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Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2015.06.17 06:08:21 -
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joecuster wrote:This change is good it kills the blob and forces people to learn to play the game
Care to offer some reasoning behind that, or is the feeling of "truthiness" sufficient?
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HiddenPorpoise
Expendable Miscreants
362
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Posted - 2015.06.17 06:18:25 -
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Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:I really do want to know how this nerfs bombers. People keep saying it does, and I keep thinking about in, but I just can't figure it out. It doesn't do anything for bombers. Really. Bomb runs use a once off "bookmark" for a perch, so most of the time you don't bother with the bookmark. Just warp to fleet member. And what happens when you have to bomb now? Does the bomb magically leave your bay from your perch and end up on the reds? Or does the FC have to warp squad @ 30 to whatever you want to bomb? (Unless you're setting up on a gate..) If FC can't warp squad to 30, then some poor sod will have to sit at 30 in just the right alignment so you can warp to them and bomb before losing alignment, or do a kamikaze @ 0 and then you can bomb him @ 30. That extra dude stuck in the line of fire.. things make sense now? If they're anything like my bombing FCs they'll just target a wreck and tell us to warp to that then target a ship. I have never been fleet warped to a hostle grid in a bomber. |
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2015.06.17 06:24:01 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:If they're anything like my bombing FCs they'll just target a wreck and tell us to warp to that then target a ship. I have never been fleet warped to a hostle grid in a bomber.
You kidding.. you're missing out! Also, 'a' ship? You'd so missing out :)
You get a timely warp @30 and you can wipe out a whole fleet. Look up some youtube videos of Nulli Secunda first void bombing tengus and then electron bombing them to oblivion. All right into the hostile grid.
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Dermeisen
18
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Posted - 2015.06.17 06:31:17 -
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Arrendis wrote:Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:baltec1 wrote:All you did earlier on is show you have no idea how our fleets work. I'll leave it to general populace to judge the absurdity of your claim of a 250 man fleet as being a one-man show. Actually, he's right. The current line of FC fittings for our fleets all include the ability to probe. ...... 90% of humanity is a bunch of mouth-breathing morons who'd have a hard time finding their heads with both hands if they weren't attached. This is also why for large organizations, fittings are standardized - we simply don't trust the average salt-of-the-earth nitwit to have the first clue how to fit a ship. We also tend not to trust the average salt-of-the-earth nitwit to not be shooting his own fleet members during a fight - and experience has proven us right on this one at least once pretty much every fight. So if you expect the FCs to not be control-freaks who feel like this change means they have to do everything themselves on even more simultaneous logins... you're either incredibly naive, or smoking crack. ...... Edit to add: As for the specific claim about 'a 250 man fleet being a one-man show'... it's usually more like a four-man show. Maybe up to 9 if you want to include the WC's turning their boosts on and off.
Beyond your contempt for you fellow man I'd have to agree with your diagnosis if not the cause. These 'mouth breathers' need responsibility that's the only way they'll get good - and they will get real good given the chance, Fozzie sov will do it. These changes are uncomfortable and will challenge your faith in a brother but it's this kind of attitude that has really kicked this game in the proverbials. Nerf FCs listen to the guys who are best at the game such as Gorski Car.
"Not the Boreworms!"
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HiddenPorpoise
Expendable Miscreants
362
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Posted - 2015.06.17 06:52:12 -
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Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:If they're anything like my bombing FCs they'll just target a wreck and tell us to warp to that then target a ship. I have never been fleet warped to a hostle grid in a bomber. You kidding.. you're missing out! Also, 'a' ship? You'd so missing out :) You get a timely warp @30 and you can wipe out a whole fleet. Look up some youtube videos of Nulli Secunda first void bombing tengus and then electron bombing them to oblivion. All right into the hostile grid. I don't think you understood any of what I just said. |
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2015.06.17 07:03:42 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:If they're anything like my bombing FCs they'll just target a wreck and tell us to warp to that then target a ship. I have never been fleet warped to a hostle grid in a bomber. You kidding.. you're missing out! Also, 'a' ship? You'd so missing out :) You get a timely warp @30 and you can wipe out a whole fleet. Look up some youtube videos of Nulli Secunda first void bombing tengus and then electron bombing them to oblivion. All right into the hostile grid. I don't think you understood any of what I just said.
Do tell. What did I miss?
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Dermeisen
19
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Posted - 2015.06.17 07:27:04 -
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Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:If they're anything like my bombing FCs they'll just target a wreck and tell us to warp to that then target a ship. I have never been fleet warped to a hostle grid in a bomber. You kidding.. you're missing out! Also, 'a' ship? You'd so missing out :) You get a timely warp @30 and you can wipe out a whole fleet. Look up some youtube videos of Nulli Secunda first void bombing tengus and then electron bombing them to oblivion. All right into the hostile grid. I don't think you understood any of what I just said. Do tell. What did I miss?
I agree Pi the confusion comes from you guys talking at cross-porpoises, 'Hidden Porpoise' is talking, I guess, about a bomber torp fit rather than in a bombing role , the timings and direction do require a little more finesse in the bombing role.
LOVE your toon's name 'Hidden Porpoise'
"Not the Boreworms!"
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Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2015.06.17 07:34:00 -
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Dermeisen wrote: I agree Pi the confusion comes from you guys talking at cross-porpoises, 'Hidden Porpoise' is talking, I guess, about a bomber torp fit rather than in a bombing role , the timings and direction do require a little more finesse in the bombing role.
LOVE your toon's name 'Hidden Porpoise'
Hah, that makes sense. Well then.. if that is how HiddenPorpoise has only used bombers.. can I just say to him again is.. boy you're missing out!!! =) |
X4me1eoH
AirGuard LowSechnaya Sholupen
211
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Posted - 2015.06.17 08:26:48 -
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Every patch, the game gets worse and worse. First, you make this uncolored, nondescript and inconvenient neocom Second, you make crude version of new map. With broken filters. Gods, it is a year in beta version. Third, new crude overview. With ******* drones looks like a ships. Fourthly you want remove fleet warp. What else?
WHY YOU MAKE GAME UNCOMFORTABLE? |
joecuster
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
66
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Posted - 2015.06.17 08:51:12 -
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These casual tears are the best. Fozzie can rate how good a patch is for the health of the game by how many bads come out of the wood work. The more bads crying, the better it is. |
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Aphoxema G
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
381
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Posted - 2015.06.17 09:26:23 -
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So max probe skills and best hardware isn't going to be enough to catch most people now. |
X4me1eoH
AirGuard LowSechnaya Sholupen
211
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Posted - 2015.06.17 09:48:41 -
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maybe remove fleetwarp and wingwarp? but retain squadwarp? |
Executor Ardur
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:09:45 -
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it will seem that this thread is going to become rather large. Seem a lot of people are not happy or got plenty to say about how badly rushed it is. In comparison has the largest reply with other threads that were very important from the date it was initiated... Someone is going to be come very un popular with the eve community. |
Jellyfish Original
Dawn Expeditionary Force
6
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Posted - 2015.06.17 10:57:51 -
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Maybe CCP should restore the old mechanic on developers experiencing the game, which developers can have regular accounts. Then we are sure that it is not that someone who does not play eve developing it. |
Schluffi Schluffelsen
State War Academy Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:17:04 -
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Honestly, just remove fleet warp as a feature in general :) |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16234
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:23:03 -
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Jellyfish Original wrote:Maybe CCP should restore the old mechanic on developers experiencing the game, which developers can have regular accounts. Then we are sure that it is not that someone who does not play eve developing it.
CSM asked for this
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5362
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:49:47 -
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baltec1 wrote:Jellyfish Original wrote:Maybe CCP should restore the old mechanic on developers experiencing the game, which developers can have regular accounts. Then we are sure that it is not that someone who does not play eve developing it. CSM asked for this
Specifically Manny, who was quite vociferous on the matter.
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
327
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:52:07 -
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Awkward Pi Duolus wrote: Thank you for your detailed response. I underlined two parts that actually make the same points I was making in my posts, and that baltec1 was supposedly refuting.
Well, except for the fact that's not wrong. That brick-tanked damnation? Has probes. The FC Proteus? Has Probes. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
327
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:01:27 -
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Dermeisen wrote: Beyond your contempt for you fellow man I'd have to agree with your diagnosis if not the cause. These 'mouth breathers' need responsibility that's the only way they'll get good - and they will get real good given the chance, Fozzie sov will do it. These changes are uncomfortable and will challenge your faith in a brother but it's this kind of attitude that has really kicked this game in the proverbials. Nerf FCs listen to the guys who are best at the game such as Gorski Car.
Believe it or don't, I'm an optimist at heart who'd really love to believe in the basic ability of individuals to rise to the occasion when they must... I've just seen enough of the world to know that unfortunately... they don't. Not 'they can't', mind you - they don't. They're far more likely to keep on wallowing where they are, blaming everyone for their problems but their own unwillingness to rouse themselves from what they think is relative 'comfort'.
And again, if you think I'm being unfair in my assessment, ask yourself why every large organization has to pretty much write policy instructions, safety instructions, etc etc, for the lowest common denominator? Even the ones who start off from a position of filtering out the really low-end applicants? Why the assumption of individual performance is minimal, again and again?
I really wish I was wrong. I'm not. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
327
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:04:26 -
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1nverted wrote:1. Make non slippery pete snipper doctrines viable again as it will take longer for tackle to land on them. In this added time, the sniper fleet can fully align.
and simultaneously make people wonder why they're flying a sniper doctrine that isn't bubble-immune, more maneuverable than battleships and sniper ABCs, and even harder to probe down!
Yeah. Really gonna bring back the non-Pete snipers. If anything, Petes will be the order of the day everywhere. |
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TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
155
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Posted - 2015.06.17 12:48:57 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:Have you considered making the game more fun for a change
This quote that was all that was needed in response to this idea.
This and the last few changes lead to:
- Fleet warp is now becoming a hassle and will take longer.. - My warping is slower (i hate frigate pvp) - I now have fatigue timers
Three changes that are making travelling take longer, and limiting my actual pvp time. I play EVE because i want to PVP not travel.
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SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
307
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:08:22 -
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I frequently have frigate gangs attempt to probe and warp to me. With this change, I'll know if a cloaky prober is after me by seeing if just one guy warps to me, or a whole bunch. If its a bunch, I'll know there must be a cloaky prober close...opening up the viability of using CRAZY IVAN manoeuvers to find and kill them. +1 |
Annah Sun-Scape
Temet Nosce Ex Astra
12
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:26:08 -
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Fleet warp need changes! |
HiddenPorpoise
Expendable Miscreants
363
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:39:21 -
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Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:HiddenPorpoise wrote:If they're anything like my bombing FCs they'll just target a wreck and tell us to warp to that then target a ship. I have never been fleet warped to a hostle grid in a bomber. You kidding.. you're missing out! Also, 'a' ship? You'd so missing out :) You get a timely warp @30 and you can wipe out a whole fleet. Look up some youtube videos of Nulli Secunda first void bombing tengus and then electron bombing them to oblivion. All right into the hostile grid. I don't think you understood any of what I just said. Do tell. What did I miss? Targeting a single ship is to line up the shot on the center of the fleet, we didn't get fleet warps to hostle grids so that lag wouldn't decloak everyone. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1917
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:40:23 -
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Arrendis wrote:1nverted wrote:1. Make non slippery pete snipper doctrines viable again as it will take longer for tackle to land on them. In this added time, the sniper fleet can fully align.
and simultaneously make people wonder why they're flying a sniper doctrine that isn't bubble-immune, more maneuverable than battleships and sniper ABCs, and even harder to probe down! Yeah. Really gonna bring back the non-Pete snipers. If anything, Petes will be the order of the day everywhere.
That's because Petes are ******* ********. Whoever though it was a great idea to design a ship would would be both combat capable and able to dodge interdiction system is the guy to blame. He isn't necessarily an idiot but he did lack forethought in the same way supercap/titan design was lacking... |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1917
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:41:46 -
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TinkerHell wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:Have you considered making the game more fun for a change This quote that was all that was needed in response to this idea. This and the last few changes lead to: - Fleet warp is now becoming a hassle and will take longer.. - My warping is slower (i hate frigate pvp) - I now have fatigue timers Three changes that are making travelling take longer, and limiting my actual pvp time. I play EVE because i want to PVP not travel.
Live closer to target and you won't have to travel that damn long. |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
307
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:55:25 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Arrendis wrote:1nverted wrote:1. Make non slippery pete snipper doctrines viable again as it will take longer for tackle to land on them. In this added time, the sniper fleet can fully align.
and simultaneously make people wonder why they're flying a sniper doctrine that isn't bubble-immune, more maneuverable than battleships and sniper ABCs, and even harder to probe down! Yeah. Really gonna bring back the non-Pete snipers. If anything, Petes will be the order of the day everywhere. That's because Petes are ******* ********. Whoever though it was a great idea to design a ship would would be both combat capable and able to dodge interdiction system is the guy to blame. He isn't necessarily an idiot but he did lack forethought in the same way supercap/titan design was lacking...
Awww...Pete's ruining your game? Wait a minute, I thought that was supposed to be Goons MO. |
stoicfaux
5910
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:02:36 -
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TinkerHell wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:Have you considered making the game more fun for a change This quote that was all that was needed in response to this idea. This and the last few changes lead to: - Fleet warp is now becoming a hassle and will take longer.. - My warping is slower (i hate frigate pvp) - I now have fatigue timers Three changes that are making travelling take longer, and limiting my actual pvp time. I play EVE because i want to PVP not travel. The goons have realized that it is easier to "ruin your gameplay" by controlling the CSM rather than trying to herd their cats (members) in-game for the same goal?
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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davet517
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:08:14 -
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So, you'll need scouts that you trust enough to warp to when they say they have a good warp-in, or, you'll have to juggle a bunch of alts because you don't have scouts that you trust. Not having good scouts will be a disadvantage. Seems reasonable.
A decent scout will know a good warp-in from a bad one. A better scout will have flown with the FC enough to know the positioning that he or she prefers. A really good scout will be able to keep the target between them and the fleet so that they can call for a warp-in at range and land their fleet at 0, if that's what they're trying to do.
So, you've expanded the number of players in a 200 man fleet that need skill beyond "shoot the primary", or "rep the broadcast" from one, to several. I don't see that as an unreasonable expectation.
You have made living in a WH more tedious, but, not terribly so. Again, good scouts will be at a premium.
You've also made it (intentionally or not) even more difficult to ninja-move a capital or super. It's pretty standard to have the cyno fleet warp the ship jumping in to a safe when it lands. |
kraken11 jensen
The Gallant Collective Requiem Eternal
88
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:17:42 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Anger. Denial. Attempts to compromise. Acceptance.
CCP thinks that everyone will get over it and move on to "the next thing to whine about" because all of it is just "people not liking change"
well, I think personally that if if ccp make the game more off an hassle (less fun and more work) that then maybe people 're going to unsub. if not all off his/her account's, then maybe every account without 1. but idk. -.- |
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