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Moyra Rumsfeld
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:05:00 -
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Hi, i made quite a lot of battles and battelship 1v1s on testerver and really, the gallents defenitely needs to be nerved. That close-combat ships (Megathon with blasters) have too high dps, they kill any other ship too fast - and their big dronebays allows them to fit nosferatus as main weapons, jam and suck the enemy empty of cap so that the enemy even cant run hardeners, while killing him with the drones. It's not fair that most races have only their high-slots as weapons and a little drone capability, while gallentes can have a lot of drons AND primary weapons on highslots or that nosferatu-madness, while drones doing the damage. This is by far not balanced, they desperatly need to be nerved !!
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Thornspawn Chalice
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:14:00 -
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megathron with blasters as primary weapon and many nosferatu in high slot and ALOT OF DRONES [5! so much..!!] !!! this is ridicolous
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente The Underground
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Almasy on 23/11/2006 19:20:57 look at blaster range, really short, you can easily stay out of that if you know what your doing, if they use best blasters they have almost no tank and their not a drone boat so mainly only one drone wave. if they get you in their range kiss your a$$ goodbye same with alot of gall ships we have short range but he throw one hel| of a punch to make it worth it, aka Thorax( i think 500DPS), brutix(i think 900DPS) and megathron(I think 1300DPS).
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Kaden Seer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:20:00 -
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omg learn to play!
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:29:00 -
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He is my alt btw...
No not really.
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Zacheria Malfor
Gallente FightClub TQ
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Posted - 2006.11.23 20:04:00 -
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Please take some time to actually construct a balanced argument before asking for a nerf on something.
The gallente make alot of sacrafices to get that high dps and with drones please bare in mind the majority of ships in the game receive a drone bay so it's up to the pilot to train those drone skills to make the most of it.
Part of me hopes this is a joke, otherwise I pity you.
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Quilan Ziller
Gallente Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.24 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Moyra Rumsfeld Hi, i made quite a lot of battles and battelship 1v1s on testerver and really, the gallents defenitely needs to be nerved. That close-combat ships (Megathon with blasters) have too high dps, they kill any other ship too fast - and their big dronebays allows them to fit nosferatus as main weapons, jam and suck the enemy empty of cap so that the enemy even cant run hardeners, while killing him with the drones. It's not fair that most races have only their high-slots as weapons and a little drone capability, while gallentes can have a lot of drons AND primary weapons on highslots or that nosferatu-madness, while drones doing the damage. This is by far not balanced, they desperatly need to be nerved !!
So... Engage them at range? Most Gallente ships are short range blaster/drone ships. They are supposed to be good at close range. All of them are also useless at over 20 km (every single one - except the rail Mega). Just deal with it. Sheesh.
______________________________________________________________ Of course the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you--if you don't play, you can't win. - Robert Heinlein |
xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.24 02:00:00 -
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Gallante ships are fine being able to solo multi-ships for the other races is just fine.
If anything gallante are underpowered. ---
"Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
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Abyss Jack
Serial Chill3rz
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Posted - 2006.11.24 02:32:00 -
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dunno if you remember, but gallente was the worst race the first 2 years. Let em have 5sec of fame pls...
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Centurin
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.24 02:55:00 -
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Gallente is already getting nerfed in Kali. Nerf them anymore and they'll end up as bad as Amarr. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime |
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Obsidian Hawk
Gallente Statler and Waldorf
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Posted - 2006.11.24 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 24/11/2006 02:57:24 ummm. Gallente ships dont need a nerf.
oh yeah and its nerfed. not nerved....... learn to spell.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.24 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Thornspawn Chalice megathron with blasters as primary weapon and many nosferatu in high slot and ALOT OF DRONES [5! so much..!!] !!! this is ridicolous
OK, let me get this straight... You have a megathron setup that uses blasters as primary weapons, but has many NOS in high slots?
How "many" NOS? 4? I guess 3 or 4 is what I would call "many" NOS. So at that point blasters aren't really doing that much of the damage, are they?
So unless you have blasters that go in midslots, I would like some of what you are smoking.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Quilan Ziller
Gallente Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2006.11.24 03:40:00 -
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I have been approached by the President of the Federation today, and I have been asked to post the following in response to the pointless accusations in this thread:
Citizens of the Federation! To arms! Take out your nerfbats! Nerf Caldari! They have destroyed plenty of Federation ships with their terrible long-range weapons! Nerf Missiles! Nerf Raven! Also nerf Amarr, just because we Gallente don't like them. And Minmatar too, just to preserve balance.
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Rogerano
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Posted - 2006.11.24 05:04:00 -
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*sucks down a massive Cheech and Chong joint* The OP's arguments actually make a lot of sense now. In addition to his proposals I suggest that all Rifters have their drone bays increased to 1m3, and are remodeled after the classic 1970's VW combi-van (with the word "love" painted on the side in yellow and pink).
Srsly.
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Aphotic Raven
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Posted - 2006.11.24 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Moyra Rumsfeld Hi, i made quite a lot of battles and battelship 1v1s on testerver and really, the gallents defenitely needs to be nerved. That close-combat ships (Megathon with blasters) have too high dps, they kill any other ship too fast - and their big dronebays allows them to fit nosferatus as main weapons, jam and suck the enemy empty of cap so that the enemy even cant run hardeners, while killing him with the drones. It's not fair that most races have only their high-slots as weapons and a little drone capability, while gallentes can have a lot of drons AND primary weapons on highslots or that nosferatu-madness, while drones doing the damage. This is by far not balanced, they desperatly need to be nerved !!
YOU'RE RIGHT WE NEED TO BE NERVED. NERVED HARD. Stfu and learn to pvp.
Sadly folks with all the T_T leading up to kali i can smell a nerfbatting hanging around the domi.... =(
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Moyra Rumsfeld
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Posted - 2006.11.24 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Originally by: Thornspawn Chalice megathron with blasters as primary weapon and many nosferatu in high slot and ALOT OF DRONES [5! so much..!!] !!! this is ridicolous
OK, let me get this straight... You have a megathron setup that uses blasters as primary weapons, but has many NOS in high slots?
How "many" NOS? 4? I guess 3 or 4 is what I would call "many" NOS. So at that point blasters aren't really doing that much of the damage, are they?
So unless you have blasters that go in midslots, I would like some of what you are smoking.
Ah c'mon don't play around with words you know what i meant: either they use blasters ("blasterthorn") and do insane damage (just compare the dps to missiles !!!) or they put the highs with nosferatus, kill even the best tank and do the damage with their many drones (usually the dominix does this, with it's phat dronebay and drone bonus).
@ guy up who says keep em on range: most situation in pvp happens in closrange, for expamle if you warp of a station or a gate + those close-fighters are prepared to approach fast, its not easy to keep them at range if you are in another battelship. Just go and fight a dominix pilot who knows what he does: not a singel ship (except capitals) can beat it, simply becaus it will suck all the cap, and without hardeners (that stop to run caus no cap) it's drones (endangerd through ship-bonus) have an easy kill.
The blasterthorn must lose some dps and the dominix must lose the drone bonus, only then they will be balanced !!!!!!!
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Gaogan
Gallente Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.24 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Gaogan on 24/11/2006 07:09:59 What part of this don't you understand? Paper beats rock, scissors beats paper, rock beats scissors. You get in close with a blasterthron, you die. You don't get in close, you win. Learn to play the game and don't get in close.
If you are FOTM caldari trained and fit for long range torp damage, then don't expect to beat someone fit for short range damage and nos when you fight on their terms. Here is a hint: up close you can jam them to stop the blasters or nos, and the warp scram, then either kill them or run away! Drones got you down? Smartbomb for teh winz!
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Heelay Ashrum
Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.24 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Moyra Rumsfeld
... blasters ("blasterthorn") and do insane damage (just compare the dps to missiles !!!) ...
Ok!! Now u have definatly proved that u are an idiot. U dont need your ship fixed, u need to fix your brain: learn to play.
Let me explain how eve works: U cannot compare weapons with 2km optimal range with weapons that fire over 100km ( even more.. much more). Blasters are INTENDED to be uber at <10km simply because they are useless at >15km. A blaster pilot need to come in close range before to be able to hit u. This gap mus be counterer by hi DPS if he accoplish this task.
Stay at range ed watch him die...
p.s) Another consideration to make before consider a ship uber: count how many blastertrons and how many ravens u see around ......
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.11.24 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Originally by: Moyra Rumsfeld
... blasters ("blasterthorn") and do insane damage (just compare the dps to missiles !!!) ...
Ok!! Now u have definatly proved that u are an idiot. U dont need your ship fixed, u need to fix your brain: learn to play.
Let me explain how eve works: U cannot compare weapons with 2km optimal range with weapons that fire over 100km ( even more.. much more). Blasters are INTENDED to be uber at <10km simply because they are useless at >15km. A blaster pilot need to come in close range before to be able to hit u. This gap mus be counterer by hi DPS if he accoplish this task.
Stay at range ed watch him die...
p.s) Another consideration to make before consider a ship uber: count how many blastertrons and how many ravens u see around ......
Balance shouldn't be on range alone. Majority of fights are on gates/stations or in same warp in points. Getting in range is not a issue. Getting out of range is a issue.
Yes blasters do insane damage. Solo wise it can be countered decent. However, EVE is not a solo game anymore. I can kite a blasterboat in my matarboat. The chances of me doing that is slim to none due to the facts above. People are either on a gate or station. They either jump or dock. Either way, you're screwed out of combat. The end result is, all combat is mostly close range combat. Sniping does happen but in real pvp. Everyone has insta's and soon to be able to warp in range for free.
In short, blasterboats will be in range for free where autocannons will not. :)
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Heelay Ashrum
Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.24 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Originally by: Heelay Ashrum
Originally by: Moyra Rumsfeld
... blasters ("blasterthorn") and do insane damage (just compare the dps to missiles !!!) ...
Ok!! Now u have definatly proved that u are an idiot. U dont need your ship fixed, u need to fix your brain: learn to play.
Let me explain how eve works: U cannot compare weapons with 2km optimal range with weapons that fire over 100km ( even more.. much more). Blasters are INTENDED to be uber at <10km simply because they are useless at >15km. A blaster pilot need to come in close range before to be able to hit u. This gap mus be counterer by hi DPS if he accoplish this task.
Stay at range ed watch him die...
p.s) Another consideration to make before consider a ship uber: count how many blastertrons and how many ravens u see around ......
Balance shouldn't be on range alone. Majority of fights are on gates/stations or in same warp in points. Getting in range is not a issue. Getting out of range is a issue.
Yes blasters do insane damage. Solo wise it can be countered decent. However, EVE is not a solo game anymore. I can kite a blasterboat in my matarboat. The chances of me doing that is slim to none due to the facts above. People are either on a gate or station. They either jump or dock. Either way, you're screwed out of combat. The end result is, all combat is mostly close range combat. Sniping does happen but in real pvp. Everyone has insta's and soon to be able to warp in range for free.
In short, blasterboats will be in range for free where autocannons will not. :)
Off course it's not only a range problem, many many things sould be consideded ( tanking ability, cap problems, pvp mecanism and many many others ), but still a large weapon with 6km optimal range ( 3 with antimater). MUST be uber in favorite situation else no one will use it( still now very few people use blasters on BS ). It's true that once u have a blaster boat in range it's hard to gain distance but this because of expreme blasterboat setup. Any realistic blaster fitting need a MWD + web + scarmble + cap iniector. A ship so fitted can cap that die extremelly fast. whe key is warp and try to kill evemy fast else the mega will die. It's all but overpowered as this post tried to describe.
Considering how few people use blasters maybe blaster boat should be buffed, not nerfed. Too bad that hyperion ( the supposed blaster boat) seams worthless ...
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infraX
Caldari Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.24 09:49:00 -
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Flamebait from a trolling alt ftl.
You should expect to lose at point blank range (0-5km) to a gallente ship tbh. Expecting a ship that is effective at ranges higher than this to outperform a megathron in it's 'uber zone' is just silly.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.24 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zacheria Malfor Part of me hopes this is a joke, otherwise I pity you.
Aren't jokes supposed to be funny? - EVE is sick. |
murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.24 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Moyra Rumsfeld Hi, i made quite a lot of battles and battelship 1v1s on testerver and really, the gallents defenitely needs to be nerved. That close-combat ships (Megathon with blasters) have too high dps, they kill any other ship too fast - and their big dronebays allows them to fit nosferatus as main weapons, jam and suck the enemy empty of cap so that the enemy even cant run hardeners, while killing him with the drones. It's not fair that most races have only their high-slots as weapons and a little drone capability, while gallentes can have a lot of drons AND primary weapons on highslots or that nosferatu-madness, while drones doing the damage. This is by far not balanced, they desperatly need to be nerved !!
lol?
Because I said so...
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.11.24 13:48:00 -
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I hope this either a joke or an alt, because ...
At any rate: please go away ... -- Drone users unite! Support drone whinage |
Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.24 13:54:00 -
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lol @ this topic
gotta love posts by exclamation marks, their vast experience of PvP makes for accurate and honest assessments.
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Melicien Tetro
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Posted - 2006.11.24 14:08:00 -
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I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be ****ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ******* nerf. True story. Kidding aside.... Would you rather gallente didn't beat you up close? Because if this is true, you are a fool, sir.
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.11.24 14:11:00 -
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gallentes getting nerf ,
AF's 4th med slot,hp boost but not drone hp boost,etc.,etc.each race has their own benefits. we always fight under nos,web,scramble range becouse of short range blasters ...thats why we evolve into one of the best solo race... dont wait a balance like long sword 1d8 , battle axe 1d8 EVE doesnt work in this way.
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente Spectral Armada Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.24 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Melicien Tetro I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be ****ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ******* nerf. True story. Kidding aside.... Would you rather gallente didn't beat you up close? Because if this is true, you are a fool, sir.
You are my hero and a champion of the sensible and gallente cause.
Speaking of sharks.... if that nerf bat hovers to close to the dominix it might be tux in the sharkcage =P
Quote: Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be ****ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ******* nerf. True story
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Melicien Tetro
Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.24 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Originally by: Melicien Tetro I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be ****ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ******* nerf. True story. Kidding aside.... Would you rather gallente didn't beat you up close? Because if this is true, you are a fool, sir.
You are my hero and a champion of the sensible and gallente cause. Speaking of sharks.... if that nerf bat hovers to close to the dominix it might be tux in the sharkcage =P
I didn't mind the ecm dom getting whacked, although I flew it. But if it gets any more nerf than that, I'mma slap a ho. It's so **** slow! So **** slow. In fact, in most cases where a ship gets killed by a domi, I find that it was because they didn't try to fly away till it was too late.
I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be ****ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ******* nerf. True story.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.24 15:13:00 -
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Yes, Gallentes need nerf. Best BC, best BS, best recons, best ceptors, best drones, best carriers and dread, best industrial, best CS. Only HACs are average. --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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