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Moyra Rumsfeld
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Posted - 2006.11.20 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ki'ath Jahra The Rokh is the new, better Dominix.
4 Heavy Nos, 4 Cruise Launchers 1 MWD, 5 ECM/Sensor damps And Nanos! What fun!
Thanks a bunch!
*dies*
Haha ! I kill this easy with a passive fitted ferox (5 tech 2 extenders in meds, 2-3 shield power relays in lows) using f.o.f heavy missile !!! This Rokh would just melt away ! And 4 cruise launchers with no missile bonus and no bcus = rofl, a tech 1 cruiser can tank that !!
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Griever Takkow
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Posted - 2006.11.20 17:37:00 -
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So why doesnt everyone just do that with a Raven?
Exact same fit but a launcher bonus........
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Khan Soriano
Beach Boys
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Posted - 2006.11.20 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Griever Takkow So why doesnt everyone just do that with a Raven?
Exact same fit but a launcher bonus........
Because its not the dmg that counts but tanking & nosing!!! Also fittings could be a little tight I think.
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Griever Takkow
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Posted - 2006.11.20 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Khan Soriano
Originally by: Griever Takkow So why doesnt everyone just do that with a Raven?
Exact same fit but a launcher bonus........
Because its not the dmg that counts but tanking & nosing!!! Also fittings could be a little tight I think.
I dont think tanking really comes into it when uve fitted 5 ECM and an MWD in your mids.
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Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:00:00 -
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Last night I was asleep and I heard a crash and I get up and my TV was gone, I believe a nano'd nos/cruise/damp Rokh did it.. CCP please help!
Quote:
Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:05:00 -
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Well, does it really come as a surprise to people that nosferatus in conjunction with non-cap using weapons tend to be a bit above other more conventional set ups? - EVE is sick. |
Khan Soriano
Beach Boys
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Griever Takkow
Originally by: Khan Soriano
Originally by: Griever Takkow So why doesnt everyone just do that with a Raven?
Exact same fit but a launcher bonus........
Because its not the dmg that counts but tanking & nosing!!! Also fittings could be a little tight I think.
I dont think tanking really comes into it when uve fitted 5 ECM and an MWD in your mids.
I thought in Kali we wouldnt have a problem with ECM anymore?
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Dixon
Caldari Hells Donkeys
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin Well, does it really come as a surprise to people that nosferatus in conjunction with non-cap using weapons tend to be a bit above other more conventional set ups?
No, but it's surprising how long this has been going on. Should have been nerfed ages ago. - - - - - -
Originally by: Ath Amon as long as there will be such umbalance there is no hope to make ships balanced...
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maarud
Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:27:00 -
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It's going to be so funny when the people on this forum who are going "omg, ECM isn't as good any more it got nerfed", get jammed to hell, cause of the boost ECM rigs give and coming to the forum and scream "nerf ECM more, nerf the rokh!!"
I'm training T2 damps and T2 ecm as we speak...
maarud.
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kalath1032
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:02:00 -
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STOP MOAN ABOUT CALDAR I SHIP WE HAVEN'T MOAN ABOUT YOUR OPED SHIPS!
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: kalath1032 STOP MOAN ABOUT CALDAR I SHIP WE HAVEN'T MOAN ABOUT YOUR OPED SHIPS!
What in the hell was that?
Also, about fits on the test server, I took out my CEO's fully T2 fitted Cerb in a Hurricane, when I started at half shields (old Hurricane, when it owned). So not everyone fits a whorish super-tanking setup. Stop fighting retards and set up some battles with people fitting like they normally would ;) ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:41:00 -
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Hell I say Nerf em all!!! I just love reading through all these whine fests lately. My Character Stats |
Imhotep Khem
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2006.11.20 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion Is there a reason I dont hear about people complaining about a nos/missile setup on a typhoon?
Because it wastes a bonus? ____ "If your not dyin' your not tryin'." "Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle |
Mirasta
Caldari Enigma Enterprises Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.20 21:38:00 -
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4 Arby seige 4 Heavy dimishing no fitting mods, Broken, Maby. The fact that i just got my ass handed to me allover by a T1 cruise raven, depressing? Yes :(
Its not broken because its not as fast and so cant avoid missile damage as well as the phoon. This setup will be great ofr your avrage belt ratter but as a ship it will be no better than a nanophoon is against a propper fitted PVP ship.
Of couse, You are now reading my sig. |
Celesta Croft
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.20 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Raynor Last night I was asleep and I heard a crash and I get up and my TV was gone, I believe a nano'd nos/cruise/damp Rokh did it.. CCP please help!
ok ok...this combined with the pro tip you gave on the previous page and I am officially lol'ing at work.
<3 u sir.
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.20 22:23:00 -
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I really dislike explaining simple stuff to people. I really do.
The Rokh is the "new Dominix" because of Kali. If the Rokh were introduced to TQ, exactly as it is now, it wouldn't be overpowered. It would simply die to ships with enough firepower. but since Kali has increased HP and decreased DPS from all the hardest hitting ships the emphasis is now placed on maximum tank efficiency, not firepower.
This is why the Rokh is so successful. It doesn't have to expend much effort to tank a high DPS ship like a Mega or Hype, and in fact it's quite easy to set up a Rokh to be able to tank 2-3 blaster ships while still having enough fitting left over for fighting/tackling.
This is also the reason the Hype is better than the Megathron. On TQ the Mega would be able to do everything the Hype can, and then some. On Kali the Hype can simply out-tank the Mega and live long enough to break the Mega's tank. It has more to do with the Kali balance changes than the design of the ship.
This is the same reason the nano Phoon or nano Domi arn't as effective as the Rokh, using the same basic setup. The Rokh doesn't have to use nanos to avoid damage. It can simply tank any damage thrown at it while slowly eating away at the targets tank.
Going over this stuff again and again is so tedious. I don't get why it's so difficult to understand. It's not that any one factor has made the Rokh overpowered, it's a combination of multiple issues that have come together to cause it to happen.
And no, the new cap fix hasn't changed a thing, it's just prolonged the death of other ships. Cap death still happens, and then the ships die, it just takes longer.
Because I said so...
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Tetovo
Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Griever Takkow So why doesnt everyone just do that with a Raven?
Exact same fit but a launcher bonus........
I tried it, it doesn't work to well. It's alright but the phoon/rokh do it 10 times better. Not enough lows.
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Leianna
Entropy Tech. Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.20 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Asariasha Oh, yes...the Rokh should be nerfed. Please give it just 1 turret and 1 launcher hardpoint, it is sooo powerful! Sorry Risien, but could you please just stfu and think before posting? Compared to a Dominix (me takes a look onto your character pic ooohoo Gallente) the Rokh will suck with this fitting. Even if you would fit Sieges, the dmg dealt would be extremely low, especially after the t2 torp nerf. So, could you please stop your whining about Caldari ships? Does anybody whine about Deimos dealing 1k wreckings or maybe about Megathrons being so versatile? Omfg, I really dislike your behaviour.
Now, dont take this the wrong way, as I dont feel the Rokh needs a nerf Every ship has its pro's and con's in any situation, this does not mean it needs to be nerfed, Risien. I had a 2 on 1 against a couple corp mates in T2 cruise ravens, with me in a rokh. My missile skills are crap, but this was my setup: -2 heavy energy neuts -3 heavy diminishing -3 arby siege -1 Xlarge shield boost -1 EM / 1 therm / 1 kin / 1 multi T2 hardeners -1 heavy cap booster w/800's -2 ballistic control II's -3 beta diagnostics -5 hammerhead I's
After the first raven went down, I was out of cap charges, but managed to kill the 2nd raven, suffering only 27% armor damage. This was a lucky situation for me, as, if the ravens had been at 60km out, I wouldnt have got a kill. My point is, fit almost any ship for a specific situation, and yes, it will do well, but chances are, you will not be the one to dictate where or when the fight occurs, and under what conditions. Just because a setup works well in a situation, does not mean that the ship in question needs to be nerfed.
@ Jim: I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that the Typhoon would be better at this style of fighting then a rokh. Even though it has bonuses for missiles, where the Rokh does not, it lacks in shield / armor HP, and ability to tank as well, imo.
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