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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.06.15 10:00:25 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:March rabbit wrote:they get paid for it So did these dudes. ... GJ on the scam No problems here.
DId they have 'payed client' for every scam they did?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1696
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Posted - 2015.06.15 10:09:12 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:March rabbit wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Stacy Lone wrote:I'm still convinced the behavior we show in games were no boundaries inhibit us reflects who we would truly be if such boundaries did not exist irl), How do you feel about actors playing a role? they get paid for it And how is that relevant? For kids: Actor impersonates some person to create enjoyment for other people. He does his stuff in movie/series/ets to other actor who impersonates another person. In result all actions stay in movie. Plus actors get paid for their service. In simple words actors is just another profession.
Now try to think why did you bring actors here?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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CCP Falcon
11659
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:17:50 -
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Don't discuss warnings and bans on the forums.
Also, any further trolling, and this thread will be closed.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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Mag's
the united
19578
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:26:21 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Lucy Lopez wrote:Maybe I'm just not the 'right' type of player for EVE Online, but I get no enjoyment or satisfaction at all from listening to these Teamspeak conversations of people getting screwed over. Grats, you scammed someone, but do you have to be a **** about it? I bet the guys who pulled this off would say "it's just a game" etc etc, but when you record Teamspeak conversations and upload them to Soundcloud for people to laugh at you're taking things way more serious than people who actually think of EVE as "just a game". Actually, most of the baddies posting in here are of a relatively shared opinion on the matter. It was a great scam, nice payoff, well done. The recordings and the video however were in poor taste. Agreed.
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:52:28 -
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What these guys did is nothing different that 100 people have done before them. Erotica and his cronies are, as far as I know, the only people ever to be outright banned for it, and thats because they crossed the line from simple trolling into out and out psychological torture. Hell one of the first pieces of media I EVER saw online for EVE was a very famous video with some guys from m0o trolling a miner on Teamspeak after blowing him up. It was, quite frankly, hilarious. And I don't see why we have a distinction between posting salty in game chat and posting salty voice recordings. Both are the scam victims actual feelings and words on the matter.
If people can get banned for a straight up regular scam now then RIP EVE, its been a blast. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:58:02 -
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Hell now that I'm thinking of it :
IMO the most successful (in terms of capturing the feeling of EVE at least) ads for the game was the recent one containing teamspeak recordings. So is CCP saying "we're happy for teamspeak to be released from our players, but only if its people being HAPPY"?
Its fine if its for an advert but not if its for entertainment? |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
236
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Posted - 2015.06.15 12:15:01 -
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The Slayer wrote:Hell now that I'm thinking of it :
IMO the most successful (in terms of capturing the feeling of EVE at least) ads for the game was the recent one containing teamspeak recordings. So is CCP saying "we're happy for teamspeak to be released from our players, but only if its people being HAPPY"?
Its fine if its for an advert but not if its for entertainment?
There is a board where adverst finish and entertainment starts. So answering your question - Yes it is. |
Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.15 13:00:17 -
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Kaalatas gets banned on purpouse,
Every other character is fabricating the rest of the story, player donations rool in to the victim.
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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2015.06.15 16:57:37 -
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The Slayer wrote:Hell now that I'm thinking of it :
IMO the most successful (in terms of capturing the feeling of EVE at least) ads for the game was the recent one containing teamspeak recordings. So is CCP saying "we're happy for teamspeak to be released from our players, but only if its people being HAPPY"?
Its fine if its for an advert but not if its for entertainment?
Falcon said to knock off the trolling. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
2322
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Posted - 2015.06.15 17:23:52 -
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Posting in a 'use the word Erotica1 to trigger click bait' thread.
Would you like to know more?
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3002
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Posted - 2015.06.15 18:13:46 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Martin Corwin wrote:Recording these private conversations and releasing them on a public accessible place like Soundcloud crosses the line for me 100%. I hope these douchebags get banned ASAP. Thats not against the EULA though though. ... Brb im posting what you just said on reddit for all to read and mock
Well, that might be fine, but there might be an actual legal issue here.
Disclaimer: IANAL
However, I do take alot of pictures usually street pictures (street art and stuff going on as I go about my day). I'll also take video. So I have familiarized myself with my rights and the laws around things like photography and taking videos in public.
The basic rule is: in public the other person has no valid expectation of privacy and therefore pictures and videos are totally legit.
If, however, there is even a partial expectation of privacy then you are on shaky ground (for example, a public restroom affords at least some degree of privacy so taking pictures in there will almost surely get you into trouble).
As for voice recordings, that is often illegal if you do not do it without the consent of the other party and they have an expectation of privacy--e.g. they are on the phone in their house or somewhere they cannot be over-heard. This is why when you call your bank, insurance company, or just about any business they'll have that disclaimer that the conversation might be recorded for quality assurance purposes. If you call your insurance company about say a car accident and you have to give an official statement they will be very much more clear that you are being recorded and will only do so once you have explicitly given your permission.
Now, I have not listened to the sound clouds, but if there were no such disclaimers then technically there could be a legal issue here around wire tapping. Maybe. It all depends on the expectations of privacy the victim of the scam had (legally speaking, not his own personal feelings).
What does this have to do with picture taking/videos in public? Videos also record sound and there have been people (wrongfully) arrested for wire tapping when taking videos (usually of police officers). Which is why I have some familiarity with wire tapping laws.
But again, IANAL. Although if I were CCP I'd run this past the legal department if it has not been done so yet. Especially with the link on their forums and that if the guy did decide to pursue this legally then he'd likely have to go through CCP.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
194
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Posted - 2015.06.15 18:28:41 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Martin Corwin wrote:Recording these private conversations and releasing them on a public accessible place like Soundcloud crosses the line for me 100%. I hope these douchebags get banned ASAP. Thats not against the EULA though though. ... Brb im posting what you just said on reddit for all to read and mock Well, that might be fine, but there might be an actual legal issue here. Disclaimer: IANAL However, I do take alot of pictures usually street pictures (street art and stuff going on as I go about my day). I'll also take video. So I have familiarized myself with my rights and the laws around things like photography and taking videos in public. The basic rule is: in public the other person has no valid expectation of privacy and therefore pictures and videos are totally legit. If, however, there is even a partial expectation of privacy then you are on shaky ground (for example, a public restroom affords at least some degree of privacy so taking pictures in there will almost surely get you into trouble). As for voice recordings, that is often illegal if you do not do it without the consent of the other party and they have an expectation of privacy--e.g. they are on the phone in their house or somewhere they cannot be over-heard. This is why when you call your bank, insurance company, or just about any business they'll have that disclaimer that the conversation might be recorded for quality assurance purposes. If you call your insurance company about say a car accident and you have to give an official statement they will be very much more clear that you are being recorded and will only do so once you have explicitly given your permission. Now, I have not listened to the sound clouds, but if there were no such disclaimers then technically there could be a legal issue here around wire tapping. Maybe. It all depends on the expectations of privacy the victim of the scam had (legally speaking, not his own personal feelings). What does this have to do with picture taking/videos in public? Videos also record sound and there have been people (wrongfully) arrested for wire tapping when taking videos (usually of police officers). Which is why I have some familiarity with wire tapping laws. But again, IANAL. Although if I were CCP I'd run this past the legal department if it has not been done so yet. Especially with the link on their forums and that if the guy did decide to pursue this legally then he'd likely have to go through CCP. If you join a voice conversation over the internet through software with several other people. You have zero expectation of privacy.
The software is also saving the VoIP voice into data of 1s and 0s.
So by your account, sue Teamspeak?
I am also sure that teamspeaks lengthy EULA and ToS says what you say over their program aint private.
You seriously are enterimg a chatroom with other people.
That aint private.
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.06.15 18:42:32 -
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If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.06.15 18:52:48 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. These types of posts, are the reason I read these types of threads. It's the icing on top of the comedy gold cake.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1126
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Posted - 2015.06.15 19:20:49 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. Why? Is everyone there unable to separate reality from a computer game?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.06.15 19:35:16 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. Why? Is everyone there unable to separate reality from a computer game?
I bet they would find some part from law where they could calculate how much that isk is in RL money, as in price of PLEX/subscription.
It has happened here before if i remember correctly, case of "Happo Hotelli" (Acid Hotel, Sim-Life style mmo), Finnish mmo game where some kid stole from other kid some assets in game. Big news way back then... |
Schmantoo
I Really Hate You Guys
0
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Posted - 2015.06.15 19:58:24 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I Also he kind of deserved it for listening to Rap music.
I like you.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3003
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:16:10 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: If you join a voice conversation over the internet through software with several other people. You have zero expectation of privacy.
I don't think this is necessarily true. For example, people can have confidential conference calls for say business purposes. In the U.S. many states have one party consent, but not all of them do and if one person is in an all party consent state it gets dicey. How it is in other countries probably varies. For example Finland appears to be one party consent, whereas Germany is an all part consent. In the U.K. it appears to be more....complicated. There, it is largely one party, but if you release it like was done here...there might be a problem.
Quote:The software is also saving the VoIP voice into data of 1s and 0s.
So by your account, sue Teamspeak?
No, no more than you'd sue the person who makes recording equipment for recording phone calls. You'd sue the person who takes the illegal action.
Quote:I am also sure that teamspeaks lengthy EULA and ToS says what you say over their program aint private.
It is possible, but then that opens up a whole messy can of worms.
Quote:You seriously are enterimg a chatroom with other people.
A private meeting between two or more people is still private. In fact, if two people are in public, but are taking pains so that their conversation is not overheard, then if you use an electronic device to record them without their knowledge and thus their consent you'd probably be in some trouble (if caught). How is TS any different?
Basically, technology has moved ahead of the law here so it is a grey area. Maybe TS or whatever has a ToS/EULA that does say you have no right to privacy, but how is that all that much different than most other forms of electronic communication? Because it is over the internet? What about cell phones?
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
244
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:20:43 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:bla
Once again the argument dance starts. Talking on the street / teamspeak can be listened to, but recording and publishing it is something different.
Even if the talks werent privat, the guy could fairly assume a discussion between friends. Thats ONE point. Others listening. On the street and in teamspeak you see listeners.
But not only that, the talks have been recorded without his consent and published, thats TWO.
Constructing excuses about the cruel world and EULAs is pathetic. As long as it is not something like Watergate, private talks are private, even if they would talk on New York Times square.
EDIT: Whats the point? EvE is dying because the most pathetic stunts might get you a ban? Just don't do pathetic stunts.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
244
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:34:31 -
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How ironic: How some kind of criminals who violate some rules, desperatly try to pull out more rules to protect themselfes from retaliation and "unfair" treatment.
"Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time."
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1126
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:41:07 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. Why? Is everyone there unable to separate reality from a computer game? I bet they would find some part from law where they could calculate how much that isk is in RL money, as in price of PLEX/subscription. It has happened here before if i remember correctly, case of "Happo Hotelli" (Acid Hotel, Sim-Life style mmo), Finnish mmo game where some kid stole from other kid some assets in game. Big news way back then... I once held Finland in high regards, but now that I know that they can't differentiate between internet space pixel money and real money I have to think about that again.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Mag's
the united
19588
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:03:19 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:If CCP servers were in Finland, that scammer would be hitted heavy by justice system, scammer would be accused of fraud. Why? Is everyone there unable to separate reality from a computer game? I bet they would find some part from law where they could calculate how much that isk is in RL money, as in price of PLEX/subscription. It has happened here before if i remember correctly, case of "Happo Hotelli" (Acid Hotel, Sim-Life style mmo), Finnish mmo game where some kid stole from other kid some assets in game. Big news way back then... Now I can laugh at you.
That case was about false websites gaining login and account details, therefore it fell under the fraud laws. Just as it would everywhere else.
Quote:The Finnish company Sulake, which owns Habbo Hotel subsequently identified several hundred more users who appeared to have been targeted, according to DS Levonen.
The online thieves allegedly targeted users with fake web pages to capture usernames and passwords, in what is commonly known as an online "phishing" scam. Maybe a little reading and comprehension, before posting next time.
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:11:26 -
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Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too.
Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:15:16 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Well you got it completely wrong and then missed the sarcasm from other posters.
Reading and comprehension, isn't your strong suit I guess.
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:16:30 -
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Mag's wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Well you got it completely wrong and then missed the sarcasm from other posters. Reading and comprehension, isn't your strong suit I guess.
And I guess understanding TZ-¦s is not one of yours. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1128
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:19:06 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Hey, it was you who sold them as idiots. So do you agree that your initial statement was nonsense, Finnish people are not idiots and that no one will get legal problems for stealing internet space pixel money, even in Finland?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:22:57 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Hey, it was you who sold them as idiots. So do you agree that your initial statement was nonsense, Finnish people are not idiots and that no one will get legal problems for stealing internet space pixel money, even in Finland?
I would start thinking about your own free education, healthcare, payment from each baby every month 17 years (+generous welfare benefits, about 1000 euro month, depending on rent), before i would start to criticize our laws.
I assume with 99% certainty that you are not from rest of Scandinavia, Swiss, or even from Canada... |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1129
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:38:21 -
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0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Hey, it was you who sold them as idiots. So do you agree that your initial statement was nonsense, Finnish people are not idiots and that no one will get legal problems for stealing internet space pixel money, even in Finland? I would start thinking about your own free education, healthcare, payment from each baby every month 17 years (+generous welfare benefits, about 1000 euro month, depending on rent), before i would start to criticize our laws. I assume with 99% certainty that you are not from rest of Scandinavia, Swiss, or even from Canada... My friend, your assumptions are as bad as your space lawyering. I am from one of this countries, I will not tell you from which one, but I give you a hint: We have everything you have in a better version + a real democracy. Take your guess.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
331
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:40:06 -
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I thought Erotica1 bonus room went too far, but this seems nothing like it. A long con that didn't even upset the mark that much ("I can earn it back with 400M/hour incursions, etc.").
I feel more pity for the CEO who had his corp stolen in the beginning, and the other players who were recruited to join the corp to enable the ruse.
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:40:46 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:0bama Barack ******* wrote:Yeah as I said it happened long ago, I did not pay much attention on it and said "if I remember correct", too. Funny how some people were already judging Finland over that, guess they just can-¦t find any faults in our socialist paradise Hey, it was you who sold them as idiots. So do you agree that your initial statement was nonsense, Finnish people are not idiots and that no one will get legal problems for stealing internet space pixel money, even in Finland? I would start thinking about your own free education, healthcare, payment from each baby every month 17 years (+generous welfare benefits, about 1000 euro month, depending on rent), before i would start to criticize our laws. I assume with 99% certainty that you are not from rest of Scandinavia, Swiss, or even from Canada... My friend, your assumptions are as bad as your space lawyering. I am from one of this countries, I will not tell you from which one, but I give you a hint: We have everything you have in a better version + a real democracy. Take your guess.
Obviously your education about Finland is still lacking...
Or is it media about our latest elections?
EDIT: and i bet you are Swiss (my guess, as you brag about democracy there like a French)...
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