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Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.18 04:06:00 -
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I've been hearing many different things about roids and the way they respawn. Many alliances have rules about popping different kinds. I was wondering if anyone has studied the effects of popping different types of roids. Any information would be helpful. I've heard enough rummors, I need some facts. ____________________________________________________________________]
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2006.11.18 06:08:00 -
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It's been studied to death. Go ahead, pop the roids, there's no point in saving them other than annoying other miners who come to find a near-empty rock. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Kojiami
Dark Empire Fleet Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.18 21:09:00 -
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Oh god, there is nothing more annoying. I run up to a roid in a mineageddon, mine 150 prime ark or so (Too little to pull a hauler out for and too much to take in the geddons hold), and than the roid pops, and the next one is 80 km away...
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.19 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition It's been studied to death. Go ahead, pop the roids, there's no point in saving them other than annoying other miners who come to find a near-empty rock.
QFT!
Originally by: Kojiami
Oh god, there is nothing more annoying. I run up to a roid in a mineageddon, mine 150 prime ark or so (Too little to pull a hauler out for and too much to take in the geddons hold), and than the roid pops, and the next one is 80 km away...
QFT!
POP THE ROCKS. It's an old myth. There was even a dev post somewhere where he said that new ore distribution/respawn is absolutely not effected by the amount of ore left in the roid.
=================================== Above comments are my personal views
Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Athena Starfire
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.19 09:18:00 -
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I love getting my rocks off :)
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Creation Alexarr
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: hydraSlav
POP THE ROCKS. It's an old myth. There was even a dev post somewhere where he said that new ore distribution/respawn is absolutely not effected by the amount of ore left in the roid.
could you link the post please?
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Theodwyn
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Posted - 2006.11.20 22:01:00 -
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do not pop them, because if they respawn, there is a little change, that they will get better ore in.
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Erodmos
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Posted - 2006.11.20 23:25:00 -
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I have studied it some time ago on Dark Ochre roids. The result was its better to popp the roids.
The roids repop and regrow only every few days, but on the same days for repopping and regrowth. A repopped Ochre roid had ~1000 units Ochre in it, a regrowed roid got ~500 units added. So over all you will get more mined out of a belt if you pop the roids all the time. As far as i know its the same pattern for all higher end roids.
Erodmos
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Serenity Steele
Rearden Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.20 23:37:00 -
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IIRC the deal was new roids spawn by type according to a forumula based on security status.
So popping low-end roids in no-sec resulted in a better probability of better ones appearing, however poping high-end roids did have a small but possible chance of a poorer one appearing.
That's ofc IIRC.
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Dei
Crystaline Green Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.11.21 02:44:00 -
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Personally, I would not pop the rocks, that way you might make the obsessive miners leave the local system after a few weeks because they can't be bothered to stick a survey scanner in.
From personal experience, I don't think it really matters, but it's quicker if you stop mining if there's 1 piece of whatever in the rock. Let someone else waste 3 minutes of their life...
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Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
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Posted - 2006.11.21 05:42:00 -
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I recall something similar to what Serenity was saying. Popping bad roids i believe was a good thing, as there was a slight chance that when it respawned, it would be a better type. But once you HAVE the better roid there, not popping it kept it there, to eliminate the chance of a lower roid taking its place. This would allow you to actually cultivate the belts, you could go in and strip out the weeds (veldspar) and hope it would allow some better plants to grow.
Of course, I was never patient enough to try really cultivating a belt, as I got bored and liked to move around a lot. And like all things in eve (for us old timers), it may be completely different than i remember.
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.21 14:08:00 -
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The roid placeholders are always same and always in same space. If a belt has 3 Crystalline Crokite and 2 Crokite rocks, it will always have 3 Crystalline Crokite and 2 Crokite rocks after the respawn, popped or not. There is no such thing as "better" rocks. The concentration of rocks in the belts is constant and does not change (at least for the high end rocks in 0.0)
I will now spend the rest of my working day looking for the dev post confirming this...
=================================== Above comments are my personal views
Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.21 14:40:00 -
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1/ Roids DO NOT change type. At all. Ever. They even respawn in exactly the same spot.
2/ Popped roids, when they respawn, are almost always larger than the 'control' roids that were mined down to <10 units. Of course the trade off is that then you have to mine a 'large' chunk once every week or two, than small snippets every couple of days.
3/ roids regen twice weekly.
This is something one of my corpmate has tested extensively in a 0.0 system.
I believe, but couldn't cite definitively that regen is linked to total of that ore mined across the universe.
I also believe that the total m3 in a belt is capped, so veldspar roids are worth popping to avoid them limiting the regen of the other roids.
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.21 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus 1/ Roids DO NOT change type. At all. Ever. They even respawn in exactly the same spot.
2/ Popped roids, when they respawn, are almost always larger than the 'control' roids that were mined down to <10 units. Of course the trade off is that then you have to mine a 'large' chunk once every week or two, than small snippets every couple of days.
3/ roids regen twice weekly.
This is something one of my corpmate has tested extensively in a 0.0 system.
I confirm all the above
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I believe, but couldn't cite definitively that regen is linked to total of that ore mined across the universe.
This is mentioned in the dev post i am trying to find
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I also believe that the total m3 in a belt is capped, so veldspar roids are worth popping to avoid them limiting the regen of the other roids.
That's new for me :) Thanks for the tip
=================================== Above comments are my personal views
Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:15:00 -
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OK, i've went back 51 pages on this forum but couldn't find that post (if anyone wants to try, it was in another thread about roid popping, and someone posted a link to a dev reply on the subject [the dev reply could have even been from another forum section])
However, i did find the reason from where this whole "omg don't pop the roids!!!" nonsense came from: Link to thread
Originally by: "Taaketa Frist"
The problem with some people is that ark and bistot used to exist in .4 systems. After those started to get mine the devs set them to not respawn so they were essentially mined out.
People then believed from that point that roids "dried" up and they needed to be conserved. For awhile ark and bistot remained in the belts solely by keeping them in low units and waiting for regrowth (they wouldn't have respawned if they were popped)
However simply because this was never common knowledge the roids did get popped in th end. Or so that is my understanding of where the "OMG DON'T POP THE ROIDS NOOB!" came from. In 0.0 it doesn't matter, you pop them.
=================================== Above comments are my personal views
Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Mikron Alexarr
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.24 00:24:00 -
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thank you to all the replies. I feel much more informed on the topic. ____________________________________________________________________]
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