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Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Rikeka Kcel, that`s all cool and all, but it`s not as the BoB members are saints and ASCN started it all by calling them names. Aside of that issue, this thread is about a complete different thing (even though the OP should have left the ASCN and BoB names out of it) If youre aiming at the Propaganda bit of the op, these boards are for announcements, press releases and chestbeating. They have always been, were in CA days, were in 5. days and were in the coalition vs RA war. Why should it be any different for Bob vs Ascn ? Every post not agreeing 100% with your own opinion can be seen as "hostile pr" because it gives food of thought no matter if its by objective results, baseless lies and accusations or some well written prose text. You really think Seleene does those Battlereports without thinking about the possible effect on future customers ? You really think BE do their threads without the desired effect to get into the spotlight by winding ppl up ? You really think Celest announces their Fountain plans without the hope to get isk and manpower out of it ? You really think Kiaeddz posts about teaming up or hiring mercs against BoB without having a business deal for Kia in his mind ? Every post on this forum is motivated. Some more obvious then others but in the end every post is in its own way "PR".
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:28:00 - [32] Edited by: Rikeka on 20/11/2006 20:28:09 Quote: Their posts/threads on this forum are just informative for whoever wants to read them (similar to any other post or thread started). They present bobs view and everyone but the most naiv person knows that everything said on these forums has to be taken with a grain of salt. Guessing here, but I think that is what the OP was asking on the first place. The rest is of no need. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:30:00 - [33] Our posts serve their purpose. ASCN, like any alliance we turn our gaze towards, are merely puppets at the end of our strings, dancing to a tune of our devising. To the masses, respect isin't earned or lost on the forums. Respect is a byproduct of power, and we have the power to make anyone have a miserable day, in any aspect of the game, at any time of our choosing.... and their really isin't a **** thing that you or anyone else can do about it. Humbely, PG Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:32:00 - [34] Edited by: Rikeka on 20/11/2006 20:33:07 A ¿miserable¿ day because of a game? Kcel, what I ment is on my above post. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:34:00 - [35] Originally by: Rikeka A ¿miserable¿ day because of a game? "miserable day, in any aspect of the game." Reading 4tw? Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:37:00 - [36] Edited by: Rikeka on 20/11/2006 20:40:16 What I said still stands, I ment how can you make someone miserable? [EDIT] In fact, if I were you, I would have first stated the where and when of the sentence and later the action/verbe, but I guess it looks nicer your way. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:38:00 - [37] Originally by: Rikeka Edited by: Rikeka on 20/11/2006 20:33:07 A ¿miserable¿ day because of a game? Kcel, what I ment is on my above post. the op is asking for the typical bandwagoneering. 4 kind of ppl will reply. -Bob allies saying "bob are doing fine nps". -Ascn + allies saying "omg bob lost all my respect" -BoB fanbois saying "omg im shocked but it was to be exspected" -random "uninvolved" alt saying "i respected to soo much but now my world is in ruins and if i could i would help ascn but im neutral, honestly". As i said ppls opinion is predetermined and even if a bunch of guys changed their mind (be it either way) i honestly doubt bob gives a **** since they play their game regardless of what ppl think of them.
Cedart Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:41:00 - [38] Well, i respect what BoB have archieved in this game, and i dont really lose that respect simply because some of the members post smack on the forums or leaders post some not so well thought of propaganda posts. That said, i do find some of the posts frankly foolish, especially some of the weekly "war reports". They would be (imo) a lot more effective if they concentrated more on facts (systems taken, battles fought, etc.) and less to gloating about statements or stated objectives of ASCN HC and how these objectives failed. Especially as these objectives are not posted here by ASCN. I dont really have problem about BoB posting statements here from ASCN boards, but often when reading these posts i feel like the poster is insulting my intelligence. I can spot childish ravings of someone that really has no clue, or that takes the game too seriously just fine without someone gloatingly pointing that out word by word. If you really need to reject these claims(and most seem to be too stupid to actually need rejecting), simply point out why they are wrong, ridiculing or calling the claimant names doesn't really help.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:43:00 - [39] Kcel, you got me wrong. I agree with what you said on your post (the 31). I even agree somewhat with your previous posts, but what I quoted from you before is I think what the OP was asking (to which I agree too) ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Ceratin ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:46:00 - [40] "Bob never claimed to be "everyones buddy". They like the villian and badarse image. So why would they try to be nice and all friendly" Badass image, ok i get that, but boring everyone to death with the same propoganda posts doesnt project this image does it? And yes your right, not just bob is guilty of it but 9/10 it is bob, sure be/kia/etc do similar but not for every single fleet movement that might have happened. As 'for respect isnt won on the forums' i dont really agree with that either because as shown by this and many other posts; people are starting to lose respect because of the continual dribble displayed on here daily. Power? maybe.. or maybe you just shout about it more than everyone else. In my humble opinion propoganda posts are worse than smack, at least pointless smack was amusing instead of horribly static and neverending. My two cents :P (insert omg ur wrong auto-flame below) ------------ All hail! Leader of the pod brigade..
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:51:00 - [41] Originally by: Ceratin "Bob never claimed to be "everyones buddy". They like the villian and badarse image. So why would they try to be nice and all friendly" Badass image, ok i get that, but boring everyone to death with the same propoganda posts doesnt project this image does it? And yes your right, not just bob is guilty of it but 9/10 it is bob, sure be/kia/etc do similar but not for every single fleet movement that might have happened. As 'for respect isnt won on the forums' i dont really agree with that either because as shown by this and many other posts; people are starting to lose respect because of the continual dribble displayed on here daily. Power? maybe.. or maybe you just shout about it more than everyone else. In my humble opinion propoganda posts are worse than smack, at least pointless smack was amusing instead of horribly static and neverending. My two cents :P (insert omg ur wrong auto-flame below) So 10 threads in 6 or 7 weeks is 9/10 ? Seems these forums are hugely dull then and i didnt see it yet ? With regard to the respect thing, it comes from actually fighting and dying ingame not from reading a post by a person who usually plays no role in an alliance. CA and SA had their flamefests and still in the end earned respect. Votf and Atuk hated each other ingame and still formed an agreement etc etc. Politics are played in eve outside of the forums and by the topdogs. A grunt gets told who is "good" and who is "bad" in most major alliances. He can silently agree disagree or leave.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:52:00 - [42] Originally by: ProphetGuru ASCN, like any alliance we turn our gaze towards, are merely puppets at the end of our strings, dancing to a tune of our devising. Demonstration why you, as an alliance, deserve a 'thumbs down'. Arrogant people are more than often ill-mannered immature idiots. I first met BoB during the GNW and was litteraly appaled by the trash-talking. My first PvP experience coming from Ultima Online back in 1997, I've had my share of smacktards, but BoB brought it to unsuspected levels. After that, I had to re-examine that opinion when fighting BNC who proved worthy opponents but also respectable pilots. RKK also has many respectable players, which doesn't always show in DBPreacher behavior. TBH, fighting BoB is rarely fun. They should learn where to draw the line between a game and the illusory self accomplishment in a virtual game. It is true there is more to be built in EVE than in any other game and that the immersion factor can be somewhat overwhelming, but boy... some are pushing it a bit hard ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the backpipe, but who does not.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:55:00 - [43] Edited by: Rikeka on 20/11/2006 21:00:23 You are all wrong, in fact. This is a game, it has nothing to do with respect. Do I respect someone who has beaten me (or anyone) solely because he has more SP, a bigger ship, more numbers? There is no such thing as respect on this game. Respect to what? An avatar of 300 bytes? A logo? (this goes to anyone/anything of virtual procedence) It`s not fear, either. Fear of what? Losing ISK? Clones? SP? Err... space (****, I lost a region, that`s 3 cm of the F10 button!) As long as one fully understands this is a game, a low priority on every day scheme of things (5th mine, after GF, work, soccer, and rugby) [EDIT] My GF says EvE is her close 2nd priority (BF, EvE, work, POTBS beta, and her Spellsinger 76th lvl) ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Ceratin ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Kcel Chim With regard to the respect thing, it comes from actually fighting and dying ingame not from reading a post.. So basically your saying more respect comes from an imaginary space game than the written thoughts/attitudes of a real person? sounds abit silly when you think about it doesnt it? ------------ All hail! Leader of the pod brigade..
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:03:00 - [45] Weirdest thing of all, I think quite the opposite thing: I give much more credit to someone that knows how to write a GOOD post. Even more credit when he does this on a different language of his own. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Ceratin Originally by: Kcel Chim With regard to the respect thing, it comes from actually fighting and dying ingame not from reading a post.. So basically your saying more respect comes from an imaginary space game than the written thoughts/attitudes of a real person? sounds abit silly when you think about it doesnt it? Stop dragging real life into it.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Ceratin Originally by: Kcel Chim With regard to the respect thing, it comes from actually fighting and dying ingame not from reading a post.. So basically your saying more respect comes from an imaginary space game than the written thoughts/attitudes of a real person? sounds abit silly when you think about it doesnt it? The ppl playing and competing in this imaginary space game are as real as the ppl writing their thoughts and attitudes. If i play a pirate and act evil i can lead a christian social club irl without any affiliation. I can smack on the forums even if i want to. Welcome to the world of ---> Roleplaying <--- Games. Online earned respect is completely artificial and worth not even the seconds it takes to read it. Ingame it has a meaning but for me and for most other ppl playing this game im drawing a fine line between the avatar and the person behind it. In short even if i hate and despise your avatar to the deepest i personally dont know jack about you "irl" or your rl persona and to draw any conclusions from your online apperance usually leads to someone looking like a dumbass. Reputation is important in eve but the reputation is linked to your avatar. Since most ppl dont play "themself" online but a pilot of a cooperation in an imaginatory online space game who pew pews stuff with his virtual spacecraft and "kills" other guys without ever commiting a rl crime. Wonderfull innit ?
Ghitza Backup Squad	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:12:00 - [48] Propaganda is part of war. But sad ppl who cant use their own minds... Every propaganda thread is good comedy to read. Victory dosent need shouting on forums.
Spike Larosse RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Synapse Archae My impression of BoB has gone down significantly since the start of the ASCN war. They always had big points for being top quality PVPers, but they have lost even more points for smacking and being bad winners. The only thing worse than a bad loser is a bad winner. Have to agree here. I'm not particularly fond of forum wars and warriors, no matter who they belong to. ------------------------------------------------ -RSP-
Ceratin ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:21:00 - [50] Edited by: Ceratin on 20/11/2006 21:21:40 Quote: "Online earned respect is completely artificial and worth not even the seconds it takes to read it" Well you said it, on this basis theres no more need for anymore of these posts im sure. Save the rest of eve from death via boredom; post some nice battle reports with piccys/vids but leave the retoric out because quite frankly no-one cares anymore ------------ All hail! Leader of the pod brigade..
Fassin Zakalwe Amarr BlueTuba	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:28:00 - [51] Aye, they could have let their battlefield successes speak for themselves, but instead they have bled respect for - as a previous poster said - being bad winners. As an ATUK member in a past life I started off broadly positive, now I find myself scoffing when reading posts such as "BoB is the most respected alliance" by BoB members fawning over each other. - Ooooomph!
Amon 'Chakai FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Drusus Rensus Edited by: Drusus Rensus on 20/11/2006 17:39:01 Over the past couple of months we've been treated to quite a few threads from BoB that are some combination of: a) Touting their successes in the war b) Ridiculing ASCN and ASCN command's failures in the war c) Ridiculing things that have been written on ASCN's private forums d) Telling ASCN membership that their leaders suck, and that defeat is inevitable, and that they should just give up and leave. Whether you view these as organized, calculated "propaganda" or not, they are most certainly meant for public consumption (otherwise they'd be in eve-mails). So, my question is what, if any, effect have they had on your opinion of BoB? Please reply with a "thumbs up" "thumbs down" or "don't care" and a brief explaination of why if you'd like. Obviously this thread is aimed at parties not directly involved in the conflict (i.e. not BoB, ASCN, or their allies). Of course, I can't keep involved parties from posting if they want to, but I'm more interested in what third parties are thinking of these posts. Been there, played the same propaganda game in other games.. It works thou bob's actions are bit too obvious but that's prolly because normal members like to spin the propaganda war aswell.. if it would be just leaders posting now and then it would be more efficient, now it's a tradition what bob's do always.. and only a complete gues what believes they'r just "facts" without the extra what gives the facts a certain meaning. ??====??====??====??====??====??====??====??====??==?? If eve even makes close up to 60-70k+ dollars per day as budget.. they could throw about 140k-300k easily to hardware upgrade once per year.
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Ghitza Propaganda is part of war. But sad ppl who cant use their own minds... Every propaganda thread is good comedy to read. Victory dosent need shouting on forums. But its enteraining right? Propaganda is what it is. I for one thinks its good thing to have. Adds excitment and drama to a war that only 2 entites are fighting in. Propaganda is there to let all those Not involved whats going on, what has happend, and what will happen. Take it for whats its worth. Fact is BoB is giving this forum something it was crying for since the ALT ban. Drama. You know you love it. You know you love to hate it. We are simply giving you what you want. Just not how you want it. Its our decision on how we say it. Ohh yeah thats propaganda. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:37:00 - [54] Quote: You are all wrong, in fact. This is a game, it has nothing to do with respect. Do I respect someone who has beaten me (or anyone) solely because he has more SP, a bigger ship, more numbers? There is no such thing as respect on this game. Respect to what? An avatar of 300 bytes? A logo? You must be fun to have you around playing a tabletop game or a sport-match. Do you respect the guy that just beat you at a game of chess or just scored the winning goal in a footy match? Hell no, just a game....
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 22:01:00 - [55] I can see why people think BoB abuse the forums, but I'm not sure the perception is more than a carefully crafted mirage. You see, BoB trusts and respects its members. It doesn't feel the need to gag them, or to punish them from voicing their opinions. Each individual has the right to give their views, because whilst we all have common goals and interests, we are still all different people, and valued as such. With that freedom comes certain responsibility. We know that our posts can reflect on our alliance, and ourselves, and yet we are still able to express our honest thoughts and feelings. With that in mind, think about exactly what complaints are leveled against us. We seem to speak with one voice, making the same points. Either it is an amazingly well put together campaign, or we are telling it as we see it. I know BoB are a conspiracy theorists ideal subject, but if you seriously think you could force some of Eve's biggest egos in to such a campaign, then I think you fail to understand exactly what the membership of BoB is really like. What is written off as smack and propoganda is the truth. It is an uncomfortable truth for ASCN because HC does not want its lies and failures to be exposed to their general membership. It is easier for them to attack the sources and style of the posts against them than it is to refute the content. Now, I am personally frustrated that any leadership can show such little respect to their members. Worse, many of those members want to believe the story they are spun, even though they know it isn't genuine, because they would rather die deluded than fight against despair. However, there are plenty of ASCN who are able to see through the propoganda that is inflicted upon them, not by BoB but by their own HC, and they really are the true hope for ASCN. If they can find courage and a voice then all is not lost for them. So, where am I going with this? Well, ASCN HC want you, dear reader, to ignore the content of our posts because they can't handle the truth, and they fear even more what their members would make of honesty. In order to assist with this defence mechanism, ASCN have focused very much on emotive and controversial side-aspects of those posts, hoping that people would not notice them avoiding to address the real issues. What we get is: BoB hacked our forums. BoB hacked our TS BoB crash nodes BoB are GM's / Devs BoB cheat BoB are rubish because they have only deprived of one region..! That is propoganda. ASCN HC feel the need to manipiulate the opinion of the general public, and their own members, in order to maintain the illusion of control and ability. Who exactly are BoB trying to manipulate with their posts? When does truth become propoganda? Our truth may be uncomfortable, but surely it is more acceptable than ASCN's lies? Currently the most successful propoganda on these forums is ASCN's anti-propoganda propoganda, and I am frankly surprised how many of you have been taken in by it. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
NeoTech Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 22:15:00 - [56] so, after a pretty clean thread on page 2. BoB warriors finally take action? Putting yet ANOTHER HUGE post of ASCN HC Ranting into it.. ohh the irony! Thank you BoB... there went my last respect for u down the drain. <3 GL.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 22:16:00 - [57] Originally by: NeoTech so, after a pretty clean thread on page 2. BoB warriors finally take action? Putting yet ANOTHER HUGE post of ASCN HC Ranting into it.. ohh the irony! Thank you BoB... there went my last respect for u down the drain. <3 GL. Thank you for so clearly making my point. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Ronja Mistysdottir Norsk Gruvedrift	Posted - 2006.11.20 22:25:00 - [58] Edited by: Ronja Mistysdottir on 20/11/2006 22:25:43 Posting anything from someones internal boards on Eve-Online breaks Copyright rules of atleast the United States and any country in the European Union. CCP servers are in the UK, I think, and therefore, regulated via laws, that makes it illigal to make public, any copyrighted documents. (EC regulations of copyrighted materials.. (Pirate Bay anyone?) I think CCP should do they're duty, and report copyright offenders. Spreading copyrighted material are a crime, and offenders should be punnished to the full extent of the law. bow
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 22:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Ronja Mistysdottir Posting anything from someones internal boards on Eve-Online breaks Copyright rules of atleast the United States and any country in the European Union. CCP servers are in the UK, I think, and therefore, regulated via laws, that makes it illigal to make public, any copyrighted documents. I think CCP should do they're duty, and report copyright offenders. Spreading copyrighted material are a crime, and offenders should be punnished to the full extent of the law. bow Interesting view, but sadly untrue. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Mirirar Caldari Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.11.20 22:27:00 - [60] Originally by: Shin Ra Cyvok's one hour rant/audio blog does not sound like someone capable of leading a 4k man alliance in this war. Linkage? Please?

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