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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
383
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Posted - 2015.06.06 15:28:12 -
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Benito Arias wrote:Very nice. Looks like an improvement over classic brackets, for the most part. What I think have an I issue with. -- Different slashes and dots in subcaps. Still think it's too much detail for a bracket. I'd use a single kind of slash (or maybe a dot) to differentiate between frigate/destroyer and cruiser/BC. -- Titan icon is too much of a zebra. Interchanging 1-2px lines and spaces make it look... more filled than the others and thus deviating from 'non-filled PC icons theme' Non-combat ships, I don't really know, don't encounter them often enough to have an opinion. Titan icon still had the "doomsday dot" from an earlier version. It was supposed to be just two intersecting diamonds. Edited my other post and replaced the picture with a corrected version.
Regarding dots and slashes, I originally intended to use a dot to go from frigate to destroyer and a slash from bottom left to top right to go from cruiser to battlecruiser. But then I thought I remembered some people complaining, that the old brackets were looking too much the same and went with what I have now.
J'Poll:
EVE doesn't hand out cookies to you.
EVE kicks you down, steals your cookie and then laughs at you for bringing a cookie in the first place.
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Canon Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.06 15:39:27 -
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Benito Arias wrote:Very nice. Looks like an improvement over classic brackets, for the most part. What I think have an I issue with. -- Different slashes and dots in subcaps. Still think it's too much detail for a bracket. I'd use a single kind of slash (or maybe a dot) to differentiate between frigate/destroyer and cruiser/BC. -- Titan icon is too much of a zebra. Interchanging 1-2px lines and spaces make it look... more filled than the others and thus deviating from 'non-filled PC icons theme' Non-combat ships, I don't really know, don't encounter them often enough to have an opinion.
this is really nice, much much better than the triangles in space right now!! The icons right now is not bad in the overview, but they are indistinguishable in the space. |

E6o5
Tyler Durden Demolitions
288
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Posted - 2015.06.06 15:47:12 -
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day one of the War: Tyler Durden Demolitions vs. C C P Alliance: they choose to stay docked, probably due to crappy icons. |

Lahnius
42
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Posted - 2015.06.06 16:16:49 -
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E6o5 wrote:day one of the War: Tyler Durden Demolitions vs. C C P Alliance: they choose to stay docked, probably due to crappy icons.
hahahahaha ... good one ... i can hear it now:
CCP Pilot1: ok these new icons ... which one is the war target?
CCP Pilot2: the red ones duh!
CCP Pilot1: wait, thats a NPC, im confused!
CCP Pilot2: oh damnit, we should have done this better!
ok that was mean of me ... im sorry ... lol ...  |

Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2015.06.06 16:56:14 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:Yes, that would have been a great idea : a contest for the new icons, with some nice prizes for the fun, and most importantly a poll for the players to choose the winners.  But at the end let's not forget the main question : were the icons really the most urgent thing to spend time on ? Did they really need to be changed ? Aren't there much more important things to be done to improve EVE ? The problem with those contests is that no matter how clear and detailed the requirements are, some people will misread certain requirements, and then there is the chance that the moderators going through the selections are missing that (this has happened elsewhere, I'm not making this up) and then an invalid design gets voted upon. Then there is the issue with voting itself. Only a small portion of the playerbase gets to vote on the poll. Now imagine the fallout when the invalid design starts winning and people point out that it does not meet all rules. It has happened. I'm not going to even touch the human relations part with existing UI developers. Making a contest to fix a failed development is... not okay.
Red Deck wrote:I can't imagine what my workaround would be if I was a new player overwhelmed by the number of ship types appearing in the column. A new player would learn the icons as they were without any previous associations to overwrite. I mean, sure, a new player is probably going to take longer to make proper distinctions among the icons presented, but a new player will never have an issue like "why is a mobile depot shooting at me" because his eve icon memory is a clean slate.
Louanne Barros wrote:I mean, look at this. Show this to an independent UX/UI professional and ask them what their reactions are. https://puu.sh/ielys/69f788c875.pngThat's not a hypothetical situation, I am looking at that in space right now. I knooooow, it is terrible :c The station and stargate and beacon icons are waaay too huge among other things
Heinrich Rotwang wrote:Overview is actually one of the only 2 areas that already have an option to use smaller fonts (the other is the chat window - for mysterious reasons it won't let you use a smaller font on the user list tho). You can only check between "use small fonts" or not, which squishes the horizontal lines closer together, making it even less easy to distinguish huge icons from another, so it introduces another issue even if you use 100% UI scaling. Also, the overview is more than just the matrix content of it. There are also the size of the buttons from the "Selected" window.
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Well, it's saturday, instead of having a nice afternoon, early evening playing EVE , I will be doing something else. I will force myself to sign on before bed tonigt to update PI, but in order to avoid the headaches, I am limiting my playtime. Interesting thing is that With the nice weather, I am not missing EVE as much as I thought.
PS my wife thanks you for the new Icon design, you have achieved what she was unable to. I don't want to sound rude, but if this is not sarcasm but actual reality, then you might have a game addiction problem. |

Firia O'Flame
Gunpoint Mercantile Associates
26
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Posted - 2015.06.06 17:10:22 -
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Lahnius wrote:Firia O'Flame wrote:Has there been any word from CCP on their take on the feedback provided on the new icons? Are we at the stage like we were with turret icons yet? Where we roll back to something that at least worked? last message from CCP was a couple days ago: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5794965#post5794965... not a peep since ... 
Well even that little bit is nice. I wish we knew more, and were looped in a bit more, but the above link does say that we'll be stuck with what we have for a little while longer. It needs to sit a while, and then proper action can be taken. Like garbage day. |

Olleybear
Armed And Angry
214
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Posted - 2015.06.06 17:28:16 -
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Natya Mebelle wrote:I don't want to sound rude, but if this is not sarcasm but actual reality, then you might have a game addiction problem.
Gaming addiction? No such thing. * downs a Mtn Dew in one gulp *
Just the other day I was chatting with a corpie on coms when this very subject came up. During the convo he was complaining about hearing what I was doing in the bathroom because of my wireless mic. I just told him the wireless mic was necessary because there are some things that a bottle beside the computer desk just cant take care of.
He proceeded to point out that I might have a gaming problem because he overheard my conversation with the city official talking about how tall my grass was and how they were gonna charge me if they had to come out and cut it. Can you imagine the nerve of those people? I think I lost a few million isk on the market because of that interruption and I told the official I was going to look into getting that isk back when next I talked to my internet lawyer friend on Eve.
* grabs tissue to stop todays nose bleed while downing a Mtn Dew *
Anyways, the corpie also pointed out how I lost my job recently. He implied it was because of my forum warrioring while I was at work. I told him the boss was being unreasonable and I was looking for a new job anyway. Just like my last job. They actually tracked my total internet use and came up with some absurd numbers like my spending 6 hours a day commenting on the forums and how I wasn't productive as an employee. Yea, I left that place straight away.
* downs another Mtn Dew *
Haha! Did you see that? What? Yes, I'm fine. Why does everyone keep asking me that?
Gaming addiction. Pfft!!!
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2015.06.06 17:44:04 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:Myriad Blaze wrote:I'm tempted to draw another mockup, but I'm not sure it would be worth the effort (unless CCP decides to make some kind of a contest asking players to submit suggestions or decides to make it possible to use customized icons). Bah, did it anyway.  Modified the old brackets and the current capital ship icons. I think something like this would work: Ship Icons- All subcaps brackets are squares, all capital ships are represented by diamonds (for consistency). - The dots in the cruiser (solid dot) and battleship (hollow dot) icons are debatable. I added them for all those, who think that the old bracket size differences weren't discernable enough. - Different orientation of the slash for destroyers and battlecruisers to help keep them apart . - No brackets for capsules and shuttles, because neither has combat capabilities. - Rounded brackets for mining barge and industrial to make them stand out more when it gets crowded. - All combat capital ships have one half of the diamond shaped icons with a double line (titan is two intersecting diamonds). - Capital industrial and freighter icons have the same interior as mining barge and industrial respectively, to stay consistent with regard to typical ship useage. - Made sure that icons scale well to 90% (12px base) and 110% (16px base).
Thank you for producing these. However, to me they are less distinguishable than CCP's new icons. Slight size differences, like between cruiser and battleship, are difficult to judge. The differences in the central dots isn't obvious enough. The differences between a slash to the left and a slash to the right, or a up and down chevrons, are arbitrary to me. The lack or presence of an underline is more intuitive.
But then, I like the triangle/house/chevron style of CCP's new icons. Just my personal taste. :-) |

Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
405
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Posted - 2015.06.06 18:09:27 -
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Yet another bizarre update - when dealing with pve the "name" of the rat is now identical to the "type." For instance, Sansha's Phantasms which are battle cruiser type rats are listed as "sansha's Phantasm" under both the name and type columns. If you want to know that it is a battle cruiser you have to look at the icon - but since the icon is indecipherable you have to hover over it to see that it is actually a battlecruiser. Honestly it was so much easier in pre-patch - you saw the relative size of the ship from the icon and then could see that it was a battle cruiser from the type column - now all the useful information is hidden.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Koba Kyogen
Ultima Unitatis The Asylum.
53
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Posted - 2015.06.06 18:32:32 -
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Awesome.
KK
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ARMED1
Relentless Terrorism Separatists
60
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Posted - 2015.06.06 18:44:56 -
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So now 64 pages of mostly hate for the icons from the last patch...
CCP do you get it yet?
Seems that most of the patch isn't an issue except THE ICONS!
Ffs how many more pages of hate do you need before you get the point.
Safe to say that if something doesn't happen in relation to the icons that it will be obvious that CCP does not care what it's player base thinks.
Yay for the most annoying gameplay change since I have been a subscriber. Yay for CCP paying lip service to its player community while not really caring at all. |

Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2015.06.06 19:18:59 -
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And now for something completely different.
Go to character customization. Next step, towards portrait mode. Open lights, hover the section. Notice something? The popup for the 7 secondary light sources and the brightness slider is gone. This did not happen in Mosaic. How many things are you continuing to break? :c Since we can't play properly due to the icons, now we can't even play dress-up properly any more. Well... poop. |

Ida Aurlien
Cerberus Federation Industrial Division Gentlemen's.Parlor
26
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Posted - 2015.06.06 19:50:57 -
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Let's all go to a new game......by the time they finish with their rebuilding of this 1 it will not resemble the 1 it was
it's better to add content than constantly change it |

Terminus Antollare
Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate United Interests
7
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Posted - 2015.06.06 19:54:14 -
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I like the new icons. There I said it |

Arch-Magus Mephisto
Black Scorpions Inc Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2015.06.06 19:54:51 -
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I am certain CCP knows full well that the player base feels very strongly that the new overview icons are not going well. Thus making immediate plans to revert to either the old scheme or to come up with a design in record speed that actually works.
Please, this is actually important.
Also regarding Fozie Sov: Please do not let sovereignty turn into a game of pest play. |

Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13316
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Posted - 2015.06.06 20:04:41 -
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In case I haven't said this already, the new icons are terrible, and they should be rolled back entirely.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
280
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Posted - 2015.06.06 20:21:10 -
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Arch-Magus Mephisto wrote:Also regarding Fozie Sov: Please do not let sovereignty turn into a game of pest play. We will see a fleet of 3 noob ships take systems.
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Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2015.06.06 20:45:57 -
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It is weekend anyway, so the soonest, reasonable timeframe for a member of CCP to post something, would be Monday afternoon, GMT. |

maredelsilenzio
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.06.06 21:15:19 -
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Thanks guys!
I can proudly report that I'm out of the game for 4 days now. I realized that I spend too much time online and I tried everything to play less, but all my efforts were fruitless. However, as from the moment you had successfully deployed Carnyx, I finally found my inner strength to quit.
My special thanks goes to the person responsible for the new icons set design as well to many of you developers, blind and deaf to all unhappy comments on this tread, that was the key of my success.
Do you by any chance have any suggestion how can I quit smoking? |

Jeven HouseBenyo
Baron and Serpent Productions
63
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Posted - 2015.06.06 22:26:22 -
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Lahnius wrote:E6o5 wrote:day one of the War: Tyler Durden Demolitions vs. C C P Alliance: they choose to stay docked, probably due to crappy icons. hahahahaha ... good one ... i can hear it now: CCP Pilot1: ok these new icons ... which one is the war target? CCP Pilot2: the red ones duh! CCP Pilot1: wait, thats a NPC, im confused! CCP Pilot2: oh damnit, we should have done this better! ok that was mean of me ... im sorry ... lol ... 
The new Eve mini-game: PvPvCCP thread-dec. They're not undocking, hmmmm.... Ingame that has a name. It's not a nice one. I'm waiting for that 'classic icon' option, but my patience has limits. I gave these eye-straino-vision a solid 3+ hours today, doing more than nomming space rocks. Nope, they really do need to go away, or at least give that choice opt-out.
I'm not 'getting used' to a painful skull, right eye socket, and flat out confusion/frustration figuring out what the kludge is what in a rat clearing mission. If CCP pays for Lasic surgery and all follow up appointments, along with pain med fill charges, then I'll fly silent on this. Until then, icons bad, give us a choice since we are paying customers. So far player made ideas for new icons hold more water than what we've had foisted on us.
One two three four, Baron and Serpent Productions declares thread war against C C P Alliance. Willing to cancel it as soon as 'classic icon' choice available. I can be reasonable.
>Jeven
Full time industrialist, part time pirate, snark cranked to 11 at all times.
Overkill loss magnet. Orphaned drone adopter.
It's not paranoia, it's Eve Online!
Experience: the thing you needed right before you received it.
WTB moar wingy bits!
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Jeven HouseBenyo
Baron and Serpent Productions
63
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Posted - 2015.06.06 22:30:05 -
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Olleybear wrote:Natya Mebelle wrote:I don't want to sound rude, but if this is not sarcasm but actual reality, then you might have a game addiction problem. Gaming addiction? No such thing. * downs a Mtn Dew in one gulp * Just the other day I was chatting with a corpie on coms when this very subject came up. During the convo he was complaining about hearing what I was doing in the bathroom because of my wireless mic. I just told him the wireless mic was necessary because there are some things that a bottle beside the computer desk just cant take care of. He proceeded to point out that I might have a gaming problem because he overheard my conversation with the city official talking about how tall my grass was and how they were gonna charge me if they had to come out and cut it. Can you imagine the nerve of those people? I think I lost a few million isk on the market because of that interruption and I told the official I was going to look into getting that isk back when next I talked to my internet lawyer friend on Eve. * grabs tissue to stop todays nose bleed while downing a Mtn Dew * Anyways, the corpie also pointed out how I lost my job recently. He implied it was because of my forum warrioring while I was at work. I told him the boss was being unreasonable and I was looking for a new job anyway. Just like my last job. They actually tracked my total internet use and came up with some absurd numbers like my spending 6 hours a day commenting on the forums and how I wasn't productive as an employee. Yea, I left that place straight away. * downs another Mtn Dew * Haha! Did you see that? What? Yes, I'm fine. Why does everyone keep asking me that? Gaming addiction. Pfft!!!
I miss Surge. Gamer fuel +1 for those of us that don't Jolt Cola. (chugs her bottle of Vault, opens the next from the flat sitting near the computer desk) What gaming addiction, that doesn't exist.
>Jeven
Full time industrialist, part time pirate, snark cranked to 11 at all times.
Overkill loss magnet. Orphaned drone adopter.
It's not paranoia, it's Eve Online!
Experience: the thing you needed right before you received it.
WTB moar wingy bits!
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Catelyn Stoneheart
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
4
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Posted - 2015.06.06 22:52:12 -
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Obligatory post saying I also hate the new icons. Give us an option to use the old ones if we want please!!! |

Koba Kyogen
Ultima Unitatis The Asylum.
53
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Posted - 2015.06.06 22:55:32 -
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Catelyn Stoneheart wrote:Obligatory post saying I also hate the new icons. Give us an option to use the old ones if we want please!!!
Yep. Make it happen CCP. |

Louanne Barros
Hole Violence Whole Squid
18
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Posted - 2015.06.07 00:35:26 -
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In addition to being able to choose a highlight color (vs. the current hard-coded yellow), it would be nice if you could highlight the background, or the whole row of the overlay, similar to what you can configure for player ships.
Yellow would probably be fine if all the text were yellow, not just the icon. |

Lantyss
Henthell Corporation
0
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Posted - 2015.06.07 01:12:42 -
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By scrapping these ridiculous icons and reverting to the old ones, CCP could go a long way toward mitigating the damage it has done to its relationship with the player community. The new icons are awful!!! They really are.
CCP, as much as we all love this game, there are many others out there that treat their players with more respect. |

ARMED1
Relentless Terrorism Separatists
62
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Posted - 2015.06.07 05:12:33 -
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OK so for any of us who actually PVP and want to quickly and easily identify anything ship related, I have found one viable work around for the current terribad overview situation. I will share here so hopefully others can benefit from it as well.
1. Undock our ship and get safe.
2. Right click your overview menu and open "Overview Settings"
3. Go to the tab for "Appearance" and then to the subtab for "Background" this is where you can set a background color for other pilots. I suggest using the powder blue color that is currently the default for a pilot with a mutual engagement timer bc it is really only used for that and it wont conflict with other background colors.
4. Go to the box for a pilot who shares a mutual engagement timer and change the color for that background from the powder blue color to yellow (or whatever color you want)
5. Then sccroll toward the bottom of the background window. At the bottom you will see choices for all the non alliance and non corp affiliated pilots. They will read things like "Pilot has neutral standing" etc .etc. etc. Check all these boxes and then to the right change all these colors to the light powder blue color.
Once that is done any pilot who is not in your corp, in your alliance, criminal, suspect or mutual engagement timer should then show in light blue.
This will help because now anytime you are on grid with another pilot the background will show light blue for them and they wont get lost in the clutter. Of course use some common sense because my description is very general on how to do this. It wasnt meant to be a tutorial just a suggestion on a workaround.
Test your overview first in some non combat situations just to make sure its all ok.
Hope that helps others who were as frustrated as me. BTW just for CCP - I still hate the icons. And no change isnt ALWAYS good. |

TuCZnak
My Private Tax Shelter
25
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Posted - 2015.06.07 05:30:34 -
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Obligatory "I hate the icons too" post just so I don't feel bad for doing nothing when they decide everything is OK and old icons are not coming back. Tried them after Carnyx deployment for like 6 hours doing multiple things, haven't logged in since. Subs for all my accounts cancelled, since why pay for a game that's unplayable for me now, because devs actively broke it while knowing about the feedback from test server and scaling issues. And their answer is just "get used to it"... |

Jeven HouseBenyo
Baron and Serpent Productions
65
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Posted - 2015.06.07 05:48:59 -
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Few more security missions and selling junk runs, still not 'getting used' to the physical pain these icons are giving my poor skull and right eye socket. Nope, gimme back my 'classic icons' because this has gone beyond silly to headache inducing. All the corrective vision options I have won't solve this, CCP can by giving that option.
You're about to owe me for a bottle of Excedrin Migraine at this rate. Name brand pain killers are not cheap. Down to one account active, this is cramping researching BPOs style, killing ISK income, and infuriating me that the last reply was a few days ago with a memo of 'get used to them.'
Not. Happening.
Your customers are speaking. An option to use older icon set ASAP PDQ Nowzers.
>Jeven
Full time industrialist, part time pirate, snark cranked to 11 at all times.
Overkill loss magnet. Orphaned drone adopter.
It's not paranoia, it's Eve Online!
Experience: the thing you needed right before you received it.
WTB moar wingy bits!
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gargars
The Tebo Corp
130
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Posted - 2015.06.07 06:32:28 -
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Normally I cut CCP a lot of slack, and yes change takes some getting used to... BUT.... after several days of playing....
The new icons are ridiculous. I can't see what purpose they provide, and I do not like to have to WORK in a game I have enjoyed for so long re-memorizing a bunch of hideous icons for no real reason. Eve is already too much like a second job. Why make that WORSE? Why ignore the feedback on sisi? Why ignore the feedback HERE? |

Louanne Barros
Hole Violence Whole Squid
19
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Posted - 2015.06.07 07:13:07 -
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At least my overview setups are now more elite-pvp after Carnyx. I've had to at last remove stargates and stations from my standard pvp tab. |
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