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Dark Avatar
Caldari The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.18 01:19:00 -
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Every citizen of the state considers what it means to be Caldari. Every citizen must ponder that epic struggle to break free from the Federation all those years ago. Every citizen truly worthy of the name Caldari must hold their heads high to live with their hearts full of pride and their action full of honour. Every worthy citizen lives free, but with respect for their people. Everyone in this great state must stand tall to be better than the Federation they left behind.
Yet now the foundation of honour, the foundation of respect that makes our state great is being shaken to the very core. So today, I approach you to give word of an incident that should never have occurred. I give word of an incident that tears at the honour of our State inflicted by a member of CAIN.
Respect. Honour. Both have become the cornerstone of our state and the bedrock of our culture. To respect someone is not to agree with them, rather to agree that we all have a place together despite our varied beliefs. To honour someone is to give them the credit they deserve based on their station. As a gentleman of the state, would it not be appropriate to offer a woman the respect and honour she deserves? Would you not give unto them the treatment you would expect others to bestow on your own wife?
On this dark day, the self-proclaimed ôState Military Reserve" have declared resoundingly that honour and respect are not features held by their finest. Recently even, a captain of their organization disrespected a reputable lady. Despite his rank, race, and creed, he resorted to hurling slanderous abuse and unspeakable insult.
Is this kind of treatment to be expected from CAIN, the honourable defenders of the State? Is this an acceptable act among their leadership to lower themselves so? Should it be tolerated?
Instead of living up to the respect and adoration accorded him by his rank, he resorted to guttural jabs and immature words best saved for common hooligans and thugs. In a vain attempt to belittle a woman to feel stronger and more capable, we see the true nature of CAIN. And now, I wonder where he sits. Hidden, is the answer, hiding away from the war that was declared against his corporation. Is this who will defend the state? Those who would hide? They are little better than the ravaging pirates wandering Aunanen. This man should not be in a place of respect, and nor should those that would condone his actions.
What say you, citizens of the state?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.18 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 18/11/2006 01:32:15
Why should CAIN show respect towards murders, drug traffickers, terrorists or outlaws? Hell, pilots who fall in the there mentioned categories often don't even show that towards each other. -----
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.18 01:43:00 -
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I have no idea what you are talking about, but you lost any claim to citizenship in the State when you threw your lot in with the Guristas -- so do not say "our State," Avatar. And if anyone impugned the "honor" of your Napthalia, it was her when she turned to a life of crime as a murderer and a cutthroat. Spare us your grandstanding and "disgrace."
Women are not delicate flowers -- not I, and certainly not Napthalia, who I am assuming you are referring to. She does not need you to rush to her defense over a few words. When you see a Serpentis spokesman saying the same thing as I am, perhaps that is a sign you are making a fool of yourself. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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Svanh Mickahl
Infinite Dreams Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.18 01:45:00 -
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I must say it was difficult top contain my laughter at seeing a pirate group dare to question the actions of another, truly a good laugh thank you. You should consider taking this comedy routine to the Gallante, I am sure it would be a holoreel very quickly.
As for your accusations, I see a lot of inuendo but no facts, what was the incident, what words where said?
Finally you seem to think that since this person is a women, she is deserving of some special consideration due to this fact. The Caldari people, first and foremost value work and duty, not the sexuality of a person.
With a few facts this might be worth discussion if it came from someone that had a reputation worthy of consideration. A pirate making vague accusations smacks of propoganda.
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Van Cleef
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.18 01:45:00 -
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The Black Rabbits, who have stated that they will kill any and all pilots that enter into "their" space, which is State Soverign space, is attempting to call into the morality of the Reserve, which has defended the Caldari way for many years?
Your self proclaimed pirates and terrorists who MURDER people......
Thats rich, I was having a long day - and this laugh just turned it around. ------------------------------------------------
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Naphtalia
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.18 01:46:00 -
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I don't think Dark Avatar mentioned any names, but it wasn't me he is refering to.. I am not getting involved in this discussion but would like to quench any further speculation.
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Dark Avatar
Caldari The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.18 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Avatar on 18/11/2006 02:22:43 Joshua Foiritain, Van Cleef The issue in question here is that the CAIN captain in question was willing to drop to the levels of a common pirate. To fight his own battle of words, he dropped his standards. Now once or twice he will get away with it, it will go perhaps unnoticed. But if he constantly lowers his standards to that of the common thug then does he not become one of them and thus the state is fighting piracy..... with pirates? If the state has ideals and values that its members subscribe to, should he not abide by them; fight for what he believes in using what he believes in? Maintaining the common standards throughout the state?
Svanh Mickahl The person(s) in question knows all too well about the incident. Though, this is; I am sure just one example of many such incidents that go unnoticed. As to the sexuality of the person, you are correct in assuming that Caldari put work and profit first, but at the same time honour binds them to their duty. That same honour that they use to show respect to others. If they loose that, they become the common dog.
So to answer your question, yes I value profit and work but if you ask anyone that has ever spoken with me. I have never dishonoured them for being a living person.
I do not hide the fact that I am a pirate, but to dishonour someone during negotiations means I would loose the last thing that I treasure, yet I find is a powerful tool. My word.
If I ransomed a pod pilot, for his ship or his life, I give him the simple option to surrender isk or his ship. He pays me. Then what if I were to open fire and destroy his ship? I would never be trusted again.
I hold respect very dear to my heart as do the majority of the caldari population. Regardless of their occupation, I think you will find that at the very core, we all possess many of the same virtues.
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.18 03:25:00 -
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Of course, you still can't give any specifics about this oh-so-sordid incident, so your repeated protests continue to get even more ludicrous.
Is this what you're sinking to now? At least out-and-out piracy is...."honest." -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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Hitomi Ayame
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Posted - 2006.11.18 04:43:00 -
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I must say, my sentiments mimic those who spoke before me. To hear a pirate, traitor, and outlaw speak of honor is truly a great jest and a grave insult.
If the man of whom you speak has acted dishonorably, then he will be judged by God and his honorable peers. - - - Hitomi Ayame, Lady Marshal, RKOK Executor, KHAN
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.18 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hitomi Ayame I must say, my sentiments mimic those who spoke before me. To hear a pirate, traitor, and outlaw speak of honor is truly a great jest and a grave insult.
You do not need to be "good" to be "honorable." Anyone could be honest and fair in their dealings with others, but nobody can convince me that they are a morally upright person, because in a way that's just narcissism. The definition of "honor" gets a bit flawed when people start adjusting the standards to their level.
I'm still not following this thread however, nor do I recognize who Dark is talking about and why this person demands so much attention.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.18 05:19:00 -
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Dude you're a pirate who the **** cares tbh. If your enemy needs to fight the fight with words return them with bullets. I thought crying like a little child was left to those who suckle on the **** of the corrupt governments in power, not for a freedom fighter. You disgrace yourself with such moaning.
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Davlos
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.18 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Avatar a reputable lady
I find it amusing that a "reputable lady" would need to have a representative to air her grieviances in this manner.
If she is truly that reputable, I'd prefer her to come out to defend herself instead of the multitudes of vague insinuations. ---------------
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.18 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Why should CAIN show respect towards murders, drug traffickers, terrorists or outlaws? Hell, pilots who fall in the there mentioned categories often don't even show that towards each other.
Exactly. You claim to be Guristas, yet if that's true, you'd know your 'leaders' (well, I should say leader) showed that things like honor and respect are not something they care about. Your views are so horribly mangled and distorted that it's not hard to know who, or what, caused it.
It's funny though, you talk about living up to someone's rank. I find that ironic coming from one who 'lives up to their rank' as long as they shoot anyone that refuses to be extorted.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.18 06:23:00 -
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Um.
You held a public address to complain about some petty insult? Not a betrayal, theft, attack, or anything...but rather an insult?
I remember when I couldn't let something like that go...I was eight years old.
Since then, I've gained a shred of perspective, maybe you should too.
I'll be filing a petition with the CBT, demanding the past two minutes of my life back. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
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Horatio Nately
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.11.18 07:08:00 -
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I don't believe you're in a position to talk about petty words when you're a self proclaimed pirate and pirate supporter. ---------------------------------------
What Alt?
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Daryl Xero
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.18 07:16:00 -
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Honor among thieves...? From the Guristas? Interesting. And a bit unexpected, but so be it.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.18 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Um.
You held a public address to complain about some petty insult? Not a betrayal, theft, attack, or anything...but rather an insult?
I remember when I couldn't let something like that go...I was eight years old.
Since then, I've gained a shred of perspective, maybe you should too.
I'll be filing a petition with the CBT, demanding the past two minutes of my life back.
Back in your box Nikolai. When you can survive undocking in Mito for more than two minutes you'll have the right to express opinions about the things that happen there.
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Estelle Matsuko
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.18 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Davlos
Originally by: Dark Avatar a reputable lady
I find it amusing that a "reputable lady" would need to have a representative to air her grieviances in this manner.
If she is truly that reputable, I'd prefer her to come out to defend herself instead of the multitudes of vague insinuations.
Davlos, while I question the wisdom of the Black Rabbits choosing in this case to war with words instead of thier normal, much much more efficient method of hunting down and podkilling people who insult one of thier own, I question your right to prefer anything.
You deserted your corporation and alliance during wartime so that some of the very people you now feel free to insult couldnŠt shoot at you.
DonŠt question someone elses reputation when yourŠs is so heavily tarnished deserter.
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Strikeclone
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.18 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Strikeclone on 18/11/2006 11:37:22 Dark Avatar, my old friend, my fallen comrade
I will not devolve into the irony of a self confessed outlaw, pirate etc calling out someone due to "honour" etc
I will however point out that cain have not lost their way, they are right on the same track they have always been on.
In recent times they have pulled out of an alliance because others in that alliance objected to cain dominating the alliance. And not for the first time I might add.
They did this in the middle of war, abandoning their comrades, no doubt any decent organisation would have been big enough to put aside personal disputes in order to fight the common cause.
Contrary to common belief cain pilots are not paragons of virtue, a few months ago I attempted to open a dialog with them and others in the KD alliance in an attempt to clear up old issues and present a united front. they sabotaged the my efforts, as has been confirmed by several separate sources inside KD. why did they do this I wonder? in truth I am not sure, but if I were to hazard a guess I would say that they lack the humility to face the fact that in many ways they were wrong.
In any case do not look to cain for honour or respect, you will find none. why? because you are not fawning and bowing and scraping to them.
finally cain are showing their true colours.
"Peace through the application of fingers in ears and humming real loud" Hoist Battle Ensigns |
Davlos
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.18 12:09:00 -
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My employment in Omerta should make it abundantly clear if it wasn't already, that I no longer have much love for the State.
Yes, I am a deserter.
And yes, just like you, I am proud to be one. ---------------
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.18 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Davlos If she is truly that reputable, I'd prefer her to come out to defend herself instead of the multitudes of vague insinuations.
As you defended your self and your loyalty to the State? I think the Lady in question has rather more taste and discretion than cringing in Stations and hunting through the datalinks as your example would suggest.
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.18 13:23:00 -
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I'm fairly sure Davlos was making a point about the behaviour of reputable people, whilst hardly placing himself in that category. Maybe once we wean him out of Rifters he can earn a name for himself...
Nooey grins broadly as he recalls the humble Rifter in question, before his gaze becomes more serious yet again.
You can attack his past if you like. He and the rest of Omerta are interested only in the future. His is a future now without blind loyalty to a decayed and corrupted ideal - of this you Fractionists should be happy. You have shown him a truth we have wanted many to see for a long time. Why you would call him a deserter of the State as if it were some insult is beyond us, yet ultimately not our concern.
I have instructed Omerta pilots to refrain from any further comment on this matter in respect of the original topic this thread was intended for - if you wish to make any further comment in this regard I cannot guarantee it will be seen or addressed.
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Van Cleef
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.18 23:19:00 -
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Strikeclone, why is it every thread about CAIN you have to add your two cents in?
First, since you seem to want to air dirty laundry in public, lets. CAIN was part of the TKI Alliance, and I was with CAIN during that period. You claim that we tried to control the Alliance, but as I remember correctly, it wasn't CAIN that threatened to pod everyone in the Alliance everytime they didn't get their way. It wasn't CAIN who, while in the Alliance, decided to go off and start randomly killing (Ala PIRATE), in low security space. Who might this have been?
That's right - CAG, who was in charge of CAG, You.
Second, we did not sabotage any communicative efforts, you did a great job all by yourself on that one. Every chat was posted on the KD forums, and while I no longer have access to that information, I'm sure one of your sources in KD can and will provide that to you.
For the last time - Strikeclone and CAIN are history - let it remain history where it belongs. ------------------------------------------------
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Strikeclone
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Van Cleef Strikeclone, why is it every thread about CAIN you have to add your two cents in?
Because I have every right too same as you.
Originally by: Van Cleef
First, since you seem to want to air dirty laundry in public, lets. CAIN was part of the TKI Alliance, and I was with CAIN during that period. You claim that we tried to control the Alliance, but as I remember correctly, it wasn't CAIN that threatened to pod everyone in the Alliance everytime they didn't get their way. It wasn't CAIN who, while in the Alliance, decided to go off and start randomly killing (Ala PIRATE), in low security space. Who might this have been?
That's right - CAG, who was in charge of CAG, You.
I never threatened to pod anyone in the alliance, and we (CAG) didn't leave the instant we didn't get our own way. Furthermore I know how you love to trwist events to suit your own views, but if you was important enough in the ranks at that time you will recall that those isolated "piracy" events were not infact committed by CAG, but by a few rogue CAG pilots who were leaving CAG to join a pirate corp. They disobeyed direct orders to not engage in piracy until CAG had finished leaving TKI, unfortunately they decided to pirate within the last few hours of the count down timer.
Hardly rampant piracy committed in the name of TKI.
Originally by: Van Cleef
Second, we did not sabotage any communicative efforts, you did a great job all by yourself on that one. Every chat was posted on the KD forums, and while I no longer have access to that information, I'm sure one of your sources in KD can and will provide that to you.
I have every evemail I received from the dialogue with the KD rep. Andinformation from within KD fingered the sabotage efforts.
Originally by: Van Cleef
For the last time - Strikeclone and CAIN are history - let it remain history where it belongs.
If only this was the case, I tried to sort things out with you lot but you didn't want to know and actually went out of your way to sabotage my efforts. I would be content to let things lie but unfotunately nearly everytime I raise my head on IGS one of your cain groupies has to spout off and bring up old hatchets.
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Van Cleef
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.19 02:02:00 -
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Strikeclone you can convo me, evemail me, or whatever you need to do to get in touch, but I will not derail this thread into a Strikeclone / CAIN thread no matter how ridiculous the first poster was. ------------------------------------------------
CEO and Admiral of the Fleet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM |
Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.20 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey I'm fairly sure Davlos was making a point about the behaviour of reputable people, whilst hardly placing himself in that category. Maybe once we wean him out of Rifters he can earn a name for himself...
What? He was at very least flying Stabbers with me, what did you do to him? --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.20 10:01:00 -
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Caldari Citizens, Have CAIN lost their way?
From my point of view absolutely not.
CEO
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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