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Dek'athor
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:41:00 -
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o/
So I had a plan to skill up for a freighter on main account, and have a disposable alt with double-triple web it through the gates in the few odd 30j trips I make per month (not really worth it to pay up a hauler alt account for my needs imo).
So the plan is:
1. Make alt account through buddy invite
2. Plex the alt account into being 'active'
3. Main acc is now also extended for 30 more days
4. Quickly skill up alt to use a frigate+web
5. When 30 days are up, abandon alt acc1. and buddy invite alt acc2.
6. ????
7. Profit
Any official stance on the above ? |
yumike
Eve of Madness
15
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:59:00 -
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I believe there was a time you could activate a trial with a plex, but you only get 20 some days iirc (Cause first month has a 'setup' fee)
I'm not sure if it's been changed.
the long and the short of it - it's more expensive to activate an account then to maintain one.
Also i've heard of it taking a day or two to remove trial restrictions, So there's that too.. (Aka you will only be able to run one account or the other until trial restrictions are removed)
So CCP's okay with it. It makes them more money, after all. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:00:00 -
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You will get banned
SKUNK |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:01:00 -
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Do what you like
The only time its not accepted by the management is when you are creating suicide alts
Which goes to show that this do what you, like anything goes, scam away kind of game is all junk in reality.
Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards. |
Dek'athor
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:14:00 -
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yumike wrote:I believe there was a time you could activate a trial with a plex, but you only get 20 some days iirc (Cause first month has a 'setup' fee)
I'm not sure if it's been changed.
CCP_Buddy_offer wrote:
... You can send up to 10 invites per month, and for each buddy that upgrades to a paying account, youGÇÖll earn your choice of a PLEX or 30 days of game time.
CCP_Buddy_offer wrote:
Eligible subscription activations can be funded by Credit/Debit cards, WebMoney Transfer, paysafecard, ETC, PLEX, iDeal and PayPal.
So basically I can pay up my main acc through buddy invites and get a alt acc for free (valid 1 month) all with the same single payment.
\o/ |
yumike
Eve of Madness
15
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:20:00 -
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Dek'athor wrote:
So basically I can pay up my main acc through buddy invites and get a alt acc for free (valid 1 month) all with the same single payment.
\o/
I know it can be activated, I just recall reading somewhere that I think it was only 21days for a 30day plex on a trial account at one point, Thus you'll be plexing every 3 weeks instead of month. |
Dek'athor
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:24:00 -
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^ that would make more sense.
But as I read it I can indeed pay up for main acc and get 1 alt acc for free (basically). Still not sure about the official stand on this tho, as I will discard 12 accs/year. |
yumike
Eve of Madness
15
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:27:00 -
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Dek'athor wrote:^ that would make more sense.
But as I read it I can indeed pay up for main acc and get 1 alt acc for free (basically). Still not sure about the official stand on this tho, as I will discard 12 accs/year.
I've done it previously and I think I was getting the full 30 days, but it was 2-3 accounts and then they had out lived their usefulness.
I did a quick look to see some kind of confirmation if its still same duration or what but can't find anything that looks official.
If CCP didn't expect a little 'wonkyness' with invites, you would be blocked from sending them to your own/same email - so I don't see CCP's stance on it ban worthy, at worst probably frowned upon. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
321
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:34:00 -
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I think this is allowed, I remember reading something very similar on the account page or on a forum thread by a GM.
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J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
33
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:42:00 -
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Please read the buddy invite rules again and then also quote the part that abusing the buddy-invite program will get you banned from EVE
J'Poll
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
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Dek'athor
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:46:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Please read the buddy invite rules again and then also quote the part that abusing the buddy-invite program will get you banned from EVE
I'm not seeing it. It reads this:
Buddy_invite_terms wrote:
Scamming in any way or form through buddy invites is prohibited and violations of this rule will be handled accordingly by EVE Online Customer Support. Action will be taken against players who violate this rule and sanctions may include warnings or bans of the offending accounts.
As I'm not engaging in any scamming/suicide-ing shenanigans I should not be subject to this paragraph. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
2
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:56:00 -
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The buddy account offer is supposed to get new business for CCP by attracting your friends to the game, not to supply a player with a non paying alt. Its called a BUDDY system and specifically refers to your friends information.
That said, small manipulations of this seem to be overlooked by CCP. Constant abuse of the BUDDY system however will risk a banning.
To those who point to the terms and conditions and suggest it may authorize this, remember this is CCP we are dealing with and they reserve the right to ban you for any reason. Stealing money from CCPs pocket (in that you dont pay for a hauler account using the buddy abuse method) may well be sufficient reason.
The T+C do not, for example, suggest that rolling buddy accounts for suicide will lead to a ban, but it will.
SKUNK |
Dek'athor
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.12.06 11:09:00 -
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Le Skunk wrote:
The T+C do not, for example, suggest that rolling buddy accounts for suicide will lead to a ban, but it will.
SKUNK
I think the rolling of acc's itself didn't lead to the bans, but constant bio-massing suicide alts that hit too low security on said accounts did.
Biomassing the alt when on low sec status was the frowned upon part if I remember correctly.
Just think this scheme
1. Main acc Buddy invites acc1, receives plex on acc1 activation
3. Acc1 buddy invites acc2, Acc2 receives plex from main acc.
4. Acc2 activates, acc1 gets plex as reward.
5. Acc2 buddy invites acc3, Acc3 gets plex from acc1
6. Acc3 activates, Acc2 gets bonus - 1 plex
7. ???
8. Now you have a army of 10+ alt accs, all with 1 month training to do (destroyers is easy to train upin 1-2 days), all paid for with 1 plex. Go forth and suicide Jita for fun and profit!
9. Biomass the 10+ alts when they reach too low security
10. train new ones
11. get ban(s) ? |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
2
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:08:00 -
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Dek'athor wrote:Le Skunk wrote:
The T+C do not, for example, suggest that rolling buddy accounts for suicide will lead to a ban, but it will.
SKUNK
I think the rolling of acc's itself didn't lead to the bans, but constant bio-massing suicide alts that hit too low security on said accounts did. Biomassing the alt when on low sec status was the frowned upon part if I remember correctly.
Well you are right in one respect in that CCPs stated policy is that the RECYCLING of the alt is what is bannable.
If you click the biomass button on the character select screen, the pop up box that appears says RECYCLE CHARACTER? By creating a new buddy account and plexing it, no characters are ever reclycled - so the logical analysis is that you are not breaking the rules on -10 alt abuse.
However, this is an incorrect tanalysis . CCP will treat any "abuse" of the buddy system (whereby they make no actual profit from an account creation) as a bannable offence. You will be treated as if you have recyled that -10 alt, even though you didnt do it. I have heard of individuals this has happened to even though they were following the strict letter of the law laid down by CCP.
So I would advise caution in your plan, though strictly speaking it contravenes no stated policy.
SKUNK |
Raven Ether
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:26:00 -
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I spoke to a GM about this a few weeks ago, and they told me that it is prohibited when your aim is to scam/suicide gank etc, but acceptable for other reasons.
The GM focused that it is doable, but NOT something they encourage doing. I'd say it is mostly a gray area.
I wanted a temporary cyno account every 50d (21 trial + plex), that way but I'm holding off. |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
2
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:47:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:I spoke to a GM about this a few weeks ago, and they told me that it is prohibited when your aim is to scam/suicide gank etc, but acceptable for other reasons.
Double Standards.. in EvE... you shock me
SKUNK |
Sadayiel
Inner Conflict
15
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:52:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:I spoke to a GM about this a few weeks ago, and they told me that it is prohibited when your aim is to scam/suicide gank etc, but acceptable for other reasons.
The GM focused that it is doable, but NOT something they encourage doing. I'd say it is mostly a gray area.
I wanted a temporary cyno account every 50d (21 trial + plex), that way but I'm holding off.
They also warns that an overused of the buddy invites may lend to banning and WILL BE JUDGED CASE BY CASE.
so in short words, because CCP allowed some guy to do it, it doesn't mean they are going to allow you. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
167
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Posted - 2011.12.06 14:25:00 -
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yumike wrote:Dek'athor wrote:
So basically I can pay up my main acc through buddy invites and get a alt acc for free (valid 1 month) all with the same single payment.
\o/
I know it can be activated, I just recall reading somewhere that I think it was only 21days for a 30day plex on a trial account at one point, Thus you'll be plexing every 3 weeks instead of month.
what are you talking about?
if he sends himself a BUDDY INVITE, the alt gets 21 days of trial time (wherein he CANNOT log in both accounts on the same machine). If he PLEXes the alt straightaway, he'll have 51 (yes, fifty-one) days of "free" gametime on that alt. The "trial restrictions" are lifted immediately on the trial account upon a logout/login cycle. |
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