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Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 183	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:31:08 - [1] - Quote So im hwre in my physics 111 university physics with calculus and we are learning that an object with zero net force will have constant velocity. Why dont my spaceship keep going at like 2km a sec when i turn off my microwarp drive? Thanks
Arline Kley PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 556	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:33:18 - [2] - Quote Because this game is based off submarine physics where you are surrouded by a fluid. "For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 37758	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:34:26 - [3] - Quote It's well known that we are playing a submarine game. Also, it's easier physics to manage than vacuum physics from a gameplay perspective. A lot more enjoyable for us a players. Eve isn't real. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Dracnys 82	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:34:56 - [4] - Quote In EVE, space has some sort of substance and it uses a fluid dynamics model. See here: Evelopedia: Acceleration
stoicfaux 5699	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:35:08 - [5] - Quote Because EVE spaceships do not use Netwonian engines. Otherwise, we would also need to carry fuel (reaction mass) to move at sub-light speeds. Do you really want to see gas/petrol stations floating at every stargate and space station? Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
stoicfaux 5699	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:37:47 - [6] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: So im hwre in my physics 111 university physics Also, ~~recommended~~ required reading to continue your science of spaceships education: Atomic Rockets/Project Rho You'll want to click on the "Click to Show Topics" bar towards the top of the screen. Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Shederov Blood Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1625	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:40:53 - [7] - Quote NEWTON TOO STRONK! Who put the goat in there?
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 13277	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:43:35 - [8] - Quote EVE uses a fluidic physics model, that's all. Drag exists in this universe. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1773	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:49:24 - [9] - Quote hell, even in realspace.... good luck finding somewhere that has zero net force. if you do, send a postcard. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Jackie Fisher Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate 439	Posted - 2015.06.02 14:55:08 - [10] - Quote Eve is full of tears = fluid dynamics Fear God and Thread Nought
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 183	Posted - 2015.06.02 15:16:30 - [11] - Quote Then why dont we sink? And my professor is now talking about fluid resistance and terminal speed and then low speed fluid friction. I think that "submarine phyaics" is still wrong. Its not underwater physics either according to my professor
stoicfaux 5699	Posted - 2015.06.02 15:38:12 - [12] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Then why dont we sink? And my professor is now talking about fluid resistance and terminal speed and then low speed fluid friction. I think that "submarine phyaics" is still wrong. Its not underwater physics either according to my professor Uhm, people tend to learn and retain information better if they're not distracted, i.e. posting on web forums during class is probably not the best way to spend your academic time and money. Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 13279	Posted - 2015.06.02 15:40:50 - [13] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Then why dont we sink? Because there's no gravity? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 306	Posted - 2015.06.02 15:43:26 - [14] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Because EVE spaceships do not use Netwonian engines. Otherwise, we would also need to carry fuel (reaction mass) to move at sub-light speeds. Do you really want to see gas/petrol stations floating at every stargate and space station? eve is in a time and even by ccp mechanics of nuclear and fusion reactors.....they did have 23k years since the closing of the eve game along with rediscovered tech compared to our few hundred years here on earth with tech. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 183	Posted - 2015.06.02 16:09:31 - [15] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Then why dont we sink? Because there's no gravity? Kinda makes sense. But the stations and planets and suns have gravity so we should constantly "sink/slide" towards that stuff when we shut off our engines
Vamp Hakuli Dead Of Night 26	Posted - 2015.06.02 16:20:03 - [16] - Quote also please remember.....its a GAME. do you really want true to physics games? minmatar may be better off as they could use there solar panels for power and just use gravity wells/planet gravity to slingshot around, and remember just because you stop warping you have told the ship to stop, so the ships computer works out the retro thrusters to keep you in position :)
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1099	Posted - 2015.06.02 16:23:45 - [17] - Quote It depends how you look at it: Gameplay: CCP tried to create a game where the people actually see each other and can fight in a limited area of space and not fly by or collide at 0.5x the speed of light. Physics: It's completely nuts Lore: Something something warpdrive crates friction against the fabric of space something the Code ALWAYS wins
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 16067	Posted - 2015.06.02 16:25:48 - [18] - Quote Space is a liquid Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Stacy Lone University of Caille Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2015.06.02 16:37:45 - [19] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: So im hwre in my physics 111 university physics with calculus and we are learning that an object with zero net force will have constant velocity. Why dont my spaceship keep going at like 2km a sec when i turn off my microwarp drive? Thanks Because gameplay. If we were to have "real" (or at least, more real then now) physics, combat gameplay would be ridiculuos and not fun. Have you ever played Kerbal Space program? If not, then do it. And then come back and decide if you really want to have "physics"in the game. KSp is fun, no question. But it wouldnt make sense for EVE. Some things simply have to be simplyfied to be fun.
DaReaper Net 7 2136	Posted - 2015.06.02 16:53:23 - [20] - Quote ... sigh... There are a few ways to explain this from in game percpective. MWD and AB produce a type of drag so when you deactivate your ship still has traces of this drag force on it that slows it down. Or your ship has minit reverse thrusters that kick in when you shut off the mwd. But i prefer to go with the WMD produces drag. Stations and things would remain in orbit with micro thrusters. When would enable it to keep orbit as said orbit decays. Or you look at it like this... Its a bloody game. who the hells cares? OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 21587	Posted - 2015.06.02 17:04:44 - [21] - Quote CAM/P must be running low on drama material to need to resort to the old "why physics not right in fluid universe space submarine game??!!?!" thread topic. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 142	Posted - 2015.06.02 17:15:23 - [22] - Quote Last time I checked, gases were considered fluids. Seems a lot of hot air around here ;)
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4067	Posted - 2015.06.02 17:36:06 - [23] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: EVE uses a fluidic physics model, that's all. Drag exists in this universe. That's why Minmatar ships are the most technologically advanced of all. They can fly through the fluid at tremendous speeds, but never lose any of their fragile solar sails or spiky antenna thingies. Another fact: The game doesn't represent it, but every ship has a swim bladder, like a fish. It gives the ship neutral buoyancy, so they won't float up or sink down in the fluid. There was once a thread in Features & Ideas asking for swim bladder damage effects to be added to the game. Some people even wanted bladder buoyancy control added, for an extra dimension of ship-handling in PVP. But unfortunately, the ideas didn't go anywhere. You're trying to conquer me You never will conquer me -Delroy Wilson
Tollen Gallen Glory of Reprisal Enterprise 9111	Posted - 2015.06.02 17:43:40 - [24] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: EVE uses a fluidic physics model, that's all. Drag exists in this universe. That's why Minmatar ships are the most technologically advanced of all. They can fly through the fluid at tremendous speeds, but never lose any of their fragile solar sails or spiky antenna thingies. Another fact: The game doesn't represent it, but every ship has a swim bladder, like a fish. It gives the ship neutral buoyancy, so they won't float up or sink down in the fluid. There was once a thread in Features & Ideas asking for swim bladder damage effects to be added to the game. Some people even wanted bladder buoyancy control added, for an extra dimension of ship-handling in PVP. But unfortunately, the ideas didn't go anywhere. so it Sunk? I like HumBugs. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
Vortexo VonBrenner kaldasti sjo sigla 1939	Posted - 2015.06.02 19:31:51 - [25] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Then why dont we sink? Oh, but we do. General Discussion is proof of that. I need to check out Hello Kitty Island Adventure. It must be a good game as people in EvE tell me all the time that I should be playing it.
Frostys Virpio Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1849	Posted - 2015.06.02 19:38:05 - [26] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Then why dont we sink? Because there's no gravity? There is unless every thing somehow has no mass.
Big Lynx 1577	Posted - 2015.06.02 19:44:24 - [27] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Why dont my spaceship keep going at like 2km a sec when i turn off my microwarp drive? Thanks air resistance.
Lilliana Stelles 1390	Posted - 2015.06.02 19:49:46 - [28] - Quote The best answer I've heard: Warp drives create drag. They anchor you in space. Warp drives are always on and cannot be turned off without exploding. Therefore when you're traveling at sublight speed you're always fighting against the force of warp drag. Not a forum alt.-á
Degnar Oskold Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 164	Posted - 2015.06.02 19:56:13 - [29] - Quote Or a simpler explanation: CONCORD mandates that all ships operate with Inertial Dampening. Meaning that unless a force is being applied by the engines, the ship will slow down, and ships are restricted to a maximum velocity. This makes sure that CONCORD can always catch every ship.
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 199	Posted - 2015.06.02 23:21:07 - [30] - Quote Virtually speaking? Newton didn't own a computer. Had he played computer games he'd have revised all his laws. I survived Win95

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