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Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.07.27 14:16:22 -
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No, that is not why links were created and it shows just how bad things have gotten when someone tries to tell me with a straight face that links were created to 1v10 successfully.
Read the description on the command ships. They are designed to buff FLEETS in FLEET engagements. This was before t3 cruisers came along.
Now everyone keeps their cloaking t3c alt in system in a safe, pos, or station undock because why not? It's easy to get cloaky ships through gates so you can safely take your command alt anywhere your main goes now.
This is NOT the intended design for links, and frankly it's sad that you think you should be given the option to do things other pilots can't because you purchased an extra account. People like yourself who want cash for ccp to equate to more kills for you are the reason this has gotten so bad. I suggest growing a pair and hunting a limited engagement profile while scouting on your own or ACTUALLY having a fleet like everyone else does. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1482
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:24:56 -
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Legatus1982 wrote: Large scale battles are the intended use of links. Showing an example of them performing their intended role isn't really an indication of the problem
That was what would be considered a medium sized fight. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
663
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Posted - 2015.07.27 20:59:58 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:No, that is not why links were created and it shows just how bad things have gotten when someone tries to tell me with a straight face that links were created to 1v10 successfully.
Read the description on the command ships. They are designed to buff FLEETS in FLEET engagements. This was before t3 cruisers came along.
Now everyone keeps their cloaking t3c alt in system in a safe, pos, or station undock because why not? It's easy to get cloaky ships through gates so you can safely take your command alt anywhere your main goes now.
This is NOT the intended design for links, and frankly it's sad that you think you should be given the option to do things other pilots can't because you purchased an extra account. People like yourself who want cash for ccp to equate to more kills for you are the reason this has gotten so bad. I suggest growing a pair and hunting a limited engagement profile while scouting on your own or ACTUALLY having a fleet like everyone else does.
What is your definition of a fleet? A fleet is a group of ships under one commander. More than one ship is a fleet. Can you whine more please? |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:42:42 -
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Yes now we're going to pretend we don't know what is meant when someone says fleet and large scale battle. Read the description of the command ships. That is the intended use of links, not 1v10 with your cloaky t3 alt.
First it's the poster who uses an alt, then it's their kill board, then it's everyone but a few players who all have multiple accounts, then it's the semantics of what fleet means. It's obvious at this point that I am arguing with children.
P2w is bad for the game. Deal with it. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1482
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:37:11 -
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Agreed, and if eve ever becomes pay to win it would be a bad thing. |
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:19:42 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:Your ego is inflated a little bit too high buddy. You're not a special snowflake who knows better than everyone else.
mind the traffic, that's a two-way street.
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Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
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Posted - 2015.07.29 12:00:18 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:a few players who all have multiple accounts
All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.
[17:34:53] LucyCallagan > Respectez mon Eliterie je vous prie !
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Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
12
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:01:02 -
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Lucy Callagan wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:a few players who all have multiple accounts All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.
Link me proof of such a claim and you can have all my stuff when I cancel sub. Standing offer to anyone. Most likely this is a bullshit claim or you are a player who flies with like minded people who also don't mind paying more than they should have to, which is not indicative of any majority whatsoever. |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
12
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:22:34 -
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Plato Forko wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:Your ego is inflated a little bit too high buddy. You're not a special snowflake who knows better than everyone else. mind the traffic, that's a two-way street.
The difference here being I'm not the one telling everyone I know better than them and they are all ignorant. See how that works? Some of us are here arguing a well backed case for the sake of the game and others are trolling about how "git links nub" |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
550
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:44:38 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:That really says more about you than the way links are used.
Oh don't make me laugh. Nobody buys links to buff their griffin.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
550
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:47:40 -
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Lucy Callagan wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:a few players who all have multiple accounts All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do.
You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.
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Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:24:36 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Lucy Callagan wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:a few players who all have multiple accounts All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do. You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.
Ya and even then I doubt he'd make that much with targets largely avoiding the gate and scouting properly when it actually matters, plus having to split the loot several ways. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
664
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Posted - 2015.07.29 21:01:35 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Lucy Callagan wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:a few players who all have multiple accounts All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do. You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe. Ya and even then I doubt he'd make that much with targets largely avoiding the gate and scouting properly when it actually matters, plus having to split the loot several ways.
I can make 900M isk in a week. It's called the market. Learn how to play the EVE market and you don't have to grind for isk, and the isk that flows into your coffers makes mission/exploration/mining isk pale in comparison. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
552
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:35:09 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Lucy Callagan wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:a few players who all have multiple accounts All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do. You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe. Ya and even then I doubt he'd make that much with targets largely avoiding the gate and scouting properly when it actually matters, plus having to split the loot several ways. I can make 900M isk in a week. It's called the market. Learn how to play the EVE market and you don't have to grind for isk, and the isk that flows into your coffers makes mission/exploration/mining isk pale in comparison.
.01 games don't appeal to me. I'd rather shoot red chevrons, frankly.
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Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
25
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Posted - 2015.07.30 00:59:57 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Lucy Callagan wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:a few players who all have multiple accounts All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do. You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.
Making 1b worth of loot in one month isn't hard at all: for instance This one (1.6b) paid July and will pay a part of august : https://zkillboard.com/br/44286/
Those one paid for June : https://zkillboard.com/kill/47410293/ (ninja'd 400m) https://zkillboard.com/kill/47212719/ (ninja'd 500m) https://zkillboard.com/kill/47212810/ (ninja'd 120m)
And i don't gate camp.
Need more examples ?
[17:34:53] LucyCallagan > Respectez mon Eliterie je vous prie !
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
163
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Posted - 2015.07.30 10:00:40 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Lucy Callagan wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:a few players who all have multiple accounts All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do. You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe.
This is entirely possible. Not easy per say but i could definitely fund another account with a good month of PvP. |
Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
25
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Posted - 2015.07.30 10:04:09 -
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Switch Savage wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Lucy Callagan wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:a few players who all have multiple accounts All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do. You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe. This is entirely possible. Not easy per say but i could definitely fund another account with a good month of PvP.
+ i got a friend who does solo blops, he make 8 to 10 b a month.
[17:34:53] LucyCallagan > Respectez mon Eliterie je vous prie !
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Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
12
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Posted - 2015.07.30 16:09:56 -
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I'm glad you are doing well for yourself in pvp but this is far removed from the average pvp experience. And I'm certain you are well aware of that. |
Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
167
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Posted - 2015.07.30 16:27:26 -
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I have no problems getting good kills solo without a link alt. Its harder without one sure but its never put me in a situation where i did not feel competitive. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1266
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Posted - 2015.07.30 16:33:49 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:That really says more about you than the way links are used.
Once on grid boosting is mandatory - I'm going to savor popping your new falcon alt. The future looks delicious and you're falcon alt is on the menu! |
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
553
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Posted - 2015.07.30 19:44:53 -
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Lucy Callagan wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Lucy Callagan wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:a few players who all have multiple accounts All the people I know have at least two accounts. I got a secondary account that I pay with my pvp loot, that's not a super hard thing to do. You're clearing enough in loot to drop 900M a month on PLEX? Yea, I'm calling BS. You can do that but not consistently, unless your "pvp" consists of being in a group that religiously gatecamps a high traffic pipe. Making 1b worth of loot in one month isn't hard at all: for instance This one (1.6b) paid July and will pay a part of august : https://zkillboard.com/br/44286/ Those one paid for June : https://zkillboard.com/kill/47410293/ (ninja'd 400m) https://zkillboard.com/kill/47212719/ (ninja'd 500m) https://zkillboard.com/kill/47212810/ (ninja'd 120m) And i don't gate camp. Need more examples ?
15-20 people on the killmails and they let you have all the loot? That's a sweet gig, where do I sign up?
How does your friend the solo BLOPser tackle his targets? Band of alts =/= solo.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1486
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Posted - 2015.07.30 19:56:46 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:That really says more about you than the way links are used. Once on grid boosting is mandatory - I'm going to savor popping your new falcon alt. The future looks delicious and you're falcon alt is on the menu!
Which falcon alt? |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
553
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Posted - 2015.07.30 20:08:33 -
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Switch Savage wrote:I have no problems getting good kills solo without a link alt. Its harder without one sure but its never put me in a situation where i did not feel competitive.
How do you compete against a linked faction frigate without your own links, or just avoiding them?
Additional barrier to entry to solo/small gang pvp which requires paying a second account and in many cases spending a considerable amount of money on a booster alt - this is not good for the game. Anyone who enjoys solo and small gang action should recognize this trend for the CANCER that it is.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
553
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Posted - 2015.07.30 20:28:30 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:That really says more about you than the way links are used. Once on grid boosting is mandatory - I'm going to savor popping your new falcon alt. The future looks delicious and you're falcon alt is on the menu! Which falcon alt?
The one that every link user claims they will switch back to if links are brought on-grid.
Literally every thread.
"If you take muh links, I'll just go back to using a Falcon, so ha!"
Never mind that shows on killmails, can't enter novice or small plexes and is at much greater risk of being ganked.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1486
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Posted - 2015.07.30 20:41:07 -
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No no, i mean which of my falcon alts does he intend to kill? |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.07.30 20:42:12 -
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Switch Savage wrote:I have no problems getting good kills solo without a link alt. Its harder without one sure but its never put me in a situation where i did not feel competitive.
I don't have that problem either. It's completely beside the point. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
553
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Posted - 2015.07.30 20:43:13 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:No no, i mean which of my falcon alts does he intend to kill? All of them I imagine, seeing as they'll have to be on grid and can't run away at 10k m/s.
Maybe you can use them to protect an on-grid booster?
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1486
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Posted - 2015.07.30 20:57:22 -
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I guess since he will bring a blob to kill them that means quality pvp will be had by all.
God forbid someone actually uses probes to solve the problem for themselves. Or solve any problem for that matter lol. |
Arla Sarain
572
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Posted - 2015.07.30 21:37:22 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:I guess since he will bring a blob to kill them that means quality pvp will be had by all.
God forbid someone actually uses probes to solve the problem for themselves. Or solve any problem for that matter lol. So, do they multi-task between two accs? And is this during a fight or not?
And once they actually get a probe hit do you stay in a fight? Would you even commit to a fight? I suppose no to both, in which case what problem does it fix? Because there is no encounter worth bothering over.
You can't possibly argue that the individual opponent should scan you down, hopping between two accs during an actual fight... |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
553
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Posted - 2015.07.30 21:49:29 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:I guess since he will bring a blob to kill them that means quality pvp will be had by all.
God forbid someone actually uses probes to solve the problem for themselves. Or solve any problem for that matter lol.
You kick off the N+1 contest with your links, except your +1 is hidden an arguably more useful given your play style than having a second pilot on grid. You can't simultaneously argue for links being not cancer because they can be countered by blobbing, then complain about blobbing.
This game revolves around blobbing, except for a few players with e-honor. The only reason solo links are ever viable against a blob is because the blob is BRAVE or an FW rookie corp too dumb to send a team after your links.
Links are cancer. You know it, I know it.
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