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Spaced Skunk
Yesodic Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.19 16:46:00 -
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Only flown the Ashimmu and Phantasm, please agree these ships should be better than t1 non-faction Tux, you forgot to change the powergrid to the MKII changes...fine, but they need more than what you think tbh.
If you were to update the Phantasm lets say to what the MKII Maller has, so thats 900PG (+50), its still not enough, its got more CPU I know, but thats because this uses missiles, I would have thought this ship should have the grid to fit maybe heavy pulse and have enough grid left to fit assault launchers, med injector, medium rep and afterburner. That needs an RCU though.
Proposal for Phantasm; 350 CPU/1000 (+150) PG 437.50 CPU/1250 PG (Electronics and Engineering lvl 5)
Now Ashimmu has a worse problem, medium nosferatu takes up 175 powergrid and 200 for t2. This ship fails to have a good fitting at powergrid AND CPU.
Say to fit (with electronics 5, engineering 5, advanced weapons upgrades 4); 4 X Focused Medium Pulse Laser II 1 X 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher I 2 X Medium Nosferatu II 1 X 10MN Afterburner 1 X Webber 1 X Scrambler 2 X Medium Armor Repairer II 3 X Active Hardeners 1 X Energized Adaptive Nano/Damage Control/Heat Sink etc
Your would need 1339.76 powergrid and around 420 CPU, now I need someone to agree with me that this setup would not be overpowered, which I dont beleive it is. Infact, I would love it if this ship could actually fit 4 heavy pulse, and around 2 med nos.
So I propose;
340 CPU (+ 40)/1100 (+250) PG 425 CPU/1375 PG (Electronics and Engineering lvl 5)
The other faction cruisers need more grid too.
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Ed Gein
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.19 17:06:00 -
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Yeah, the cynabal is in aweful shape pg wise. Other than a slight speed increase, absolutely no reason to fly it over a rupture at this point.
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Tera Kubayashi
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Posted - 2006.11.19 17:39:00 -
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Its a problem for ALL faction cruisers, and some of the faction frigs too. Its a shame, since they add much needed individuality to the game, but are sadly reserved for the ultra rich, or those willing to keep them locked away in hangars...
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Spaced Skunk
Yesodic Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.19 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Spaced Skunk on 19/11/2006 18:04:57
Originally by: Tera Kubayashi Its a problem for ALL faction cruisers, and some of the faction frigs too. Its a shame, since they add much needed individuality to the game, but are sadly reserved for the ultra rich, or those willing to keep them locked away in hangars...
I have used the Ashimmu in PVP a few times, but the setup I use, uses t2 med acs (dual 180s) with 3 NAMED nos, still needs an RCU though, and its not even got a MWD or 2 med reps fitted.
Most faction cruisers are around 95-140M mark, arent worth it in a combat aspect, but for rarity they are actually pretty cheap.
I would like to use em, but I cannot fit em so :) When I can fit em with a decent setup that uses all the individual bonuses, I will use em in PVP until I they go pop, simple as. At the moment, faction cruisers are only as good as trade items.
And I havent looked into the faction frigs, but if they also lack powergrid, then they need boosting too.
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Zyrtan Keb'Lektar
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.11.19 18:32:00 -
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Ashimmu
'Strigoi' Medium Nosferatu I 'Strigoi' Medium Nosferatu I 'Strigoi' Medium Nosferatu I Medium Pulse Laser II Medium Pulse Laser II Medium Pulse Laser II Medium Pulse Laser II
10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
'Greaves' Medium Armor Repairer I 'Greaves' Medium Armor Repairer I 800mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
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Spaced Skunk
Yesodic Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.19 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Ashimmu
'Strigoi' Medium Nosferatu I 'Strigoi' Medium Nosferatu I 'Strigoi' Medium Nosferatu I Medium Pulse Laser II Medium Pulse Laser II Medium Pulse Laser II Medium Pulse Laser II
10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
'Greaves' Medium Armor Repairer I 'Greaves' Medium Armor Repairer I 800mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Was this an attempt to make it seem Ashimmu is balanced?
Your setup still uses small guns, and will cost about 300M+ to fit it.
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Lyta Reimalken
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:24:00 -
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Gah, Tera Kubayashi = my alt... Stupid me :(
Just to reiterate my point regards frigates also, things like the Dramiel are comically poorly concieved... A ship which gets a turret bonus, but then has more missiles than turret hardpoints. Its a beauty, but its quite quite useless :)
To be honest i would LOVE to see eve populated with alternative frigate(or other ship) designs like faction frigates, things that require multi-race ability, like mini frigate 3 and gallente frigate 3. If not for combat effectiveness then for variety, as it is I feel bad about faction ships, theyre beautiful and offer some interesting tactical options, but are so laughably pricey that theyll never get used :/ Maybe its something that ought to be looked at, maybe not, and im sorry for the semi-hijack, but Faction ships as they are are not only prohibitively expensive, but worse than the Tech1 options sometimes. Im sure this was not intended in the design.
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Spaced Skunk
Yesodic Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.19 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lyta Reimalken Gah, Tera Kubayashi = my alt... Stupid me :(
Just to reiterate my point regards frigates also, things like the Dramiel are comically poorly concieved... A ship which gets a turret bonus, but then has more missiles than turret hardpoints. Its a beauty, but its quite quite useless :)
To be honest i would LOVE to see eve populated with alternative frigate(or other ship) designs like faction frigates, things that require multi-race ability, like mini frigate 3 and gallente frigate 3. If not for combat effectiveness then for variety, as it is I feel bad about faction ships, theyre beautiful and offer some interesting tactical options, but are so laughably pricey that theyll never get used :/ Maybe its something that ought to be looked at, maybe not, and im sorry for the semi-hijack, but Faction ships as they are are not only prohibitively expensive, but worse than the Tech1 options sometimes. Im sure this was not intended in the design.
Your not hijacking the thread, I didnt realise the faction frigates had the same problem, but I will try to keep this thread at the top where the devs will spot it, and also edit my OP to mention the frigates too
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Mr Fringle
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:23:00 -
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Yea faction cruisers need more powergrid and CPU, AND a lot of it.
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Feline Ferocity
Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.20 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Fringle Yea faction cruisers need more powergrid and CPU, AND a lot of it.
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Dog Food
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Posted - 2006.11.21 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Feline Ferocity
Originally by: Mr Fringle Yea faction cruisers need more powergrid and CPU, AND a lot of it.
^^ I agree
SO DO I!!!!!!!!!!!
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TigCobra
Battlestars Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:31:00 -
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dont forget the gila this time
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Spaced Skunk
Yesodic Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.22 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: TigCobra dont forget the gila this time
Have the devs done it yet?
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Spaced Skunk
Yesodic Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.26 18:27:00 -
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2 days to go and still no change..wont take long to change powergrid come on!
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Spaced Skunk
Yesodic Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.27 14:01:00 -
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STILL NOT DONE.
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.27 14:06:00 -
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BUFF FACTION CRUISERS. Ty in advance Tux
Because I said so...
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