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Zin Rathbone
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Posted - 2006.11.20 14:46:00 -
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An open question: If you had to pick one battleship for all areas of eve, mission running, complexes, pvp, ratting, etc. What would it be. Is there a ship that does them all fairly well, even if not optimum in any given category?
As a side note, what is good DPS on a battleship? Im currently flying an Apoc for missions, which is more defence than offence oriented, and get about 259 dps out of it using named tech 1 mega pulses with multispec and named cruiser launchers. My skills are moderate, but not exceptional. With some obvious training still to do, what would you call Good dammage on a mission BS?
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.11.20 14:49:00 -
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Raven. As much as everyone loves to complain about it in PvP, the damage output is solid, it has one hell of a tank, and it's the best ship for PvE hands down.
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Kazaam
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.20 14:57:00 -
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I'd say Dominix. Can tank nearly as well as a Raven with the appropriate fit, drones hurt like hell, and it's real pain to kill in pvp close range _________________________________________
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:03:00 -
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1. Raven 2. Raven 3. Raven 4. Domi
Raven is so superior to ANY other ship in PvE I can't even begin to understand what CCP is thinking. It lacks fleet use because of the delayed missile damage (not THAT big of a deal, really), but a well-setup, well-flown raven *CANNOT* be beaten 1v1 by anything but MAYBE a lucky Dominix that gets multiple jams in a row in. It's also extremely scary in small skirmishes because it has painful damage output and a strong tank. Jamming it until his friends are dead is usually the best way to deal with one.
Aside from the Raven vs-thing the Domi is also good at 0.0 ratting altho Raven kills a lot faster (but so do HACs). Domi is pointless in missions with all the ships at 60-70km. It still gets 4th place for the PvP value.
Originally by: "Cy4n1d3"
You can't PVP with 4 mids.
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Dixon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Raven is so superior to ANY other ship in PvE I can't even begin to understand what CCP is thinking. It lacks fleet use because of the delayed missile damage (not THAT big of a deal, really), but a well-setup, well-flown raven *CANNOT* be beaten 1v1 by anything but MAYBE a lucky Dominix that gets multiple jams in a row in.
What a load of crap.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 20/11/2006 15:12:46 Answer then please:
1) What ship is better for mission? 2) How exactly does one kill a Burn Eden 1500 damage per Torp Raven. Ever been on the receiving end? Probably not. 3) What would you rather encounter in your cruiser/frig pack: Raven + support or Apoc + support.
Btw Geddon is crap for versatility. It's not versatile. I can only do a ton of damage, blow up some cap charges and then hope it has won. Post Kali its cap problem will be ever bigger.
Amarr got hit big time by the stacking nerf.
Originally by: "Cy4n1d3"
You can't PVP with 4 mids.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Raven is so superior to ANY other ship in PvE I can't even begin to understand what CCP is thinking. It lacks fleet use because of the delayed missile damage (not THAT big of a deal, really)
But what it gains in a fleet - missiles being > all, 6 mids for Ewar - outweighs that.
So to alter your statement a little:
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Raven is so superior to ANY other ship I can't even begin to understand what CCP is thinking.
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Dixon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Dixon on 20/11/2006 15:35:47 Well I'll just have to change everything since you edited that post...
1) Depends, if it's not Guristas or Angels the Geddon will do it faster and time=money 2) I don't even know if those exist and I don't care. 3) I'd rather have the Raven tbh, as I usually fly Amarr ships
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Btw Geddon is crap for versatility. It's not versatile. I can only do a ton of damage, blow up some cap charges and then hope it has won. Post Kali its cap problem will be ever bigger
.... have you even flown a Geddon? Or are you just assuming that every whiner on these forums is 100% accurate in describing how Amarr/Minmatar suck at everything?
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Amarr got hit big time by the stacking nerf.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:34:00 -
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If you're after versatile, I'd be tempted to suggest the Typhoon. It lends itself quite well to a variety of options, and can do pretty much any damage types you fancy.
If you're looking at straight PvE the Raven is pretty sweet. For PvP it does suffer. Good tank and firepower, but only if you sacrifice any ability to stop them leaving. Which is why at the moment it tends to get used as armour tank + ECMs, but that's not going to work in Kali.
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DarkElf
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:46:00 -
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difficult for one overall. raven is clearly the best pve bs and for pvp would have to depend on situation, solo it's the domi, group i'd say megathron.
overall just personal preference i'd have to say mega but i haven't done missions for years so don't know how it handles them these days.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dixon Edited by: Dixon on 20/11/2006 15:35:47 Well I'll just have to change everything since you edited that post...
1) Depends, if it's not Guristas or Angels the Geddon will do it faster and time=money 2) I don't even know if those exist and I don't care. 3) I'd rather have the Raven tbh, as I usually fly Amarr ships
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Btw Geddon is crap for versatility. It's not versatile. I can only do a ton of damage, blow up some cap charges and then hope it has won. Post Kali its cap problem will be ever bigger
.... have you even flown a Geddon? Or are you just assuming that every whiner on these forums is 100% accurate in describing how Amarr/Minmatar suck at everything?
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Amarr got hit big time by the stacking nerf.
Still recovering from that one? Adapt.
For belt ratting, a geddon will take out a sansha bs before a raven does. But, the raven can do it at any range and can take out the cruisers and frigs easier too. If your using a sniping tachyon geddon with BMs to go around all the belts and just snipe the bs and forget the rest then yes a geddon may be faster. But over all (considering all NPCs, complexes etc) a raven is better.
For PVP, a raven will beat the opponents more often than the opponent beats the raven. Again, not all setups, but on average.
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Uggster
Caldari Never'where
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Posted - 2006.11.20 16:09:00 -
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Range plays a huge part in the PvP situations cos a Raven is only really effective at close range (where it can scramble to allow for the time on target of the missiles/torps) where as a turret ship does not.
Raven for Rats (and my choice) Mega for PvP. _______________________________________________
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.20 16:10:00 -
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ABBADON !!!
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Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.20 16:17:00 -
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there is no best battleship, theyre all pretty good at what theyre intended for
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Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
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Dixon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.20 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra But, the raven can do it at any range and can take out the cruisers and frigs easier too.
Well precision cruise might take out the frigs faster but I doubt it will kill the cruisers faster than a rack of megapulses.
Originally by: Shin Ra
For PVP, a raven will beat the opponents more often than the opponent beats the raven. Again, not all setups, but on average.
In my experience it's usually the pilot/setup, not the ship, that beats the opponent. Although in a 1v1 situation I'd almost always choose my Raven over my Geddon, just like I'd always pick the geddon for gang pvp. - - - - - - I have no strong feelings one way or the other... |
Hysenthlay
Minmatar The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.11.20 16:28:00 -
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I like my phoon. Good at everything, best at nothing.
Needs great sp investment though, how are your skills?
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Saundra Fayid
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Posted - 2006.11.20 16:47:00 -
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For me its the Typhoon and then Apocalypse
I just like them so I adapt them to what I want to use them for.
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MECTO
Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.20 17:42:00 -
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Best All Around PvP BS - megathron ub3r close range+long range
Best All Around PvE BS - raven ofc, and it even good at pvp
Dominix - nice at close pvp, decent at pve.
for rattin i w00t prefer geddon if i was at flying 1 on sansha or blood ones..
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Originally by: Tuxford In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.20 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Uggster Range plays a huge part in the PvP situations cos a Raven is only really effective at close range (where it can scramble to allow for the time on target of the missiles/torps) where as a turret ship does not.
Turret ships can scramble at long range?
Originally by: "Cy4n1d3"
You can't PVP with 4 mids.
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DarkElf
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.20 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Originally by: Uggster Range plays a huge part in the PvP situations cos a Raven is only really effective at close range (where it can scramble to allow for the time on target of the missiles/torps) where as a turret ship does not.
Turret ships can scramble at long range?
I think he's saying that because they can hit things before they warp but he's obviously thinking about maybe popping frigs and shuttles by sniping them or something. hopefully not suggesting that a bs with turrets and kill another bs before he warps off because it doesn't have to travel like missiles
actually a strange comment because the raven is the ship that range least matters to.
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:08:00 -
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PVP - Dominix / Megathron
PVE - Raven without question.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:16:00 -
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Raven sucks, Typhoon rules.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian Raven sucks, Typhoon rules.
Amen brother, with enough skill points it can do pretty much anything and leave your opponents cursing as wriggles out of their best bag of tricks. Just today mine helped me break out of a 2 HAC + Buzzard gate camp, pity I didn't have it PvP fitted.
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Jacob Holland
Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jacob Holland on 20/11/2006 19:04:49 Raven. Everyone agrees that PvE there is nothing that beats a Raven's combination of tank'n'gank, even without fitting Gistii kit to it (which seems to be the advice everyone seems to give none the less). You only need to look at some of the perpetual PvP Raven pilots to see that it loses little there either except in terms of sniping in hit and run. It is laughably easy to fit in comparrison to most BS. Sumpremely easy to get it's range up so that you aren't entirely impotent against snipers. It has the capability of doing insane burst damage (and therefore potentially do damage past tanks you can't break)...
The only downside in terms of versatility is that you can't fit many mining lasers on it
Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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goodby4u
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:10:00 -
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Typhoon is the king of versatility,i dont get why people are saying the raven,small dronebay no turret bonuses means less versatility,in the weapons catagory ofcourse.
Oh yeah and the geddon is versatile,people think it cant tank because they try to tank it with megapulse,thats like trying to tank with neutrons its not very easy...Although possible.
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:25:00 -
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A nanophoon chews through anything with turrets, doubly if they need cap to fire (Amarr ships cry bitterly when a nanophoon finds them)
A normally-fit Phoon can hold its own against everything pretty well, too. Heavy drones and a **** fine tank ftw. ----------------------------
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Byzan Zwyth
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.20 20:41:00 -
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I'm not a BS expert but I'm supprised the mega has not been singled out here.
Can be setup for Uber sniping or close range blastage and seems ok to fit. The Raven is better for running missions but cant snipe. Domi is 1v1 king but cant snipe either.
I see the Mega as an easy choice for great all round BS title. ---------------------- I fly Amarr and Gallente ships Amarr because they peow peow - and look cool... Gallente because they are effective |
Laboratus
Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.20 23:14:00 -
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Gotto say Raven. Lotsa high slots, of which you need only 6 to get optimal damage, leving you with 2 to play with. Load of mids for versitile setups. Can shield tank well. Can tank and gank. Good from EW platform.
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Kasak Black
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.20 23:24:00 -
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Best all round battleship has to be the Armageddon, a skilled pilot can make it sign to any tune. Even the really difficult ones like The Sound of Music.
Mining, NPCing, Long Range Sniper, Close Range Tank, Pulse boat... 5 heavies. Gorgeous rate of fire. Also it looks very Phallic and has a lovely golden hull.
I challenge any Raven, and whats more. I shall win! Through the power of the ELVS. I demand it...
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DarkElf
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.21 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Byzan Zwyth I'm not a BS expert but I'm supprised the mega has not been singled out here.
Can be setup for Uber sniping or close range blastage and seems ok to fit. The Raven is better for running missions but cant snipe. Domi is 1v1 king but cant snipe either.
I see the Mega as an easy choice for great all round BS title.
er it has, 3 times
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