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Xorsis Sorsapesue
Uni Transport
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Posted - 2015.06.06 00:51:25 -
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What I have seen Rifters and Claw are somewhat same with statistics, why do Claws cost so much? Have I missed something?
N00b with Napoleon complex.
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Roseline Penshar
Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass
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Posted - 2015.06.06 01:20:29 -
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Interceptor can't be bubbled, have better warp speed, have better speed, have better tank, have better align, etc |
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.06 01:22:19 -
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Xorsis Sorsapesue wrote:What I have seen Rifters and Claw are somewhat same with statistics, why do Claws cost so much? Have I missed something?
The cost is since its a T2 ship, so it need not only a T1 to make but extra materials + invented BPC to be made |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.06 05:53:15 -
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Costs more to build interceptors.
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Do Little
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.06 08:27:40 -
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Eve seems to be designed around the 80-20 rule where you get 80% of the capability for 20% of the cost. When you get into the higher meta stuff it can be 99% of the capability for 1% of the cost. But that 1% can be the difference between winning or losing.
The market determines the price - if players didn't consider them worth the premium, they wouldn't sell.
Interceptors are popular not just for their primary combat role but fit for speed and agility they are practically impossible to catch making them the safest way to travel in null-sec. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.06 08:32:44 -
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The vast majority of Interceptors are built from invented prints so the costs include: Blueprint copying Datacore & Decryptor costs Failures (if 50% of the prints fail the price of those which succeed is doubled) T1 costs (all T2 items require a T1 item to build from - in the case of the Claw a Slasher is required) Any other T1 materials (additional T1 minerals (generally Zydrine or Megacyte) are required by some prints) Moon Materials PI Materials Morphite Time Profit
There is often something of a premium on anything which is considered "better" than the alternatives and the invented T2 market can be quite slow to react so the differential between the "best in class" ship and the "why would you even fly that?" ship can get quite high (I haven't checked in a while but the Malediction had a significant premium over the Ares at one point - because the Malediction was in significantly greater demand). |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.06 08:33:00 -
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all of the above + supply & demand
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.06.06 13:37:01 -
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Cause they are Fast and Furious.
I personaly love Ceptors AU mark. +(2x HVO rigs) ... |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1847
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Posted - 2015.06.06 14:11:36 -
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I'm fast and furious too. This is actually a common complaint I get from the fat nurses I tend to bed.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Portiko
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.06 15:00:02 -
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baltec1 wrote:Costs more to build interceptors. The only correct answer in the thread |
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.06.06 17:02:57 -
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Portiko wrote:baltec1 wrote:Costs more to build interceptors. The only correct answer in the thread
I disagree.
Xorsis Sorsapesue wrote:somewhat same with statistics
He is looking at the stats and doesn't understand why you would fly the more expensive one.
To me this means he doesn't have much combat experience and does not understand the difference in performance and utility an interceptor offers.
So IMO Roseline gave the correct answer.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.06.06 21:09:12 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:
He is looking at the stats and doesn't understand why you would fly the more expensive one.
To me this means he doesn't have much combat experience and does not understand the difference in performance and utility an interceptor offers.
So IMO Roseline & Do Little gave the correct answer, or at least the one he was looking for.
The only correct answer in the thread. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.06.06 21:13:33 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I'm fast and furious too. This is actually a common complaint I get from the fat nurses I tend to bed.
The best answer in the thread.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.06.06 21:40:36 -
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Xorsis Sorsapesue wrote:What I have seen Rifters and Claw are somewhat same with statistics, why do Claws cost so much? Have I missed something? The rifter isn't the same role as claw. Try comparing slasher to claw. T2 interceptors are actually pretty damn cheap, compared to like AF's. The Hawk hull is like 26m, which is a pretty constant price. The rifter you would compare to wolf or jag for all your minmatar AF needs. Interceptors and AF's are not the same, even among their associated T1 versions.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9932
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Posted - 2015.06.06 23:00:20 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I'm fast and furious too. This is actually a common complaint I get from the fat nurses I tend to bed. The best answer in the thread. Best acknowledgement in the thread
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Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
149
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Posted - 2015.06.10 12:16:05 -
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Xorsis Sorsapesue wrote:What I have seen Rifters and Claw are somewhat same with statistics, why do Claws cost so much? Have I missed something?
Because 'ceptors do everything a T1 frig can, and much more. They also cost much more to make.
Simple as that. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.10 15:08:35 -
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Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Xorsis Sorsapesue wrote:What I have seen Rifters and Claw are somewhat same with statistics, why do Claws cost so much? Have I missed something? Because 'ceptors do everything a T1 frig can,
well, no. |
Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
149
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Posted - 2015.06.10 17:31:47 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Xorsis Sorsapesue wrote:What I have seen Rifters and Claw are somewhat same with statistics, why do Claws cost so much? Have I missed something? Because 'ceptors do everything a T1 frig can, well, no.
I didn't think i needed to mention the specialized frigs. Sure... a 'ceptor doesn't do pro target painting or ewar. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.10 19:39:54 -
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Because I like to go fast. |
Dato Koppla
Konvict Cartel The Asylum.
854
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:52:13 -
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Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Xorsis Sorsapesue wrote:What I have seen Rifters and Claw are somewhat same with statistics, why do Claws cost so much? Have I missed something? Because 'ceptors do everything a T1 frig can, well, no. I didn't think i needed to mention the specialized frigs. Sure... a 'ceptor doesn't do pro target painting or ewar.
I don't think he's talking about comparing Ceptors to EAFs.
What he means is that in terms of actual combat ability, many T1 frigs can stomp the Ceptors easily. |
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Ares Desideratus
GUILD OF DOOM MOOD UBER SWAG ETERNAL
264
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Posted - 2015.06.15 16:15:41 -
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All I know is a Crusader is garbage when it can't even out perform a Executioner. Maybe in a few years they will begin to fix some of these garbage cans. |
Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
149
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Posted - 2015.06.15 17:01:43 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Xorsis Sorsapesue wrote:What I have seen Rifters and Claw are somewhat same with statistics, why do Claws cost so much? Have I missed something? Because 'ceptors do everything a T1 frig can, well, no. I didn't think i needed to mention the specialized frigs. Sure... a 'ceptor doesn't do pro target painting or ewar. I don't think he's talking about comparing Ceptors to EAFs. What he means is that in terms of actual combat ability, many T1 frigs can stomp the Ceptors easily.
Not sure about that, though i could see a few T1 (non-faction) frigs that "could" beat an interceptor straigh up - it's far from assured.
The Long point capability of a 'ceptor makes it so that I can point with a scram from as much as three times as far as a T1 frig. Provided I can engage from that range, I can apply damage vs. a frig that has no chance of closing the gap. |
Ares Desideratus
GUILD OF DOOM MOOD UBER SWAG ETERNAL
264
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Posted - 2015.06.15 17:44:35 -
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Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Not sure about that, though i could see a few T1 (non-faction) frigs that "could" beat an interceptor straigh up - it's far from assured.
The Long point capability of a 'ceptor makes it so that I can point with a scram from as much as three times as far as a T1 frig. Provided I can engage from that range, I can apply damage vs. a frig that has no chance of closing the gap.
Some interceptors, like the Raptor, got buffed and actually have a better slot configuration than the T1 counterpart. Others, like the Crusader, have been shafted since the beginning of time, and are actually worse than the T1 counterpart. So it kind of depends on which interceptor we are talking about and which T1 frig we are talking about, because interceptors are currently not balanced. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2015.06.20 06:36:12 -
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Interceptors have more material cost, IE Tech 2 Materials from moons.
They are bubble immune. Have a MWD signature bonus Go substantially faster Point range bonus Better agility Extra statistical bonuses allocated to hull Tech 2 resists |
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