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Aphotic Raven
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Posted - 2006.11.21 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 21/11/2006 11:58:03 Alright so the drakes been nerfed... bad for caldari.. good for everyone else... but is the ROF bonus the real problem?
I agree that caldari should NEVER be given a missle ganker. Caldari get all damage types. Caldari use no cap to fire them. Caldari make eve a worse place to be.
Have they killed the 5% resist bonus yet? it needs to go first. Other than that its probably hams that are the problem... Sure range is limited to 10km or so but that nerfs me (blaster/nos/drone) because of the retarded refire rate of the drake.
Next... caps not a problem.. nor is tracking.. nor is range.. nor are any of the problems real pvpers have to deal with... leave the carebear ships to carebearing.
Next... unlike a blaster ship... they can just reload and fire at you from 60km+ away...
Next... unless you're moving faster than the missle and away from it, it WILL hit you and it WILL hurt, perhaps interceptors can tank them, good for them, the crow pilots (orbiting out of web range firing missles that hit forever... (can the same dps/result be achieved with t2 rails on a ceptor? or is the crow just rediculous) will be pleased.
The drake should be weak, not tanky, hurray for that...
If HAMs MUST be a part of eve limit the ships they can fit on... caracal vs thorax is a close fight if the caracal pilot is good... HAMs might make it a pointless fight as the rax will just explode far sooner than it currently would... but i havent tested this... so i'll wait and see.
nerfing the ROF bonus for a kinetic bonus is good i suppose... but do the caldari need ANOTHER carebear ship? i think not...
Feel free to flame away about how caldari cant pvp... or how their ships are ugly so they should get a boost... or even how their crap is more expensive because of demand...
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.21 12:01:00 -
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seems to me, that most of what you described is the advantages of drones too... NERF DRONES AND DRONE SHIPS!!!11!eleven"!!
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Mallakk
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Posted - 2006.11.21 13:27:00 -
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Another day, another pointless whine.
Clueless posters must get infos about : "dps", "delayed damage", "explosion velocity", "med slot for tanking not EW"
Now go train for caldari, get 5M sp in missiles and enjoy the solo fight as caldari. You will really regret your taranis/dominix/thorax pwnmobiles...
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kalath1032
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:59:00 -
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mate you know nothing caracal vs thorax the thorax will always win its a fact SO STFU
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ChronoLynx
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:14:00 -
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1600mm plating rax 4tw! Caracal 4tL!
End of story, and nerfing the ROF bonus on the drake was a bad choice imho, it should be a mini-raven... but that is just my opinion, and as I am caldari and fly caldari ships I would say change it back but leave it with 6 launchers. Also, as of late, catching me in a caldari ship is slim to none, I have taken a liking to the pwnmobileness of the Gallente ships. |
Quilan Ziller
Gallente Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Corvinus seems to me, that most of what you described is the advantages of drones too... NERF DRONES AND DRONE SHIPS!!!11!eleven"!!
Not that I completely agree with the OP... But your analogy is flawed. Drones can be killed. Very easily if you do it with missiles. And they are also slower.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Quilan Ziller
Originally by: Lucian Corvinus seems to me, that most of what you described is the advantages of drones too... NERF DRONES AND DRONE SHIPS!!!11!eleven"!!
Not that I completely agree with the OP... But your analogy is flawed. Drones can be killed. Very easily if you do it with missiles. And they are also slower.
And no ship has enough room for a full set of each dmg type.
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Evelgrivion
Cohort.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Risien Drogonne
Originally by: Quilan Ziller
Originally by: Lucian Corvinus seems to me, that most of what you described is the advantages of drones too... NERF DRONES AND DRONE SHIPS!!!11!eleven"!!
Not that I completely agree with the OP... But your analogy is flawed. Drones can be killed. Very easily if you do it with missiles. And they are also slower.
And no ship has enough room for a full set of each dmg type.
And not many a caldari ship can damage the drones sufficiently with each volley to actually eliminate the threat in that manner, not after all the explosion radius nerfs.
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Aphotic Raven
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Posted - 2006.11.22 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: Risien Drogonne
Originally by: Quilan Ziller
Originally by: Lucian Corvinus seems to me, that most of what you described is the advantages of drones too... NERF DRONES AND DRONE SHIPS!!!11!eleven"!!
Not that I completely agree with the OP... But your analogy is flawed. Drones can be killed. Very easily if you do it with missiles. And they are also slower.
And no ship has enough room for a full set of each dmg type.
And not many a caldari ship can damage the drones sufficiently with each volley to actually eliminate the threat in that manner, not after all the explosion radius nerfs.
Well, perhaps drones will get a nerf in 2010 when they fix the ai... which i witnessed get a navy vexor destroyed the other day as its drones aggroed on a friendly ferox for no reason in high sec.... lets hope the hapless pilot gets reimbursed.
And the point is not the ship... its the HAMs... i think the drake now is pathetic compared to the ferox... it needed a nerf but now it needs a boost... or nerf the ferox if you wanna make everyone angry...
Yes 1600mm thorax > caracal. Depends what range you start at.. blah blah blah.. the rax is better.
How do you see hams affecting the game? Also people whining about not being able to gank with a caldari ship... try damage mods and crap tank... most gank setups sacrifice their lows for damage mods anyway.
Next up a new point... targetting times... ive noticed an increasing difficulty in solo cruiser size pvp due to mass use of instas, at present in my rax (targetting skills at 4, lets not go crazy..) and no sensor boost i cant target/scram most cruisers before they warp... is it just the rax? or is kali going to be really hard on solo pvpers all round.... interceptors fleeing is fine but a cruiser? i think it should be possible to lock it down... if it keeps going like this i'll need a sensor booster for pvp (rest in peace web...) and that is bad for business =/
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Mallakk
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:09:00 -
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Quote: How do you see hams affecting the game? Also people whining about not being able to gank with a caldari ship... try damage mods and crap tank... most gank setups sacrifice their lows for damage mods anyway.
Caldari tank = med slot Ballistic control system = low slot
And a line of target painters will have no effect on something bigger than a cruiser, the effect will only be revelant on a frigate... with the blah blah penalities, speed of the frigate versus explosion velocity/radius...
As said before, you shoud really put 5M sp or more in missiles before coming and try to teach people some lesson.
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Nizar
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:45:00 -
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i dunno what u do in EVE, but since r comparing turrets with launcher like u do in your silly post, makes me think that u my friend dont have the foggiest idea what "real" pvp is and how it works. your seeming incompetence to use a turret ("...nor is range.. nor are any of the problems real pvpers have to deal with..." bla bla bla) doesnt predestinate u to call the rest of people who may use a missile in this game "carebears". and before u start whining again, yes i m caldari and would still blow your boat to dust in my gallant ship with a pair of turrets...
-------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:17:00 -
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Please share with me this caracal setup that beats a rax. I have been dueling a corpmate caracal vs. rax for ages, and have yet to win without drastically skewing the fight e.g. the 'start at 100km, no warping' kind of skew. At 'close' range, e.g. the distance which PvP is at, because of warp disruptors, the 'rax is hard to beat.
I'm _hoping_ that heavy assault missiles might improve this situation a bit.
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