to play the expected soon to be released magical WOW. I've sold my main back a long time ago and i did get KilROCK since i was sick of playing Caldari.
As for mains, KilROCK is now my main and noone will ever change that. It's been like that for years and thanks for including this crap in this topic. I just love alts with no content to back their crap up and feel like this will cause problems.
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K8 T
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:42:00 -
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If you think Jaguar is just plain 'fine' you need your head examined. Its currently tied for best frigate ingame and in Kali it will be top dog.
The other day I dueled a Nos/blaster Ishkur, popped 2 waves of T2 drones and got the pod too.
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.17 00:51:00 -
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My two biggest beefs with Minmatar are as follows:
Large autocannon DPS: too low, needs boosting. It doesn't need to be as high as Gallente or Amarr (nor should it be), but it does need an increase.
The sleipnir's inability to scramble while running a command-ship level tank. Simple fix: move a lowslot to a medium slot.
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Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.17 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
wolf = crap Claw = mega crap
I'll correct you on two.
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Kashre
Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.17 03:43:00 -
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Everyone else runs around complaining about how minmatar are the sux for solo. I just bring a couple buddies in tacklers and kill stuff.
If you want solo minmatar get a vagabond, or a nanophoon, or a jag. I don't even think the nerfed Hurricane is all that bad tbh.
Although the Wolf does kind of suck. +++
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.17 04:05:00 -
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I dunno why the minmatar player are complaining so much all of a sudden. You guys have a lot of very good ships.
Rifter - probably best T1 frig. Amazing ship Jaguar - scary effective tackler. Stiletto - an interceptor with extra midslots? Sheesh that's nice. Stabber - I see these all the time, very nice t1 cruiser. Hoarder - isn't this the biggest industrial you can get for 2 skill? Rupture - a match for the thorax in every way, and that says it all. Vagabond - best HAC 3 times over? Huginn - KING at catching interceptors. Can solo a vagabond. Cyclone - good, solid ship. Hurricane - so good it's already been nerfed. Tempest - excellent sniper, excellent in close with autocannons. Typhoon - Nanophoons omgwtfpwn the blasterthrons you seem so scared of. Naglfar - Highest DPS dread vs a POS. Yah that's something to whine about
That's an awful lot of really great ships for so many whines.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.17 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
/me waits for the next asinine post listing every ship w/ a one to three word comment beside it obviously proving that our race is teh badarsest of them all
And there's your problem. You're the type of player who thinks something sucks if it's not absolutely the best at everything a certain class of ship could possibly be asked to do.
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