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Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.08 09:57:58 -
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Mock them in public for everyone to see? Force them to take down the stream?
Thank you for answers.
CCP Rise wrote:
"We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players
- we have failed."
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:09:11 -
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hunt and kill .. i'm pretty sure that's fine
the rest involves 'the line'
to be honest though, why would you want to force someone to take down a stream ... is the stream condoning or offering illegal services in the real world ? is the stream causing physical or emotional real-life suffering to someone ?
just keep your "internet bad-assness" to strictly in game and you won't have any problems
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Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:20:35 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:hunt and kill .. i'm pretty sure that's fine
the rest involves 'the line'
to be honest though, why would you want to force someone to take down a stream ... is the stream condoning or offering illegal services in the real world ? is the stream causing physical or emotional real-life suffering to someone ?
just keep your "internet bad-assness" to strictly in game and you won't have any problems
Reasons. Of course I have them. None of them contain hate against fellow players. I appreciate your response but it I am not convinced it answers my questions.
CCP Rise wrote:
"We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players
- we have failed."
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Scarlett Anstian
An My Webed and Scrammed
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:26:22 -
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How do you intend to mock them in public? If you mean this by destroying their ship live on their stream then go ahead. If you try and force someone to do something in real life such as "take down your stream" this has got to be considered blackmail. I mean you sound like you are one accident away from becoming a super villain.
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Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:36:39 -
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Scarlett Anstian wrote:How do you intend to mock them in public? If you mean this by destroying their ship live on their stream then go ahead. If you try and force someone to do something in real life such as "take down your stream" this has got to be considered blackmail. I mean you sound like you are one accident away from becoming a super villain.
Rhett Butler wrote:You're like the thief who isn't the least bit sorry he stole, but is terribly, terribly sorry he's going to jail.
The crux of the matter. "Public mocking" would be happening in the game, visible on his stream. If I force him through in-game actions to take down his out-of-game stream do I cross a line? If I attempt to extort money from him so I will not disrupt his stream again, do I cross a line? I do not believe so, as long as I keep it all within the game's reality - BUT as Rhett Butler said, my dear Scarlet, I would feel terribly sorry for going to jail.
CCP Rise wrote:
"We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players
- we have failed."
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:40:37 -
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Pops Tickle wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:hunt and kill .. i'm pretty sure that's fine
the rest involves 'the line'
to be honest though, why would you want to force someone to take down a stream ... is the stream condoning or offering illegal services in the real world ? is the stream causing physical or emotional real-life suffering to someone ?
just keep your "internet bad-assness" to strictly in game and you won't have any problems
Reasons. Of course I have them. None of them contain hate against fellow players. I appreciate your response but it I am not convinced it answers my questions. I believe that your question has been answered. What you are talking about walks a grey line and the details of how it plays out as well as the interpretation of the rules by who ever would potentially be involved comes into play.
TL;dr you are pushing a grey area to it's limits and asking for a black and white answer.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1080
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:50:55 -
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Pops Tickle wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:hunt and kill .. i'm pretty sure that's fine
the rest involves 'the line'
to be honest though, why would you want to force someone to take down a stream ... is the stream condoning or offering illegal services in the real world ? is the stream causing physical or emotional real-life suffering to someone ?
just keep your "internet bad-assness" to strictly in game and you won't have any problems
Reasons. Of course I have them. None of them contain hate against fellow players. I appreciate your response but it I am not convinced it answers my questions. You will have to send a petition to CCP to be sure, but certainly you are free to mess with them in-game as like anyone else. Some pretty hilarious stuff has come from people streaming their Eve sessions.
However, if you continually attack a player for no "legitimate" in-game reason in the eyes of CCP you may fall afoul of the harassment rules. There is a large grey area here that you can get caught by, even if the interactions take place on a third-party services such as TeamSpeak or Twitch, and even if you do nothing that crosses into the "real-world" as was the case of Erotica 1.
But as we are not suppose to discuss enforcement of the EULA and related topics, I would suggest you press 'F12' while in your game client and ask CCP directly if what you have in mind is kosher. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.06.08 11:03:09 -
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Only one way to find out. I see devs doing twitch streams sometimes, try it out and let us know what happens |
Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.08 11:05:53 -
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I will see where I will be heading, then. On the case of Erotica 1 I have to disagree. I already did a great part of my homework regarding "villainy". Asking people to cover their upper bodies in mayonnaise and intending to publicize such images indeed crosses into the "real-world" and should not be tolerated. That being said, it seemed to me to be a common case of hubris and while I believe a temporary ban would have been sufficient, I understand that CCP could not have possibly handled it any other way.
As you posted the "brick wall of responses" I will consider asking CONCORD once I am in a comfortable position.
Thank you, Ms. Anstian, Ms. ---- Ms. Lettersalad and Mr. Pedro.
CCP Rise wrote:
"We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players
- we have failed."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.08 11:06:38 -
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Assuming you don't break the eula it should be fine however you are specifically targeting an individual so you might fall under the harassment part and ccp are deliberately vague around exactly what will get you banned.
Slapping twitchers around is fine , as is scamming and humiliation (to a degree) but the real question here is how how much can you **** with any individual here before you get slapped in the unmentionables and that is actually something we have had ... Much discussion about.
So my advice is : 1)read the eula 2)file a support ticket (f12 menu ingame) to get the attention of a gm and get their feedback 3)use common sense, their is a line, try not to find it
One thing we know is too far are investment traps involving incremental increases in psychological pressure for the purposes of abject public humiliation after strip-mining the character of assets I.e. "bonus room" type activities.
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Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.08 11:07:40 -
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Webvan wrote:Only one way to find out. I see devs doing twitch streams sometimes, try it out and let us know what happens I have watched people flooding CCP Rise with fleet invitations live on the o7 stream. Not only was it hilarious, it was a display of power of the people. A very proud moment for the player base.
CCP Rise wrote:
"We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players
- we have failed."
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2015.06.08 11:22:48 -
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Pops Tickle wrote:I will see where I will be heading, then. On the case of Erotica 1 I have to disagree. I already did a great part of my homework regarding "villainy". Asking people to cover their upper bodies in mayonnaise and intending to publicize such images indeed crosses into the "real-world" and should not be tolerated. That being said, it seemed to me to be a common case of hubris and while I believe a temporary ban would have been sufficient, I understand that CCP could not have possibly handled it any other way. Read that link I posted even if it is 16 pages. Erotica 1 may have done some things that crossed some line (although CCP has never said), but it is the follow-up Bonus Room ban-wave that was the more egregious one. Those scammers did everything they could to keep things only in-game and above-board, and still were banned en-mass without any explanation, some of whom just idled in a chat channel.
I don't wish to debate those issues here, but I just want to make it clear to you that if you are drifting into an out-of-game service like Twitch, you should either petition CCP first to get a ruling on your plan, or realize that there is a chance if things go wrong you may receive an immediate perma-ban without any warnings and lose all your accounts.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.06.08 11:30:16 -
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I made a streamer literally cry on his stream one time and all I did was blow up his spaceship. 10/10 would recommend it as an activity. |
Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:02:52 -
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I will not dignify this with a response.
Vimsy Vortis wrote:I made a streamer literally cry on his stream one time and all I did was blow up his spaceship. 10/10 would recommend it as an activity. That made me chuckle. Thank you.
CCP Rise wrote:
"We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players
- we have failed."
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:06:37 -
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You're edging into harassment territory, I'm afraid.
Blowing them up: Fine.
Continually blowing them up, because they're on a stream, and you find it hilarious: Not so fine.
Blowing them up to force an out of game action (take down the stream): Not fine.
(Should be noted: This is purely an opinion. I'm not a GM to make a ruling on this. Just how I read it)
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9956
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:14:11 -
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Pops Tickle wrote:I will not dignify this with a response. Woah there buddy, Ye appear to be getting ye'r wires crossed
Pedro isn't accusing you , nor is he condemning anything.
He is just attempting to point you towards further reading without starting a discussion on a highly devicive and inflammatory subject in the newbie subforum as it's entirely inappropriate for here.
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Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:24:53 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Pops Tickle wrote:I will not dignify this with a response. Woah there buddy, Ye appear to be getting ye'r wires crossed Pedro isn't accusing you , nor is he condemning anything. He is just attempting to point you towards further reading without starting a discussion on a highly devicive and inflammatory subject in the newbie subforum as it's entirely inappropriate for here. I understand and apologize, though we learn that (paraphrasing) someone who needs many words either writes a book or attempts to convince you of something. I did my homework, Mr. King-Griffin. Considering the topic and the author I can safely deduct that he is not attempting to write a book. I absolutely appreciate the warning, though. Please do not mistake my words as ungratefulness.
As this seems to be a hairy topic, I will ask for closure of this thread. I'd like to thank all the participants of this thread and for the various opinions and perspectives on the topic.
CCP Rise wrote:
"We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players
- we have failed."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9959
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:33:19 -
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Pops Tickle wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Pops Tickle wrote:I will not dignify this with a response. Woah there buddy, Ye appear to be getting ye'r wires crossed Pedro isn't accusing you , nor is he condemning anything. He is just attempting to point you towards further reading without starting a discussion on a highly devicive and inflammatory subject in the newbie subforum as it's entirely inappropriate for here. I understand and apologize, though we learn that (paraphrasing) someone who needs many words either writes a book or attempts to convince you of something. I did my homework, Mr. King-Griffin. Considering the topic and the author I can safely deduct that he is not attempting to write a book. I absolutely appreciate the warning, though. Please do not mistake my words as ungratefulness. As this seems to be a hairy topic, I will ask for closure of this thread. I'd like to thank all the participants of this thread and for the various opinions and perspectives on the topic. Non taken, do file the support ticket though as all we can tell you are our opinions and point you to the eula.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.06.08 12:35:04 -
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Thread closed at OP's request.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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