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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:38:00 -
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The Idea -
As many know, Vix3n has started somthing in Eve with great initiative, which gave me an idea. The one thing I see holding back Vix3n is he has to operate under my corp which means he cant hire who he wants, he has no access to hangers or nothing of the sort. This has given me an idea.
The Idea is to create an alliance called Power Corrupts Industry's.
The Goal -
The goal of this idea is creat divisions inside of the corp. The first division of course will be the main IPO or corp - Power Corrupts Trading. This division will continue to function as it always has, making share holders isk.
Then I would allow a select few to create new corps or have already existing corps join PCT. These corps could exist of IPO's that are backed by PCI. If they are not backed by PCI they will not be permitted to join. They would also pay a small fee (25mil isk per month).
I would like to create what Vix has already done, a delivery / trade division. I would let Vix run this division if he is willing to create a corp for it. How this helps PCT is that he does my delivery work. How this helps Vix is he gets my contacts, he gets to use my name, and together we can create somthing bigger. I have not talked with him yet about this, but feel he would go for it.
I then would like to create another division for T1 production. I would need somone for this, I have nobody in mind yet. How this would help the over all picture is they could provide all of PCI ships that they need, while it would benifit via my points of contact, my knowledge with todays Eve Market, and via the hauling services Vix has. I would not be against having 3-4 corps for this. Each corp taking over its own region or 2.
This would be just the start. I am sure as eve goes on, there can be many more idea's created.
1. Vix if you see this let me know what you think. 2. If anyone has quesitons please ask. 3. If anyone has concerns please ask. 4. If anyone wants to apply for a division other than delivery please ask. 5. I am training for mega corp atm, but if somone can explain how somone else can create the alliance for me please do so, and aprox cost of doing it this way.
That is all. Thank You Share Holders who have made this possible today, and thank you Eve Community with your support. -----------------------------------------------
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.21 16:59:00 -
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Why would the alliance be necessary? You are not claiming any space, and so it would honestly be 1 billion ISK wasted for a name.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:00:00 -
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You are better to pay Hardin 50 mil isk + the 1 bill fee, to create the alliance for you. Quick and easier than training corp management skills.
My main problem is that you could (note the word could), use this to approve say 5 IPOs, make a load of money and run away with it all. Essentially, you would have absolute power to make and approve any ipo you want. And as I'm sure you well know, power corrupts.
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Vix3n
Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Vix3n on 21/11/2006 17:34:39 When I originally asked you about alliances and starting this operation, that was my idea. But I wasn't even going to dare as you to fund 1 bill ISK for an idea of mine. I would love to run a separate corp for this project, while still standing in your shadow on it. I think this could be a very beneficial idea. It would open up a lot more doors and allow for expansion much easier and with less hassle to you. I'd love to help forge it. I think that we should definitely discuss it further. However, you and I are both busy people and contact in game for such a collaboration seems a little restricting. I sent you an evemail on alternate ways of contacting me.
I often get way ahead of myself, but since you mentioned it... You could even tap out in all different areas. 1) Mining Devision 2) Production Devision 3) Shipping Devision
The mining dev. would support the production dev. with reduced prices on materials, the shipping dev would transport the materials to the production devision, the production devision would produce merchandise for the shipping devision to deliver and distribute.
This would cut down on all of those middleman prices and you wouldn't need mining contracts ect. It would all be taken care of intra-alliance.
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Gobblock
Serenity Mining
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:40:00 -
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I would be interested in participating in such a thing. I have worked with vix for a very short time, yet between ingame and these forums i have seen a strong desire to build something strong.
I would like to be included in the discussion about how such a system would be devised, and optimized. (maybe we need some kind of out of game forum for cpt of some kind?)
I will be sending you an eve mail with a short background of my skills in eve
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Winded Destruction
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:50:00 -
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I am currently also working with Vix, and hopefully we'll be able to have a good old time hauling things together, and make some money at it too.
We're in this together
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:05:00 -
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This alliance structuring was first discussed several months ago by an infamous and mostly forgotten defunct public corp. Do you intend on having all divisions as public entities that pay dividends? If so, will PCT get a percentage of these shares?
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:07:00 -
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Aside from the official alliance, I think this is a fine idea. We could use more honest, reliable, money-making corporations on the market. _
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Vix3n
Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Erfnam This alliance structuring was first discussed several months ago by an infamous and mostly forgotten defunct public corp. Do you intend on having all divisions as public entities that pay dividends? If so, will PCT get a percentage of these shares?
I know this question isn't directed towards me, but I couldn't see the shipping department being a public company that pays dividents. If this setup were to occur (indcluding production) a large part of the hauling would be shifted towards internal work and would probably cut down more on expense than it would produce revenue. Speculative though. There are alot of ways this could be organized!
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Proton Power on 21/11/2006 18:28:20 I dont think I explained this well enough.
Over all I will not let just any IPO into my corp. So far there is only 1 IPO I would consider, and thats because I already stated I back it 100% and invested a very healthy amount of isk into it myself. This alliance would not be an alliance anyone could just join and form an IPO because they are bored and or want to scam people.
ALSO - Not all corps in PCI would be IPO's. It could be a corp that feels they want to try and run a t1 adventure. Or a corp that runs POS's and they could pay a Fee to be in PCI. The fee would be for the contacts it creates. Everything would be inhouse, your hauling, your ships, your modules, your t2 componets, possibly your mineals if we get a few mining corps into PCI. My over all goal would be for it to become one big team.
Over all its just a way for PCT to grow. I want it to grow, but I dont want people actually joining PCT to make that happen. This is a way around that.
As per would PCT make isk off of it. Possibly in the long run it may see some return, but this would open up doors to other avenues to make isk IMO, and make it a lot more fun for me to run.
Goal -
To become a One Stop Shop basicly. If you need BPO research, you come to PCI. If you need somthing picked up and deliverd, you come to PCI. If you need t2 componets, or a t1 ship, you come to PCI. Possibly even once invention comes out and I have some time to study it we could even get a division for t2 goods. Even alliances would be able to use this service think about it, if they need t1 items we can build them and deliver them, if they need POS Fuels, T2 Goods we can buy them and get them to the alliances. I would put Myself and once this grows one or two others in charge of these tasks.
Basicly create an Industry Power house that is well known with a good rep. Why would it have a good rep, because all complaints would go to me, and over all I would run the alliance, and choose who can get in.
Yes it does cost 1bil isk, but tbh 1bil isk is not that much isk anymore. My BPO project has lost over 3bil isk thus far (finally gaining momentum and making isk), and I feel same would happen with this. It would take a while, some sweat and blood, but in the end we could become somthing great.
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Vix3n
Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:36:00 -
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Overall, *bravo* I'd love to see this happen. This solution fixes everything you want with your corp. It will grow and at the same time it wont affect your current operations. You've got my undevided effort. "Blood, sweat and tears."
Originally by: Proton Power
Possibly in the long run it may see some return, but this would open up doors to other avenues to make isk IMO, and make it a lot more fun for me to run.
That's definately my main concern and goal. Fun is what this game is supposed to be about. "If you make this game a job, it will become a chore."
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power Edited by: Proton Power on 21/11/2006 18:28:20 I dont think I explained this well enough.
Over all I will not let just any IPO into my corp. So far there is only 1 IPO I would consider, and thats because I already stated I back it 100% and invested a very healthy amount of isk into it myself. This alliance would not be an alliance anyone could just join and form an IPO because they are bored and or want to scam people.
ALSO - Not all corps in PCI would be IPO's. It could be a corp that feels they want to try and run a t1 adventure. Or a corp that runs POS's and they could pay a Fee to be in PCI. The fee would be for the contacts it creates. Everything would be inhouse, your hauling, your ships, your modules, your t2 componets, possibly your mineals if we get a few mining corps into PCI. My over all goal would be for it to become one big team.
Over all its just a way for PCT to grow. I want it to grow, but I dont want people actually joining PCT to make that happen. This is a way around that.
As per would PCT make isk off of it. Possibly in the long run it may see some return, but this would open up doors to other avenues to make isk IMO, and make it a lot more fun for me to run.
Goal -
To become a One Stop Shop basicly. If you need BPO research, you come to PCI. If you need somthing picked up and deliverd, you come to PCI. If you need t2 componets, or a t1 ship, you come to PCI. Possibly even once invention comes out and I have some time to study it we could even get a division for t2 goods. Even alliances would be able to use this service think about it, if they need t1 items we can build them and deliver them, if they need POS Fuels, T2 Goods we can buy them and get them to the alliances. I would put Myself and once this grows one or two others in charge of these tasks.
Basicly create an Industry Power house that is well known with a good rep. Why would it have a good rep, because all complaints would go to me, and over all I would run the alliance, and choose who can get in.
Yes it does cost 1bil isk, but tbh 1bil isk is not that much isk anymore. My BPO project has lost over 3bil isk thus far (finally gaining momentum and making isk), and I feel same would happen with this. It would take a while, some sweat and blood, but in the end we could become somthing great.
Its fine so long as you don't let sponsored IPO use the excuse that YOU have approved them as some sort of gaurentee.
I assume you will have high standards such as publishing all their main chars, wallet screenshots, bpo lockdowns, etc etc.
I'm not saying you are a scam, but look at this:
You set up PCT, pay back 200% of investment, loose 5/10 bil say. You set up an alliance and set up 10 alt IPOs which are all ponzai schemes, inflating themselves when they get to 50% of their market value as payout. In one year you could make trillions from that
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:13:00 -
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Shin Ra & Others with same type question.
PCI is in no way going to form an alliance for IPO's to join it for that sole purpose. I am not creating the alliance to have IPO's join it. 99% of the corps that join PCI will not be IPO's. As I said before I think, there is only 1 IPO currently that I would even let in.
This is not an adventure to get all the IPO's in one big alliance, this is an adventure to make PCT bigger and help a few people on the way. -----------------------------------------------
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mechtech
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:40:00 -
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I'm actually already doing this.
Vix3n is currently my hauler for my junkyard operation. As the business grows, I expect it to turn into more of a management position, hiring other haulers with the 30% share.
I only have hauling work about once every 10 days though, so it can't be a full tiem job.
I think that Vix3n should just start a hauling corp, and start taking orders from people like us, it seems like there is demand for a good hauling service, and the contract system should be an opportunity to find new ways to organize work in a corp.
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Vix3n
Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power Shin Ra & Others with same type question.
PCI is in no way going to form an alliance for IPO's to join it for that sole purpose. I am not creating the alliance to have IPO's join it. 99% of the corps that join PCI will not be IPO's. As I said before I think, there is only 1 IPO currently that I would even let in.
This is not an adventure to get all the IPO's in one big alliance, this is an adventure to make PCT bigger and help a few people on the way.
Further, PCI would not be inviting IPOs to join an alliance. I think Proton was simply posting this idea for review and critique as well as informing his current shareholders of his plan for expansion. It's not a job-fair topic. It's an, "I've got good a rough idea on how to expand, and input?" post.
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Its fine so long as you don't let sponsored IPO use the excuse that YOU have approved them as some sort of gaurentee. I assume you will have high standards such as publishing all their main chars, wallet screenshots, bpo lockdowns, etc etc.
Trust is earned. Not given. So yes, I could make it a hiring requirement to get extensive knowledge on all other characters that would be applying. The department itself would most likely hold all of the risk and responsibility for the jobs; not the individual hauler. If there were a problem it would rest on my lap, including everything from receiving orders, working out the details, satisfying the client, delegating workloads to employees, all the way to dealing with any would-be-thiefÆs, thus inevitably affecting my reputation. This is my only character and my personal value in a character is not the size of his wallet but the how respectable his reputation is.
Skepticism is expected, but its amazing to me the amount of distrust there is in this game; even between the oldest and most-highly-respectable playersà I hope we can change that in a huge way.
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Ferrosa
Gallente Lyonesse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:02:00 -
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If you'd consider allowing some older players in with their (2-man) corp, that would be great.
I have been looking for a small alliance to join for some time now. An alliance that doesn't focus on pvp but on industrial aspects of the game. My corp currently has a total value of around 4.7B isk and I have some capital component BPOs. The point is, that I could help you with different aspects of the corps needs, such as occasional PvP (although i'm not very vTry leet), hauling (indy 5 in 3 days), mining (ice and/or regulars), production or research...
I am willing to start at the bottom, yet managing my own assets on my own, whilst giving (and taking) to (and from) the alliance what you (we) need.
Contact me ingame if you would consider letting me join or if you want to talk extensively first, stating our intentions and finding our common goals.
Greetings, Ferrosa
ps: for those of you that say that I rarely come online, you may have noticed that I've been playing more recently than before, and that this will increase with the weeks :-)
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Zolcan
Amarr Sovereign Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.11.22 03:12:00 -
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I like the concept and it lets Proton be a "mentor" to newer businesspeople in Eve. The alliance is a nice idea although a war dec could make that troublesome. Still overall its a very sound plan and kudos to Proton for looking at ways to help the market community.
Zolcan
SOVEREIGN ENTERPRISES WEBPAGE AND FORUMS
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Kesslan Osefice
Panther's Paw Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.22 04:32:00 -
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Well Proton. I must say, your idea sounds interesting. On the production side of things perhaps you and I can come to some sort of agreement. Though to be prefectly honest I'm not entirely sure just how much of a load my corp can handle at the moment. We are still small, and currently have just as many new members as old.
There are a few other things to take into consideration, as well as the currently still somewhat limited production my company is capable of ship wise at least. (Right now just industrials, all caldari ships up to battle cruiser, all friggate types and a few other misc cruiser types BPO side of things)
I'm not sure what area you operate out of either, though currently we are operating out lowsec in the Derelik region. In any case if you feel we might be able to come to some mutualy benificial arrangement by all means get in touch with me here or in game.
I'll see about getting in touch with you directly, though that may have to wait till the weekend depending on what times your on (As durring the week alas my EVE availablity is somewhat limited)
I'd also recomend you talk to my right hand man in the corp, except that he's currently away from EVE for a time due to RL issues which I shall not discuss here. To be perfectly honest one of the major reasons I'm comming forward is largely due to several reasons.
-One: You seem to have a very good reputation around here and what verly limited dealings I've had with you so far upholds this.
-Two: The idea you have is somewhat along the lines my Co-CEO and I were discussing setting up though.. well quite abit larger in scope and likely abit more organized.
-Three: To be honest, my corp is small, likely not even a blip on anyones radar at the moment, but at the same time the core of the corp and it's members are dedicated and desire to see the corporation grow into something to be really proud of. Further more most of if not all of our members are driven more by the desire for success, than purely money. As such your idea seems to be an ideal thing for us to take a leap at and hope for the best for both parties. We arnt planning to do an IPO. And I'm not sure I'd ever really want to. But at the same time, one needs money to expand and we badly need clients, as currently we are soley making money selling directly to the market. And that while effective, is slow at best currently, and really not as ideal as having actual clients.
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.22 14:08:00 -
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I need to know if any of my major share holders are against this (500mil or more in shares).
You have about 24hrs before I make my decision. Thank You.
For those that have contacted me, Let me see what some share holders feel on this, let me get some things up and going. I know I can do this, and I know with the dedication from other Eve players we can do this. -----------------------------------------------
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Psychotic Penguin
Gallente Fouska
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Posted - 2006.11.23 03:28:00 -
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this is a wery interesting Idea, if your share holders like it and you are going to go ahead with it I will send you a proposal/buisniss plan during the weekend. ____________________________________________________ "Reality is for those who have no imagination." - Adi Imeri |
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.23 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power I need to know if any of my major share holders are against this (500mil or more in shares).
Why not just have a vote?
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Kesslan Osefice
Panther's Paw Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.23 05:38:00 -
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Aye I agree with DS. Just start a vote with your shares, everyone I belive will get an evemail about it. It's what I used to do internally with my own corp before we finally got a proper forum with polls. I used to give each member 1 share, start a vote, and let em vote it out. Give it a druation of however long. Worked quite well.
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.24 04:39:00 -
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I have made my decision, I will be creating an alliance in next few days when I get a chance to sit down for a few hours and work out the details I will let everyone know.
If you have plans to create and IPO this alliance is not for you. This alliance is not forming to back other IPO's its forming to create an industry power house, if you feel your corp can help create anything industry wise please contact me.
Some Points On This -
- This alliance will not profit off of each other. This alliance is forming to support each other, share contacts, and help corps with there downfalls.
- Does this mean you can't make isk, HECK NO. It means you will not make isk gouging other alliance mates. PERIOD.
- I will run the alliance, each CEO will have a main focus on top of there normal corp activities. I will not run your corp for you, but there will be rules and expectations. See above.
- If at anytime I feel you are not a help to the alliance in the bigger picture or making a bad name for PCI you will be removed from the alliance with no thoughts are second hesitation.
This is all for now. More info to come. -----------------------------------------------
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Vix3n
Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.24 04:56:00 -
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Excellent! Glad to hear it, Proton. My little operation is growing faster than I have room to expand. It'll be nice to settle all of these people into a separate corp. I'd love to hear the details as soon as you have them.
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Kesslan Osefice
Panther's Paw Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.24 06:23:00 -
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Hey Proton what time of the day (server time or EST reference preferably) are you on? I'd like to have an actual chat with you about your plans and what, if anything my corp would actually be in a position to do really.
Personally I'm not on normally till bout 02:00 server time and then on till an hour or two after DT. Though these days thats mostly durring the weekends as I tend to work slightly between those hours on weekdays now. If your not around those times, I'll try to make a shot at getting up early/staying up late to try and catch you this saturday or sunday.
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