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Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:12:00 - [1] Right, unfortunately the test i made was not rig/implant free. so iam gonna share with you what i had on it. This was done with all the missiles at LVL5 including HAM Specialization. there is also a 10% ROF and a 10% Missile damage RIG on the ship. A Whelan 5% Missiles ROF implant and a 5% Missile Velocity Implant. I Also Fitted 4 BCU T2, wish i will not normally use. i got with 3 most of the time. The result Linkage As you can see MAX range Achieved is 239KM Explosion Radius: 125m Explosion Velocity: 1125m/s So its completely worthless VS Small ships, and if a cruiser goes around 2000/s its perfectly safe. DPS: 369/s Kenetic: 460/s Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
maarud Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:16:00 - [2] How is it worthless vs small ships? So you won't insta pop a frig, boo hoo, you'll still be doing reduced dmg vs them, as you should be. And how many cruisers go over 2000m/s? The vaga and... and again, you'll still be dmg against the vaga, just not full dmg. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:25:00 - [3] Originally by: maarud How is it worthless vs small ships? So you won't insta pop a frig, boo hoo, you'll still be doing reduced dmg vs them, as you should be. And how many cruisers go over 2000m/s? The vaga and... and again, you'll still be dmg against the vaga, just not full dmg. dont boo hoo me before you understand what this posts is all about, this post is me sharing some info for those there Cerb pilots out there, iam not requesting any changes, iam just giving stats. 1125m/s = 2250m/s you will hit for 0.0 dmg, or maybe 0.1 msot frigates go over 2250m/s because most frigates fit MWD, unless its a Assault frig. also frigates happen to have a very small sig radius. 37-40, so you got speed and size factor. yes they are worth less against Frigate you may get to kill the odd frig not moving or AFK. NOW go boo hoo someone else. Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:29:00 - [4] Hey rox, no offense, but I don't trust your figures with anything Caldari related as being true.
maarud Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Roxanna Kell stuff ANY frig that has a mwd has its sig radius increased... ALOT. So you will do dmg vs a ceptor with mwd active. If it doesn't have one active.... well, it's not going 1150m/s+ is it now? If you can do dmg vs a ceptor, you can do more dmg vs any other frig. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:45:00 - [6] If the info you have given is true then the DPS is ridiculously low. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
maarud Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:45:00 - [7] Example: Crusader has a 32m sig, with lvl 4 in ceptor that is reduced to 25.6, then slap on a coldgasarcthingum mwd and it hops 550% to 160 or there abouts... thats bigger than a thorax's sig radius. So, it's just gonna get a dmg reduction from it's speed, but it will do dmg. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:47:00 - [8] Originally by: maarud more stuff Quote: you know a ceptor that goes slower than 2250m/s? yes there will be some dmg, but not enough to kill it, anyhow this is a long range set up to kill big ships. shooting with a hac from 230 is something, the eagle can do it, and its really good against frigs, but Cerb will have more DPS. well, actually once SISI is back up i need to retest without the implants and rigs. Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Herculite Hey rox, no offense, but I don't trust your figures with anything Caldari related as being true. actually HAMS are broken on SISI right now, i hope thats not the real DPS, but its more for a long range missile, people will get seriously **ed off. lets wait and see. Quote:** "Don't touch the RED butt
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:50:00 - [10] Originally by: maarud Example: Crusader has a 32m sig, with lvl 4 in ceptor that is reduced to 25.6, then slap on a coldgasarcthingum mwd and it hops 550% to 160 or there abouts... thats bigger than a thorax's sig radius. So, it's just gonna get a dmg reduction from it's speed, but it will do dmg. True: in particular it will be 0.1 dmg at 3.5km/s it will be doing at least for a whoping 0.217DPS... true pownage. Stop posting you troll. Cerbs can kill frigs with heavy precisions. The OP is just telling us what we can do with HAMs and clarifying "dont use them v mwd-ing anything". These missles will even hit a nano-phoon for 0.217 DPS... go hide in your hole this isnt a balancing thread its info for Cerb pilots on what they can expect with Revelations as stated. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.

maarud Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Roxanna Kell stuff Omg, I just noticed you are using javelins and you are *****ing about hitting ceptors... Javelins for BC's/Cruisers Precision for frigs/ceptors k? Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
maarud Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Crellion Originally by: maarud Example: Crusader has a 32m sig, with lvl 4 in ceptor that is reduced to 25.6, then slap on a coldgasarcthingum mwd and it hops 550% to 160 or there abouts... thats bigger than a thorax's sig radius. So, it's just gonna get a dmg reduction from it's speed, but it will do dmg. True: in particular it will be 0.1 dmg at 3.5km/s it will be doing at least for a whoping 0.217DPS... true pownage. Stop posting you troll. Cerbs can kill frigs with heavy precisions. The OP is just telling us what we can do with HAMs and clarifying "dont use them v mwd-ing anything". These missles will even hit a nano-phoon for 0.217 DPS... go hide in your hole this isnt a balancing thread its info for Cerb pilots on what they can expect with Revelations as stated. Why are you moaning about hitting fasting moving ships with javelins tho? You just stated, very clearly, that precisions are for that. So it's a moot point. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.22 18:21:00 - [13] Originally by: maarud Originally by: Roxanna Kell stuff Omg, I just noticed you are using javelins and you are ***ing about hitting ceptors... Javelins for BC's/Cruisers Precision for frigs/ceptors k? exactly, i just said that it will be useless against frigs, so don't use it, it wasn't moaning, it was a statement because its true. now go P off somewhere else. never had i meet someone as annoying as you are. Quote:** "Don't touch the RED butt
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.22 19:40:00 - [14] So let's see... 400 dps... on a cruiser.. at 240 km? Weren't HAMs supposed to be short range? I guess that's short range for caldari people too. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. sigh
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:00:00 - [15] Ham, while a delicious substance, makes me sad when a javelin is put through it. A short range missile that goes farther than cruise missiles... ---------------------------- Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected]) I tried?
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.22 21:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Nicocat Ham, while a delicious substance, makes me sad when a javelin is put through it. A short range missile that goes farther than cruise missiles... cruise missiles go further, like 250km with max skills that is, the test i did was with max skills, with a velocity implant. Originally by: Isyel So let's see... 400 dps... on a cruiser.. at 240 km? Weren't HAMs supposed to be short range? I guess that's short range for caldari people too. less than that, lol i had 2 rigs on that ship, and 4 BCU 2, and a 5% rof implant in my head, jees. Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
ElCoCo KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.22 22:17:00 - [17] Max range 239 km? Isn't that a bit too much for "close range" missiles? (even if you take into account flying that cerb with lvl5 skills and implant)
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.22 22:36:00 - [18] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 22/11/2006 22:37:36 Originally by: ElCoCo Max range 239 km? Isn't that a bit too much for "close range" missiles? (even if you take into account flying that cerb with lvl5 skills and implant) those were T2 missiles Javelins, they do less damage, and have are useless for anything going faster than 2250km/s and no the range with max skills is around 226km, i had 5% velocity implant wish boosted that, besides, your target will have plenty of time to run away unless he was scrambled and all. Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
ElCoCo KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.22 22:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: ElCoCo Max range 239 km? Isn't that a bit too much for "close range" missiles? (even if you take into account flying that cerb with lvl5 skills and implant) thsoe were T2 missiles Javlins, they do less damage, and have are useless for anythign going faster than 2250km/s Ok so I see they are the long range ones. (sorry, confused cause javelin is short range railgun ammo) I see where you're going at.... You recon they should have the same base explosion velocity like heavy and cruise precisions?( 1000m/sec)
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.22 23:22:00 - [20] Originally by: ElCoCo Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: ElCoCo Max range 239 km? Isn't that a bit too much for "close range" missiles? (even if you take into account flying that cerb with lvl5 skills and implant) thsoe were T2 missiles Javlins, they do less damage, and have are useless for anythign going faster than 2250km/s Ok so I see they are the long range ones. (sorry, confused cause javelin is short range railgun ammo) I see where you're going at.... You recon they should have the same base explosion velocity like heavy and cruise precisions?( 1000m/sec) ATM they are broken, those stats arent final, we ll see when they fix it, atm iam happy with it. Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt

ventavoox	Posted - 2006.11.23 00:09:00 - [21] Uhm, aren't HEAVY assualt missiles supposed to be used against bigger, HEAVIER ships? So, what're Assualt launchers for? If you want to hit a frigate, fit to hit for a frigate, if you want to hit Bruisers, cruisers, battleships - etc, etc then fit to hit them. Also, i assure you there isn't a cruiser that isn't a vagabond (which in all honesty has the right to) that won't reach up to 2,000km and the ones that do are only trying to get in range, aided their sig radius is alot larger then a frigate so hitting a deimos on it's way to your cerb won't be at all hard. Again, you have a launcher that spews medium sized munition's out at an outstanding rate (as you've so boldly demonstrated) that can terrorize larger ship's at insane distances, please, cry more.
Parallax Error Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.23 00:21:00 - [22] You can out damage a Zealot from 15 to 239 km, I should sodding well hope that you cant hit frigates as well.
Mortimer Zorg Caldari Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.23 01:06:00 - [23] Seems like many ppl need to take a cool pill and go to sleep as stated this isent a post for buffing hams it just makes few things really clear and that is dont stick javelin hams on cerb for sniping eagle does it better
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.11.23 05:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Mortimer Zorg Seems like many ppl need to take a cool pill and go to sleep as stated this isent a post for buffing hams it just makes few things really clear and that is dont stick javelin hams on cerb for sniping eagle does it better Give eagle one more turret hard point please, oh the moa, and ferox could use one also.
velocoraptor Gallente Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.23 10:55:00 - [25] Can't say I'm a specialist on missiles , I think those HAM's (no eggs pls), should have a max range of, say, 30km's (maybe on specialized ships that could go up to 50km or something) and do very good dmg (close, but of course not TOO close to, ION blasters).
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:04:00 - [26] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/11/2006 11:05:27 Well, no cruiser can go at 2000 m/s in a normal setup and still do damage, so there is no risk then. Just pointing that out since everytime I read about the Vaga, people tend to assume the Vaga can fight at that speed. It cant. But its excellent for running away. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Roxanna Kell 1125m/s = 2250m/s you will hit for 0.0 dmg, or maybe 0.1 I am quite the noob for missle damage mechanics, but.. The tool in the "official" missilee guide gives me for an exp velocity of 1120 and a target velocity of 2260 a damage reduction of 44%. Which should leave quite a bit more than 0.1 dmg. Is the guide wrong or am I missing something here?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Aramendel Is the guide wrong or am I missing something here? You fail to take into account that some players see no shame in exaggerating. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Nadec Ascand Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:45:00 - [29] who care targeting an interrcerptor at this range is silly anyhow. Ur missiles will just have to travel 25sec to reach him... And then as many stated if he use MWD he get sig increase. In that case u will more have to fear an interceptor with AB T2 or gistii one. Anyhow instead of putting 1 tank why dont u just put in a target painter... I see no pb here and mroe than that... I see no need of using heavy missiles if ham reach that far. Just a trik... if u are in cerb and fitting T2 just put in precision heavy and watch the interceptor trust me its fun
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Jim McGregor You fail to take into account that some players see no shame in exaggerating. A pity. I tinkered together a pretty nice turret immunity speed setup for the curse for kali and was hoping for missile immunity, too.



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