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Amakall
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Posted - 2006.11.19 07:33:00 -
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I have along the way fallen in love with the Faction ships. The Worm frigate I was using and the Gila I use now are awesome. But the next step if I follow the chain is the Rattlesnake and they arent exactly flooding the market. Im curious, is the Rattlensnake even remotely comparable to the Navy Raven, seems like the Rattlesnake is better when I compare stats. I plan to take my time and raise my skills until I can be a Shield Tanking Missile ***** Seems all PvP minded discussions center mostly around the Navy Raven, is that because they are around and the Rattlesnake isnt realistic, Will I be able to find one even if I decide its worth it ? Any help is appreciated, Ill be flying the Gila for a while either way but I wanna plan ahead.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.19 08:04:00 -
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RS Solo PVP, NR PVE and PVP if u want, its 7 instead of 6 launchers, 13% more damage. RS has similar dmg to a normal raven.
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Kelgen Thann
SUBLIME L.L.C. Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.19 08:13:00 -
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For PvP neither. Don't use faction ships in PVP. It's suicidal. You will be primary and will be attacked first every time. If you can guarentee 1v1 then use CNR. But if you want to use it in small gangs, large gangs, fleets, 1 vs a sall gang, 1v2 1v3 then do not use faction ships especially faction BS in pvp.
Trust me on this you don't want to it will cost you toooo much. use hacs, or command ships over faction BS.
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Rorix Whitecloud
Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.19 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kelgen Thann For PvP neither. Don't use faction ships in PVP. It's suicidal. You will be primary and will be attacked first every time. If you can guarentee 1v1 then use CNR. But if you want to use it in small gangs, large gangs, fleets, 1 vs a sall gang, 1v2 1v3 then do not use faction ships especially faction BS in pvp.
Trust me on this you don't want to it will cost you toooo much. use hacs, or command ships over faction BS.
I guess you havent seen Farjung's Wave Of Mutilation II video, have you? ;)
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FraXy
Devils Rejects
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Posted - 2006.11.19 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: FraXy on 19/11/2006 08:31:42 I thought about buying either when i still owned my Caldari alt, but i sold him.
The guideline i came up with the Rattlesnake was really only worth it if u could run a Gist X-Type XL tank without 'external' cap.
External would mean Cap Boosters or Nosferatu.
Only way to achieve that is to spend quite a few billion on Officer PDUs that increase cap recharge by say 13% or 15% so u can run a sustainable Gist XL tank under atleast 3 heavy nos.
If u can`t take on that expense then a CNR will tank just as good as a Rattlesnake with 1 less Heavy Nos and maybe 10 HP/sec passive regen in return for a 7.th launcher which is worth it. Also a CNR is almost a bill cheaper.
The setup i had in mind for a CNR is something like this:
7x Cruise Missile II, (Heavy Diminishing Nos)* Gist X-Type XL, 2x Gist X-Type SB Amp, 2x Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field, 'Officer' Cap Booster 2x Dread Guristas BCU, 1x True Sansha PDU, 1x Internal Force Field Array I, Co-Processor II
Forgive any errors, this is from memory.
* Can`t remember if this fits alongside the Cap Booster
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Nocturnal Avenger
untaught Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.19 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell RS Solo PVP, NR PVE and PVP if u want, its 7 instead of 6 launchers, 13% more damage.
Nope - given your statement, CNR has 1/6 more damage than RS - thus 16,67%.
*wondering how you came out with 13%*
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Shardrael on 19/11/2006 15:11:35 why is it that everyone ignores the RoF bonus on the rattler when comparing it to the navy raven ? and the extra low slot that could hold one extra dmg mod?
I know the navy raven will always have that much more of an alpha strike, but I would think the rattler wouldnt have many problems to out dps it
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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Ariel Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.19 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael Edited by: Shardrael on 19/11/2006 15:11:35 why is it that everyone ignores the RoF bonus on the rattler when comparing it to the navy raven ? and the extra low slot that could hold one extra dmg mod?
Rattlesnake and Raven have the exact same bonuses @ Caldari Battleship 5 if you ignore the bonus to hybrids. Both of the ships easily fit 3 damage mods, using the RS's extra low for a 4th one doesn't add enough damage to write home about.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.19 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: Roxanna Kell RS Solo PVP, NR PVE and PVP if u want, its 7 instead of 6 launchers, 13% more damage.
Nope - given your statement, CNR has 1/6 more damage than RS - thus 16,67%.
*wondering how you came out with 13%*
i didn't really pull out a calculator when i wrote that.
whats the point of buying a really good ship if you are not gonna use it for pvp? I mean rats are easy enogh as they stand.
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Father Weebles
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.11.20 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rorix Whitecloud
Originally by: Kelgen Thann For PvP neither. Don't use faction ships in PVP. It's suicidal. You will be primary and will be attacked first every time. If you can guarentee 1v1 then use CNR. But if you want to use it in small gangs, large gangs, fleets, 1 vs a sall gang, 1v2 1v3 then do not use faction ships especially faction BS in pvp.
Trust me on this you don't want to it will cost you toooo much. use hacs, or command ships over faction BS.
I guess you havent seen Farjung's Wave Of Mutilation II video, have you? ;)
yes but he has a covert ops alt apparently which makes the whole mwding to target much easier
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FraXy
Devils Rejects
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Posted - 2006.11.20 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Father Weebles
Originally by: Rorix Whitecloud
Originally by: Kelgen Thann For PvP neither. Don't use faction ships in PVP. It's suicidal. You will be primary and will be attacked first every time. If you can guarentee 1v1 then use CNR. But if you want to use it in small gangs, large gangs, fleets, 1 vs a sall gang, 1v2 1v3 then do not use faction ships especially faction BS in pvp.
Trust me on this you don't want to it will cost you toooo much. use hacs, or command ships over faction BS.
I guess you havent seen Farjung's Wave Of Mutilation II video, have you? ;)
yes but he has a covert ops alt apparently which makes the whole mwding to target much easier
Which he used 2 times in the Wave of Mutilation 2 vid, both in low-sec to engage a superiour camp.
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.20 04:38:00 -
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my bad I had thought for some reason the cnr had a different bonus, meh screw the missle users anyways
rust powah!!
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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