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Tecron
Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.20 03:44:00 -
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Eagle needs an extra turrent and grid Vulture needs and extra turret and damage Munin/Sleipner need abit more range with Artys
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Ed Gein
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.20 03:55:00 -
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Sleipner is an autocannon ship, hence the bonus to falloff. Munin could use a bit more grid since it is an arty ship, its range is fine.
-------------------------------------------------------------- What do you call the person that brings a gun to a knife fight?
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Tecron
Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.20 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ed Gein Sleipner is an autocannon ship, hence the bonus to falloff. Munin could use a bit more grid since it is an arty ship, its range is fine.
Took another look at Quickfit and I agree with you now.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.20 06:27:00 -
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--------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Tr4XX
Caldari The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.20 06:30:00 -
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hehe
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MECTO
Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.20 07:12:00 -
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ferox too
It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it?
Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
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Tecron
Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.20 08:09:00 -
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I guess we need to nerf the Munin, Deimos, Ishtar, Zealot, and other HAC/Command ships aslong as they have a BS counterpart.
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infraX
Caldari Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.20 08:11:00 -
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Eagle wasn't too bad in RMR, probably one of it's best kept secrets but it was never an uber damage dealer and I think it will suck a bit in Kali.
This hp increase is screwing up the game balance completely.
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BugxEarl
Amarr Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.20 09:45:00 -
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Please take note that eagle has enough grid to fit 3 damage rigs and with proper setup, can reach that 240km sniping range. I don't see how giving an extra turret to a ship that can snipe as far as a Rohk and get a scan resolution of 850 very balanced.
I know it is a sub-par ship for anything else but sniping, however, it is a very specialized ship and it should be that way.
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.20 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: BugxEarl I know the Eagle is a sub-par ship for anything else but sniping, however, it is a very specialized ship and it should be that way.
If it can snipe, yes (while I think it's a lame role and the devs are a bit tired of sniping machines) but his sniper role wasn't very convincing so far (I've been both on the sniping and receiving ends) and will simply be non existant after Kali.
So yes, the Caldari rail platforms definately need more guns, from the Merlin up to the Ferox, including Moa and Eagle. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the backpipe, but how does not. |
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infraX
Caldari Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.20 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: BugxEarl Please take note that eagle has enough grid to fit 3 damage rigs and with proper setup, can reach that 240km sniping range. I don't see how giving an extra turret to a ship that can snipe as far as a Rohk and get a scan resolution of 850 very balanced.
I know it is a sub-par ship for anything else but sniping, however, it is a very specialized ship and it should be that way.
I didn't consider rigs. Thanks.
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Tecron
Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.21 04:11:00 -
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devs look
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Nadec Ascand
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 11:51:00 -
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basicaly eagle is a sniper ship evryone will be ok with that.
With kali and 50% hp boost and no boost to eagle dmg except from teh one possible with rigs (wich wont count as evryone is already fitting 3 dmg mod T2 on a sniping eagle) It will be nearly impossible for an eagle to snipe anything. U will barely abble to pown a shuttle...
even a kestrel will have aprox 1150 hp and ur hitting from 80 to 200 / turret if u dont miss... that with 4 250 T2 3 magnetic stab T2 and 2 sensor booster T2 and 2 tracking comp T2 1 tracking enhancer T2
Sure u can hit at 220km but u still have 3,4sec of locking time and 3sec ROF.
So once again eagle will be the one to kill pods if no harpy are around...
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Kharakan
Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.11.21 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Win. Period.
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.11.21 13:19:00 -
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im pretty happy with the vulture atm, tho it really needs double locking range. I usually fit 2 gang modules, uber sniper with 5x 250mm II.
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.21 14:09:00 -
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Comparing Moa, Eagle, Ferox and Vulture to ships of their class in other races their lack of turret hardpoints seems irrational - as if they were missile hardpoints. Well, they are not. Ferox and Vulture both need 2 more hardpoints and 150 PG to match that of the Brutix, Astarte and Eos. Moa and Eagle, +1. That's what I think anyway.
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Tecron
Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.22 03:49:00 -
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1 more turrent point pls devs
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.22 04:21:00 -
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I'm all for the much needed buff to the Moa, Eagle and Ferox, but not the Vulture.
Simply because all BCs of its type only have 5 weapon points, because the other 3 slots are meant for gang mods.
However the Ferox needs to jump to 7 turret hardpoints (you can scream overpowered, but most people who do would scream bloody murder if the brutix dropped to 5 or 6 turrets), and the Moa to 5, Eagle at 5 as well since 6 would just be overkill on those poor frigs.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Jade Herron
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Posted - 2006.11.22 08:52:00 -
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Yes Boost all those ships, hey while ur at it, bost all amarr ships 2, and then, because u boost them, do all the other again, and then boost amar again so there even, and then boost all the other again, because you all said so. Hey, they have to be Elite right? i mean, because it cant do what u want it to.
Apart from the fact a single vagabond can take on 2 zealots with eazz at close range. And a Munin can out range it at long range. I think its ovius not all ships are ment to be good. so just let the GMS do what they want, and stop complaining eveyr ship isnt perfect..
(My Whine is over, Thanks you!)
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:55:00 -
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It was funny to see everyone on the test server in Rokh's, doing nearly no damage to a tanked Raven.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
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Jovius Marginus
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.23 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jovius Marginus on 23/11/2006 01:17:53
Originally by: Jade Herron Yes Boost all those ships, hey while ur at it, bost all amarr ships 2, and then, because u boost them, do all the other again, and then boost amar again so there even, and then boost all the other again, because you all said so. Hey, they have to be Elite right? i mean, because it cant do what u want it to.
Apart from the fact a single vagabond can take on 2 zealots with eazz at close range. And a Munin can out range it at long range. I think its ovius not all ships are ment to be good. so just let the GMS do what they want, and stop complaining eveyr ship isnt perfect..
(My Whine is over, Thanks you!)
Go make your own whine thread. Every ship can and should be balanced. Eagle/Moa/Ferox obviously need a boost so they should get one.
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.23 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80 It was funny to see everyone on the test server in Rokh's, doing nearly no damage to a tanked Raven.
It does good damage to roids though, 8 mining lasers is k3wl. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
Tecron
Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.23 03:26:00 -
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On the test server I could still get 249km optiaml even after the nerfs with a nice lock time a 3 mag stabs.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.23 06:07:00 -
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silly, everyone knows the cormorant > Harpy for pods. You just die a hell of a lot faster.
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Qual
Gallente Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2006.11.23 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: BugxEarl I know the Eagle is a sub-par ship for anything else but sniping, however, it is a very specialized ship and it should be that way.
If it can snipe, yes (while I think it's a lame role and the devs are a bit tired of sniping machines) but his sniper role wasn't very convincing so far (I've been both on the sniping and receiving ends) and will simply be non existant after Kali.
So yes, the Caldari rail platforms definately need more guns, from the Merlin up to the Ferox, including Moa and Eagle.
A handfull of Sniper eagles will make any fighter bombing fleet run home crying... They most certainly have thier uses. They are also very usefull in roaming gangs as they can take out support without much efford.
"The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf |
Jovius Marginus
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.24 05:37:00 -
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bump
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Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.24 05:50:00 -
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Outside of the Rokh Caldari railboats are pretty lacking in general.. :(
Quote:
Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
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Jovius Marginus
Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.24 22:16:00 -
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up
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Tecron
Caldari Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.25 20:14:00 -
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bump
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.26 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Qual A handfull of Sniper eagles will make any fighter bombing fleet run home crying... They most certainly have thier uses. They are also very usefull in roaming gangs as they can take out support without much efford.
This kind of reply is quite a mystery to me, tbh Do you fly an Eagle mate? Did you try to take out fighters with an Eagle? Did you instapop interceptors with an Eagle?
If yes, please page me your fitting because with 2 sensors boosters, 2 tracking comps, 2 tracking enhancers and 2 damage mods (and close to max skills for the Eagle) my own experience has been far from convincing.
On the contrary, I've been able to travel through bubbles in a Crow with 2 Eagles pounding on me at 185km without even losing half my shields and came back to tackle them and there's nothing they could ever do against it (no dronebay ftw). ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
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