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IHaveTenFingers
Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2006.11.21 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: IHaveTenFingers on 21/11/2006 04:18:58 CCP Finally changed the abaddon rof to damage yay! but they forgot to change it from -5% to +5%. now im not one to whine but come on! crapper damage with higher skill? Dont belive me? try for yourself or look at http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0611/Laserwhoops.bmp
God. Talk about the nerfbat. :P
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Tricit
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.21 04:32:00 -
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It appears they made a typo.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.21 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tricit It appears they made a typo.
I dunno, look at the Drake.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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IHaveTenFingers
Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2006.11.21 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Tricit It appears they made a typo.
I dunno, look at the Drake.
ROFL. Simply ROFL.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Ferrum Pugnus
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Posted - 2006.11.21 05:11:00 -
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typos are common change is reasonable
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Almarez
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Posted - 2006.11.22 07:41:00 -
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Can someone answer if this is a typo. I mean it sucks that with lvl 4 Amarr bs with Tach 2 I can only get base damage of 6.4 on Abaddon and 8.4 on Apoc. Please oh please tell me this is a mistake and it will actually be +5% when Kali comes out.
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Etherios
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 08:00:00 -
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Come on guys get hold of ur selves the problem was and still is the CAP... the damage bonus will get fixed.
Put somethought before whinning plz
The bonus gives some relef to the cap usage without loosing much damage so i think its a VERY good solution. I dont like the ideas about changing Abaddon to anything else than a HUGE gunship. the 5% Damage will make this baby a must in Fleet ops. Titan + Abaddon = MANY MANY pods .. hostile ones ofc
True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.22 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Almarez Can someone answer if this is a typo. I mean it sucks that with lvl 4 Amarr bs with Tach 2 I can only get base damage of 6.4 on Abaddon and 8.4 on Apoc. Please oh please tell me this is a mistake and it will actually be +5% when Kali comes out.
Err... duh... Theyre not gonna add a bonus that reduces your damage... -----
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2006.11.22 08:50:00 -
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Of course its a typo. Well no not a typo really just changed the bonus without changing the relevant attribute _______________ |
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Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.22 09:11:00 -
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You know this change does neither make us nor the minnies happy.
Forsch Defender of the empire
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Etherios
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch You know this change does neither make us nor the minnies happy.
Speak for ur self plz... because it SURE is better than the RoF... and plz no more Drone/nos etc stupid recomendations PLZ
True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
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Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.22 09:21:00 -
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I speak for 'us' as the majority not wanting another battleship that fills the same role as the armageddon and apocalypse.
Forsch Defender of the empire
It's great being Amarr, ain't it? |
Etherios
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 09:40:00 -
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So let me see what u say. CCP made a new tier 3 BS for Amarr and they kept the Amarrian way of War (this is a bit RP but i like it) and u dont want to make it a better Gunship u want it to change Completly to a new kind of Bs right? So u want something else from the Amarr... why not look for it in Caldari or Gallente? They have great Drone/noc/ecm ships .. why try to change this ship THAT much that it isnt the Abaddon anymore?
And finaly u think that ccp will kill the Abaddon and remake it from scratch?(thats what u asking) i think it easier to just make it better and more usefull than it was.
And yes i think keeping the identity of each race is what makes EvE this great... i dont have same ships for all with just diferent looks... SO if u want new style of fighting change Race ...
P.S. thats not personaly for u
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.22 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Etherios stuff reflecting typical amarr attitude
People like you are why Amarr come across so whiney to almost everyone. Constantly whine about EM damage sucking, Amarr ships being the worst of the worst, but any solution to it doesn't please you because 'It is not the amarr way'...
And yes, I think giving every race a bit of variety in what they do is what makes EVE this great. I'd rather not have all same ships with just different looks for one race.
So if you want Amarr to stop sucking, stop their ships from being so singleminded. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Etherios
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazare stuff...
I never whinned about EM damage ... i never said Amarr is the worsed and i like the way most Amarr ships are. AND i try to find better setups for existing ships. NOW the cap issue i hope is not a whine for u is it? It was too obvious to all the Cap had problems. Now if ur solution is go us drones then ok i am the reason we Amarr suck (u said it not me), i am the reason we whine etc etc....
I am a Fleet lover and a Gang player ... i dont like solo SO AMARR is perfect for me... if u have a problem U change dont change amarr PLZ
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Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:10:00 -
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a) I do like the RP aspect of each race. I think I can claim that I am more involved into roleplay than you, Etherios. It is just then, when you fly your golden fleet (like we do in cva sometimes) into a minmatar fleet (ushra'khan for instance), that you realize how much it sucks to have yet another laser turret battleship. We need some variety to not be as predictable as we are now. Not only do the minmatar ships come with increased EM resistance, if they know we have a golden fleet incoming, they can even reinforce their tanking against us even more. A ship with drones or missiles would help quite a bit.
b) Every race should have an EWAR battleship like the scorpion is. Lots of hitpoints (compared to cruiser ew boats) and the range to make a difference in long range battles.
c) It is just boring to get yet another turret battleship. The armageddon and apocalypse are already very similar.
Why not make a change now? Now there is a chance with the new tier3 battleships.
Once the novelty factor of the abaddon has worn off, people will realize they can get *almost* the same performance with the armageddon or apocalypse (in some cases better) for a fraction of the cost. And then it will be just one out of three very similar amarrian battleships instead of an exciting new addition.
P.S. I forgot d) If an amarrian battleship is drooled upon by minmatar pilots to use as a super tanked AC beast it indicates something is very wrong with the concept.
Forsch Defender of the empire
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar So if you want Amarr to stop sucking, stop their ships from being so singleminded.
As an Amarr there's only two things I'd like to see:
1) fix the EANM issue, lots of good suggestions on the forums already so go check 'em out 2) Triple our ship sensor strengths. This would make us really the one trick ponies who tank like a mountain and dish out divine light 'til kingdom come just like the RP side of this game says. ECM immunity is besides logical and can be written into the backstory too and as for stats I don't see anything stupid in thought that we could defend ourselves from ECM but not project it ourself.
Assuming 1 is done correctly these two would make Amarrs scary again but not overpowered since there still would be the issue with lack of midslots and all that.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 22/11/2006 10:30:16
Originally by: Forsch
b) Every race should have an EWAR battleship like the scorpion is. Lots of hitpoints (compared to cruiser ew boats) and the range to make a difference in long range battles.
c) It is just boring to get yet another turret battleship. The armageddon and apocalypse are already very similar.
Why not make a change now? Now there is a chance with the new tier3 battleships.
Once the novelty factor of the abaddon has worn off, people will realize they can get *almost* the same performance with the armageddon or apocalypse (in some cases better) for a fraction of the cost. And then it will be just one out of three very similar amarrian battleships instead of an exciting new addition.
P.S. I forgot d) If an amarrian battleship is drooled upon by minmatar pilots to use as a super tanked AC beast it indicates something is very wrong with the concept.
The problem here is that if every race had an EW battleship, it would make sense for them all to be the same tier, as is the case with frigates and cruisers. This would make the future introduction of tech 2 battleships simpler.
Since the Scorpion is the baseline EW BS and most Dominix users use EW, it would make sense to give the Typhoon a target painter bonus and completely re-work the Armageddon into a tracking disruptor ship (say a 7/6/6 slot layout with a TD bonus).
I can see this upsetting a lot of people.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 22/11/2006 11:28:35
Originally by: Tuxford Of course its a typo. Well no not a typo really just changed the bonus without changing the relevant attribute
can we have an eta on when you plan to redesign either the abaddon or apoc? as it stands now we get yet another laser using fleet battleship when we already have 2 for that purpose. this is not only rather boring and disappointing but also makes our battleships totaly predictable and easy to avoid.
edit: in case you want to stick to the failure that is the abaddon, could you please give an example of how this ship will be able to tank better/just as well with lasers compared to projectiles? according to your devblog tanking is one of its 2 roles.
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Schlauke
Gallente Zooner Corp G.U.A.R.D.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 22/11/2006 11:28:35
Originally by: Tuxford Of course its a typo. Well no not a typo really just changed the bonus without changing the relevant attribute
can we have an eta on when you plan to redesign either the abaddon or apoc? as it stands now we get yet another laser using fleet battleship when we already have 2 for that purpose. this is not only rather boring and disappointing but also makes our battleships totaly predictable and easy to avoid.
edit: in case you want to stick to the failure that is the abaddon, could you please give an example of how this ship will be able to tank better/just as well with lasers compared to projectiles? according to your devblog tanking is one of its 2 roles.
According to the DevBlog it should be able to Tank or Gang, not both at the same time. And fitting Laser instead of Artillary will result in it doing more Damage because of the Damage Bonus it gets.
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Schlauke
According to the DevBlog it should be able to Tank or Gang, not both at the same time. And fitting Laser instead of Artillary will result in it doing more Damage because of the Damage Bonus it gets.
i didnt claim that it should be able to tank and gank at the same time. i'm just asking for an example of an abaddon fitting that will tank better/just as good with lasers than it would with projectiles.
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zoumau
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:02:00 -
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Well i remember the absolution when it came out first. Happy as I was.. having all the skills besides the command ship, I quikly train for it. Fitted one with some nice beams.. and was thinking, crappy damage.
Took me another hour to realise the damage modifier 5% extra damage per lvl command ship had a typo.
Took CCP only 3 months or so to fix that..
Was lloking so nice, that absolution in hangar with a -25% damage (or was it slower rof, can't remember) bonus.
Anyways in the end it got changed.
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Lirt
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:49:00 -
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I really dont get it why you want damage bonus instead of rof. Its mathematically approved that rof bonus is far better than damage bonus...
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Etherios
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Etherios on 22/11/2006 13:10:15
Originally by: Lirt I really dont get it why you want damage bonus instead of rof. Its mathematically approved that rof bonus is far better than damage bonus...
Because RoF will kill u faster than the more damage will... ur cap
No Cap = Dead or useless Bs.....
Also from my point of view in Fleet ops i prefer the Damage than the RoF... i almost never hit more than 3 hits per target and RoF doesnt give more damage in 3 volleys.
RoF is better for close range LONG fights where the DoT plays the most part AND if u go without Nos or cap Inj u are dead anyway...
True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
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Amira Silvermist
Yazata Spenta Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:55:00 -
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Udyr Rodj and Forsch are right, The Abaddon doesnt make sense at the moment. (no matter if +Dam or -RoF) Changing the Geddon into a Drone/E-War ship and the Abaddon into a pure Ganker would make sense.
Originally by: Lirt I really dont get it why you want damage bonus instead of rof. Its mathematically approved that rof bonus is far better than damage bonus...
You know that a -RoF bonus uses more cap then a +Dam one right?
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lirt I really dont get it why you want damage bonus instead of rof. Its mathematically approved that rof bonus is far better than damage bonus...
RoF bonus has a better DPS. However it also has a higher ammo (cap) usage. Less cap usage is good for this ship.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2006.11.22 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lirt I really dont get it why you want damage bonus instead of rof. Its mathematically approved that rof bonus is far better than damage bonus...
Was gonna answer this, but seems some people beat me to it
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AlexCA
Amarr De Valken BV
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Posted - 2006.11.22 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: AlexCA on 22/11/2006 14:19:55 Entire amarr BS line up needs a look at IMO
Tier 3 should be a tank gunboat (if not best tank ingame, its our main speciality after all yet caldari/gallente are currently just as good tanks)
Tier2 should be medium range gank (defining aspect of lasers)
Tier 1 should be something unconventional (fitting the trend/backstory of amarr stealing other races ideas for their lower tier ships.)
edit: also where is our missing frigate?
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.22 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Etherios
Originally by: Forsch You know this change does neither make us nor the minnies happy.
Speak for ur self plz... because it SURE is better than the RoF... and plz no more Drone/nos etc stupid recomendations PLZ
i'll say it again! mining yield bonus!!!!!!!
dmg bonus is a lot better than the rof one!!! thanks tux/CCP
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.22 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: AlexCA also where is our missing frigate?
I've been wondering the same thing.
Surely they've made some progress on this after three and a half years?
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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