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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.06.12 11:21:42 -
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Currently for old nullsec LP stores, there is no point of taking a ship hull ( especially cruiser and battleship hull ). This is due to changes to drop rates, escalation rates, and pirate ships over the years.
Nightmare/ Ratlesnake / Machariel / Bahaghorn BPC drop rate is so high that no one ever will pull BPC for those ships from LP store, or even think about getting a hull for LP points.
My proposal is to change all battleship BPC for those hulls to 4 runs for the same amount of LP. In case of the stores where the ready hull can be obtained , i propose to reduce the amount LP needed in exchange for additional Tags needed.
Yes this will make those hulls probably even cheaper , but at the same time will bring again possibility to have this option in LP store viable.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
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nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
162
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:43:35 -
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I would look at this from another point. Pirate LP stores have blueprints at fixed cost level, which means people won't be pulling them if conversion ratio is 1000isk/lp (well they could, but..). Blueprints from faction spawns/escalations on the other hand have no fixed value, someone can just put it on market at any price they see profitable. If you just make blueprints from LP stores cost less, people doing escalation and getting BPs from faction spawns will undercut you anyway. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:21:13 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:
Nightmare/ Ratlesnake / Machariel / Bahaghorn BPC drop rate is so high
High? Right... I must have had really really bad luck in the numerous sites I've done then. |
Anthar Thebess
1083
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Posted - 2015.06.16 08:03:12 -
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True farmer , can get around 20-30 per month. This is insane , but makes this item totally not viable in a LP store.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
860
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Posted - 2015.06.16 09:36:33 -
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That, however, makes them more viable as spaceships to fly, so... |
Anthar Thebess
1083
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Posted - 2015.06.16 10:30:58 -
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The goal of this topic is not to make those hulls more rare , but make them also viable option in LP stores. Price might be even lower than now, but still , LP number needed for those ships is way to high after all those changes CCP did in all those years.
Maybe we could go even in a totally different way. Why we cannot have 1 run BPC (Nightmare/Machariel/ etc) for 20.000 LP and 200-300mil ISK?
Almost insane reduce in LP cost , but at the same moment this put this hull to current ISK value levels, while introducing excellent ISK sink.
Isk you pay in LP stores is actually removed from the system.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Civ Kado
Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic
81
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Posted - 2015.06.16 14:35:50 -
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I would like to see this change. None-FW LP store are pretty mediocre. |
Dungheap
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.16 16:18:49 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote: Other possibility.
Reduce the LP cost to 20.000 for a single run battleship BPC. Increase the ISK cost in lp store to 200-300mil.
Good ISK sink , and someone will actually pull those BPC from LP store.
yes , at ~ 9000 isk / LP , it would probably be a popular item .
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Anthar Thebess
1083
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Posted - 2015.06.16 16:24:22 -
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Dungheap wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote: Other possibility.
Reduce the LP cost to 20.000 for a single run battleship BPC. Increase the ISK cost in lp store to 200-300mil.
Good ISK sink , and someone will actually pull those BPC from LP store.
yes , at ~ 9000 isk / LP , it would probably be a popular item . Well demand is not to big for this thing, and tons of isk will be pulled out. It is easy to make 20k lp. 20k LP , 300mil and next 170mil to build a battleship. So 470mil of raw costs not connected to the LP.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2015.06.16 16:28:21 -
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Dungheap wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote: Other possibility.
Reduce the LP cost to 20.000 for a single run battleship BPC. Increase the ISK cost in lp store to 200-300mil.
Good ISK sink , and someone will actually pull those BPC from LP store.
yes , at ~ 9000 isk / LP , it would probably be a popular item .
? math ?
i bought a ratlle bpc for 180m in jita. (I can assume with 90% certainty that it was a drop and not LP store purchased bpc)
what he said is that LP for rattle would cost 20klp + 200m isk.
That is still more then 180m, your lp/isk ratio is negative. |
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1208
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Posted - 2015.06.16 17:18:49 -
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and that is the problem with LP stores
at at only 20k LP to get a bs bpc, well... I can only imagine the market getting flooded in the short term, with a long term price reduction that will probably put the LP value either very small or negative. because you didn't change anything with the drop rates from other sources.
on the Empire side FW invalidates many empire LP stores, then there are a few other LP stores where value is capped ~2000 isk/lp because everyone has figured out what to sell, and you can easily convert CONCORD lp to whatever when it goes above that rate. typically items above that rate are low volume, or completely useless collectors pieces that are even lower volume.
personally I'm foreseeing a long term LP value drop, that said Tiericide could do some very interesting things to shake it up, but that would only be short run turbulence. see the concord part and it isn't too hard to relocate. And CCP directly messing with LP stores might go way too far in whatever direction.
I remember seeing 10 people in CNRs alone on the CPF undock in Irjunen, these days you are lucky to see 10 people in Irjunen.
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Nihta
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2015.06.16 19:32:33 -
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Just turn your PIrate LP into those sexy pirate implants..? |
Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.06.16 20:40:46 -
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BTW the real money in pirate missions is all the tags you can get your hands on. |
Dungheap
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.06.16 22:11:58 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Dungheap wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote: Other possibility.
Reduce the LP cost to 20.000 for a single run battleship BPC. Increase the ISK cost in lp store to 200-300mil.
Good ISK sink , and someone will actually pull those BPC from LP store.
yes , at ~ 9000 isk / LP , it would probably be a popular item . Well demand is not to big for this thing, and tons of isk will be pulled out. It is easy to make 20k lp. 20k LP , 300mil and next 170mil to build a battleship. So 470mil of raw costs not connected to the LP.
*edit : sorry , you did say bpc . i was comparing the built ship cost :p http://www.ellatha.com/eve/lp/Guardian-Angels mac bpc is about 300 mill in jita . LP store cost 400k LP and 100mill isk , giving 500 isk / LP at 200mill , your lower number , +20k LP , it's the same 500 isk / LP . and you're turning them out 20 times faster ; 20k LP vs. 400k LP . i'm still missing something here ..
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Anthar Thebess
1083
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Posted - 2015.06.17 07:18:16 -
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Economy is player based. Currently there is no minimal price tag for a BPC, as you pay mostly in BPC. Yes Rattlesnakes, Machariells ... well every one old faction battleship is cheap now. This will not change, as to many changes to drop/escalation rates where done. Ship stats where changed , maruders buffed.
What can i say - CCP will never agree on a BPC for 100mil and 20k LP - and the same price tag must be for battleships in respective LP store.
The whole point of this 20k LP and isk idea is that i can pay this isk for a BPC , and LP don't escalate costs to high.
No one will spend 400k LP on a battleship BPC , but 20k it is just 1 burner mission.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1215
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:05:47 -
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the problem remains, if you make it worthwhile to buy the ship BPCs from the LP store, the BPCs that come from drops will drop in price to match, and soon the LP store BPCs aren't worth getting again. And no one will want to pay 100s of millions of isk for the bpc.
@ChainsawPlankto
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